Christchurch, New Zealand

[Wombaticus Rex]

My edgy liberal friends want me to defend my attacks on NYT and NPR again, huh? When did you stop being any fun?

My cynicism about this one is borne from staying up most of that night watching the response because I inadvertently saw the footage live about halfway through. That will grab your attention.

Personally, I'm keeping a lid on my "suspicions" until something more than just early reporting errors, or stories about individuals being taken into custody (which accounts for a lot more paranoid suspicion than it should, considering the circumstances) are all that exist to bolster them.

>footage of two plainclothes guys, neither of whom are the arrested shooter, with automatic weapons and combat kit in a parking lot
>reports of a suspect taken into custody wearing an IED vest
>footage of man in full fatigues and facepaint, who is neither the shooter nor the two men in the parking lot, being taken into custody in front of some high school downtown

It's a considerably more pointed than "oh we had some people of interest but we were wrong."

Plus the fact you've got a manifesto full of the exact memes that your establishment would like to ban, but lacks the means or support to. You've got -- what? An eco-fascist who loves ... China? An Anti-Semitic Holocaust Denier From 4Chan who says the Jews ... are fine and he's got no problems with them? An Anti-Muslim Crusader who lists events from Crusades history all over his kit and clips, but the motherfucker never mentions Jesus or Christianity in 87 pages?

Johnny Rotten had a really good quote about this, towards the end of his career with the Sex Pistols.

I'm not impressed. It's not exactly pedestrian for someone (or someone and his friends) to commit mass violence like this, but hardly a new thing. Motivation + money (or a bit of spook background) can accomplish the details you seem to suggest require a state backing.

Training trips to Pakistan? That's a normal part of the post-Pepe indoctrination cycle that turns edgelords into human FBI Crime Statistics dispensers?

Now, a serious question? If you're entertaining your implied ideas and posting about them here, have you looked into whatever deep state or parapolitical scene New Zealand actually has? Who are the players, the agencies, the mobs, foreign and domestic, over there? I have no idea.

Good advice, thank you. I should probably spend less time on forums like 8Chan or AboveTopSecret and more time reading actual books about my area of interest.

Anyways, New Zealand is one of Five Eyes, maybe start there when you find the time.

[seemslikeadream]

Turkey investigates visits by alleged New Zealand mosque attacker
Bulgaria says it is also investigating after discovering gunman made short visits to several countries in the Balkans.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/03/ ... 14867.html

[Wombaticus Rex]

Actually, here's a great vector to discuss where our ides converge, instead: how much do you see the Israeli deep state cooperating with and facilitating the Fascist Internationale? It's not like even Ol' Anders was a straightforward "White Supremacist" -- he was more of a weirdo Freemason cryptofascist, no?

Another promising plateau: Per the Christchurch shooting, I expect to see ISI emerge as a more prominent factor than Mossad. The Osho Thang connection is interesting but may prove to be like a Trump Hotel franchise, or the New York Fed: a crossroads of criminal conspiracies.

[thrulookingglass]

How can we not see this as the fulfillment of Albert Pike’s Masonic promise of controlling Islam and we’ll use it to control the west? When he says west he should probably state the entire world. How can we not recognize that the pollution of Islam into fundamentalist dogmatic beliefs that must be enforced upon the infidels was purposeful and exactly what was intended by the likes of Magog and Gog, Reagan, Ford, nationalist Israelis perhaps even entities such as the CFR, Bilderbergers, etc.? This was planned. It’s a self-fulfilling prophecy much as the bible, once it enters the mind’s eye it pollutes, corrupts or at least imposes a belief system that you may have never accepted had you not had those beliefs imposed upon you. What if the world never viewed homosexuality as wrong? Now we have viral stand-alone complexes that fester in the aether of this poisonous realm of thought that this or that religious group is poisoning the world. Religion, or the institutional differences in religious beliefs, are used incessantly as a vector for war and hatred turning brother against brother, country against country. The most unaposable law is that of God. And when people can be impelled into these beliefs, that such and such is an unacceptable behavior by the decree of God himself then of course justice must be served. When will an evil undue another? The obstinate belief that if any being indulges in sexual behaviors is an abomination and is subject to punishment for those transgressions is one of these artifices. All of these breaches are to be met with severe punishment and is exactly what the author intended, to corrupt. That is why I say cast no law in stone, it makes you course, hard and cold. The most occulted use of evil is to use religious teachings as its genesis. Evil knows no bounds and the greatest vector for intimidation is the word of God. Who dares challenge he? The war machine knows no bounds. There were and are plans to poison the food supply! Anyone ever stop to think they might have?! Acts of false flag terrorism, Tonkin Gulf, 9/11, Kennedy assassination, hell, there’s even a lot of speculation that Roosevelt was poisoned, for truth is the first casualty of war. Go back through Jeff’s blogs, it details nothing but an elite group that believes they're free from scrutiny from the people that they’re suppose to serve. Power worship, it’s the worst virus ever created, for none care how they obtain it, just that they do. This is why wars are waged and violence is pursued, to keep the masses frightened and believing, well shit now I need a gun too. War/violence is wrong. That’s why you never fucking do it. That’s why we as a people, all humanity included, must stop the use of violence wherever we find it. Even if it came from the mouth of God. Violence solves nothing and never will. Seize the reins people. Act as if your life actually mattered or better still someone else’s. Refuse to participate in these things. Let your elected officials know that it’s gone too far. For the sake of humanities future, give a damn for a change. It just might save all life on earth. What could be more important than that?

