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by Jerky » Thu Dec 27, 2018 6:32 am
by BenDhyan » Thu Dec 27, 2018 7:26 am
Jerky » Thu Dec 27, 2018 8:32 pm wrote:Dude isn't even aware of such basic, easy to find information as the speed of radiowaves (yes, Virginia, they go the speed of light, and not "much slower"). And my TV stations growing up in analog days? Bangor Maine, which was hundreds of miles (not "maximum 58 miles) away from me.
So Chuckles the Bad Kind of Conspiracy Dudebro gets ZERO correct.
Big time FAIL on Chuckles' part.
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YOPJ
by BenDhyan » Thu Dec 27, 2018 5:20 pm
by Belligerent Savant » Tue Apr 30, 2019 4:37 pm
Israel's first moon lander came up just short in its historic touchdown bid this afternoon (April 11).
The robotic Beresheet spacecraft, built by SpaceIL and Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI), aimed to become the first Israeli craft, and the first privately funded mission, ever to land softly on the moon. But the little robot couldn't quite make it, crashing into the gray dirt around 3:25 p.m. EDT (1925 GMT). Mission control lost communications with the spacecraft when it was about 489 feet (149 meters) above the moon's surface.
"We had a failure in the spacecraft; we unfortunately have not managed to land successfully," Opher Doron, the general manager of IAI, said during a live broadcast from mission control. "It's a tremendous achievement up 'til now."
"If at first you don't succeed, you try again," said Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who watched Beresheet's landing attempt from SpaceIL's control center in Yehud, Israel.
So the list of moon-landing nations remains at three, all of them superpowers — the Soviet Union, the United States and China.
by RocketMan » Tue Apr 30, 2019 4:59 pm
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by RocketMan » Wed May 01, 2019 3:05 am
stickdog99 » Wed May 01, 2019 1:29 am wrote:https://uanews.arizona.edu/story/ua-planetary-scientist-wins-bid-study-moon-samples
UA Planetary Scientist Wins Bid to Study Moon Samples
Incoming assistant professor Jessica Barnes will have the opportunity to study a previously unopened sample of a moon rock that was collected in the early 1970s during NASA's Apollo 17 mission.
So it only took us 48 years to decide to examine Apollo 17's core samples? Well, better late than never!
by Belligerent Savant » Wed May 01, 2019 1:00 pm
The controversy over Grissom's death is so hot that one ubiquitous media "skeptic" (and tireless defender of government orthodoxy) went so far as to shut down debate on the Apollo 1 murder theories on his message board.
One "Apollo hoax" conspiracy site boils the basic narrative amongst Grissom partisans to its essence.
In January 1967, Virgil 'Gus' Grissom, an American astronaut, held an unauthorized press conference in which he told reporters that the United States was "at least a decade away" from even contemplating a lunar mission. He was severely rebuked for giving that interview without permission.
Following this reprimand, Gus Grissom later came out of a water tank reduced gravity simulation of the supposed lunar landing module, and attached a lemon to a coat-hanger, which he then hung in front of a NASA emblem to indicate to the cameras, without speaking, what he and his fellow crew members, Roger Chaffee and Edward White, thought of the Apollo programme. Clearly Mr. Grissom did not fit NASA's requirement of an easily-controlled, brain-dead military man.
A few days after this, on 27 January 1967, Grissom, Chaffee and White were murdered, via a horrific pressurized oxygen fire, while locked in the capsule at the top of a Saturn V rocket.
But it's not just conspiracy theorists who believe Grissom was murdered for his whistle-blowing, it's also the Grissom family.
"My father’s death was no accident. He was murdered,” Grissom, a commercial pilot, told Star.
Grissom said he recently was granted access to the charred capsule and discovered a "fabricated” metal plate located behind a control panel switch. The switch controlled the capsules’ electrical power source from an outside source to the ship’s batteries. Grissom argues that the placement of the metal plate was an act of sabotage...
...Grissom’s widow, Betty, now 71, told Star she agrees with her son’s claim that her husband had been murdered. "I believe Scott has found the key piece of evidence to prove NASA knew all along what really happened but covered up to protect funding for the race to the moon.”
