Christchurch, New Zealand

[Grizzly]

Slad,

Steve Bannon, the former Trump White House adviser and conservative hardliner, will be a special guest of Brazilian President Jair Bolsonaro for dinner on Monday, the eve of the far-right leader’s meeting with President Trump at the White House.

https://www.mcclatchydc.com/news/politi ... rylink=cpy

^^^ What does that have to do with the NZ shooter?

[seemslikeadream]

It was a reply to Jerky ...that’s all ...I guess you didn’t read his post

Check out THIS crazy-ass nonsense.

https://twitter.com/MsMollyRachael/stat ... 1864093698

Wasn't Bannon in NZ and Australia very recently?

YOPJ

[Jerky]

If I may answer for SLAD in this case, the connection seems pretty obvious to me.

I brought up Bannon (via a hideous video wherein a hideous woman in an audience of his hideous fans proclaims her desire to live under a literal Trump dictatorship) because he is a fascism-promoting propagandist and an important element in the spread of the New Fascist International(e) ideology who recently toured Australia and New Zealand, where a True Believer of said ideology appears to have acted on that ideology's tenets and beliefs in a way that resulted in the deaths of 50 innocent people.

Now, Bannon is headed to Brazil, where yet another fascist has recently risen to power thanks to an increasingly familiar set of underhanded tricks and semi-legal, absolutely amoral strategies. And so it behooves us to pay attention.

Thank you, SLAD, for your contribution.

And Grizzly? Take a chill pill maybe.

YOPJ

[JackRiddler]

.

Is this relevant?

St. Louis Store Asks Whether New Zealand Mosque Shooting Was Tragic or 'Fucking Great'

By Danny Wicentowski on Mon, Mar 18, 2019 at 12:51 pm

Determinedly edgy local gun-supply store Tactical Shit took a break this weekend from promoting its St. Patrick's Day sale to ask its Facebook followers their opinion of Friday's massacre of Muslims in New Zealand: Was the incident a tragedy, the poll asked, or was it "fucking great?"

The Facebook poll, which appears to have been deleted between Saturday evening and Sunday, drew thousands of votes and hundreds of comments. According to a screenshot, fifteen percent of respondents viewed the killing of 49 innocent people as a cause for celebration.

"How do you 'feel' about the NZ Shooting?" the query began. "This poll is because in our posts and news stories, our shitheads seem pretty divided."

The store, which is based in suburban St. Peters, seemed to be aware that it was basically inviting the bigots in its audience to step forward.

"We are in no way are indicating our opinion," the post added, "just want yours."



[Follow the link, judge for yourself if the reporting is fair.]
https://www.riverfronttimes.com/newsblo ... king-great

Is the above more prima-facie relevant than likely Mossad guys caught in an earthquake while doing unknown activities eight years ago in New Zealand?

I don't think "the Internet," or Facebook in this case, is "the problem." Here it is for the moment the means by which a group steps up to confirm (as if you didn't know) that it exists.

To [store owner] Kirgin's shock, he says on the podcast, the post caused the Tactical Shit Facebook page to lose hundreds of followers.

"I was like, 'Whoa, what the fuck,'" Kirgin says to his cohosts.

[...]

Again, this is one day after the shooting. But this is the Tactical Shit brand. The store's Facebook page boasts 890,000 followers. The same day it posted the poll, Tactical Shit ran a Facebook ad for a grey t-shirt that says "Nationalist" over an outline of a map of the U.S.

[...]

Is this a manifestation showing that many fans of a tactical arms store are cheering on massacres of random designated civilian enemies (who are viewed as a kind of Borg), and that in part they do so as a perceived matter of survival or as a worthy action in the defense of "nationalism" and racial supremacy? Does this cheering have its parallels in multiple countries as part of an ongoing wave of movements who are aware of each other?