Humanity, a people with amnesia. Who holds our leash? Who has cast this spell on us? People want to believe in God. Never met her. My goddess would never permit so much terror in creation. Think she got so disgusted with this place she up and left. Now the nightingale won’t sing for us, we scared her away. Those who condemn others to suffer dwell in hell too. Grace makes beauty out of everything.

[JackRiddler]

My cynicism about this one is borne from staying up most of that night watching the response because I inadvertently saw the footage live about halfway through. That will grab your attention.

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>footage of two plainclothes guys, neither of whom are the arrested shooter, with automatic weapons and combat kit in a parking lot
>reports of a suspect taken into custody wearing an IED vest
>footage of man in full fatigues and facepaint, who is neither the shooter nor the two men in the parking lot, being taken into custody in front of some high school downtown

It's a considerably more pointed than "oh we had some people of interest but we were wrong."

You really ought to have started with this, don't you think?

My edgy liberal friends want me to defend my attacks on NYT and NPR again, huh? When did you stop being any fun?

Eh? What answer does this deserve?

Plus the fact you've got a manifesto full of the exact memes that your establishment would like to ban, but lacks the means or support to.

You may see it that way. I don't.

Anyways, New Zealand is one of Five Eyes, maybe start there when you find the time.

I'm out of it for this subject, and you have stepped up. Do it, if you do it, without deciding who the enemies to your endeavor are in advance. If I may give that advice. I await the results. And when you get to publishing it, if you do, write it so that, you know, it communicates. To anyone willing to read it. Like the above passage about what you saw on the telly that night.

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[bks]

What do people make of this short video?

https://twitter.com/williamcraddick/sta ... 7952406528

[Jerky]

Well, this is definitely more in keeping with your usual level of discourse, and does much to clear up the frustrated confusion I felt upon reading your first post on this topic (maybe it was the "too soon" effect playing a factor). Because on first read -- and I know this isn't, and has never been, what you're about -- it seemed like you were jumping right to "the Jooz" based on some pretty tenuously linked data points.

It also seemed like you were, in a way, giving a pass to the increasingly emboldened threat that is the growing population of radicalized Fascist extremists of a particular variety, which requires far more study, a more clear-eyed exploration, and more accurate nomenclature before we even begin to grapple with the phenomenon. I mean, "alt-right" has too much baggage to be useful as a catch-all now, but there is much about that psychic ecology that plays a role in events such as this one.

As for your suggestions on topics we might discuss where our interests intersect, thank you very much for that. I promise to try and up my own game here, and make a good faith effort to make my contributions worthy of this place.

I'll confess that the deep politics of Israel are currently a blind spot in my "New Fascist Internationale" conspiracy construct.

Of course, it's obvious that under Bibi's long leadership, Israel is currently half-way down a well-greased slippery slope to full-blown capital-F Fascism, to the point where they've lost the support of more than 2/3rds of North America's diaspora Jews. And of course I have suspicions based on my earlier readings on Israeli organized crime (a vast and poorly understood topic) and its high-level links and connections to various other crime syndicates and state-based factions (Russia in particular). And of course, one would have to be deaf, dumb and blind not to see how the current wave of "nationalism" in the West serves Israel's interests by undermining certain long-standing self-idealizations in various countries, transforming them into something more akin to how the typical Israeli conceives of what it means to be Israeli (if that makes any sense at all). But I've avoided peering too deeply into that abyss for the time being, both due to a lack of time and, quite frankly, because I'm frightened of what I might find there, and the conclusions it might force me to reach. And that's me being painfully honest with you about that.

As for Breivik, it's true, he was a weird one. But even his weirdness marks him as being of the type, when you think about it. This is, after all, a man (man-child?) whose political radicalization took place at the exact same time as he was in the grips of an obsession with secret societies and historical conspiracies, as well as a full-blown, quite literal addiction to video games... mostly First Person Shooters that, for him, functioned as mass murder simulators.

And so we see in Breivik this insane cross-pollination, where the games, the pop conspiracy reading, and the Far Right politics all combined in the roiling cauldron of his broken psyche (the X-factor being whatever mix of trauma/neglect and/or inborn psycho-chemical or neurological defects he might be harboring) to create Anders Breivik, the phenomenon. It was terrorism as cos-play... LARP with a bodycount. What could be more real, more NOW than that?