Grissom's death capped a tense period when the astronaut had been the target of death threats:
The Grissom family had reason to doubt the official NASA ruling from the beginning. Even before Apollo I, Grissom had received death threats which his family believed emanated from within the space program.
The threats were serious enough that he was put under Secret Service protection and had been moved from his home to a secure safehouse. According to his wife, Grissom had warned her that "if there is ever a serious accident in the space program, it’s likely to be me.”
Betty Grissom, left widowed with two sons, filed a wrongful death lawsuit against the Apollo program's prime contractor, North American Rockwell. She won a $350,000 settlement in 1972 that would be worth nearly $3 million today if adjusted for inflation, said Ronald D. Krist, the Houston attorney who handled that case.
THE FIRE
At 6:31:03 P.M., one of the astronauts smelled smoke and yelled fire. The capsule had suddenly turned into a Calorimeter Bomb. They tried their best to open the hatch. Without panic the triple hatch that sealed them in usually took about nine minutes to open. They didn't have nine minutes. In fact, they barely had ninety seconds before their suits burned through and the deadly poisonous gasses released from the plastics silenced them forever.
The capsule's internal pressure soared from the great quantity of hot gasses created by the quasi-explosive burning of all the combustible material. This short term fire was so intense that it melted a silver soldered joint on the oxygen feed pipe pouring even more oxygen into the conflagration.
At 6:31:17, fourteen seconds from the first smell of smoke, the pressure reached 29 pounds and the capsule ruptured, effectively releasing the heat and damping the fire. But it was too late. They were already dead.
Let me put in some additional questions here. If this was not murder and just an example of extreme stupidity in governmental slow motion why did government agents in rapid action, raid Grissom's home before anyone knew about the fire? Why did they remove all his personal papers and his diary? Why didn't they bring his diary, or any other paper with the word "Apollo" on it back, when they returned some of his personal papers to his widow? And if it really took 29 psi to blow the cabin why didn't they use regular air at higher pressure?
Also was it really the vicissitudes of life that the outward opening hatch was coincidentally changed that very morning to one that opened inward? An inward opening hatch meant that any inside pressure, acting outward, would prevent it from being opened—even if someone was standing by, which they weren't.
It was also boiled up from the outside and lacked explosive bolts. 20
THE AFTERMATH
NASA should have known better. And they did! You have read earlier of the men injured in flash explosive fires in their own tests. NASA had even commissioned a report by Dr. Emanuel M. Roth which was published in 1964. Dr. Roth cited difficulties with 100 percent oxygen atmospheres even under low pressures. Any competent engineer should have known the dangers of oxygen at 16.7 or 20.2 psi.
This is why I cannot believe that this was "standard operating procedure," or that Grissom and his crew knew that about it. NASA not only ignored their own tests on pure low pressure oxygen but upped the ante by increasing the pressure above atmospheric.
Kennan and Harvey had this to say,
"Most U.S. scientists could not believe their ears when they learned that fact. Oxygen at such pressure comes in the category of an 'oxygen bomb.'" 21
A Board of Inquiry termed "The Apollo 204 Review Board" was quickly convened to investigate the fatal fire by appointing astronaut Frank Borman as the chairman. In effect, NASA sent the fox into the chicken house to investigate mysterious disappearances of the occupants.
The board's final report was about what you might expect when an in-house investigation investigates itself:
"One key to the caution which reveals itself on every page of the Board's report is that it was written by government employees. Thompson himself was director of the space agency's Langley Research center, and no fewer than six of the eight Board members were NASA officials." 22
The pressure of 16.7 psi is quoted from Journey to Tranquility where the authors wrote that they learned the pressure of the pure oxygen in the capsule was 2 psi over atmospheric. Collins reported it as nearly 16 psi. It seems strange that NASA told two insiders, Borman and Collins, plus the authors of Tranquility three different capsule pressures? Apparently NASA, like the rest of us find it almost impossible to keep all the little white lies straight. And if it's a group lie we get the results shown in this book.
Borman writes that,
"We brought in every learned mind we could enlist—including a chemistry expert from Cornell..." 23
Didn't this expert know that oxygen has a deep and forceful desire to breed little oxides by passionately mating with hydrocarbons and carbohydrates? Didn't this "so-called" expert tell them that?