Allow me to break that down:

Let's say 10% or 89,000 of the "like"-clicks received by the Tactical Shit FB page (it is necessary to "like" so that one can even see its content, and that is all "followers" means in FB speak) are the actual fans of the page/store, in the sense that they're into the content and want to see it regularly in their feed. Am I being sufficiently conservative in this estimate?

So, let's treat this as an unscientific Internet poll sample indicating the mood among about 89,000 people who really do like Tactical Shit, either the store or in the broader sense of what it stands for as a brand.

And let's acknowledge that 85% clicking in this poll were apparently appalled by the question, so it's okay, #notallgunowners #notallwhitepeople #notallcrackerlumpen #notalltrumpvotersonfb, #notallshowmestaters, etc. We're only talking about the 15%, or the 15% of the 10% as I have defined it.

Are you in the 15%? No, you are not! Regardless of what you may think "really" happened in Christchurch, you are horrified by it. Good. Now, as an exercise, if you will, acknowledge that the "15%" exist and use your imagination to put yourself in their view of the world.

What is 15% of 89,000? Is that indicative of a group of 12,000 real people within the gun store's FB "like" catchment who unreservedly approve of the Christchurch action, or who think it's cool and funny to troll the libtards to that effect? (Regardless of whatever you think "really" happened in Christchurch, here just taking it at face value as some people's idea of a heroic massacre of undifferentiated "Muslims"?)

Is it safe to assume many hundreds of this estimated 12,000 represented by the 15% poll sampling live in the area around this store and are within circles of common acquaintance? That they hang out or work or live in the same places, or know others who do?

How about: That they don't necessarily need a Facebook page to tell them what they believe? That this belief may have deep personal and social roots? That the expressed attitude about Christchurch is indicative of their deeper and broader common-sense understanding of the world? That this common-sense understanding allows or maybe more forthrightly upholds the idea that survival of their group in this world may sooner or later require exterminationist solutions? That it's either "us" or "them" who must die in very large numbers?

Does that constitute at least the beginnings of a local base (incidentally, the literal meaning of Al-Qaeda)?

Do many of them take inspiration from the successes of figures like Bannon/Trump, or even derive a kind of physical pleasure from these celebrity public performances? Or (despite being Americans) have some of them heard of and approve of, say, Bolsonaro or Duterte, understanding them to be bad-asses killing bad guys? Hey, the latter two are popular election winners.

(There's a whole range of possibly inspiring figures one could choose, and contradictions wouldn't matter: Putin could be one's hero as easily as the Azov Battalion. More likely Steve King, but it could also be a man of color, a Farrakhan. Such choices of inspiration aren't required and need not matter very much, by the way. It can be incidental. There are so many founts of inspiration to choose from. It can be both or either: a kind of consumer or religious brand choice, and/or at the same time just a stochastic echo. It's a species of fandom, and fandom is both international and superfluous. The same person who voted in the 15% might simultaneously worship at the altar of a Jesus, or alternately think Sam Harris is a genius. Or none of the above.)

However this last part is constituted, the important factor is the combination of anger and violent hatred of the _____ (Borg of choice, in this case Muslims).

Do guys of this persuasion (indisputably ideological if confusing at times), open to exterminationist sentiments, also appear in militaries and LEOs?

Sorry that I'm focusing on "guys" here, but for some reason they're still the kings of mass violence.

Regardless, are there those among these hundreds of happy supporters of the Christchurch action around St. Louis, as indicated by the 15% poll result, who have some minimum combination, which can vary greatly, of gear, money, training, friends, organized connections, secret societies in the broadest or more specific sense, extra fanaticism, tactical problem-solving skills, tactical presence, a drive to prove their manliness, physical bravery, and a quasi-physical inclination to murder? Can some of them write passably? Would some of them be psychos with rich fantasy lives and a death wish? Are some of them literally turned on sexually by the thought of doing a Columbine or take your pick of a hundred other examples, or by fictional media depictions of similar heroic deeds? Would some of them be possessed with a desire to mimic actions like the one in NZ? Maybe to go for a new high score? (This group would include gamers and non-gamers, for sure.) Could a few of them actually pull it off, whether or not they were detected beforehand within the nets cast by LEO?

