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Re: NSA Chief Russia Hacked '16 Election Congress Must Inves

Postby seemslikeadream » Sat Mar 03, 2018 12:12 pm

one word

Ukraine....that ain't white collar

and why are you ignoring all the others that are co operating to save their asses from more serious crimes

what till you see Manafort plea

sounds like typical white collar crime/politician stuff to me, which is bad enough, but it's a (very) far cry from a hostile takeover of the usa by putin


that isn't what this is about...sorry you are misinformed

no way near ....typical white collar crime

no way near ....hostile takeover of the usa by putin

ORGANIZED CRIME BABY ORGANIZED CRIME


I love Hopsicker's take ...short sweet start up .....thanks rp


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ScouEH9ltWs



and check out WhoWhatWhy...they know
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this is about the trump crime family and you will not understand it if you do not read everything

do you see putties' name down there?
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Re: NSA Chief Russia Hacked '16 Election Congress Must Inves

Postby 0_0 » Sat Mar 03, 2018 12:47 pm

Well to be fair, it's very hard to know what this is all about anymore.. if you look at the topic title it has a very clear statement: Russia hacked the 2016 elections. There is still zero proof of any of that more than a year later. Are there all sorts of shady people and moneymaking schemes around Trump? Off course. Same goes for a lot of politicians sadly, and i'm not saying that isn't a worthy subject for investigation and punishment (we can always hope can't we), but let's not pretend Trump is some kind of exception in this regard. Meanwhile i think it's very hard to deny this is being used to boost a cold war agenda, to deflect from own failings and to introduce smear and censoring tactics.
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Re: NSA Chief Russia Hacked '16 Election Congress Must Inves

Postby seemslikeadream » Sat Mar 03, 2018 1:18 pm

to be fair this OP was started 1 1/2 years ago ...things progress things change....one reads everything new...one digests everything new and I said probably 50 pages ago I wish I could change the title

who made trump take all that mob money?

who put trump in that position?

who is letting a crime family run this country?

I am not ok with a crime boss with nuclear material run this country
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Re: NSA Chief Russia Hacked '16 Election Congress Must Inves

Postby seemslikeadream » Sun Mar 04, 2018 1:29 am

Mueller’s Focus on Adviser to U.A.E. Indicates Broader Inquiry

By MARK MAZZETTI, DAVID D. KIRKPATRICK and MAGGIE HABERMANMARCH 3, 2018


George Nader, an adviser to the leader of the United Arab Emirates, has been questioned in the special counsel investigation, according to people with knowledge of the discussion. via C-Span
WASHINGTON — George Nader, a Lebanese-American businessman, has hovered on the fringes of international diplomacy for three decades. He was a back-channel negotiator with Syria during the Clinton administration, reinvented himself as an adviser to the de facto ruler of the United Arab Emirates, and last year was a frequent visitor to President Trump’s White House.

Mr. Nader is now a focus of the investigation by Robert S. Mueller III, the special counsel. In recent weeks, Mr. Mueller’s investigators have questioned Mr. Nader and have pressed witnesses for information about any possible attempts by the Emiratis to buy political influence by directing money to support Mr. Trump during the presidential campaign, according to people with knowledge of the discussions.

The investigators have also asked about Mr. Nader’s role in White House policymaking, those people said, suggesting that the special counsel investigation has broadened beyond Russian election meddling to include Emirati influence on the Trump administration. The focus on Mr. Nader could also prompt an examination of how money from multiple countries has flowed through and influenced Washington during the Trump era.

How much this line of inquiry is connected to Mr. Mueller’s original task of investigating contacts between Mr. Trump’s campaign and Russia is unclear. The examination of the U.A.E. comes amid a flurry of recent activity by Mr. Mueller.

Last month, investigators negotiated a plea agreement with Rick Gates, Mr. Trump’s deputy campaign manager, and indicted 13 Russians on charges related to a scheme to incite political discord in the United States before the 2016 election.

In one example of Mr. Nader’s influential connections, which has not been previously reported, last fall he received a detailed report from a top Trump fund-raiser, Elliott Broidy, about a private meeting with the president in the Oval Office.

Mr. Broidy owns a private security company with hundreds of millions of dollars in contracts with the United Arab Emirates, and he extolled to Mr. Trump a paramilitary force that his company was developing for the country. He also lobbied the president to meet privately “in an informal setting” with the Emirates’ military commander and de facto ruler, Crown Prince Mohammed bin Zayed al-Nahyan; to back the U.A.E.’s hawkish policies in the region; and to fire Secretary of State Rex W. Tillerson.

A copy of Mr. Broidy’s memorandum about the meeting was provided to The New York Times by someone critical of the Emirati influence in Washington.

Mr. Trump has closely allied himself with the Emiratis, endorsing their strong support for the new heir to the throne in Saudi Arabia, as well as their confrontational approaches toward Iran and their neighbor Qatar. In the case of Qatar, which is the host to a major United States military base, Mr. Trump’s endorsement of an Emirati- and Saudi-led blockade against that country has put him openly at odds with his secretary of state — as well as with years of American policy.



