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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby seemslikeadream » Wed Mar 14, 2018 2:39 pm

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I don't care how much money I have to spend.....got to get back to my baby again

my baby wrote me a letter

What was in the letter Putin wrote to Trump in 2013?


In 2013, Vladimir Putin sent Donald Trump a gift.

Trump had just flown home to New York from Moscow. He’d traveled to oversee the Miss Universe pageant, which he owned; Trump had tried and failed to meet the Russian leader while there.

Now arrived a consolation prize of sorts. The daughter of Aras Agalarov, an oligarch known as “Putin’s Builder” after amassing a billion-dollar-plus real estate empire, showed up at the Miss Universe offices in New York, bearing a box.

“It was a black lacquered box,” write journalists Michael Isikoff and David Corn in their book “Russian Roulette.” “Inside was a sealed letter from the Russian autocrat. What the letter said has never been revealed.”

It’s an intriguing jewel of a detail, not least because it hints at how much remains a mystery about Russia’s ambitions and activity targeting Trump and the country he now leads. The House and Senate Intelligence Committees launched their Russia probes more than a year ago. Special counsel Robert Mueller’s team joined the fray last May; countless reporters have spent countless hours digging. Yet Russia, write Isikoff and Corn, remains “the original sin of [Trump’s] presidency, a scandal that raise[s] questions about both his legitimacy and the nation’s vulnerability to covert information warfare.”

“Russian Roulette” is Corn and Isikoff’s account of how Russia consumed the 2016 presidential campaign — and the first year of Trump’s presidency. This is not the first writing partnership for these two. Their previous book, “Hubris,” appeared in 2006 and focused on the Iraq War. This latest collaboration delivers no real bombshells. No proof of collusion, no evidence that Russia changed the outcome of the 2016 election, no revelation that fundamentally revises our understanding of the trajectory of events. But “Russian Roulette” performs an important service in tracing how establishment Washington — policymakers, intelligence chiefs, journalists — came to understand that what Russia was (and reportedly is still) up to was not routine espionage.

For those of us who’ve tracked the Russia story closely, reading this account may induce something like a mild case of PTSD. Here again are all the figures who fleetingly became household names in America: Sergey Kislyak, Corey Lewandowski, Natalia Veselnitskaya, Guccifer 2.0. Here again are all the truly, staggeringly bonkers moments we have collectively lived through.

An example: I confess to slumping over in snort-giggles while turning the pages that recount the afternoon of Friday, Oct. 7, 2016.

Around 3 p.m. that day, massive news broke. The Office of the Director of National Intelligence and the Department of Homeland Security released a terse statement, declaring that Russia had “directed the recent compromises of e-mails from US persons and institutions, including from US political organizations.” In other words, the leaders of the intelligence community were for the first time publicly fingering Russia for the Democratic National Committee hack, and not only that: “Only Russia’s senior-most officials could have authorized these activities.”

I had attempted to take Oct. 7 off, and I have a vivid memory of standing on the sideline of my son’s soccer practice, scanning the statement on my phone and realizing that my weekend was shot. But before I finished filing for the NPR newscast, another shoe dropped. At 4:02 p.m., David Fahrenthold of The Washington Post tweeted, “stand by for some news about @realDonaldTrump.” One minute later, his story on the “Access Hollywood,” “Grab ’em by the p----” video went live, instantly imperiling Trump’s candidacy.

And still the news gods were not done. Just when you thought the afternoon could not possibly get nuttier, 4:32 p.m. brought a tweet from WikiLeaks. “RELEASE: The Podesta Emails,” it read. Some 2,000 messages from Clinton campaign manager John Podesta’s personal Gmail account were posted immediately; WikiLeaks claimed to have tens of thousands more. Soon reporters would be mining a document dump that included both serious campaign communications and Podesta’s risotto recipe.

Isikoff and Corn play it mostly straight, recounting how that train wreck of an afternoon played out at Clinton campaign headquarters and at Trump Tower. But they couldn’t resist dropping a delicious, last detail: “The U.S. presidential race was essentially in chaos. And October 7 was Vladimir Putin’s sixty-fourth birthday.”