This is not an argument for better surveillance, I should add. It is an argument that people like the version of "Brenton Tarrant" presented to us exist, regardless of what you think happened in Christchurch. And if he had accomplices or fellow shooters, this would also be something that exists.

Numerically, are we still in the range of many dozens of such candidates within the FB catchment area of this gun store, as indicated in this poll? Some of them more disciplined and capable than others, some of them unsettling to their neighbors and others more the straight-and-narrow type?

Narrow it down again: How many are we left with after we assume that even then, taking a few steps in fantasy is sufficiently satisfying and the death-drive isn't great enough to overcome inhibitions against murder and suicide? Do we still have some serious heroes in the bunch? Of both types, "loners" and guys who find each other and are best buddies?

Now multiply that beyond the range of a gun store in exurban St. Louis... do we get enough hits to produce a number of actual rampage-killings or "retail" terror attacks approximating the number of Christchurch-style (or Pittsburgh-style, or Baruch-Goldstein-style, or Las Vegas-style, or Marseilles-style) events appearing fairly regularly as sudden terrorist spectacles for the global media to cover and "analyze"?

Would a line (or hidden strings, or MK Management) leading back to Davos or Langley or COINTELPRO or Herzliya or Riyadh or Moscow or Kiev or London, or some combination thereof, be required for the execution of such an action? Not that this could not simultaneously exist, and not that there wasn't a Gladio and there isn't a Gladio 2.0, but is it a compelling necessity for more than a small minority of spectacular terror incidents of this kind? Are those of you who always assume this possibility prepared to admit the likelihood of a very high rate of false positives if you adopt that as your working model every time a case appears?

If more overt fascism ascends and is increasingly normalized, how many of the larger group indicated by the Tactical Shit poll become willing to vote for some future guy "telling it like it is" who makes Trump/Bannon look like weepy bourgeois posers, or to be deputized as militia in some future civil war version of the "culture war," or to join lynch mobs?

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[seemslikeadream]

If I may answer for SLAD in this case, the connection seems pretty obvious to me.

I brought up Bannon (via a hideous video wherein a hideous woman in an audience of his hideous fans proclaims her desire to live under a literal Trump dictatorship) because he is a fascism-promoting propagandist and an important element in the spread of the New Fascist International(e) ideology who recently toured Australia and New Zealand, where a True Believer of said ideology appears to have acted on that ideology's tenets and beliefs in a way that resulted in the deaths of 50 innocent people.

Now, Bannon is headed to Brazil, where yet another fascist has recently risen to power thanks to an increasingly familiar set of underhanded tricks and semi-legal, absolutely amoral strategies. And so it behooves us to pay attention.

Thank you, SLAD, for your contribution.

And Grizzly? Take a chill pill maybe.

YOPJ

Thank you!

Yes Bannon is relevant to this thread

The bad news is that Trump’s promotion of key themes of white supremacism, in conjunction with the billionaire Mercers and bizarre ideologues like Steve Bannon, have clearly produced a new wave of stochastic white nationalist terrorism.

New Zealand: Is Trumpism now replacing ISIL as a major Cause of Stochastic Terrorism?
Juan Cole 03/15/2019

Ann Arbor (Informed Comment) – One of the tactics of the so-called “Islamic State group” or ISIL had been to put out calls on the internet and social media for people to engage in random acts of violence. In some instances, these fevered and vague expression of violent grievance infested the nightmares of unstable young Muslim expatriates in Europe or the United States, leading to some sanguinary terrorist attack. In other instances, those with fragile identities who exploded into violence attempted late in the day to connect their atrocities with ISIL, perhaps in self-justification on in the way of ego inflation.