President Trump with Crown Prince Mohammed bin Zayed al-Nahyan of Abu Dhabi at the White House last year. Al Drago for The New York Times
Mr. Nader, 58, made frequent trips to the White House during the early months of the Trump administration, meeting with Stephen K. Bannon and Jared Kushner to discuss American policy toward the Persian Gulf states in advance of Mr. Trump’s trip to Saudi Arabia in May 2017, according to people familiar with the meetings. By some accounts, it was Mr. Bannon who pushed for him to gain access to White House policymakers. Others said Mr. Kushner backed him.

Reached by phone last month, Mr. Nader said he had dinner guests and would call back. He did not, and attempts to reach him over several weeks were unsuccessful. Mr. Nader’s lawyer did not respond to messages seeking comment.

The White House did not respond to requests for comment. In a statement, a spokesman for Mr. Broidy said his memorandum had been stolen through sophisticated hacking.

“We have reason to believe this hack was sponsored and carried out by registered and unregistered agents of Qatar seeking to punish Mr. Broidy for his strong opposition to state-sponsored terrorism,” said the spokesman, adding that Mr. Broidy had also made the accusation in a letter to the Qatari ambassador in Washington.

Yousef al-Otaiba, the Emirati ambassador to the United States, declined to comment. Axios first reported Mr. Mueller’s questioning of Mr. Nader.

Mr. Nader has long been a mysterious figure. In the 1990s, he presided over an unusual Washington magazine, Middle East Insight, which sometimes provided a platform for Arab, Israeli and Iranian officials to express their views to a Washington audience.

On the magazine’s 15th anniversary, in 1996, a West Virginia congressman praised Mr. Nader on the floor of the House, calling him a “recognized expert on the region” and pointing out that the magazine had been a showcase for prominent figures such as President Hosni Mubarak of Egypt, Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin of Israel, and Yasir Arafat, the head of the Palestine Liberation Organization.

“He always struck me as a person who really thought he should be in the eye of the storm trying to make things happen,” said Frederic Hof, a former top American diplomat who knew Mr. Nader in the 1990s.

Late in that decade, Mr. Nader convinced the Clinton administration that he had valuable contacts in the Syrian government and took on a secretive role trying to broker a peace deal between Israel and Syria. Working with Ronald S. Lauder, the American cosmetics magnate and prominent donor to Jewish causes, Mr. Nader shuttled between Damascus and Jerusalem, using his contacts in both capitals to try to negotiate a truce.



Elliott Broidy, a top Republican fund-raiser, with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel in 2008. David Carp/Wallenberg Committee, via Associated Press
“In the 1990s, George was a very effective under-the-radar operator in the peace process,” said Martin S. Indyk, a former American ambassador to Israel and a member of a team put together by President Bill Clinton to negotiate peace deals between Israel and its neighbors.

“Then, he disappeared.”

Indeed, a man with a once very public profile in Washington effectively vanished from the capital’s policy scene, and his magazine ceased publication in 2002.

During the middle part of the last decade, Mr. Nader appears to have spent most of his time in the Middle East, especially in Iraq after the 2003 invasion. He developed close ties to national security officials in the Bush White House.

Erik Prince, the founder of Blackwater USA, the private security company now known as Academi, at one point hired Mr. Nader to help the company generate business deals in Iraq. In a 2010 deposition that Mr. Prince gave as part of a lawsuit against the company, Mr. Prince described Mr. Nader as a “business development consultant that we retained in Iraq” because the company was looking for contracts with the Iraqi government.

Mr. Prince said that Mr. Nader was unsuccessful in getting contracts, and that senior Blackwater officials did not work directly with him.

“George pretty much worked on his own,” he said.

At the beginning of the Obama era, Mr. Nader tried to parlay his ties to the Syrian government into access to senior members of President Barack Obama’s foreign policy team, while also seeking to advance business deals with former advisers to President George W. Bush.

By the time of the 2016 election, he had become an adviser to Prince Mohammed of the U.A.E. According to people familiar with the relationship, it was around Mr. Trump’s inauguration that Mr. Nader first met Mr. Broidy, the Republican fund-raiser, who is a California-based investor with a strong interest in the Middle East.

Mr. Broidy’s security company, Circinus, provides services to both United States agencies and foreign governments. Run by former American military officers, Circinus promises on its website that it “can employ personnel worldwide to provide physical force protection to individuals, groups or facilities within austere, hostile environments,” as well as conducting “specialized operations, infrastructure protection and training.”

Mr. Broidy, 60, had once stumbled into legal trouble over payments to a political figure. In 2009, he agreed to plead guilty to a misdemeanor charge for providing $1 million in illegal gifts to New York State pension authorities, including trips, payouts and a secret investment in a film called “Chooch” that was produced by an official’s brother. In exchange for the gifts, the state pension fund invested $250 million with an Israeli-based investment management firm that Mr. Broidy had founded. He reimbursed the pension fund for $18 million in fees.



