Rhetoric and the art of Collaborative Discussion

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Re: Rhetoric and the art of Collaborative Discussion

Postby peartreed » Sun Apr 22, 2018 11:13 pm

FWIW

My guideline in life is to try to respect the individuality of others - and their right to that individuality. For me, tolerance has paid endless dividends in human kindness.

I’ve already explained that I come here for the news and views, and I enjoy both, especially the diverse and varied exchanges between insightful and intelligent minds who offer informed but provocative perspectives on the issues and current events. The dynamics of stimulating discussion and intellects fosters learning.

By contrast, what I object to, is the immature, specious, gratuitous, ad hominem attacks on the people posting instead of – or as well as - the actual post content. Most of us left that in the schoolyard, in the bar, on the street corner or at other sites catering to immature, antisocial, egocentric ignoramuses participating for sadistic sport and attention. Such sick action is readily available everywhere else online.

Over the years at RI I’ve been inspired by Jeff Wells’ call to find and expose the substrata of forces manipulating every aspect of government, commerce and society with a hidden agenda, secret alliance or conspiratorial connections that are kept from the public - starting with 911 and continuing unchecked, as long as indifference allows and exposure remains contained. This gathering was once somewhat united in that quest for clarity of what was actually going on. It was also effective in prying open the curtains.

The key in the uncovering of corruption began with sharing the evidence of it. I couldn’t care less what volume or frequency of data was presented in posts as long as it was data relevant to the objective of informing this gathering of such corruption, locally, regionally, nationally and worldwide. We can all take it from there and kick it around here. I admire the efforts of the most prolific providers.
I couldn’t care less about their personal proclivities or petty idiosyncrasies.

What has recently inspired me to leave are the bullying bots, trolls and curmudgeons focused on cruel, interpersonal shit disturbing simply for kicks. It kills the enjoyment of the search for meaningful answers, but also illustrates the mean-spirited nature of corruption everywhere.
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Re: Rhetoric and the art of Collaborative Discussion

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Apr 23, 2018 7:16 am

it's the tribe of the bullies ....they want to shut down information they do not like .......information that deeply offends them...they work very hard at it ...it is their mission...there is no other reason.......they have admitted it...it's what they spend all their time doing.....personally attacking other members here instead of just posting what is of interest to them

there is no way they will bully me off this board and that is a fact that I am sure deeply offends them...bless their little hearts and dead websites

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Rhetoric and the art of Collaborative Discussion

yea there is an art to what they do......there is an art to masking a personal attack

Postby Belligerent Savant » Sun Apr 22, 2018 7:34 am

(when it actuality it's part of an elaborate stage/prop)

Postby Belligerent Savant » Sun Apr 22, 2018 7:34 am
You're the 'Marlon' of RI, aren't you, peartreed?

Postby Belligerent Savant » Sun Apr 22, 2018 7:34 am
(I place 'best friend' in quotes, because --- spoiler alert -- turns out Truman's best friend was actually an actor playing the role of his friend

Postby Belligerent Savant » Sun Apr 22, 2018 7:34 am
Oh yes: Truman's 'best friend' would always be cued to enter the 'scene' just as Truman was beginning to suspect something was awry,

Postby Belligerent Savant » Sun Apr 22, 2018 7:34 am
Care to spin another one up for us?


oh you can be offended but no one else can be? What else do you do here but wring your hands and clap for Mac?

Postby streeb » Sun Apr 22, 2018 7:58 pm
Me, for one. Given that so much of what he/she/they posts is deeply offensive.

Postby streeb » Sun Apr 22, 2018 7:58 pm
What else do you do except wring your hands over the terrible standards of discourse that are so offensive to you here?)


Postby streeb » Sun Apr 22, 2018 7:58 pm
whenever I can ever make it through their ... how to say? Shit.


Mac got suspended again because your good friend is a serial abusing bully who's posts Jeff once designated as vulgar thuggery not quite the same as your description........wittiest and most passionate voice but please do go on with your undying love for a thug...your devotion to Mac is duly noted...I've looked at your posts ....it seems that is the very reason you decided to come back here after 4 years...I see no Collaborative Discussion coming from you whatsoever

Jeff never called my posts vulgar thuggery.....Jeff invited me here before this site went up knowing full well how I posted and what I posted about....Jeff never suspended me in the 10 years he was here although since the full court press personal attacks against me started 2 years ago I have been suspended because I retaliated against personal attacks

Postby streeb » Sun Apr 22, 2018 7:58 pm
Funny how the self-appointed priesthood of RI's "conscience" becomes so vocal whenever the wittiest and most passionate voice here gets suspended again


there is a great hate thread up and running I suggest you stay in that one....it suits you




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Re: Rhetoric and the art of Collaborative Discussion

Postby peartreed » Mon Apr 23, 2018 11:28 am

There’s another factor, I think, in the board bullies and bad-mouthing members.