Some have called this random, one-off violence, which is almost impossible to forestall, “stochastic” terrorism. When an operation is the result of a fair-sized organization such as al-Qaeda or the Ku Klux Klan, the organization can be tracked and infiltrated and stopped. But some person somewhere or two or three of them, who seem a little off but do not trip any law enforcement wires, can plot out a massacre with relative ease. Mass shootings are not intrinsically difficult to pull off. Just going into a restaurant or church or mosque and shooting people down with automatic or semi-automatic weapons is like rolling out of bed for someone without a conscience or someone who is sick.

The good news is that the military defeat of the ISIL’s phony “caliphate” in eastern Syria and western and northern Iraq appears to have reduced the amount of stochastic terrorism associated with that group. Terrorists are victims of ego inflation, having been convinced by a recruiter and groomer that they are saving the world or saving large numbers of innocents by murdering other innocents. A defeated ISIL cannot inflate the ego any more, is not associated with any glorious victory or messianic expectation of victory.

The bad news is that Trump’s promotion of key themes of white supremacism, in conjunction with the billionaire Mercers and bizarre ideologues like Steve Bannon, have clearly produced a new wave of stochastic white nationalist terrorism.

A whole series of acts of terrorism have now demonstrated significant links to Donald J. Trump’s resurgent white nationalism, a key component of which is hatred for Muslims. I argued at Tomdispatch.com last fall that Trumpism is in part responsible for our current worrying wave of Islamophobia or hatred of Muslims. His allegation that “Islam hates us,” his ban on most visas for 5 Muslim-majority countries, his depiction of all Syrian refugees in Europe as stealth ISIL terrorists– contribute to the degradation of our moral character as a civilization. I reminded everyone that in contrast, in the Reagan years of the 1980s, Washington was ecstatic about the exploits of daring Muslim mujahidin or jihadis fighting the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan. I wrote in that essay,

The Islamophobes like to argue that Islam is an inherently violent religion, that its adherents are quite literally commanded to such violence by its holy scriptures, the Qur’an. It’s a position that, as I explain in my new book, Muhammad: Prophet of Peace Amid the Clash of Empires, is both utterly false and ahistorical.
Thursday’s bloody massacre of peaceful Muslim worshipers at two mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand, appears as I write to be the be work of an expatriate Australian cell of white supremacists who wrote on the internet their admiration of Donald Trump. In his manifesto, the alleged ringleader called Trump the “symbol of renewed white identity.”

But this phenomenon of white nationalists inspired to violence by Trump is hardly new or unusual. The Charlottesville white terrorist who killed Heather Heyer, and his colleagues among Neo-Nazis who chanted “Jews will not replace us,” were in part celebrating that Trump had come to power. He declined to condemn them, insisting that there were very fine people “on both sides.” One side was Nazis.

The 2018 white terrorist who shot up a mosque in Quebec City spent the hours before his murders scouring the internet for Trump quotes and was obsessed by an imagined threat from immigrants.

Cesar Sayoc, who mailed bombs to targets in Florida, was obsessed with Trump and said that when he heard the president, he “finally found someone who spoke to him.” Sayoc had a history of mental illness, but so too have many ISIL-inspired losers.

Members of the “White Rabbits” white terrorist militia who bombed a Minnesota mosque had volunteered to help build Trump’s border Wall.

US Coast Guard Lt. Christopher Paul Hasson, plotted the death of 20 prominent television and other journalists on behalf of Trump, inspired by the president’s constant attacks on the press as purveyors of falsehood and for being “the worst people.”

There is even a “hate map” showing all the places Trump supporters have attacked minorities.

Trump has authorized public hatred and has encouraged that protesters be physically assaulted, and reporters trying to cover his Nuremberg Rallies have felt their lives in danger from overheated fans. This promotion of brown shirt violence toward journalists and the left and Muslims has not always been explicit, but the mentally fragile do not need explicit. Their febrile imaginations supply the missing instructions, to shoot people in mosques.

