French Uprising of December 2018

[JackRiddler]

Sounder's airing out the Alt-Right identity politics.

All Sweden is outraged at the failure of their national broadcaster to use the phrase exterminate the brutes radical Islamic terrorism. They can barely get any sleep.

Anyone who reads and understands what Sounder posts here is being uncharitable. Please don't read it, or understand it.

He has no time for you, he's got finer things to do. You are Globalists and Antifa, obviously. Show your Soros checks.

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[Sounder]

OK, last response.

So I use a little allegory that happens to sinc up with regular life and you feel the need to mock me for it. You are a nut, brilliant, but a nut and therefor an idiot.The attempt was to put the onus on myself to learn how to hit the right note. I try to be gracious but you will have none of it. Fine, your call.

Few things on my way out. Nation state formation in Europe was accelerated by the threat posed from Spanish mercenaries paid for with plundered gold from the new world.

Now the EU is doing the same, with plundered gold.

Suck on it Jack, There will be no response. Unless you want to apologize for being an rude person, and we know that will not happen.

[JackRiddler]

This rhetoric is transparent. You post the racism, you defend it as some harmless thing, you pretend it wasn't what it is. Others object. Because they can read what you post. So it's their fault. They are rude. (The most rude thing one can do is notice racism. Whatever happened to the beautiful days of civil discourse?) So your zig is to play victim and your zag is to throw out random unrelated statements that would be untrue, except they don't even qualify as coherent. Oh, and it's me who has to apologize for that.

[DrEvil]

OK, last response.

So I use a little allegory that happens to sinc up with regular life and you feel the need to mock me for it. You are a nut, brilliant, but a nut and therefor an idiot.The attempt was to put the onus on myself to learn how to hit the right note. I try to be gracious but you will have none of it. Fine, your call.

Few things on my way out. Nation state formation in Europe was accelerated by the threat posed from Spanish mercenaries paid for with plundered gold from the new world.

Now the EU is doing the same, with plundered gold.

Suck on it Jack, There will be no response. Unless you want to apologize for being an rude person, and we know that will not happen.

So... who are they plundering exactly?

[peartreed]

This thread is illustrative of a growing problem on R.I. that is reducing the number of active members and the corresponding interest in participating in discussions here. It is also indicative of why American Dream and others of unpopular views and participation styles are squeezed out. The criticism of the content of their posts soon transforms into personalized insult of the author and/or the person sharing it.

That juvenile intolerance of difference and diversity is usually outgrown in the schoolyard as maturity and civility transforms the growing adult into a functioning, respectful member of society. Some adults, like Trump, never evolve ethically or empathetically and others, despite academic acumen, never fully develop or mature emotionally. The outcome is that the stunted bullies run amok, reinforcing one another in rejecting nonconformity and persecuting those who oppose their dominance of the arena.

The forum becomes the playground where intimidation and intolerance reigns. The opinion leaders control the selection, acceptance and rejection of participants. If the teachers – the moderators – allow or support or join in the bullying, we’re lost.

The world itself is made dynamic and intriguing by its very real variety, diversity and differences of views, beliefs, politics and opinions. The implicit conflicts and prejudices involved create confrontations and analysis that inspire learning and evolution and development, personal and societal, mostly in improved directions. A discussion forum exists to explore and discuss those precise differences.

What this forum is promoting, instead, is intimidation, conformity, censorship and ignorance.

[JackRiddler]

peartreed, do you ever do anything other than generic wisdom that vaguely misrepresents the situation?

Why don't you say which side of this issue, on this thread, you are on? Or if neither, speak to that. I am sure it could be done in fewer words.

[peartreed]

The French uprising represents the ongoing conflict of capitalism vs. the commoner in all its forms as well as the shifting dynamics of social systems and societal groups formed on conflicting sides while social values themselves are tested for viability and endurance. It is a microcosm of today’s world.

My sympathies and politics support the people protesting on the street more than the governmental forces. I don’t mischaracterize all the protesters by origin, ethnicity, social status or political party. I'm here to learn and discuss and enjoy every contribution to the discussion of the issue in informative detail.

Sounder shared with us the views of a likely right wing author for discussion and analysis, only to be ridiculed and insulted personally for being mistaken as supporting all those views himself and for allegedly supporting the political context of the medium they were published in. Both were erroneous assumptions that soon led to his personal insult, denigration, dismissal. bullying and intimidation. His responses evidence his surprise, offense and indignant reaction to the personalized attacks in replies.

The result was he made it clear he is now staying away from this intimidating and unwelcoming place. The signal to all of us is beware of what you post here,

[DrEvil]

beware of what you post here

Exactly! This is a left leaning, anti-fascist, pro feminist board. Two of my recent spats with Sounder have been over him posting a UKIP propaganda video (which he didn't even watch because he couldn't understand what they were saying) from a well known anti-feminist, and the article he posted up-thread, which contains several racist dog-whistles of the kind Anders Breivik obsessed over, so excuse me for being just a little pissed. He's the one insulting everyone here by uncritically posting that garbage and then deflecting like crazy before storming out in a huff.