Mr. Nader played host to a talk with Mr. Netanyahu in 1996. via C-Span
After the inauguration, Mr. Nader became friendly with Mr. Broidy and introduced him to Prince Mohammed. Circinus then signed contracts with the United Arab Emirates worth several hundred million dollars, according to people familiar with the arrangement.

By Oct. 6, Mr. Broidy had evidently become close enough to both the prince and Mr. Nader to send a detailed memorandum to an encrypted email address used by Mr. Nader recounting his advocacy on the U.A.E.’s behalf during the meeting with Mr. Trump in the Oval Office amid an afternoon of stops throughout the White House.

An ally of the White House involved in one of the initiatives discussed — a counterterrorism task force — said Mr. Broidy sent the memorandum because he had been asked by the crown prince to seek the president’s views on the idea. Mr. Broidy believed that the creation of the task force would aid American security, this person said.

According to the memo, Mr. Broidy repeatedly pressed Mr. Trump to meet privately with Prince Mohammed, preferably in an informal setting outside the White House.

“I offered that M.B.Z. is available to come to the U.S. very soon and preferred a quiet meeting in New York or New Jersey,” Mr. Broidy wrote to Mr. Nader, using the crown prince’s initials. “President Trump agreed that a meeting with M.B.Z. was a good idea.”

Mr. Broidy wrote that he had twice told Lt. Gen. H. R. McMaster, the national security adviser, that the crown prince “preferred an informal setting to meet one on one with President Trump.” But General McMaster resisted. “LTG McMaster smiled and replied that heads of state usually meet in the White House,” as “protocol dictates.”

In his memorandum, Mr. Broidy recounted that he had told Mr. Trump that he recently returned from meeting with the crown prince about Circinus work for the U.A.E. Mr. Broidy had explained “the exciting and transformational plan being constructed by M.B.Z. to develop a counterterrorism task force,” which Mr. Broidy told the president was “inspired” by his speech at a conference in Riyadh.

Mr. Broidy was harshly critical of the crown prince’s neighbor and nemesis, Qatar. The U.A.E. has accused Qatar, an American ally, of using its satellite network Al Jazeera to promote political Islam, among other allegations.

Mr. Trump also asked about Mr. Tillerson — who had publicly criticized the isolation of Qatar — and Mr. Broidy said that the secretary of state should be fired. “Rex was performing poorly,” Mr. Broidy said, according to the memorandum.

In between the discussions of diplomacy, business and statecraft, Mr. Broidy wrote, he and the president “spoke for several minutes about politics and the fund-raising efforts for the midterm elections as well as the state of affairs at the R.N.C.,” or the Republican National Committee.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/03/us/p ... d=pl-share


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(THREAD) Trump advisor Erik Prince met secretly with Putin pal/Russian Direct Investment Fund CEO Kirill Dmitriev, at the request of the UAE. Then Dmitriev and the UAE went to Abu Dhabi—where Prince lives—to cut a deal.

And Trump's son was in town.

Hope you'll read and share.


1/ According to The Washington Post, Prince—a Trump national security advisor—went to the Seychelles in January for a clandestine UAE-brokered meeting with Kremlin-connected RDIF CEO Kirill Dmitriev.
https://www.washingtonpost.com
The goal: establish a secret Trump-Putin backchannel.

2/ Under oath before Congress, Prince denied everything—doing so with such clear contempt for the truth and Congress that essays were written about how downright majestically he'd perjured himself to hide clandestine Team Trump dealings abroad with Russia. http://docs.house.gov/meetings/IG/IG00/ ... 171130.pdf

3/ Here's my own analysis of Prince's testimony (a live-tweet thread that tracks each page of Erik Prince's lengthy conversation with Congress):Seth Abramson added,

(THREAD) Erik Prince—Trump advisor; ex-head of a murderous mercenary army; would-be head of Trump's private spy agency; would-be head of a privatized U.S. army—is a dangerous liar. He just testified under…
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4/ Prince wouldn't tell Congress what business he discussed with the UAE Royal Family, though he says bauxite (aluminum ore) came up. He said the Dmitriev meeting was an inconsequential coincidence, though he admitted they discussed Trump, Trump's policies, and Russian sanctions.

5/ The Prince-Dmitriev meeting about a secret Russian backchannel happened on January 11, 2017. On February 21, UAE officials came to Prince's hometown, Abu Dhabi, to do a deal with—you guessed it—the Russians. The goods? Military goods—Prince's specialty. http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articl ... stors.html

6/ Even more interesting? The seller was the Russian government, and the buyers were a consortium that included the UAE and the RDIF (remember, the UAE was meeting with the RDIF in the Seychelles the same day the UAE and the RDIF met with Trump national security advisor Prince).