New Zealand like nothing else reveals the lunacy of Nancy Pelosi taking impeachment off the table in the face of this monster in the White House, clearly mentally imbalanced, without conscience, narcissistic, a pathological liar, and promoting hatred and violence at every turn.

After 9/11, America’s challenge was al-Qaeda-style asymmetric terrorism. Today, almost all terrorism in the United States has a white nationalist character, and the person promoting stochastic terrorism by the Far Right is the president of the United States.
https://www.juancole.com/2019/03/replac ... orism.html

[Wombaticus Rex]

I don't think "the Internet," or Facebook in this case, is "the problem."

...

How about: That they don't necessarily need a Facebook page to tell them what they believe? That this belief may have deep personal and social roots?

*scans the horizon in fear*
*comes up blank*
*tries again*

...Jack, I don't see a strawman big enough to get you this angry. Who are you talking to with this whole riff?

Even Grizzly is just pointing out the fact Facebook is a surveillance platform, ergo they probably had his profile segmented along with tens of thousands of other men just like them. (It's not like there's no precedent for FB working with law enforcement, especially now that they have both cops and Feds embedded within their company for years.) Where I diverge from Grizzly's narrative is the notion those dipshits are capable of getting ahead of the ball.

[seemslikeadream]

“Great White Death”

.........
Between 2014 and 2016, the Mercer Family Foundation donated a quarter of a million dollars to the New York-based Gatestone Institute, an anti-Muslim think tank that warns of a looming Muslim takeover of Europe leading to a “Great White Death.”
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The organization is also notable for its close ties to the Trump administration: Rebekah Mercer sits on the Board of Governors, former Trump campaign chairman Steve Bannon has been featured as a speaker at Gatestone events, and Trump’s national security adviser John Bolton became the group’s chairman in 2013.
Anti-Muslim videos produced by the Mercer-funded Gatestone Institute and Rebel Media, a far-right Canadian media outlet.
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Rebel Media has produced a number of prominent anti-Muslim and anti-immigration activists, including Lauren Southern, Laura Loomer, Faith Goldy, Gavin McInnes, and Tommy Robinson. These activists, along with ideologically aligned figures like Stefan Molyneux and Milo Yiannopoulos — whose activism on behalf of neo-Nazis and white nationalists was funded by Mercer dollars — form a global network of Islamophobia whose reach spans the U.S., Canada, the U.K., Australia, and South Africa, among other places.

The video series produced by Rebel and Gatestone covered topics including “Sweden’s migrant rape epidemic,” “the dangers of the Islamization of the West and the growing influence of Sharia law,” and the “Islamization of Europe”, which the video claimed was a threat to “Western values.”

The videos produced by the Gatestone Institute and Rebel Media were rife with fear-mongering propaganda, including warnings about “no-go zones” and Shariah law creeping into Europe .

Other videos asked if Europe is “doomed by migrants” and whether “Europeans […] will rise to fight radical Islam and hold onto Western values,” while others pushed fear-mongering disinformation about so-called “no go zones” and propaganda claiming that Islam is inherently linked to terrorism.

Tarrant referenced many of these topics in his manifesto, and the underlying theme of Muslims as a threat to “Western culture” (whiteness) featured prominently in both the videos and the manifesto.
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Weaponized Islamophobia

The partnership between Rebel Media and the Mercer-backed Gatestone Institute demonstrates how the anti-Muslim propaganda industry pushes its Islamophobic messaging from seemingly “serious” think tanks and other conservative organizations to far-right websites and activists, who then recycle the talking points and disseminate them to new audiences.

Prominent tech companies like YouTube, Google, and Facebook play a major role in this cycle by disseminating extremist content to specific audiences through features like micro-targeting and algorithmically-produced recommendations and suggestions
.......
“We exploited Facebook to harvest millions of people’s profiles,” Wylie said in a March 2018 interview. “And built models to exploit what we knew about them and target their inner demons. That was the basis the entire company was built on.”
......
“It’s how you brainwash someone. It’s incredibly dangerous.”
https://bylinetimes.com/2019/03/18/robe ... -industry/

[Harvey]

"Prior to that, in 2017, he entered Israel and from there, he entered Syria where he, according to Russian Military Intelligence, visited Deraa and then a refugee camp outside al Tanf, where Israel and the US have stationed hundreds of ISIS fighters under cover of refugees.