I mean, come on. You really couldn’t make it up.

Other sections of the book, meanwhile, are hard to get through without a creeping sense of dread.

“Paul Manafort wanted back in the game,” begins the chapter on the Washington power lobbyist who did indeed want back into Republican Party politics and would find his chance as Trump’s campaign manager.

“Run away!” you want to yell, because we know what is to come: FBI raids on the Manafort home, grand juries and indictments and charges of money laundering and tax crimes and bank fraud and — well, who knows? Even as I type, this sentence is probably being overtaken by the latest turn of events in the Mueller probe. Isikoff and Corn unpack the foreign consulting transactions for which Manafort raked in millions; if you want to dive deep, deep into the weeds of his business contacts in Ukraine, this is your book. But for all the detail, Manafort the man remains inscrutable.

Other chapters do succeed at picking apart the exceedingly complicated plotlines of the Russia saga. Corn and Isikoff’s writing on the Steele dossier, for example, is the clearest, cleanest account I’ve read of how that document came to be.

“Early in June [2016], two men met for lunch in an Italian restaurant in Terminal 5 of London’s Heathrow Airport,” we are told. “They shared a deep passion: uncovering and countering the corruption and misdeeds of Putin’s regime.” The two men were Christopher Steele, an ex-British spy who “still looked the part — a dapper dresser with pale blue eyes,” and Glenn Simpson, “a tall, scruffy American with an intense manner.”

Simpson ran Fusion GPS, an investigative firm that would commission Steele to look into Trump’s trips to Russia. Simpson’s “brief to Steele was simple: ‘Tell me what he’s been doing over there.’ ” The result — a dossier of 17 memos that alleges, among other things, that Russian intelligence collected kompromat on Trump engaging in sexually perverted acts — has never been fully proved or disproved. Trump himself calls it fake news. “Russian Roulette” focuses less on the accuracy — or lack thereof — of the dossier and more on the character and motivations of the men who created it.

On this point, Corn and Isikoff are not neutral observers. Isikoff refers to Simpson as a “longtime friend”; Corn acknowledges having known Simpson “for years — as a colleague, a social acquaintance, and an occasional source.” The authors worked the relationship to their advantage. “Russian Roulette” draws heavily on news stories that Isikoff and Corn filed on what would come to be known as the Steele dossier before most Americans had ever heard of it; among others, their reporting caught the eye of Rep. Devin Nunes, the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee. Alert readers of the Nunes memo , the document declassified last month that alleges surveillance abuses by the FBI, will note that it names precisely two journalists: David Corn and Michael Isikoff.

“Russian Roulette” is an engaging, smart but ultimately unsatisfying read. “It is challenging to write a book on a scandal that is not yet over,” laments Isikoff. He points to sources reluctant to talk, investigations still unfolding. It’s a challenge familiar to all writers of contemporary history and current affairs: How to construct a narrative that won’t be quickly dated and overtaken by events? How to weave a story, when you don’t know how it ends?

Russian Roulette

The Inside Story of Putin’s War on America and the Election of Donald Trump

By Michael Isikoff and David Corn
https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/ ... d31b59878f


TRUMP is seriously dangerous for the republican party :evilgrin

NEWS & POLITICS
The GOP Is in Full-Blown Panic Mode After Conor Lamb's Apparent Victory in Pennsylvania
One Republican strategist believes "no suburban district is safe."
By Brad Reed / Raw Story March 14, 2018, 3:45 AM GMT


Democrat Conor Lamb’s apparent victory in Pennsylvania’s special congressional election on Tuesday is sending waves of panic through the Republican Party, as it came in a seemingly safe district that had voted for President Donald Trump by 20 points in 2016.

A Republican strategist who talked with Business Insider says that the GOP should not try to put any rosy spin on the results of the election, as he said they would have been disastrous for the party even if Republican candidate Rick Saccone had pulled out a razor-thin victory.

“The narrow margin in a district the president won handily should be a serious wake-up call for Republican incumbents across the map,” the strategist said. “No suburban district is safe and every candidate better be ready for the most difficult cycle of their career.”