[Grizzly]

https://twitter.com/davduf
If you want to know more about police violence during YV protests (often unseen on the news) take a look at Mr. Dufresnes work.

https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/agbe6o/yellow_vest_protester_shot_in_the_back_of_head/

[–]o_O_0_O_o_O_0_O_o 780 points 2 days ago*

Video of police shooting the Flash-Ball at close range.

Video of aftermath (NSFW Blood)

Info about the Flash-Ball "less lethal" weapon.

Image of the weapon and EOTech optic the police are using.

Video of a Flash-Ball test in slow motion. Video of a test on two people.

Video of the Flash-Ball squads from December 8th.

To save you a click:

A fireman who joined France's Yellow Vest protest movement is in a coma after being shot in the head 'like a rabbit' by a police officer using a controversial flash ball gun.

[liminalOyster]

beware of what you post here

Exactly! This is a left leaning, anti-fascist, pro feminist board. Two of my recent spats with Sounder have been over him posting a UKIP propaganda video (which he didn't even watch because he couldn't understand what they were saying) from a well known anti-feminist, and the article he posted up-thread, which contains several racist dog-whistles of the kind Anders Breivik obsessed over, so excuse me for being just a little pissed. He's the one insulting everyone here by uncritically posting that garbage and then deflecting like crazy before storming out in a huff.

Beware of what you post everywhere even. Good policy also known as "thinking and behaving in a way that is intelligent, critical and ethical."

[JackRiddler]

I think the stuff Sounder posts approvingly or for "analysis," concerning how the Browns are taking over Europe because "Davos" wants it that way, is racist shite. Also, phantasmagoric. Also, a lie on its face. Also, an assist to the worst elements of state and capital as they seek to crush working-class protest. Also, presented with extraordinary disingenuity. Also, refuted hundreds and thousands of times dating back to the stone age. Also, not refutable since it's not even coherent. Also, not refutable since no refutation would ever be accepted. Also, not worthy of "engagement" or the legitimation of a "debate." Also, if not in violation of board rules (against racist propaganda), then certainly in violation of their spirit. Also, all this is self-evident to the non-trolls.

That is an analysis.

[brainpanhandler]

I think the stuff Sounder posts approvingly or for "analysis," concerning how the Browns are taking over Europe because "Davos" wants it that way, is racist shite. Also, phantasmagoric. Also, a lie on its face. Also, an assist to the worst elements of state and capital as they seek to crush working-class protest. Also, presented with extraordinary disingenuity. Also, refuted hundreds and thousands of times dating back to the stone age. Also, not refutable since it's not even coherent. Also, not refutable since no refutation would ever be accepted. Also, not worthy of "engagement" or the legitimation of a "debate." Also, if not in violation of board rules (against racist propaganda), then certainly in violation of their spirit. Also, all this is self-evident to the non-trolls.

That is an analysis.

Holy fucking A ... !!! "Self Fucking Evident" +++ Why is this a discussion at all?

This thread is illustrative of a growing problem on R.I. that is reducing the number of active members and the corresponding interest in participating in discussions here.

Frankly I don't post here anymore because I was ceaselessly trolled when I tried to start discussions myself (Most of those members are gone). I found myself lost in an endless quagmire of personal BS. Now when I occasionally read something that raises my dander all I have to do is wait and someone else responds better than I could or at least well enough. Why waste my energy fucking around with the likes of Sounder. I don't think Sounder has any nefarious agenda. I think they are just clueless. I think Sounder just has nothing better to do.


I seem to remember Jack once lovingly admonishing C2W for wasting her vast and subtle intellect on the likes of GMcitizen or some such.

Jack?

Shouldn't you be working on a dissertation?

[brainpanhandler]

beware of what you post here

Exactly! This is a left leaning, anti-fascist, pro feminist board. Two of my recent spats with Sounder have been over him posting a UKIP propaganda video (which he didn't even watch because he couldn't understand what they were saying) from a well known anti-feminist, and the article he posted up-thread, which contains several racist dog-whistles of the kind Anders Breivik obsessed over, so excuse me for being just a little pissed. He's the one insulting everyone here by uncritically posting that garbage and then deflecting like crazy before storming out in a huff.

Exactly!

[Sounder]

My opinion is that the PTB encourage migration as part of the 'weaken the nations plan'. Unfortunately for them, the institutional structures they favor may fall instead. The hated article is about how the EU falls apart.

The response here seems to reflect a bias against nation states. Are they inherently 'racist' entities that must be abolished at any cost? Or do they still have a legitimate role to play as a necessary factor for defense from hostile outside forces?

