The Latest Kayfabe: Anonymous NYT Op Ed

[Wombaticus Rex]

you know who hasn't leaked? Robert Mueller so at this point you have no idea what you are talking about Ms. Johnstone

Mueller has been orchestrating hundreds of leaks since he started, though ... that's the state of play and he's an experienced operator. Per the rest, I'll pass that along to Caitlin.

Edited to add: "Yeah, wrestling may be fake ... but GOLDBERG IS FOR REAL!!!"

[seemslikeadream]

of course we all can say stuff but can't prove it ....as you say

can you prove that it is Mueller that is leaking and could you please posts some of those leaks? 25 out of hundreds would suffice

I am VERY interested in what leaks you are talking about

Gooliania is leaking like a sieve that's for sure

I'll take a pass on Ms. C....she is a nothing burger

the thing is you left out of your post all the rest....you see I THINK the stuff you ignored or took a pass on is important even though you do not....... exemplified by your dismissive short hand pass on post.....

orchestrating hundreds of leaks

posted with no proof or examples .... jokingly offering to pass it along to Ms. C...I have no illusions that she would change her mind about anything ...she has her agenda mirroring RT headlines

evidence would have been picked up by the sprawling surveillance networks of the US and its allies

evidence WAS picked up by the Dutch....they have the photos and the tapes

evidence of treason (just because we are at war and no one is noticing does not mean we are not at war) was not going to be leaked to the press ....this isn't about a campaign violation

this is about the largest political scandal in the history of this country...it is not about shoplifting

ask Manafort about those gaping plot holes, insinuation, innuendo.......he is as we speak now cooperating with Mueller so he will not spend the rest of his life in jail...you know who Manafort is don't you trump's campaign manager

as General Yellowkerk trump's NSA who is STILL cooperating with Mueller and has not been sentenced yet

you know who hasn't leaked? Robert Mueller so at this point you have no idea what you are talking about Ms. Johnstone

oh that C. Johnstone she's one smart cookie

trump must have practiced for hours to get that fake slur down pat.....he is one smart cookie


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dG8r_z5yukE

as we speak we have un elected staff and a general running this country


Lindsey Graham's emails were also hacked but nothing public about that ...need a reason for blackmail?


see RT headline?......funny you could have wrote that......that trial was NOT about Russia ...but his next trial will be and that is why he is now cooperating

First 'Russiagate' trial shaking? Jury slow to reach Manafort verdict
https://www.rt.com/usa/436499-manafort- ... iberation/

guess what he was convicted and is now a felon...just like Gates....Flynn (he was conspiring to build nuclear power plants with Russia and having the US military guard them) ....George Papadopoulos.....Richard Pinedo....Alex Van der Zwaan...Cohen

for god's sake even Glenn Greenwald has seen the light

now regarded the indictments as genuine evidence of Russian hacking—the first he’d seen in two years. To think otherwise, he said, “you’d pretty much have to believe that Mueller and his team fabricated it all out of whole cloth, which I don’t believe is likely.”

watch out there's a storm a comin' next week


trump echoes the same talking points and disinformation as RT and Putin.....funny that

do you think Maria Butina was just over here for a pajama party?

Trump will undoubtedly face impeachment, says Watergate attorney
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 28241.html

damn I forgot to get in the NRA

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[Wombaticus Rex]

This is really the perfect thread to do this. As our dynamic in recent weeks has shown, you're not here discussing, you're here to interrogate us -- how dare we not take this as seriously as you do?

You're angry I wouldn't address your entire post, so you repost the entire thing. Like I owe you that -- like anyone here owes you that.

I would much rather you accuse me of lying than indulge you with a link-filled analysis of the past year, with a focus on the timing of anonymously sourced posts. Especially since - exquisite irony - I'd be referencing material you've already posted here, often dozens of times. And as we both know: you won't believe a word it.

Bob Mueller is a veteran fixer, coverup engineer, and a DC insider. "Bob Mueller the boy scout" is every bit as real as Pope Francis The Good Guy, as Kamala Harris The Brave Progressive, or Donald Trump, Successful Businessman.

Actors on TV.

Edited to add: SHOCKER: El Wombat SHOOTS on Madman Mueller! MUST SEE

[seemslikeadream]

as usual

you stated a fact now prove it and you can't so you deflect... chose not to give me at least 25 examples of leaks out of hundreds .....and instead start your latest what I think of SLaD

I am interrogating Ms. C....that's who I was addressing

what you left out of your reply is as important to me as what you decided to hone in on and post facts that are not proven ...and that's allowed ..I think....I will wait to see another rule change here

you owe me nothing but you continue to make stuff up about me...I am not angry I am miffed by your drive by post

I can't catch a break with you....