Another GOP strategist similarly told Business Insider that the loss should “serve as a wake-up call to everybody” in the GOP.

Lamb’s district not only voted for Trump by 20 points in 2016, it is also classified by analysts as a Republican +11 district, meaning a generic Republican has an inherent 11-point advantage over a generic Democrat in any election. For perspective, there are more than 100 Republican-held seats whose districts are more Democratic-friendly than PA-18, including those of Rep. Paul Ryan (R-WI), whose district is rated as Republican +4, and Rep. Devin Nunes (R-CA), whose district is rating as Republican +8.


Democrats need to flip 24 seats to win a majority in the House of Representatives in November’s midterm elections.
Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby dada » Wed Mar 14, 2018 3:03 pm

What ends up happening when any discussion is called derailment and shut down, is you end up with a thread that belongs in the data dump.
Both his words and manner of speech seemed at first totally unfamiliar to me, and yet somehow they stirred memories - as an actor might be stirred by the forgotten lines of some role he had played far away and long ago.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby seemslikeadream » Wed Mar 14, 2018 3:04 pm

good luck with that cause it has NEVER happen......will NEVER happen

staying on topic ...discussing that topic is the adult thing to do...especially when a mod asks you please....how nice can a person be and still be ignored over and over?

staying on topic has been that way for 14 years

repeatedly going off topic is called something....can't remember the exact word right now but there is a word for it


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Trump decided to fire Tillerson March 13 but someone else decided what Trump would decide on March 1:
Exxon quits some Russian joint ventures citing sanctions
Ernest Scheyder, Vladimir Soldatkin

HOUSTON/MOSCOW (Reuters) - Exxon Mobil Corp (XOM.N) will exit some joint ventures with Russia’s Rosneft (ROSN.MM), citing Western sanctions first imposed in 2014, in a move that the Russian company said would result in serious losses for its U.S. partner.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-exxo ... SKCN1GC39B
Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby dada » Wed Mar 14, 2018 4:36 pm

What is it they say about 'ideas, events, and people' again?

Say we had some real right wingers on the board. We've had a few over the years. They might think Donald isn't seriously dangerous. They're not welcome to discuss their opinion here.

Some people may think that every president since WWII have been war criminals, as Chomsky said. Never mind Donald, the office of the president is seriously dangerous. Again, not welcome here.

These opinions are related to the topic under discussion on this thread. Just not related enough to earn the unspoken seal of approval.

And of course it goes without saying that space aliens like me, with our mysterious, hidden agenda, are not welcome.

Deviate from the official party line, you aren't welcome to post here. This is starting to look like... well, not a discussion, that's for sure.

If there weren't differing viewpoints, what would be the point of discussion on this topic at all.
Both his words and manner of speech seemed at first totally unfamiliar to me, and yet somehow they stirred memories - as an actor might be stirred by the forgotten lines of some role he had played far away and long ago.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby seemslikeadream » Wed Mar 14, 2018 4:49 pm

seemslikeadream » Wed Mar 14, 2018 2:04 pm wrote:good luck with that cause it has NEVER happen......will NEVER happen

staying on topic ...discussing that topic is the adult thing to do...especially when a mod asks you please....how nice can a person be and still be ignored over and over?

staying on topic has been that way for 14 years

repeatedly going off topic is called something....can't remember the exact word right now but there is a word for it


OP.....Original Post stating the TOPIC of a thread....if you would like to discuss something different please start you own OP

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Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby 0_0 » Wed Mar 14, 2018 4:52 pm

just quoting your own reply allover again over someone else's is so rude, it really is; is this a discussion board or a propaganda outlet?
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby seemslikeadream » Wed Mar 14, 2018 4:53 pm

Hearing set in Stormy Daniels' lawsuit against Trump

Host: Daniels talked Trump affair on my show

Washington (CNN)A hearing date has been set for the lawsuit adult film actress Stormy Daniels filed against President Donald Trump and his lawyer Michael Cohen's company to dissolve their non-disclosure agreement.

The hearing has been set for July 12 at the Los Angeles County Superior Court.