7/ The $2.35 billion deal for 12% of Russian Helicopters, a Kremlin-owned company, was to a "consortium" of buyers organized by Dmitriev—not all of whose members are known. The deal brought Russian military tech to the Middle East, which effort—again—is Erik Prince's specialty.

8/ At the time Prince met with the UAE and Russia, his fellow Trump advisors Flynn, Barrack and McFarlane were in the midst of a secret lobbying campaign to end Russia sanctions and give nuclear tech to the Middle East—so Russia could build reactors there. https://www.globalresearch.ca/white-hou ... ia/5621193

9/ Prince and Flynn worked hand-in-glove before—in spreading the True Pundit Hoax in early November of 2016 (an effort that may have swung the 2016 election).

In January, a shared aim seemed to be a) connecting Putin and Trump, and b) aiding Russian outreach to the Middle East.

10/ Here's where things get interesting. Abu Dhabi is just an hour from Dubai—so close that the two cities may as well be a single city (like Los Angeles). So guess who was in Dubai in the 72 hours prior to the RDIF/UAE deal? That's right: Donald Trump Jr.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... olf-resort

11/ Don Jr., Prince, and Flynn were all involved in spreading the True Pundit Hoax. Flynn knows Prince; Don Jr. was Flynn's boss on the transition team; there are indications the three men all know one another. We also know Trump has violated his pledge to do no business abroad.

12/ We know too that the Steele Dossier says Putin has used the sale of Russian entities to entice Trump in the past—offering him pieces of sales of Russian entities as a hidden investor (funneling the money through the shell corporations Trump's tax returns would tell us about).

13/ There is circumstantial evidence to suggest that Trump Jr. could have met Prince—and/or Dmitriev and UAE investors—in Abu Dhabi at the time the $2.35 billion Rostec deal was closing.

Certainly, Dmitriev was wooing investors the day he met with Trump's advisor Erik Prince.

14/ The smoking gun-cum-Holy Grail of the Trump-Russia investigation has for many, many months been any evidence that Trump was *successfully* in business with the Russians during the campaign or his presidency (we know he *tried* to be many, many times—see Trump Tower Moscow).

15/ Congress and Mueller must look into the mysterious February 2017 Rostec sale to see if Prince, Don Jr., or anyone else associated with the Trump family, Trump Organization, Trump campaign, or Trump administration were involved in the secretive investor group Dmitriev set up.

PS/ It's worth noting that 6 days after Dmitriev met secretly with Prince—again, a meetup whose content was *so* secret that Prince conspicuously perjured himself over it, risking prison—Dmitriev met with Trump advisor Anthony Scaramucci in Davos. Someone must look into all this.


1. If Don planned to be in Abu Dhabi/Dubai for the Rostec deal, the Trump Dubai golf course opening would have been a perfect cover.

2. We know the UAE wanted to get Trump and the Russians together.

3. Prince risked perjury charges to hide what Dmitriev wanted with Trump.

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Re: NSA Chief Russia Hacked '16 Election Congress Must Inves

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Mar 05, 2018 11:08 am

to be fair I do not mind at all debating trump talking points :P

0_0 » Sat Mar 03, 2018 11:47 am wrote:There is still zero proof of any of that more than a year later.


what are you talking about 5 people have pled guilty .......if there was no proof why would they pled guilty?
and I would add they've pled guilty to small offenses because they are cooperating and giving evidence against others

The full list of known indictments and plea deals in Mueller’s probe
1) George Papadopoulos, former Trump campaign foreign policy adviser, pleaded guilty in October to making false statements to the FBI.

2) Michael Flynn, Trump’s former national security adviser, pleaded guilty in December to making false statements to the FBI.


3) Paul Manafort, Trump’s former campaign chair, was indicted in October in Washington, DC on charges of conspiracy, money laundering, false statements, and failure to disclose foreign assets — all related to his work for Ukrainian politicians before he joined the Trump campaign. He’s pleaded not guilty on all counts. Then, in February, Mueller filed a new case against him in Virginia, with tax, financial, and bank fraud charges.

4) Rick Gates, a former Trump campaign aide and Manafort’s longtime junior business partner, was indicted on similar charges to Manafort. But he has now agreed to a plea deal with Mueller’s team, pleading guilty to just one false statements charge and one conspiracy charge.

5-20) 13 Russian nationals and three Russian companies were indicted on conspiracy charges, with some also being accused of identity theft. The charges related to a Russian propaganda effort designed to interfere with the 2016 campaign. The companies involved are the Internet Research Agency, often described as a “Russian troll farm,” and two other companies that helped finance it. The Russian nationals indicted include 12 of the agency’s employees and its alleged financier, Yevgeny Prigozhin.

21) Richard Pinedo: This California man pleaded guilty to an identity theft charge in connection with the Russian indictments, and has agreed to cooperate with Mueller.

22) Alex van der Zwaan: This London lawyer pleaded guilty to making false statements to the FBI about his contacts with Rick Gates and another unnamed person based in Ukraine.





