New Leads In The Johnny Gosch Case
Postby seemslikeadream » Thu May 26, 2005 12:19 am
New photo up on The Johnny Gosch Foundation site
Postby seemslikeadream » Thu Feb 28, 2008 4:30 pm
Sat Feb-19-05 05:51 PM
Here is a new wrinkle on the Gannongate story...
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Mon Feb-21-05 07:03 PM
(Continued) "Here is a new wrinkle on the Gannongate story..."
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Tue Feb-22-05 08:59 PM
(Continued 3) Gannongate wrinkles
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Mon Feb-28-05 09:49 PM
Gannongate wrinkles - Part 4 (Continued)
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Gannongate Wrinkles Part 5
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Marionumber1 » 24 May 2018 02:23 wrote:Many people here are probably familiar with the abduction of Johnny Gosch...
When Franklin victim Paul Bonacci came forward with an account of Johnny's abduction, he said that Johnny's body was transferred into a van. This was taken by Noreen Gosch as crucial validation of Bonacci's story, since, according to her, her private investigators had interviewed a witness who made such a sighting years before Bonacci came forward. You can hear her talk about this in various interviews, such as her early 2000s interview with Ted Gunderson. Many people, for whatever reason, have dismissed Noreen's account about the van or suggested that her private investigators were making up nonexistent leads to keep getting paid. But what's very interesting is that a key witness interviewed on the highly-dubious Faded Out podcast appears to have inadvertently confirmed the sighting.
Chris Birge was interviewed by the host Sarah DiMeo in late June 2018. He was a former paperboy, just 10 years old when Johnny was abducted, and made claims about Johnny's movements that morning which contradicted all prior witness accounts. Whereas neighbor Lawrence Hedlin, fellow paperboy Mike Seskis, and father of a fellow paperboy John Rossi all made statements to police back in 1982 indicating that Johnny picked up his papers at the intersection of 42nd Street and Ashworth Road, Chris insisted that Johnny actually got his papers one block north at the intersection of 42nd and Marcourt Lane. Taking Chris's account as factual, the sighting of a strange Latino man in a blue car approaching Johnny would be irrelevant to the case because the boy would be someone else who got mistaken for Johnny.
The likelihood of all of these witnesses who went on record with police immediately after the abduction being wrong and this never-before-aired account being right is pretty low, so Chris doesn't have a whole lot of credibility. Amusingly, in Faded Out's last addendum to Season 1, you can hear how Sarah finally began questioning Chris's story after hearing that one of her other witnesses Yellow Bag spoke to John Rossi and found Rossi credible; Chris became very incensed and he had a falling out with Sarah. Of course, the reason for Chris not to be telling the truth is unclear: he could be lying or just mistaken. However, there's something very interesting about his account which makes him a bit suspicious.
Noreen Gosch, despite talking about the van sighting several times, has never stated where it was seen. But in 2016 she appeared on the FAWcast and gave enough geographical clues to deduce where it is. She has, in many of her interviews about Johnny's abduction, referred to how after grabbing Johnny on Marcourt Lane, the blue car ran the stop sign and turned left onto 42nd Street, which was north towards the interstate. Listen to the FAWcast starting at 20:00 where Noreen discusses the neighborhood witness who saw a van parked on the street with its motor running, a blue car drive up, its passengers transfer a large object to the van, and then the van and car both drive off. She says that the van turned right and headed "back north again towards the interstate". It is reasonable to infer from that description of the van's movements that it turned right onto 42nd Street and continued north in that direction. So from which street did it turn onto 42nd Street?
Here is a map of the area where Johnny was taken. The nearest interstate to the north, and the only one within West Des Moines, is I-235. Between Marcourt and I-235, there are only two roads connected to 42nd from which you could turn right onto 42nd and head north: Woodland Avenue and Lexington Plaza. It can be verified through street view that Lexington Plaza is not a real street, but rather a private road that's part of the nearby apartment complexes. That leaves Woodland Avenue as almost certainly being the road where the van was sighted according to Noreen.
Now, according to Chris Birge in his Faded Out interview, his deliveries were to the apartments near Woodland Avenue and his paper pickup spot was in fact at the intersection of 42nd and Woodland, exactly where the van would have made its getaway. So he would have been in a prime position to witness the van. Did he see it?
On July 19, 2018, Chris made a bizarre comment in the Faded Out group:Kendra Cassidy I heard about the van from the doc. I was there that morning on the corner of 42 and woodland ave when and where the van was supposed to be. I did not see it. What are the names of the witnesses who saw the van? Can you provide names or just facts you assume you know? Where did you get your info. Your info seems wrong. Thank you for ASSUMING. That really helps everybody
Chris Birge claims he did not see the van that morning. But his statement raises a very important question: how exactly does Chris know where the van "was supposed to be"? The documentary Who Took Johnny, where he claims to have heard about the van, made no mention of the van; and literally no treatment of the Gosch case has ever mentioned the specific location of the van as being at 42nd and Woodland. Chris attributes his knowledge to a source that did not even mention the van, there is no known source out there which ever gave the van's location, and yet he got it exactly right. Furthermore, that location just happens to be where he was delivering his papers on the morning of the abduction.
While this doesn't definitively prove anything, I find Chris's unexplained knowledge about the van's location to be highly suspect. It seems that he either knows it from his own personal experience -- i.e. he saw it that morning -- or he received inside knowledge about Noreen's private investigation from somebody (who?). The former is interesting because Noreen claims that P.J. Smith, another witness to the events that morning, saw a lot more than was initially claimed in news accounts and was forced by the police chief to suppress his statement. If Chris saw something inconvenient, like multiple vehicles coordinating the transfer of some large object within minutes of Johnny's abduction, he may have received similar treatment to P.J. Smith. And perhaps that police intimidation to an impressionable 10-year-old explains the dubious story he now tells on the podcast.
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