This is confirmed by a General in Russia’s military. Russia is seriously considering confronting the US military in al Tanf...

Tarrant was in the Rukban camp, and from there traveled to Deraa, where he met with ISIS cells, and then was escorted back to Israel and from there to Turkey where he entered Idlib and met with al Nusra. He transited in and out of ISIS/al Nusra occupied Syria to Turkey 3 times before traveling to Belgrade."

https://www.veteranstoday.com/2019/03/1 ... ss-murder/

Explosive, if true.

[Grizzly]

Ok, so Bannon was in NZ, Recently. Interestingly enough, so was Podesta


John Podesta Was in New Zealand 5 Days Ago; Warned of ‘Major’ Cyber-Attack/
https://newspunch.com/john-podesta-new-zealand-major-cyber-attack/

Former Clinton campaign manager, John Podesta, paid a visit to New Zealand four days before the deadly mass shooting to warn of an imminent “major” cyber-attack.

In an interview with Newshub, the political hack warned that New Zealand is a “big juicy target” for a cyber-attack by Russia or China.

Msn.com reports: Having run the White House as chief of staff to President Bill Clinton, and acting as counsellor to President Barack Obama, Mr Podesta is of the most powerful people in US democratic politics.

He was also the campaign manager of presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton – although that didn’t go well.

During the campaign, tens of thousands of Mr Podesta’s emails were hacked by the Russia government.

The hack and release on WikiLeaks was believed to be a major factor in Ms Clinton’s loss to current president Donald Trump.

“Vladimir Putin must be sitting in the Kremlin saying this is the best return on investment I ever got – I’ve got a pliant president of the United States,” Mr Podesta says.

New Zealand’s top spies warned Parliament last month that our election is also vulnerable to attack, and Mr Podesta agrees.

“I’d say very worried,” he told Newshub. “I don’t see why they couldn’t do it. And there are other state actors as well.”

At the top of that list is China.

“There are other actors in the region including China that may have a high degree of interest in being able to penetrate what the private conversations of people in NZ politics and NZ Government are looking at,” Mr Podesta says.

New Zealand is a member of the Five Eyes spy network, a powerful intelligence club made up of the US, UK, Canada, Australia and us.

He says we’re a “juicier target”, and should guard against hacked information being weaponised as fake news.

“What’s new is this weaponisation – the use of social media to spread discord, lies, dissatisfaction – that’s I think what you’ve got to look out for,” he says.

Mr Podesta played a starring role in one of the great conspiracy theories of the election – his hacked emails included an exchange about a Washington DC pizza joint called Comet Ping Pong.

“[The rumours were] that HC and I were running a child porn ring, which had no basis in anything, but a guy showed up with a gun and ended up shooting up a pizza parlour,” he says.

This is a cautionary tale from someone who understands too well the influence and damage hacking and fake news can do.

New Zealand is not exempt – and Newshub understands it’s something the Prime Minister is seriously concerned about.

Interesting to say the least...Both wings of the WAR party, in down unda world, right before major spectacle?
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On a somewhat different but same note, what does one make of the following?
https://twitter.com/TRepublicus/status/1107765615635374080

https://twitter.com/TRepublicus/status/1107765615635374080

A rehearsed scene inside a mosque in New Zealand. "Act for the camera, we're about to affect policy in the United States!" This is the real foreign influence, aided by the media.

Hummmm ... It's nay impossible to make any sense of any of this shit... Perhaps, that's the point.