0_0 » Sat Mar 03, 2018 11:47 am wrote:
but let's not pretend Trump is some kind of exception in this regard.


I definitely do not pretend

I can't believe you would say that....in order for you to say that you must have ignored everything in the trump threads
Trump Is Officially the Worst President Ever
…according to a new survey of political scholars.

Donald Trump comes in dead last in his debut ranking. Among Democratic scholars, he’s far and away last. Among independent scholars, he’s second to last. Even among Republican scholars, he’s bottom five.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/20 ... dent-ever/


no other president ever said he could shot someone and get away with it

no president says he'd like to be president for life

no other president has cuddled up to every frickin dictator on this planet

no president has ever had his very own propaganda network

'Pure madness': Dark days inside the White House as Trump shocks and rages

Inside the White House, aides over the past week have described an air of anxiety and volatility - with an uncontrollable commander in chief at its center.
As one official put it: "We haven't bottomed out."
"Pure madness," lamented one exasperated ally.
https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Pur ... 725669.php


trump is KING!

The great danger in all of this is that a man who knows little but is pretending to know much can easily be manipulated by those who know more.

Trump: King of Chaos

Charles M. Blow
MARCH 4, 2018

That seemed to be the descriptor most tossed around last week to capture the circus around Donald Trump.

But I think chaos is the fruit of this poison tree, not the root of it. That is to say that I don’t believe that Trump desires chaos because he feels most at peace when the world around him is experiencing pandemonium.

Rather, I believe that this chaos is the perpetual result of the absolute incompetence and idiocy of a preening philistine who has faked his way through life pretending that he knows more than he does and is tougher than he is.

He has two diametrically opposed impulses.

On the one hand, he latches on to outlandish ideas, or simple, emotional aspects of complicated issues, or conspiratorial drivel, and he vests the whole of his emotional energy into proving their veracity, often against overwhelming evidence to the contrary. President Obama wasn’t born in America. Obama used the F.B.I. to spy on him. There were good people on both sides in Charlottesville. The “fake news media” is the enemy of the American people. The whole Russia investigation is a hoax. He’s doing a good job as president.

On the other hand, and with other issues, his convictions are not fixed at all, but ephemeral and fleeting, changing from moment to moment, like the pattern of fog on a glass.

This is when you can see that he is clearly faking it. He wants so desperately to be right that he says whatever his audience — whether that be a small group or a filled arena, whether that be members of Congress or fans at a rally — want to hear and will respond to.


This is how you can get wildly vacillating positions and bold, empty promises in bipartisan meetings with the man — whether those meetings are about addressing DACA and immigration or about addressing gun control after the school shooting in Florida.

And one thing that clearly comes across in those meetings is how much he talks rather than listens. It’s all about what he believes, what he would do, how courageous he is, how conciliatory he is, how smart he is about the subject.

That is precisely how you know that none of it is true, and that he is simply stringing together a jumble of words into conflicting ideas. You see a fear of being exposed as an idiot and fraud. As Friedrich Nietzsche once put it: “Talking much about oneself can also be a means to conceal oneself.”

So Trump simply bulldozes his way through, boasting and bragging, distracting and dissembling, making promises without making sense.

People used to dealing with a sane, logical person who generally doesn’t lie and generally makes sense are left scratching their heads, wondering whether to believe what they have heard, whether to make plans and policies around it.

Believing anything Trump says is a recipe for a headache and heartache. The old rules no longer apply. We see the world as through a window — as it is, even if we are a bit removed from the whole of it.

Trump sees it as if in a house of mirrors — everything reflecting some distorted version of him. His reality always seems to return to a kind of delusional narcissism.

The only way that a person can live out a life in this fashion is to be a liar and a fraud. That’s why the majority of Americans find him unlikable and unfit. Character still matters.

The great danger in all of this is that a man who knows little but is pretending to know much can easily be manipulated by those who know more.

For instance, according to The New York Times, leading up to Trump’s hurriedly announcing his potentially disastrous steel and aluminum tariffs:

“Supporters of the tariffs have begun broadcasting televised ads in recent days during programs that Mr. Trump has been known to watch. One such ad ran on Fox News minutes before the president’s Twitter post on Thursday morning.”

He made the move against the advice of his own director of the National Economic Council, Gary Cohn, and his defense secretary, Jim Mattis.

As is Trump’s wont, he doubled down defending his hasty decision by trying to render something fraught and nuanced as simple and easy.

He tweeted Friday, at 5:50 a.m. no less, that “trade wars are good, and easy to win.” Only a simpleton with no true comprehension of global trade systems would say such a thing. And he did.

As is the case most often with this man, the subjects aren’t simple, but his understanding is.

It is this constant attempt to render the big things small and to make his limited knowledge and ability appear not only sufficient but extraordinary, that leads to Trump’s constant state of chaos.