At least the last two or more generations were raised with the pastime of playing board games, video games and internet games online that involved a contest or challenge between “good guys” and “bad guys” – black and white opponents – with the game’s objective of “winning” by destroying one another en route to victory. It’s also enhanced by sport enthusiasts who see the game as contest of competing skills. Their purpose seems to be simply to "score points" against the imagined adversary on the board and rack up a higher score to "win".

I think many kids today, and immature adults, are conditioned to compete that way and seek gratification in leisure time by “fighting” online for sport and amusement. They mistake a discussion board as another game for competing egos where their opposition and critics must also be the bad guys they need to attack for victory. They turn the exchanges into a pissing contest of personalities instead of issues.

This becomes especially evident when they cannot grasp the art of conversation and appreciating differing opinions, subtleties, nuance and tolerance of new ideas that don’t fit their formative world view, where they remain the hero under fire. So they strike out to establish their position and challenge all who don’t conform to it. Then it becomes a battle where they align with other such bullies disrupting that.

They miss the simplicity of the game and the clarity of competing forces towards a victorious finish. They don’t know how to actually socialize and play well with others. Everything becomes an acrimonious contest of egos and performance.
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Re: Rhetoric and the art of Collaborative Discussion

Postby Belligerent Savant » Mon Apr 23, 2018 3:33 pm

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peartreed » Sun Apr 22, 2018 3:18 pm wrote:Thanks SLAD and Iamwhomiam.

Re BS:

Who I remind you of is about as interesting to me as most of your insights, Belligerent Savant. I’ve already granted your persona the belligerent tag but the savant needs work. Don’t quit your day job to set up a booth at a psychic fair reading tea leaves, palms, horoscopes or telepathic fondling of crystal balls.

Your expressed hobby of watching old comedy movies and imagining yourself as the hero is probably the healthiest use of your fantasies, as opposed to forum psychoanalysis and character studies designed to stir the pot and your crock.

Your dog piling on AD with your fellow trollers is also becoming tiresome and should involve the distribution of doggy bags for all of you to clean up your act.


Careful now, peartreed -- those 'pot shots' are beginning to resemble the behavior you clamor so vociferously against here.

Hypocrisy, much?

Also, as I indicated to AD in another thread, repeating a word or phrase does not make it true. This nonsense about "bullying" is exactly that: nonsense.

Apparently expecting direct responses to direct questions is now considering bullying? Did I miss a conditioning program? Have you all been replaced with enhanced bots?

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seemslikeadream » Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:16 am wrote:it's the tribe of the bullies ....they want to shut down information they do not like


Wrong on both counts. We are asking questions that remain un-answered. Please find a dictionary that defines bullying as "asking pointed questions and expecting a response". Also, don't flatter yourself: there is nothing in the information you've been bombarding us with that warrants any desire or interest in "shut down". The overwhelming majority of the content you've been pasting here, particularly in the last 2 years, have been pulled directly from standard mainstream websites. Google News can do the same. A shame it's come to this.

As Elvis alluded earlier, and to reiterate: you can post whatever you like, but don't expect some of us to absorb it at face-value the way you (and some others) apparently do.
We will challenge content that warrants challenge; rightfully so.


seemslikeadream » Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:16 am wrote:
.......information that deeply offends them...


You actually elicited a loud, hearty chuckle out of me, SLAD -- I believe that's the first time I've reacted that way to your words. Well done.

Again, there is NOTHING offensive about banal content, other than the fact that it gets posted here in RI.

seemslikeadream » Mon Apr 23, 2018 6:16 am wrote:there is no way they will bully me off this board and that is a fact that I am sure deeply offends them...bless their little hearts and dead websites



Delusions. No one is attempting to bully you off this board, SLAD. By all means, continue to act as amplifier/echo chamber to mainstream content. Participants in this board -- despite your odd/sad attempts to showcase otherwise by pasting metrics at the bottom of some of your comments -- have dwindled dramatically over the years due in part to the reduction of rigor and intuition, facilitated by the REAMS of pasted material dumped into this forum that reduces the potential for free-flow discussion (copy/pasted content, in moderation, to support a talking/point or discussion is NOT the problem, to be clear). Indeed, when some of us attempt to seek clarity, or challenge the CONTENT, we are either ignored (a la AD) or essentially brushed off with a "get off my lawn" response ("you don't like it, start your own thread!" -- classic SLAD).

Pat yourselves on the back.
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Re: Rhetoric and the art of Collaborative Discussion

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Apr 23, 2018 4:49 pm

Truman Show? Mr. Shadey!


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You actually elicited a loud, hearty chuckle out of me, SLAD


my bold my red ...I guess you didn't see this?

Postby streeb » Sun Apr 22, 2018 7:58 pm
Me, for one. Given that so much of what he/she/they posts is deeply offensive.



