Wombaticus Rex » 17 Mar 2019 17:46 wrote:As for Breivik, it's true, he was a weird one. But even his weirdness marks him as being of the type, when you think about it.
Wombaticus Rex » 17 Mar 2019 17:46 wrote:Yes -- "the type" is expensive and rare, a sharp contrast with the working class stock who merely "go postal" -- and the effects of their exertions always seem to travel so much further, too.
It's maybe going to sound a little bit like I'm trying to pick an argument with you here, Wombat, but please trust that I'm not. I trust that your understanding of the milieux involved in the types of intel shenanigans you speak of here is at least a level or two above my own (maybe three, heh), but it's going to take a lot more than what we've seen so far to convince me that what happened in Christchurch is anything as nuts-and-bolts or literal and hands-on as a false-flag attack, orchestrated from above and carried out by willing, or even Manchurian, operators.
Also, I think you're giving short shrift to the potential depth and sophistication of the woo that can come to haunt "the working class stock", causing them to do what they are all too often doing in this yuga. You know, most fiction writers write for free these days... or close enough to it. It almost feels like what they're really doing is dreaming in public. I try to read almost as much fiction as non-fiction, and obscure stuff, because I suspect it helps me recognize certain parts of the soul of our age. When I see Christchurch... I frankly don't sense a need for material assistance from intel agencies. The real conspiracy (IMO) is taking place one or two layers behind the literal mechanics. I see Christchurch (and the rest) as more of an epiphenomenon.
Wombaticus Rex » 17 Mar 2019 17:46 wrote:The Mossad has always found it very useful to seek operational cover in corners that Tikkun subscribers would find extremely problematic.
You mean like the House of Saud?
Wombaticus Rex » 17 Mar 2019 17:46 wrote:They've also had no problem working with Nazis since their inception. I recall people were rather upset about their connections to Klaus Barbie in LatAm, and especially, their use of Otto Skorzeny. Such maneuvers reveal them to be pragmatists of the highest order, perhaps? Or it it just more literary flourishes from another intelligence agency full of English majors?
The Mossad was in bed with Skorzeny at one point?! Damn. I have to catch up with Dave Emory's Spitfire list. He used to be one of my favorite sources of info.
Wombaticus Rex » 17 Mar 2019 17:46 wrote:Even this is talking around it, though. The reality is the same unmasking we've seen here so many times:
there are no nation states behind the curtain at all. There
is a religion, but it sure doesn't resemble Judaism much. (Gordon at Rune Soup has done good work there.)
Now THIS sounds like the literary flourish of an English major!
(On edit, this is not meant to belittle your observation, which is actually quite intriguing and your points are well taken. - Jerky)
Wombaticus Rex » 17 Mar 2019 17:46 wrote:Why was the run-up to 9/11 such a patchwork of ISI money, Mossad handlers, Dutch covers, German spies and Saudi nationals? Because the "US Empire" has always been a global management state, where "Diversity" has been valued for longer than most contemporary liberals have even been alive. (America neither invented nor designed this, but inherited it from Britain.)
Yes, good call and excellent observation re: UK, but are even the best informed among us re: these topics - people like you and Jack, for instance - CERTAIN about ANYTHING related to 9/11, even now, almost two decades later? Without any smoking gun or plausible alternate explanations for things, what should we do? Succor our powerlessness by pretending to be sure about things?
Since the day 9/11 happened, we have all of us been twisted and torn, pushed and pulled, fucked with and gaslit so goddamn much by so many goddamn different groups and individuals (and the government is FAR from having been the worst of them in my experience), that believing in anything - even if you're right - is no defense against the opprobrium of others, often people you love and/or respect.
There have always been easy-to-spot hucksters aiming for the lowest-hanging-fruit... the "hologram planes", the scalar weapons people, the fantasists and head-cases, those who've suffered the worst of what moving such a large part of our lives online can do to people. But far worse than that was discovering that some of the people I used to think were real truth-seekers, devoted solely to exposing the truth (though the heavens fall), actually had ulterior motives, and were feeding me (us) a line of politically expedient bullshit the whole fucking time. Then I went back and looked at all the stuff that I'd found most compelling. And you know what? Explosive squibs DID look more like dust blowing out of windows as air compressed through the path of least resistance. Building 7 didn't just collapse "because small fires", but because two of the biggest buildings in the world had just fallen basically on top of it, carving away vital sections of the sophisticated foundation system known as "the bathtub". There actually WAS a lot of identifiable debris at the Pentagon crash site. And the fact that Popular Mechanics did a piss-poor job of "proving no conspiracy took place" doesn't mean a conspiracy took place.
So where am I now re: 9/11 (I hear nobody asking whatsoever)? I'm not sure. None of what I mentioned above precludes LIHOP, of course, just like even if Lee Harvey Oswald was where the history books say he was, and he took the killing shot (or hell, even ALL of the shots), that also doesn't mean there wasn't an intel/organized crime conspiracy to kill JFK. I feel more certain that the latter is the case than the former (JFK>9/11), but far better people than me have done far more work, and come to the same conclusion, that being the elusive nature of historical certainty. And, just like Don Delillo writes in his excellent JFK/LHO novel Libra, history becomes more akin to fiction with every passing moment.
Wombaticus Rex » 17 Mar 2019 17:46 wrote:So, the biggest surprise of Christchurch is now un-surprising this whole Exercise in Synthesis is. How mundane that script has become.
Not sure what you mean by this.
Wombaticus Rex » 17 Mar 2019 17:46 wrote:And the biggest value of Christchurch is the fact they seem to have
fucked up in their execution and are now course-correcting in plain sight.
You're referring to early reports, and the stuff about multiple people being taken into custody? I can't agree with you here. What you call "course correcting" is actually record correcting, and every journalistic outlet does it. It's a part of the job. And it proves nothing, other than the fact that there's a race to be first to report things. And as for multiple people being taken into custody, believe me, when an event of this magnitude takes place, they sweep up anyone and everyone who's even remotely suspicious.
Wombaticus Rex » 17 Mar 2019 17:46 wrote:I don't think we're going to blow this story open just like don't expect hearings on 9/11 anytime soon, and I am grateful to be old enough to finally know what planet I live on. We will see some interesting new details in the week to come, and it's still a miracle we can discuss them here, even knowing that our investigations don't matter.
You're really that sure about your understanding about what planet you live on? I've been here half a century, with at least half that time spent doing nothing but watching and analyzing this world (sometimes for a paycheck!), and I feel like I’ve got a lock on maybe two or three percent of how shit works.
Wombaticus Rex » 17 Mar 2019 17:46 wrote:As for the victims? I am as cold and cruel and any other monster we're discussing here, if not more so. The victims don't matter to the newscasters, they don't matter to the pundits, they don't matter to the politicians, any more than any other victim of Business As Usual does. Pour out a drink for the dead and all, but raise a toast to their friends and family. Survivorship is seldom much of a gift.
Done, and done. And I raise a glass in honor of you, Wombat, giving thanks that I have access to a high-quality mind such as yours with which to bang around these ideas, and that you’re willing to tolerate me, at least to the degree to which you do.
L’chaim!
Yer Old Pal Jerky
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