If we say yes to the first question, then who is responsible for the suffering created as the systems fail?

The Alt-right attachment to my persona here is silly. I am a human being who is greatly disturbed by the suffering of others. Displacement is painful.

And what about point three, and the need for national sovereignty for MMT to work?

Go ahead, get your head out your ass and educate us Jack.

[Heaven Swan]

Jack, Dr Evil, Elvis, you are some of my favorite posters here, especially Elvis who is performing selfless service. I want what I write and post to help remedy this situation, not be taken as an attack, but more like a conversation among online friends. I hope you realize the good will I have towards all of you and that you maintain an open mind.

I’ve been puzzling for a long time over RI and why so many intelligent and seemingly caring people continue to attack each other instead of engage in more fruitful discourse. This thread has finally opened my eyes—I think we have a “woke” problem here. American Dream was reviled because he was “woke on steroids” but in the way you’ve treated Sounder I see echoes of AD.

I just read an opinion piece that addresses this widespread attitude. I’ll recopy it below with relevant passages bolded.


The Morality of Selfism
The Gospel of Saint You.

The New York Times
By David Brooks

Jan. 3, 2019


You probably want to be a good person. But you may also be completely self-absorbed. So you may be thinking, “There is no way I can be good if I’m also a narcissist. Isn’t being good all about caring about other people?”

But how wrong you are!

We live in a culture of selfism — a culture that puts tremendous emphasis on self, on self-care and self-display. And one of the things we’ve discovered is that you can be a very good person while thinking only about yourself!

Back in the old days people thought morality was about living up to some external standard of moral excellence. Abraham Lincoln tried to live a life of honesty and courage. Mother Teresa tried to live up to a standard of selfless love.

But now we know this is actually harmful! In the first place, when people hold up external standards of moral excellence, they often make you feel judged. These people make you feel sad because you may not live up to this standard. It’s very cruel of them to make you feel troubled in this way!

When somebody does this, you should just say, “That makes me feel judged,” and just walk away. Don’t stoop to their level!

The second problem with these external standards is that they are very hard to relate to. People are always talking about how Nelson Mandela came out of prison and tried to usher in an era of forgiveness and reconciliation. That’s all very well and good for Nelson Mandela, but what does this have to do with your life?

If people are talking to you, shouldn’t they be focusing their attention on your life? Shouldn’t they be saying things you can relate to? If somebody starts talking about some grand hero who is dead or lives far away, you should just respond, “Sorry, that’s not relatable.”

These people have to learn to keep it real!

The good news is that these days we don’t base our values on moral excellence. We base them on meaning. People are always saying they want to lead a meaningful life. They want to do things that have “meaning.”

One great thing about meaning is it’s all about the emotions you yourself already have. We say that an experience has meaning when that tingly meaningful feeling wells up inside. Picture yourself shopping at a farmers market where everything’s locally grown. Do you feel the tingly meaningful feeling welling up inside? Of course you do!

The other great thing about meaning is that everybody gets to define meaning in his or her own way. You don’t have to read a lot of thick books or have hard experiences to feel meaning. Just do things that give you good feelings!

So now you are probably wondering what you can do to get the tingly meaningful feeling inside. Well, this is a four-stage process.

First, you want to feel indignant all the time. Back in the old days morality was about loving and serving others. But now it’s about displaying indignation about things that other people are doing wrong.

When you are indignant, or woke, you are showing that you have a superior moral awareness. You don’t have to actually do anything. Your indignation is itself a sign of your own goodness, and if you can be indignant quicker than the people around you, that just shows how much more good you are!

Second, you want to make yourself heard. You want to put up a lawn sign that says, “Hate is not welcome here” or wear a T-shirt that says, “Stop the Violence.” By putting up a lawn sign that everybody else in your neighborhood already has, or wearing that T-shirt that all of your friends already wear, you are taking a stand and displaying who you are. You’re showing the people who are trying to silence you that you are not going to stay silent! You are going to wear your fashion item whether they like it or not!

The third thing you want to do is tell your story. It wasn’t easy to come up with feelings as good as your feelings. You had to go through a lot. You want to inspire others by sharing about yourself. Sometimes the bravest thing you can do is talk about yourself a lot. Sometimes you have to keep talking about yourself even though other people, selfishly, keep interrupting and trying to talk about themselves.

The fourth thing you need to do is condemn bad people. If somebody says something new or bad, you need to get on your phone right away. You need to tap the parts of the screen that will make it obvious that you are the sort of person who will not stand for bad people saying bad things. This isn’t easy because sometimes your phone is low on battery power, but you still need to show up! You need to protect people from hearing ideas they may not already have!

I hope this column helps you lead a more meaningful life. But remember: You’re already perfect just the way you are!