As our dynamic in recent weeks

I didn't post any pics...check....I didn't post any long c/ps....check ...I didn't post off topic...check... used my own words....check....now it is posting just links that are the problem......so lets move on to another SLaD annoyance of yours ..I mean there is ALWAYS something wrong with what I post...I am trying very hard to comply with your standards but you always are moving the goal posts ...I am starting to think after 10 years you just don't like me

make a list of your grievances and pm it to me and then I can reference that I received it in another post

and I will work passionately on the rest of your jeremiads

it always does amuse me who and what you find annoying and what you give a pass on


one last reply to Ms. C because Germans could learn a thing or two from her and then I am done with this thread unless someone wants to address something to me again (personal style or substance whatever) I probably will reply

Germans are more scared of Trump than terrorism, poll finds

More than two-thirds of citizens in Germany believe US president ‘making the world a more dangerous place’
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 27636.html

[Belligerent Savant]

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The Germans likely would have felt the same of any current sitting President. As far as the rest of the world is concerned, it's the System in the U.S. they rightly fear, regardless of talking figurehead currently at bat.

Kayfabe all around. The style may well shift per actor, but end results remain the same, eventually.

After Trump finishes his 2nd term in office, the next mouthpiece will be propped up, likely fashioned as a remedial option to the prior 8 yrs. Optics to pacify the consumer.

As for Mueller -- we have a thread that covers healthy dollops of his historical antics. Have you taken a look at it yet?

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=41194&hilit=Mueller

Punching holes through relatively easy targets as Johnstone does not in any way change the fact we are, indeed, getting played. And Trump's a player, along with many others on both sides of the illusory aisle.

[dada]

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As far as the rest of the world is concerned, it's the System in the U.S. they rightly fear, regardless of talking figurehead currently at bat.

I think this is a conclusion that is arrived at through a Western bias, though. Can only be reached by attempting to look at things from the rest of the world's perspective, through a Western lens.

[peartreed]

We’re all “being played”. We have been since Day One. Kayfabe is our assignment.

Religion divided things up between good and evil. Parents defined our good or bad behavior. Entertainment stories separated the good guys from the bad guys. School often taught us lessons as right or wrong. Business success was clearly black or white. Advertising pushes a yes or no choice on brand buying and consumption of products and services. Our medical condition is healthy or not. So is our mind. Our positions on issues are pro or con, and now politics divides our preferences and alliances as left or right. Thus all of our resulting ideals and ideologies are force-fed conditioning by rote. We survive while we are alive until the end, when we are dead.

Behind each of these “playing of players”, like a grand play, are producers, directors, actors, audiences and a script. Conspiracists see the orchestrators as evil. Team players on either side worship them as authorities. Very few of the audience or production crew detects much middle or grey ground between extremes. Even fewer see the larger picture behind the scenes and screens – The Grand Plan.

The result is that we’re all convinced our opinions are entirely our own, independently arrived at, derived by our intelligent observations of it all. None of us concede that we are just a manipulated result. We congratulate our own critical thinking and unique insights. We flaunt our academic achievements and success. Our egos rest upon the lofty culmination of all we have experienced and “learned”.

And we attack, ridicule, deride, denounce and dismiss opposite views, conflicting ideas, different behaviors and the non-compliance with our world view as the bad “others”. Tolerance and peaceful coexistence go against our ingrained grain.

But those who have glimpsed The Grand Plan have enlightened empathy and tolerance and understanding of the other. Simply because they, too, are us. Just like the NYT Op-Ed admits! The enemy is within and we have to work it out together.

[Belligerent Savant]

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As far as the rest of the world is concerned, it's the System in the U.S. they rightly fear, regardless of talking figurehead currently at bat.

I think this is a conclusion that is arrived at through a Western bias, though. Can only be reached by attempting to look at things from the rest of the world's perspective, through a Western lens.

Do you have friends or acquaintances from other parts of the world, dada? I have close family, friends and co-workers that live in Europe, Latin America, and Asia. My statement above, and my overall sentiment, takes into account the perspectives/unsolicited comments they offer. In addition, I've traveled to Europe and Latin America numerous times since childhood and have observed, first-hand, sentiments of those OUTSIDE America. My line of work has also afforded me opportunity for travel in Asia and Eastern Europe (among other locales) as well.