[seemslikeadream]

ah but only one party pushing White Nationalism....“Great White Death”

and only one party is trying to find all the children kidnapped by the trump administration

For everyone interested in xrw terrorism due to the events in Christchurch and in other countries start with the very recent open access special issue on right wing terrorism by Perspectives_T edited by Jacravn and Tore Bjorgo. It's a collection of world experts weighing in

Complete Issue

Investigating Terrorism from the Extreme Right: A Review of Past and Present Research
by Jacob Aasland Ravndal and Tore Bjørgo

Understanding the Micro-Situational Dynamics of White Supremacist Violence in the United States
by Steven Windisch, Pete Simi, Kathleen Blee, and Matthew DeMichele

Patterns of Fatal Extreme-Right Crime in the United States
by Joshua D. Freilich, Steven M. Chermak, Jeff Gruenewald, William S. Parkin, and Brent R. Klein

Explaining the Spontaneous Nature of Far-Right Violence in the United States
by Matthew Sweeney and Arie Perliger

Recent Trends in German Right-Wing Violence and Terrorism: What are the Contextual Factors behind ‘Hive Terrorism’?
by Daniel Koehler

Right-Wing Terrorism and Violence in Putin’s Russia
by Johannes Due Enstad

Only Bullets will Stop Us!’ – The Banning of National Action in Britain
by Graham Macklin

Right-Wing Terrorism and Violence in Hungary at the Beginning of the 21st Century
by Miroslav Mareš

Italy, No Country for Acting Alone? Lone Actor Radicalisation in the Neo-Fascist Milieu
by Pietro Castelli Gattinara, Francis O’Connor, and Lasse Lindekilde

Background and Preparatory Behaviours of Right-Wing Extremist Lone Actors: A Comparative Study
by Noémie Bouhana, Emily Corner, Paul Gill and Bart Schuurman

Terrorist Target Selection: The Case of Anders Behring Breivik
by Cato Hemmingby and Tore Bjørgo
https://www.universiteitleiden.nl/persp ... ii-issue-6

[JackRiddler]

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Grizzly: on the face of it, it's not very interesting. Both of these human units travel a lot. Neither is ops, except when running an election campaign or a news outlet. They're both corporate promotional types. The messages they push probably matter more than where they are on the circuit of speeches and fundraising and friend visits.

I don't think "the Internet," or Facebook in this case, is "the problem."

...

How about: That they don't necessarily need a Facebook page to tell them what they believe? That this belief may have deep personal and social roots?

*scans the horizon in fear*
*comes up blank*
*tries again*

...Jack, I don't see a strawman big enough to get you this angry.

Funnily enough, that word strikes me as strawmanning, since I'm not. Angry, that is.

Who are you talking to with this whole riff?

You, largely, if you wish to consider it, and the weird way you started this thread, and the peremptorily dismissive attitude from you and several to the idea that, regardless of how many shooters, accomplices, or spook connections may turn up (or seem to turn up), the background to this attack very likely was as advertised: white nationalism, hatred of "Muslims" (as a Borg entity and as sub-humans) in particular, hatred of "liberals" (or everything defined as such), extreme right-wingery, masculine self-inflation, murder and death wish.

In shorthand: fascist international thinking, for all its variations and surface contradictions (one might love Bibi, the other shoots Jews in a synagogue). There is enough of this global fascist "community" spread around many precincts of the world to make attacks like this non-anomalous, and to explain things you say are anomalous like that the "manifesto" talks about Trump or that the alleged lone shooter is an Australian doing this in NZ. (Enough of this community obviously not just around St. Louis, as indicated by the Tactical Shit FB poll, which has to serve the purpose to which I put it above since Gallup isn't going to be asking that question.)

I expect the exterminationist terrorism and effective call to inspire others to do more of it IS the psyop, and vice-versa. They are one and the same. As I expect was so with Breivik. It's not the executive level of Spooks International or Davos Men who are doing this, even if some trail or other leads back to them or other higher levels. (Can you hold a few of them -- like recent Davos visitor D.J. Trump -- stochastically responsible? I think so. He doubled-down on his "invasion" rhetoric, same day. I'll agree with the spirit of SLAD's post above.)