Trump keeps trying to bend the world to meet him, rather than rising to meet the world. That has never worked and never will. It only compounds the chaos.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/04/opin ... chaos.html


Mueller's leaked 'hit list' may indicate he's treating Trump's team like a 'criminal enterprise'

A grand-jury subpoena from the special counsel Robert Mueller's team reportedly targets most of Donald Trump's senior campaign team, including the president.
The news website Axios reported that Mueller would subpoena communications from nine leaders of Trump's campaign and Trump himself.
A former CIA officer said the subpoena indicated Mueller was treating Trump's team like a "criminal enterprise."
A grand-jury subpoena from the special counsel Robert Mueller's team reportedly targets the majority of Donald Trump's senior campaign team, including the president.

The subpoena, seen by and labeled a "hit list" by the news website Axios, asks for all texts, letters, handwritten notes, or communications of any kind starting from November 1, 2015, between one unnamed witness and the following people:

Carter Page, a former investment banker and campaign foreign-policy adviser.

Corey Lewandowski, a Trump campaign manager.

Hope Hicks, Trump's outgoing communications director.

Keith Schiller, Trump's former bodyguard and confidant.

Michael Cohen, the longtime personal attorney for Trump.

Paul Manafort, Trump's already indicted campaign chairman.

Rick Gates, the deputy chairman of Trump's presidential campaign who is now cooperating with Mueller.

Roger Stone, an adviser to Trump who left the campaign before November 1, 2015, but has admitted to having contact with
WikiLeaks, the organization that leaked hacked emails from the Democratic National Convention.

Steve Bannon, the former White House chief strategist under Trump.

And, finally, Donald Trump himself makes the list.

November 1, 2015, the start of the subpoena's request, came nearly five months after Trump announced his candidacy.

In response to the report, Ned Price, a former CIA official who advised President Barack Obama and resigned from the agency rather than work for Trump's administration, tweeted that the subpoena indicated "Mueller is treating it like a criminal enterprise."

Price pointed out that the inclusion of Roger Stone, who worked with the campaign only briefly and had no subsequent role in the White House — but was found to have communicated with WikiLeaks — may indicate the subpoena is not about questions of obstruction of justice but instead whether Trump's team colluded with Russia.

Trump has repeatedly denied obstructing justice in the investigation or colluding with foreign agents, making "no collusion" a rallying cry on Twitter.
http://www.businessinsider.com/muellers ... ise-2018-3
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They could still get him out of office.
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Re: NSA Chief Russia Hacked '16 Election Congress Must Inves

Postby 0_0 » Mon Mar 05, 2018 12:36 pm

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Re: NSA Chief Russia Hacked '16 Election Congress Must Inves

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Mar 05, 2018 12:45 pm

what does that have to do with this thread....did you mistakenly post it in the wrong place?

why are you ignoring my questions?

there is a Clinton thread I am sure you know that

I don't appreciate my thread being hijacked but play on if you must change the subject
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Re: NSA Chief Russia Hacked '16 Election Congress Must Inves

Postby 0_0 » Mon Mar 05, 2018 12:48 pm

watch and find out :) it basically begins with looking at how ridiculous hillary clinton's recent tweet is calling on Trump to start WW3 to prove he isn't in bed with the russians, because obviously the only way Hillary could have lost to such a despicable incompetent schmuck as Trump is because people were tricked by some evil foreign agency.. then it goes on to look at some actually proven election fraud this 2016 election and the very lukewarm reaction to that.. anyway, like i said if you're interested in this subject matter might just wanna watch the video before replying
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Re: NSA Chief Russia Hacked '16 Election Congress Must Inves

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Mar 05, 2018 12:49 pm

put it in the fucking clinton thread

it proves nothing

and of course completely ignore my questions to you...maybe I'll watch when you decide to answer my questions instead of derailing this thread
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Re: NSA Chief Russia Hacked '16 Election Congress Must Inves

Postby 0_0 » Mon Mar 05, 2018 12:53 pm

it proves the toxic effect this narrative has slad
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Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Mar 05, 2018 12:54 pm

it does not...it proves you will do anything but answer my questions

one fucking video proves NOTHING
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Re: NSA Chief Russia Hacked '16 Election Congress Must Inves

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Mar 05, 2018 12:56 pm

0_0 » Mon Mar 05, 2018 11:53 am wrote:it proves the toxic effect this narrative has slad


you can't address this so you change the subject ...typical of trump speak

seemslikeadream » Mon Mar 05, 2018 10:08 am wrote:to be fair I do not mind at all debating trump talking points :P

0_0 » Sat Mar 03, 2018 11:47 am wrote:There is still zero proof of any of that more than a year later.


what are you talking about 5 people have pled guilty .......if there was no proof why would they pled guilty?
and I would add they've pled guilty to small offenses because they are cooperating and giving evidence against others

The full list of known indictments and plea deals in Mueller’s probe
1) George Papadopoulos, former Trump campaign foreign policy adviser, pleaded guilty in October to making false statements to the FBI.

2) Michael Flynn, Trump’s former national security adviser, pleaded guilty in December to making false statements to the FBI.


