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Something's Happening to the Sun Right Now...

Postby Harvey » Sun May 19, 2019 7:57 am

Late last year at any rate...

Something's Happening to the Sun Right Now, Here's What It Means for Earth

Scientists say Earth's atmosphere is about to get hit by some record cold – but it's not because of anything caused by humans. It's because of a lack of sunspots which means a major decrease in ultraviolet waves coming in our direction.

Dr. Tony Philipps of says there have been practically no sunspots in 2018, and that's causing earth's upper atmosphere to cool down and even shrink. He cites some experts from NASA.

"We see a cooling trend," says Martin Mlynczak of NASA's Langley Research Center. "High above Earth's surface, near the edge of space, our atmosphere is losing heat energy. If current trends continue, it could soon set a Space Age record for cold." ... t-it-means


Space Weather Impacts On Climate

...The duration of solar minimum may also have an impact on Earth's climate. During solar minimum there is a maximum in the amount of Cosmic rays, high energy particles whose source is outside our Solar system, reaching earth. There is a theory that cosmic rays can create nucleation sites in the atmosphere which seed cloud formation and create cloudier conditions. If this were true, then there would be a significant impact on climate, which would be modulated by the 11-year solar cycle. ... ts-climate

And yet, record high temperatures set month on month, year on year. Those considering the maunder minimum hypothesis might wonder where that stands next to this gem from the BBC via Quaternary Science Reviews:

America colonisation ‘cooled Earth's climate’

Colonisation of the Americas at the end of the 15th Century killed so many people, it disturbed Earth's climate.

That's the conclusion of scientists from University College London, UK.

The team says the disruption that followed European settlement led to a huge swathe of abandoned agricultural land being reclaimed by fast-growing trees and other vegetation.

This pulled down enough carbon dioxide (CO₂) from the atmosphere to eventually chill the planet.

It's a cooling period often referred to in the history books as the "Little Ice Age" - a time when winters in Europe would see the Thames in London regularly freeze over.

"The Great Dying of the Indigenous Peoples of the Americas led to the abandonment of enough cleared land that the resulting terrestrial carbon uptake had a detectable impact on both atmospheric CO₂ and global surface air temperatures," Alexander Koch and colleagues write in their paper published in Quaternary Science Reviews.

Which is also an interesting theory. I couldn't help notice the above piece by BBC (and a number of other news agencies but not all) quoted Prof Mark Maslin as having made this rather intriguing formulation:

There is a marked cooling around that time (1500s/1600s) which is called the Little Ice Age, and what's interesting is that we can see natural processes giving a little bit of cooling, but actually to get the full cooling - double the natural processes - you have to have this genocide-generated drop in CO₂.

The paper itself (PDF of the full paper available at the link) suggests the maunder minimum can't account for the extent of the cooling.

For TSI theSporer Minimum (1416e1537 CE) and the Maunder Minimum(1645e1715 CE) are commonly suggested to explain the cool pe-riods during LIA conditions seen in Europe, but these events leave agap between the mid-1500s to mid-1600s, and so are not the causeof the increased land carbon stocks or the decline in temperatureduring this period

Despite what should be a relatively cool period we're experiencing a steady rise in temperature. We might conclude that preserving all remaining forest and reforestation at a frantic rate is our single best option for carbon sequestration and thereby survival, in a situation which even genocide can't affect. As Guy McPherson has pointed out, even if you removed every single human being on the planet, in the short term this would make the situation far worse, for a number of reasons. But, apparently deforestation continues to remove an area the size of Belgium annually and is currently accelerating in the Amazon region of Brazil among other places.

Considering the gargantuan scale of global fossil subsidies, trillions annually, currently we have the resources to pay for preservation and reforestation, but a relative minority have channeled our attention, talents and resources elsewhere. In any case, as the above suggests, it's probably far worse than we think.
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Re: Something's Happening to the Sun Right Now...

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Sun May 19, 2019 3:08 pm

The next solar minimum is long overdue and, barring further anomalies, should be ~10 years in duration.

This is remarkably unfortunate timing as the mainstream of climate activism has quintupled down to "WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE IN 12 YEARS" level rhetoric. As global temperatures start inching back downwards, this will only serve to validate every "it's snowing outside, libtards, where is your global warming now" sad fat man in the conversation.

Having lived through several brutal waves of activist front demoralization -- post anti-Globalization before 9/11 and post-Occupy -- I feel for those who are about to take the plunge. Hopefully some of them wake up in the process instead of becoming Democrats or Republicans -- or worse, "anarchists."

It is important to remember that Total Lies can win, even long-term, if they are well financed and ruthless enough, which is why we still have Christianity, Islam and String Theory. Scientists will be reduced to quantifying the tidal wave of death as our Sixth Extinction gets underway in earnest, and all of the talent and infrastructure behind Climate Justice activism will be picked over by more popular, better-paid causes.

Al Gore will find life slightly more difficult than usual, and compensate in ways that will surprise us all.
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Re: Something's Happening to the Sun Right Now...

Postby tron » Mon May 20, 2019 1:00 pm

so if the atmosphere retracting and it gets hotter, does this mean its a bit like compression? so the heat from the sun actually regulates the temp kepping it just right and without it it would get very hot?
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Re: Something's Happening to the Sun Right Now...

Postby Sounder » Mon May 20, 2019 2:08 pm

Hey, come on now Wombat, is this really the place for a voice of sanity. :rofl2

Or to be more low key; I don't know Wombat, the introspection required by that line of thinking is getting right in the way of 'firm science backed conclusions'.
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Re: Something's Happening to the Sun Right Now...

Postby DrEvil » Mon May 20, 2019 2:33 pm

The real fun will start when the solar cycle turns in 10-15 years and it starts adding to the heating again. We might see a massive spike just at the 12-year limit that everyone is talking about. Who knows, it might even spur us to take some serious action if we get a big enough "oh fuck" moment. But yeah, the next ten years of climate science denier assholes being smug is going to suck. Some people would rather burn the world than be wrong.
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