But it's not false-flagging for some other purpose than the one promoted, which reads: Kill all Muslims. Whether as a lone shooter or a conspiracy of the like-minded. It is not done so as to give a pretext for tightening gun laws, or to target everything the establishment hates -- which you said above. Or to get the NZ premier to wear a hijab for an hour. Or to advance Internet surveillance-censorship. Thus the part I wrote that you wonder about is not an answer to Grizzly, but just me agreeing generally that "Facebook" or social media is not that big of a contemporary causal factor for something that's been around in its current form since, like, 1680 at least. Whiteness is the longest running present-day form of identity politics. It's the one that forced most of the other "identities" on to those who have to bear them, and who are accused of "identity politics" when they try out ways (whether well or poorly advised) to defend themselves. It also comes in various shades and flavors -- see Venezuela or Brazil right now as well as historically. They can recognize allies across the national lines.

That's the working model I apply in this case, and it would fit the same "known" facts so far, even if the anomalies may end up confirming a team product. A "community" exists that could spawn a Brenton Tarrant as advertised. The racist/fascist/exterminationist biotopes are real and varied and spread out and in exchange, without needing one central control. They logically produce such fruit. Was the Christchurch attack an example? That's my rebuttable presumption. Show otherwise if you can, but don't treat it as sneer-worthy, since it's not.

Sure, I could be wrong, and so could you. Just like the dinosaur's fossil bones -- "the evidence" -- so far could fit either of the depicted Tyrannosaurs (which genuinely would want to eat people, either way; unless they turn out vegetarian after all).

Even Grizzly is just pointing out the fact Facebook is a surveillance platform, ergo they probably had his profile segmented along with tens of thousands of other men just like them. (It's not like there's no precedent for FB working with law enforcement, especially now that they have both cops and Feds embedded within their company for years.) Where I diverge from Grizzly's narrative is the notion those dipshits are capable of getting ahead of the ball.

Facebook is happy to play ball with the Alphabet Agencies whose technology and venture cash spawned it (oh my god, it only just hit me what the name of the Google holding company actually means). But besides being an outfit run by dipshits who got really fucking lucky at the right time and aren't on the ball today either, FB has little incentive to be ahead of that particular ball, since that's not the primary purpose of their surveillance platform, or why they built it in the first place. Governments and politicians, specifically the American, are currently trying to get them more openly (re)integrated into the law enforcement and political disciplining side of the ball. Results are mixed. Full integration will make it more "American," and more boring, and even more for old farts than it already is, and thus may come at the cost of turning it into MySpace 2.0. It has not yet lived as a cultural fixture even half as long as the VCR, or the CD player.

Is this relevant?

This guy's a good bet to get reelected.



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[Wombaticus Rex]

.the background to this attack very likely was as advertised

So he was radicalized by conservative pundit Candace Owens to do a mass shooting because that would lead to New Zealand passing more restrictive gun laws?

[JackRiddler]

Okay then.

[Wombaticus Rex]

Okay then.

Have you engaged with the suspects writing at all?

[thrulookingglass]

Its a stand alone complex, not a lone wolf/nut. This is why the virus of 'fundamentalist Islam' was created, it is the exact reason 9/11 was perpetrated, to change Islam into a vector for faceless hegemonic terrorism. As with the drug war, the perpetrators are able to cause mayhem from both sides of the equation with now radical right wing fascists adding their fuel to the fire. All routes of nationalist empire state terrorism must be hidden for these are of course heinous crimes. This isn't really a nation/state agenda though, its supremely occulted, the octopus, the illuminati, what have you. The path back to the cause of willfully immoral acts must always be distorted.

The Standalone complex is a phenomenon where unrelated individuals act in a similar manner which creates an appearance of a concerted effort. As in someone mentions something or does something that attracts the attention of others.