3) Paul Manafort, Trump’s former campaign chair, was indicted in October in Washington, DC on charges of conspiracy, money laundering, false statements, and failure to disclose foreign assets — all related to his work for Ukrainian politicians before he joined the Trump campaign. He’s pleaded not guilty on all counts. Then, in February, Mueller filed a new case against him in Virginia, with tax, financial, and bank fraud charges.

4) Rick Gates, a former Trump campaign aide and Manafort’s longtime junior business partner, was indicted on similar charges to Manafort. But he has now agreed to a plea deal with Mueller’s team, pleading guilty to just one false statements charge and one conspiracy charge.

5-20) 13 Russian nationals and three Russian companies were indicted on conspiracy charges, with some also being accused of identity theft. The charges related to a Russian propaganda effort designed to interfere with the 2016 campaign. The companies involved are the Internet Research Agency, often described as a “Russian troll farm,” and two other companies that helped finance it. The Russian nationals indicted include 12 of the agency’s employees and its alleged financier, Yevgeny Prigozhin.

21) Richard Pinedo: This California man pleaded guilty to an identity theft charge in connection with the Russian indictments, and has agreed to cooperate with Mueller.

22) Alex van der Zwaan: This London lawyer pleaded guilty to making false statements to the FBI about his contacts with Rick Gates and another unnamed person based in Ukraine.





0_0 » Sat Mar 03, 2018 11:47 am wrote:
but let's not pretend Trump is some kind of exception in this regard.


I definitely do not pretend

I can't believe you would say that....in order for you to say that you must have ignored everything in the trump threads
Trump Is Officially the Worst President Ever
…according to a new survey of political scholars.

Donald Trump comes in dead last in his debut ranking. Among Democratic scholars, he’s far and away last. Among independent scholars, he’s second to last. Even among Republican scholars, he’s bottom five.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/20 ... dent-ever/


no other president ever said he could shot someone and get away with it

no president says he'd like to be president for life

no other president has cuddled up to every frickin dictator on this planet

no president has ever had his very own propaganda network

'Pure madness': Dark days inside the White House as Trump shocks and rages

Inside the White House, aides over the past week have described an air of anxiety and volatility - with an uncontrollable commander in chief at its center.
As one official put it: "We haven't bottomed out."
"Pure madness," lamented one exasperated ally.
https://www.sfgate.com/news/article/Pur ... 725669.php


trump is KING!

The great danger in all of this is that a man who knows little but is pretending to know much can easily be manipulated by those who know more.

Trump: King of Chaos

Charles M. Blow
MARCH 4, 2018

That seemed to be the descriptor most tossed around last week to capture the circus around Donald Trump.

But I think chaos is the fruit of this poison tree, not the root of it. That is to say that I don’t believe that Trump desires chaos because he feels most at peace when the world around him is experiencing pandemonium.

Rather, I believe that this chaos is the perpetual result of the absolute incompetence and idiocy of a preening philistine who has faked his way through life pretending that he knows more than he does and is tougher than he is.

He has two diametrically opposed impulses.

On the one hand, he latches on to outlandish ideas, or simple, emotional aspects of complicated issues, or conspiratorial drivel, and he vests the whole of his emotional energy into proving their veracity, often against overwhelming evidence to the contrary. President Obama wasn’t born in America. Obama used the F.B.I. to spy on him. There were good people on both sides in Charlottesville. The “fake news media” is the enemy of the American people. The whole Russia investigation is a hoax. He’s doing a good job as president.

On the other hand, and with other issues, his convictions are not fixed at all, but ephemeral and fleeting, changing from moment to moment, like the pattern of fog on a glass.

This is when you can see that he is clearly faking it. He wants so desperately to be right that he says whatever his audience — whether that be a small group or a filled arena, whether that be members of Congress or fans at a rally — want to hear and will respond to.


This is how you can get wildly vacillating positions and bold, empty promises in bipartisan meetings with the man — whether those meetings are about addressing DACA and immigration or about addressing gun control after the school shooting in Florida.

And one thing that clearly comes across in those meetings is how much he talks rather than listens. It’s all about what he believes, what he would do, how courageous he is, how conciliatory he is, how smart he is about the subject.

That is precisely how you know that none of it is true, and that he is simply stringing together a jumble of words into conflicting ideas. You see a fear of being exposed as an idiot and fraud. As Friedrich Nietzsche once put it: “Talking much about oneself can also be a means to conceal oneself.”

So Trump simply bulldozes his way through, boasting and bragging, distracting and dissembling, making promises without making sense.

People used to dealing with a sane, logical person who generally doesn’t lie and generally makes sense are left scratching their heads, wondering whether to believe what they have heard, whether to make plans and policies around it.

Believing anything Trump says is a recipe for a headache and heartache. The old rules no longer apply. We see the world as through a window — as it is, even if we are a bit removed from the whole of it.

Trump sees it as if in a house of mirrors — everything reflecting some distorted version of him. His reality always seems to return to a kind of delusional narcissism.