Borman, played dumb when he was called before Congress. In testifying under oath he said,
"None of us were fully aware of the hazard that existed when you combine a pure-oxygen atmosphere with the extensive distribution of combustible materials and a likely source of ignition... and so this test... was not classified as hazardous."24
And if Borman was as unaware of all the dangerous fires that erupted during NASA's own safety tests over the years why did he later write about 20.2 psi oxygen in this manner,
"That is an extremely dangerous environment, the equivalent of sitting on a live bomb, waiting for someone to light the fuse. " 25
Aldrin in his 1989 book, Men From Earth written twenty-two years after the cremation has this to say,
"As every high school chemistry student learns, when a smoldering match is put into a beaker of oxygen, it blazes into a spectacular flame." 26
He (Aldrin) continues by telling us how there was a multitude of switches and miles of electrical wiring all of which were easy to short and could act as a match.
"But the risk was considered acceptable because, in space, the astronauts could instantly depressurize their cabin..." 27
Hey Buzz, didn't you claim that the reason your EVA [extravehicular activity] on the Moon was late in starting because it took so long to vent the last of the oxygen from the LEM?
Borman, who held a Masters in engineering and taught thermodynamics at West Point claims nobody was aware of the danger! After all these years Aldrin now claims he knew. Obviously, either Borman is lying or Aldrin didn't have the guts to open his mouth.
When Deke Slayton was asked about the pressure test he reportedly blurted out,
"Man, we've just been lucky. We've used the same test on everything we've done with the Mercury and the Gemini up to this point, and we've just been lucky as hell." 28
Why do I doubt that? I suspect that everything about the pressurization test is a lie. I think that it was a one time only occurrence specially configured to suit the job at hand.
Borman contended that Ed White and his wife Pat were friends of his and that he listened to the audio tapes of the fire over and over again.
Then he states,
"The only comfort derived from listening to the tapes was the knowledge that the agony hadn't lasted long; that death had come from noxious fumes before the flames reached them." 29
Borman's acumen might be judged by the fact that Eastern Airlines played submarine when he was at the helm as CEO. Nobody dies in 14 seconds from noxious fumes. Ed White died inhaling super heated oxygen which set fire to his lungs, throat and skin the same way that technician's hand burned in the test years before. The chances are that they survived for minutes and were conscious for a good part of that time. However, death was definite after the first breath.
by coffin_dodger » Wed May 01, 2019 2:56 pm
by RocketMan » Wed May 01, 2019 4:07 pm
by PufPuf93 » Wed May 01, 2019 4:51 pm
coffin_dodger » Wed May 01, 2019 11:56 am wrote:Isn't the entire question of whether the US landed on the moon a question of belief?
Because belief has the magical ability to make uncomfortable things - and where they might lead to - disappear without a trace.
If they can pull off a lie that big, which the whole world swallowed - what other falsehoods are possible? Where does the lie end and the truth begin?
There is so much that stinks about the moon landings that it's getting harder to contain a realistic narrative. But the line must surely be held by whatever means necessary - or else the floodgates could open to 'who the hell do we trust any more?' That could get messy for everyone.
by BenDhyan » Wed May 01, 2019 7:11 pm
by Belligerent Savant » Wed May 01, 2019 8:07 pm
Around the time we were fighting communism in Vietnam (and other countries in south-east Asia) we began to sell Russia, later to be called the Evil Empire, wheat by the mega-ton at an ultra-cheap price.
On July 8, 1972 our government shocked the entire world by announcing that we would sell about one-fourth of our entire crop of wheat to Russia at a fixed price of $1.63 per bushel. According to these sources we were about to produce another bumper crop while the Russian crop would be 10-20 percent less. The market price at the time of the announcement was $1.50 but immediately soared to a new high of $2.44 a bushel.
America Gets the Shaft
By Mark J. Penn,
November 16, 1973
The 1972 U.S.-Soviet grain deal was an economic Bay of Pigs for the Nixon administration. Henry A. Kissinger '50 led the ill-planned and uncoordinated foray into Soviet economic policy which resulted in disastrous consequences for U.S. markets and international prestige.
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