My overall exposure to disparate cultures inform my overall view of the world we inhabit.


Peartreed: I assure you that I very much consider "opposing views" . Opposing views (at least compared to mine) are PERVASIVE in our current culture. As SLAD prodigiously showcases, the "opposing view" is what permeates the mainstream and is fed to us perpetually via myriad media channels. I have dedicated ample time over the years considering 'opposing views' as a means to formulate my own.

Ultimately, however, a 'viewpoint' is irrelevant if it doesn't measure up to objective analysis.

I would hope those who clamor for consideration of "opposing views" are themselves absorbing and considering views in opposition to theirs prior to formulating a stance, needless to say.

And even then, any stance should be regularly challenged, particularly in this zeitgeist.

I type again:

Any stance should be regularly challenged and tested. My views today are not what they were 5 years ago. Or 5 years before that.

(You'll have to forgive my pendantic prose here, but apparently it bears spelling out given the presumptions on display)

[82_28]

"Well" said, peartreed. I always feel semi stupid linking to songs and shit in order to make a point, but, nothing really "works on me" I don't think. Here is why and I actually chalk it up to a single song I listened to over and over and over from a very young age.

From the Cradle to the Grave

Well they took you from your mother's womb and put you in a school
Told you how to run your life by following the rules
Told you not to pick your nose or disrespect the queen
Scrub your teeth three times a day keep mind and body clean
Save up all your pocket money, nothing is for free
And you'd better trust your parents cos there's no one else you see
And then they send you off each day remember what you're told
"You may think you don't need teaching but you'll need it when you're old"

And if you're too intelligent they'll cut you down to size
They'll praise you til you're happy then they'll fill you full of lies
Cos intelligence is threatening and genius is sin
If you could ever see through them they know they'd never win

So they channel your ability into the right direction
If you're good enough and rich enough you can be a politician
On the other hand if your too thick they'll tell you that you're lazy
They'll put you down and wind you up until it drives you crazy

They'll say you ought to learn a trade to help you in your life
Success is written in three parts: A job, a house, a wife
They'll say that school prepares you for the awesome world outside
Well it certainly gives you bigotry and patriotic pride

Racism, sexism teacher to class
From school to work remains the sameare you white and middle class?

You'll learn that bad men dress in black and good men dress in white
And the pamphlets in the playground say that's right
And that girls were made for housework and boys were made to fight
And the naughty pictures on page 3 make everything alright

And so from school to the outside world these morals you will take
And unless you can reject them you'll have your mind at stake

They'll give you a decision when you get to 18, too
The right to vote for someone else who says he cares for you
But the only thing he cares about is getting to the top
By conning you with empty words that promise you a lot
But the end result is slavery to a false set of ideals
You'll be tempted to believe them cos they'll seem so very real
The slavery of attitudes that make you keep in line
Subconsciously devoted to the morals of our time

And when you end up on the dole which you very likely will
They'll offer you a brand new trade: Learning how to kill

Why don't you join the army? Be a man and not a fool
There's someone else to think for you just like there was at school

They'll promise you absolution from the murders you'll commit
In the name of god and country they can get away with it
They fill you full of orders and promise you rewards
Like busting up your family by sending you abroad
A holiday in Germany or Iceland or Hong Kong
Making money being useless well it seems it can't go wrong
But then it's off to Northern Ireland where you'll practice what they preached
You'll shoot to keep yourself alive and kill to keep the peace
And then it won't be so much fun as you hear the wounded crying
Cos before they couldn't speak english and you didn't know what they were saying
But when the children call you "Bastard" it will make you think again
When you cannot tell the difference between animals and men

Animals don't wear uniforms but they kill as much as you
But the army kills for money and animals kill for food
It's the basest degredation in the name of what is right
Become something you never were and regret it til you die

Cos your father will tell you "Sonny, you must do as you are told"
And you'll say the same thing to your kids when you're 32 years old
And unless you can react against the brainwash from the start
Your government will rule your mind and your mind will rule your heart
You'll conform to every social law and be the system's slave
From birth to school to work to death, from the cradle to the grave.....

I hate to say it, but I literally programmed myself with that song when I was young. I still listen to it all the time. Why I do? I don't know. Memories, nostalgia, reality? Anyway, I feel like I have been impervious to propaganda from youth. Due to the racism and overall unlimited corruption, I am behind any force no matter how fake our leaders may be or accused of being, getting rid of this motherfucker in any way, I am down with. Existentially it must be done.

[dada]

Do you have friends or acquaintances from other parts of the world, dada?