As far as the ISI being involved, I suppose it’s possible, but I’m going to be taking the same tack as I am with the Mossad on this one… Wait and see.

By the way, has anyone else read Tarrant’s manifesto? It’s simultaneously pathetic and illuminating. I know the media is making it difficult for people to get at it, but I managed to find a copy among the torrents. If any of you are interested in reading it, drop me a line at jerkyleboeuf at gmail dot com and I’ll just email it to you. It’s a Word docx.

Yours most sincerely in these darkest of days,
Yer old pal Jerky

Actually, here's a great vector to discuss where our ides converge, instead: how much do you see the Israeli deep state cooperating with and facilitating the Fascist Internationale? It's not like even Ol' Anders was a straightforward "White Supremacist" -- he was more of a weirdo Freemason cryptofascist, no?

Another promising plateau: Per the Christchurch shooting, I expect to see ISI emerge as a more prominent factor than Mossad. The Osho Thang connection is interesting but may prove to be like a Trump Hotel franchise, or the New York Fed: a crossroads of criminal conspiracies.

[Jerky]

I think this Craddick guy is bending over backwards to see conspiracy at every corner, where a non-conspiratorial explanation would seem to make just as much, or even more, sense. It also seems like he only asks rhetorical questions that he thinks will lead you to the conclusions he's already reached, and then gets really pissed off if you don't (like a REALLY poor man's Socratic method).

I don't trust the dude. He doesn't pass the smell test. He's not a truth-seeker. He's a thrill-seeker.

Jerky

What do people make of this short video?

https://twitter.com/williamcraddick/sta ... 7952406528

[Grizzly]

What's the 'smell test'?

[Jerky]

Noun. smell test (plural smell tests) (idiomatic) An informal method for determining whether something is authentic, credible, or ethical, by using one's common sense or sense of propriety. An inspection of an object using the sense of smell, as for freshness of food.

What's the 'smell test'?

[Wombaticus Rex]

As for Breivik, it's true, he was a weird one. But even his weirdness marks him as being of the type, when you think about it.

Yes -- "the type" is expensive and rare, a sharp contrast with the working class stock who merely "go postal" -- and the effects of their exertions always seem to travel so much further, too.

The Mossad has always found it very useful to seek operational cover in corners that Tikkun subscribers would find extremely problematic. They've also had no problem working with Nazis since their inception. I recall people were rather upset about their connections to Klaus Barbie in LatAm, and especially, their use of Otto Skorzeny. Such maneuvers reveal them to be pragmatists of the highest order, perhaps? Or it it just more literary flourishes from another intelligence agency full of English majors?

Even this is talking around it, though.

The reality is the same unmasking we've seen here so many times: there are no nation states behind the curtain at all. There is a religion, but it sure doesn't resemble Judaism much. (Gordon at Rune Soup has done good work there.) Why was the run-up to 9/11 such a patchwork of ISI money, Mossad handlers, Dutch covers, German spies and Saudi nationals? Because the "US Empire" has always been a global management state, where "Diversity" has been valued for longer than most contemporary liberals have even been alive. (America neither invented nor designed this, but inherited it from Britain.)

So, the biggest surprise of Christchurch is now un-surprising this whole Exercise in Synthesis is. How mundane that script has become.

And the biggest value of Christchurch is the fact they seem to have fucked up in their execution and are now course-correcting in plain sight. I don't think we're going to blow this story open just like don't expect hearings on 9/11 anytime soon, and I am grateful to be old enough to finally know what planet I live on. We will see some interesting new details in the week to come, and it's still a miracle we can discuss them here, even knowing that our investigations don't matter.

As for the victims? I am as cold and cruel and any other monster we're discussing here, if not more so. The victims don't matter to the newscasters, they don't matter to the pundits, they don't matter to the politicians, any more than any other victim of Business As Usual does. Pour out a drink for the dead and all, but raise a toast to their friends and family. Survivorship is seldom much of a gift.

[liminalOyster]

there are no nation states behind the curtain at all.

It's beyond refreshing to see you around these parts again. Thank you.

edit. ps: I hope you're going to do a book one of these days

[MacCruiskeen]

"Brenton Tarrant". Really?


https://flavorwire.files.wordpress.com/2015/08/qt.jpg?w=1000

[Elvis]

Craddick Tweet 3-16-19.jpg

[PufPuf93]

One could say that the government of New Zealand has responded to the recent atrocity in an "adult" manner" (criminalize video, Milo ban, weapon ban recommended by PM) compared to some other opinion and political leaders (Trump).

Hard to conceive of the perp as a "lone wolf".

Learned of some very beautiful parts of Pakistan from reports of the perps travels. Wonder what is up with that? Travels to Islamic countries? The travels fit the profile of an intelligent asset.