I don't expect any thing from you


no one here has to answer to you for anything get over yourself

Delusions......yea there are some delusions around here and you should take a look at yourself


so funny just the other day you denied what you are doing right now .....so very very funny you do it all the time and you are doing it right now so stop denying the obvious

you go after peartree because he what!!!!!~! uses his own words!!!!!!

you have every right not to read what I post

Postby streeb » Sun Apr 22, 2018 7:58 pm
Me, for one. Given that so much of what he/she/they posts is deeply offensive.


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Re: Rhetoric and the art of Collaborative Discussion

Postby Burnt Hill » Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:07 pm

Nah most people leave here because they come in unprepared and get hammered.
Or they have grown tired of the aggressive rhetoric.
Shouldn't base an argument on these type of assumptions anyway.

I don't understand the necessity to conform to the patterns of discourse here, by any individual.

If a topic warrants discussion then other members should contribute too!
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Re: Rhetoric and the art of Collaborative Discussion

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:09 pm

if someone DARES to stick up for AD ....HE WILL FEEL THE WRATH OF THE Belligerent Savant!!


That's why people have left here ...the bullying that goes on
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Re: Rhetoric and the art of Collaborative Discussion

Postby Belligerent Savant » Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:10 pm

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hubris.
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Re: Rhetoric and the art of Collaborative Discussion

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:11 pm

BS

so it is just fine streeb comes out of nowhere after 4 years of not posting to defend you and Mac but peartree can not have his own mind without this crap!

Pure shaded BS CRAPPOLA because someone DARED to stick up for AD

Belligerent Savant » Sun Apr 22, 2018 7:34 am wrote:.

I just realized who you remind me of, peartreed.

Ever catch that movie The Truman Show? It's great satire, and quite prescient. In the film, Truman's "best friend", named 'Marlon' (I place 'best friend' in quotes, because --- spoiler alert -- turns out Truman's best friend was actually an actor playing the role of his friend; Truman's town is part of an elaborate hoax, you see.. He's actually unknowingly in a TV show! Brilliant stuff)... where was I?
Oh yes: Truman's 'best friend' would always be cued to enter the 'scene' just as Truman was beginning to suspect something was awry, to ensure Truman remains sold on the fallacy that the town around him -- and the inhabitants therein -- are indeed genuine (when in actuality it's part of an elaborate stage/prop).

You're the 'Marlon' of RI, aren't you, peartreed?

In any event, I'd love to see another display of your witty alliteration! Whaddya say? Care to spin another one up for us?
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Re: Rhetoric and the art of Collaborative Discussion

Postby Burnt Hill » Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:25 pm

Belligerent Savant wrote:We are asking questions that remain un-answered.


So ask away on the appropriate thread.

If they are legitimate questions then I am sure that others besides the contributor will answer!

Of course the questions should be directed at the content, not the contributor.

In fact I am curious, what are one of the un-answered questions?

If you are asking questions that only AD can answer, and he does not, then you are shit out of luck and should move on.
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Re: Rhetoric and the art of Collaborative Discussion

Postby Belligerent Savant » Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:29 pm

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I amused myself typing it. I imagine others enjoyed it as well.

Don't clutch your pearls too tightly, now, SLAD.

Surely y'all aren't this fragile.. I mean, I appreciate the theatrics of it all, but we're all adults, and should be well-equipped to defend ourselves here. The mods take care of the egregious content, otherwise each member, as a functioning adult, should be able to defend/add clarity to any/all material one posts here.

It's simple, really.
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Re: Rhetoric and the art of Collaborative Discussion

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:30 pm

I'm clutching something in my mind BS and they are not pearls
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Re: Rhetoric and the art of Collaborative Discussion

Postby Jerky » Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:31 pm

Exactly, Burnt.

This whole "we just want our questions answered" gambit sounds an awful lot like "we just want to talk about ethics in videogame journalism" to me.

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Re: Rhetoric and the art of Collaborative Discussion

Postby Jerky » Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:31 pm

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seemslikeadream » 23 Apr 2018 21:30 wrote:I'm clutching something in my mind BS and they are not pearls
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Re: Rhetoric and the art of Collaborative Discussion

Postby Jerky » Mon Apr 23, 2018 5:35 pm

And when someone tells you "You are not someone with whom I wish to have a conversation, so leave me alone", you should accept their decision and move on.

It's simple, really.

Surely y'all aren't this fragile? I mean, I appreciate the theatrics of it all, but weère all adults here, and should be well-equipped to deal with this sort of thwarted desire.

Belligerent Savant » 23 Apr 2018 21:29 wrote:.

I amused myself typing it. I imagine others enjoyed it as well.

Don't clutch your pearls too tightly, now, SLAD.

Surely y'all aren't this fragile.. I mean, I appreciate the theatrics of it all, but we're all adults, and should be well-equipped to defend ourselves here. The mods take care of the egregious content, otherwise each member, as a functioning adult, should be able to defend/add clarity to any/all material one posts here.

It's simple, really.
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