No. In fact, I don't have friends or acquaintances at all. ha

When you ask me this question, I know exactly what game you're trying to play, and I have to laugh. You've misunderstood me. I wasn't talking about geographic location. "The West" isn't a geographic location, it's just a state of mind.

Anyway there's no need to take it personally, it's just my opinion. I guess qualifying my comment with "I think" wasn't enough to make that clear. I should've finished the comment with "in my opinion" to reiterate that it's just, you know, my opinion. Just my opinion, about your opinion.

I see everyone trying to work it all out, figure out their respective trips. I support that. I'm just playing a different game.

You know, six billion people on the planet, and I'm one of them. So what? Societies and cultures come and go. That's alright. I'm not a part of this or that. I can't speak for anyone else. My family is of a different kind.

But I don't expect anyone to understand that. How could they? So here, I come from a different place. I show a certain way of thinking. Giving by example, as I said on another thread recently, I forget which. Maybe questioning consciousness thread. The content isn't what's important, it's the form. Just a different game.

[Belligerent Savant]

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Your perspective is always welcome, dada -- appreciate the added context, and by all means, continue as you do.


(You don't need me to tell you that, of course.)

[peartreed]

My own world view has been influenced by literally viewing the world. The first fifteen years of my career was with an airline, where I flew regularly to five continents and eighteen countries on a circuit to review local advertising campaigns with hired ad agencies. This involved studying research, markets, demographics and psychographics of the local population in each area in order to determine their triggers for persuasion to travel. It also required spending time with each of every area’s diverse population in order to understand their attitudes and preferences.

The second half of my career was with the film & television industry making feature films, episodic t.v., movies-of-the-week (MOWs) and related promotional material. I worked on dozens of projects as a crew member, a writer and a performer as well as ending up in an executive role for one of the many industry organizations. The product was also promoted worldwide using advertising, marketing and persuasive propaganda. That career was also contingent on understanding audiences and issues. The benefit of international acumen taught me people are alike everywhere.

82_28 the Cradle to the Grave song and lyrics hit the mark I earlier attempted to convey, that we are all manipulated and played for a predetermined part but we can also take a step back and see the bigger picture of the actual game for what it is.

BS I agree we need to regularly test opposing views with objective analysis, yet I think many of us are only seeking confirmation bias to reinforce our own predeterminations, as opposed to truly considering the merits of other views. My main objection isn’t the prior beliefs so much as their aggressive imposition with critical denigration of others. The whole world is guilty of that divide and conquer.

As a resident of both Canada and the USA, as well as a world traveler like yourself, I get to see the American political drama from an outsiders perspective. Most recently Trump has gleefully threatened Canada with “ruination” through taxing car exports if we don’t cave to his NAFTA demands, or the agreement’s cancellation. His inconsiderate bullying is exactly the kind of damage to relationships that happens as well on an individual basis with similar egocentric and selfish imposition of will.

While we will all nevertheless continue to carry on with our lives without changing much, despite our regularly testing opposing views objectively, I hope some of us start to act like world citizens with a responsibility to have more empathy for others. We can only do that by first examining ourselves and the origins of our bias. Maybe then we can begin to influence world leaders to do the same for our survival.

[Belligerent Savant]

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Peartreed - I will read your response in full when time allows, but will briefly chime in to say that we (by 'we' I mean RI forum members and observers) are far more in agreement rather than disagreement -- at least at the macro-level -- over our current state of (global) affairs.

Frustrations/disturbances abound at the moment; inevitable, given our current orange-hued figurehead at the helm.

[Wombaticus Rex]

McMahon Family Rules is becoming a popular lens for political analysis. This is, perhaps, Eric Weinstein's greatest contribution to society so far.

https://spectator.org/senate-democrats-go-full-wwe/

Senator Cory Booker managed to outdo them all in violating Senate norms. He announced a unilateral decision to publicize post-9/11 documents regarding airport security that he described as marked confidential. He welcomed efforts to expel him from the Senate and grandiosely labeled his actions in the tradition of “civil disobedience.” The grandstanding left Bill Burck, the man overseeing the release of Bush-era documents, befuddled. “We were surprised to learn about Senator Booker’s histrionics this morning because we had already told him he could use the documents publicly,” Burck explained in a statement. “In fact, we have said yes to every request made by the Senate Democrats to make documents public.”

[Belligerent Savant]

^^^^^^^^
Satire is no longer possible/necessary with displays like this.

Then again, the RI 'think tank' have already covered similar topics years before:


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