Daniels, whose legal name is Stephanie Clifford, filed suit last week against the President. The lawsuit said Trump never signed a hush agreement to keep Daniels quiet late in the 2016 campaign about an alleged sexual encounter between the two before Trump was president.
Stormy Daniels discussed alleged affair with Trump on 2007 radio show, host says
The lawsuit said Cohen had signed it on Trump's behalf and therefore the agreement was void. Both Cohen and the White House have denied the allegations of an affair between Daniels and Trump.
The lawsuit also accuses Cohen of continuing the efforts to "intimidate Ms. Clifford into silence and 'shut her up'" by initiating a "bogus" arbitration proceeding last month without notifying Daniels or allowing due process.

Last month, Cohen admitted to paying $130,000 of his own money to Daniels ahead of the 2016 election, but said the Trump Organization and the campaign had no involvement. He formed a private LLC, Essential Consultants LCC, to make the payment, according to the Wall Street Journal.
https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/14/politics ... index.html
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They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby minime » Wed Mar 14, 2018 6:16 pm

82_28 » Wed Mar 14, 2018 3:43 am wrote:Shall we keep this to the clear and very present danger of TRUMP and not focus on snide personal cheesy repartees?

Did anyone see dump "inspect" his wall prototypes like an idiot dictator yesterday? Good! That's the topic.


Comment: This is the response of a petulant child. You should apologize to the adults on the forum.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Jerky » Wed Mar 14, 2018 6:18 pm

Minime, is that a joke of some kind?
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby seemslikeadream » Wed Mar 14, 2018 6:27 pm

I don't think it is ever a good idea to call 82_28 a petulant child


Stormy Daniels discussed alleged affair with Trump on 2007 radio show, host says


(CNN)Stephanie Clifford, the porn star known as Stormy Daniels, discussed her alleged affair with Donald Trump during a May 2007 radio appearance, a well-known Florida radio personality told his listeners Friday.

Bubba the Love Sponge Clem, known as Todd Clem before he legally changed his name in 1999, played portions of the interview on his radio show Friday and Monday, in which Daniels was asked to write down the names of famous men she had slept with. Clem says the first name on that list was Donald Trump. Although neither Daniels nor the host says Trump's name in the 2007 audio, she can be heard describing key details that match the description of her alleged affair with Trump.

Clem said on his nationally syndicated radio program that Daniels was talking about Trump, and later verified the same information to CNN. CNN independently corroborated the story with another person who was in Clem's studio that day, who would speak only on the condition of anonymity. That person also said Donald Trump's name was the first on Daniels' list.

This would be the earliest known instance of Daniels publicly discussing the alleged affair.

CNN obtained a full recording of Daniels' May 16, 2007, appearance, which matches the clips Clem played on air Friday.

Michael Avenatti, a lawyer for Daniels, declined to comment and said Daniels would not be commenting.

Attorney for porn star suing President claims Trump's lawyer 'further threatened' her
A spokesperson for the White House referred all questions to the President's outside lawyers. Trump's personal lawyer, Michael Cohen, did not return a request for comment. Cohen has said previously that Trump "vehemently denies" any affair.

Cohen has admitted that he used $130,000 of his own money to pay Daniels.

A lawsuit filed last week by Daniels says the money was part of a "Hush Agreement" to keep her from speaking publicly about an alleged affair with Trump. The lawsuit argues that the agreement is void because Trump never signed it.

White House press secretary Sarah Sanders told reporters last week that the matter with Trump and Daniels has been put to rest, saying, "I can share that the arbitration was won in the President's favor. I would refer you to the President's outside counsel on any details beyond that."

Clem told his listeners in January that he had removed the appearance from his archives, the website Bubba Army Radio, because he didn't want any unwanted attention in advance of an upcoming federal court case with Nielsen over alleged ratings tampering by Clem.

Clem declined to be interviewed for this story, citing a pending civil matter, but provided CNN with a statement: "This interview happened in May 2007. I only asked the questions. Stormy answered them. I wish her and our President nothing but the very best. I don't think it's that big of a deal. We need to stop worrying about the past and focus on the future. President Trump is our President, regardless of who he slept with 12 plus years ago. The media and haters need to get over it."