The only way that a person can live out a life in this fashion is to be a liar and a fraud. That’s why the majority of Americans find him unlikable and unfit. Character still matters.

The great danger in all of this is that a man who knows little but is pretending to know much can easily be manipulated by those who know more.

For instance, according to The New York Times, leading up to Trump’s hurriedly announcing his potentially disastrous steel and aluminum tariffs:

“Supporters of the tariffs have begun broadcasting televised ads in recent days during programs that Mr. Trump has been known to watch. One such ad ran on Fox News minutes before the president’s Twitter post on Thursday morning.”

He made the move against the advice of his own director of the National Economic Council, Gary Cohn, and his defense secretary, Jim Mattis.

As is Trump’s wont, he doubled down defending his hasty decision by trying to render something fraught and nuanced as simple and easy.

He tweeted Friday, at 5:50 a.m. no less, that “trade wars are good, and easy to win.” Only a simpleton with no true comprehension of global trade systems would say such a thing. And he did.

As is the case most often with this man, the subjects aren’t simple, but his understanding is.

It is this constant attempt to render the big things small and to make his limited knowledge and ability appear not only sufficient but extraordinary, that leads to Trump’s constant state of chaos.

Trump keeps trying to bend the world to meet him, rather than rising to meet the world. That has never worked and never will. It only compounds the chaos.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/03/04/opin ... chaos.html


Mueller's leaked 'hit list' may indicate he's treating Trump's team like a 'criminal enterprise'

A grand-jury subpoena from the special counsel Robert Mueller's team reportedly targets most of Donald Trump's senior campaign team, including the president.
The news website Axios reported that Mueller would subpoena communications from nine leaders of Trump's campaign and Trump himself.
A former CIA officer said the subpoena indicated Mueller was treating Trump's team like a "criminal enterprise."
A grand-jury subpoena from the special counsel Robert Mueller's team reportedly targets the majority of Donald Trump's senior campaign team, including the president.

The subpoena, seen by and labeled a "hit list" by the news website Axios, asks for all texts, letters, handwritten notes, or communications of any kind starting from November 1, 2015, between one unnamed witness and the following people:

Carter Page, a former investment banker and campaign foreign-policy adviser.

Corey Lewandowski, a Trump campaign manager.

Hope Hicks, Trump's outgoing communications director.

Keith Schiller, Trump's former bodyguard and confidant.

Michael Cohen, the longtime personal attorney for Trump.

Paul Manafort, Trump's already indicted campaign chairman.

Rick Gates, the deputy chairman of Trump's presidential campaign who is now cooperating with Mueller.

Roger Stone, an adviser to Trump who left the campaign before November 1, 2015, but has admitted to having contact with
WikiLeaks, the organization that leaked hacked emails from the Democratic National Convention.

Steve Bannon, the former White House chief strategist under Trump.

And, finally, Donald Trump himself makes the list.

November 1, 2015, the start of the subpoena's request, came nearly five months after Trump announced his candidacy.

In response to the report, Ned Price, a former CIA official who advised President Barack Obama and resigned from the agency rather than work for Trump's administration, tweeted that the subpoena indicated "Mueller is treating it like a criminal enterprise."

Price pointed out that the inclusion of Roger Stone, who worked with the campaign only briefly and had no subsequent role in the White House — but was found to have communicated with WikiLeaks — may indicate the subpoena is not about questions of obstruction of justice but instead whether Trump's team colluded with Russia.

Trump has repeatedly denied obstructing justice in the investigation or colluding with foreign agents, making "no collusion" a rallying cry on Twitter.
http://www.businessinsider.com/muellers ... ise-2018-3
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Re: NSA Chief Russia Hacked '16 Election Congress Must Inves

Postby 0_0 » Mon Mar 05, 2018 12:59 pm

let's let all interested readers make up their own mind, shall we? btw when i post here i'm not exclusively addressing you or looking for your response exclusively you know? kinda rude to react without even watching the video and demand i answer your questions or post it in another topic or stating that i hijack the thread because i have a different take on this than you. in my opinion at least.. and that's disregarding your offensive language, your constant editing of your own posts and your barrage of quoting the same copypaste that already was in this topic over and over
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Re: NSA Chief Russia Hacked '16 Election Congress Must Inves

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Mar 05, 2018 1:00 pm

you were rude by first not addressing the questions I posed to you and instead derailing this thread because you can't

your video has nothing to do with this thread and you know it that's why you posted it
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Re: NSA Chief Russia Hacked '16 Election Congress Must Inves

Postby 0_0 » Mon Mar 05, 2018 1:04 pm

i am under no obligation to answer questions from you slad, even less so when you obviously are very disingenious in how you quote me and are not interested in my answers anyway. and you started being rude by immediately attacking me for posting a video that wasn't recent enough and then when i post another video by saying it proves nothing and has nothing to do with the subject at hand when you havent even watched it. that is all for now.
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