In the clips Clem played of the 2007 episode Friday, Daniels can be heard describing an affair she had with a wealthy man that took place in Nevada less than a year before her radio appearance. The details match with those in the lawsuit filed by Daniels last week. In that suit, Daniels alleged she had an "intimate relationship with Mr. Trump in the Summer of 2006 in Lake Tahoe and continued her relationship with Mr. Trump well into the year 2007."

"Can you write down a name and we won't say it on air, for our own personal reasons," an unidentified co-host (not Clem) says to Daniels in the 2007 appearance. "We've done this before. We won't mention it on the air. We won't say any clues."

When the name is shown, the hosts can be heard saying "no way" and "wow." An assistant of Daniels, identified by the name of Cheryl, can be heard verifying the affair happened when asked if it was true.

"Be careful on this one. Do not say a word," Clem can be heard saying, cautioning Daniels and his co-hosts to not speak the man's name.

Daniels, when asked how long the affair took place, added that it lasted "less than a year."

Later in the show, Clem plays short clips of Daniels responding to questions over the alleged affair. Daniels said the tryst took place in "Nevada, but not Vegas." At the prodding of the radio hosts she says it was in Lake Tahoe, which is where Daniels first encountered Trump at a celebrity golf tournament in 2006.

She said she found it "horribly embarrassing" that this person was the best in bed of the three people on her list and added that the person contacted her "twice a month."

She later added that there was no money exchanged.

"There was no exchange of money," said Clifford. "I'm sure if he had felt the need to graciously help me I would have put it in my purse."
Mazars and Deutsche Bank could have ended this nightmare before it started.
They could still get him out of office.
But instead, they want mass death.
Don’t forget that.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Sounder » Wed Mar 14, 2018 6:49 pm

82-28 wrote...
not focus on snide personal cheesy repartees?

Did anyone see dump "inspect" his wall prototypes like an idiot dictator yesterday? Good! That's the topic.


the second comment is amusing when following the first.

Trump is a dangerous but essentially minor cog in the misery for money machine.
All these things will continue as long as coercion remains a central element of our mentality.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Jerky » Wed Mar 14, 2018 6:55 pm

So moderators can't speak on the obvious now? They aren't allowed opinions, if those opinions don't jibe with yours? Even when it's THAT FUCKING OBVIOUS?

Or is it your contention that the sight of Trump, all puffed out and preening, touring his wall prototypes in Cali, was NOT the spitting image of a satirist's take on an idiot dictator? Because if THAT'S what you're saying...

Also, I know you've tried to claim you're "no Trump fan" in the past, but I propose that anyone who takes what 82 wrote above as some sort of affront would HAVE to have some sort of emotional or moral investment in the monster being mocked.

Or what... discussing Trump from this point forward, do we have to post every bad thing ever done by every President since Washington to avoid your peanut gallery sniping?

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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby minime » Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:03 pm

Jerky » Wed Mar 14, 2018 4:55 pm wrote:So moderators can't speak on the obvious now? They aren't allowed opinions, if those opinions don't jibe with yours? Even when it's THAT FUCKING OBVIOUS?

Or is it your contention that the sight of Trump, all puffed out and preening, touring his wall prototypes in Cali, was NOT the spitting image of a satirist's take on an idiot dictator? Because if THAT'S what you're saying...

Also, I know you've tried to claim you're "no Trump fan" in the past, but I propose that anyone who takes what 82 wrote above as some sort of affront would HAVE to have some sort of emotional or moral investment in the monster being mocked.

Or what... discussing Trump from this point forward, do we have to post every bad thing ever done by every President since Washington to avoid your peanut gallery sniping?

J.


Your post is immediately after Sounder's but seems to be addressing me. Please advise.
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby Rory » Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:11 pm

The default assumption is that's it's intended to be offensive to everyone, no least themselves
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Re: TRUMP is seriously dangerous

Postby cptmarginal » Wed Mar 14, 2018 7:12 pm

Words on a screen.


This is aimed at precisely those who think it is a trite and facile observation, or an insincere condescension. Actually it is a friendly reminder, or an alarm bell, meant to draw attention to unnecessary suffering. Anyway, carry on. :clown
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