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'Well, son of a bitch!' Bidens, CFR, CIA, & media cover-up.

Postby MacCruiskeen » Sat Sep 28, 2019 12:19 pm

The BBC today, in an unsigned front-page screed:

Mr Trump has alleged, without evidence, that Mr Biden pressed for the sacking of a Ukrainian prosecutor to protect a business that employed his son.


"Without evidence", BBC? You mean there's none available? Really? How extraordinary. Have you tried using that newfangled Internet thingumajig?


https://youtu.be/KCF9My1vBP4

Not since 9/11 have I seen the corporate media lie quite so shamelessly, blatantly and unanimously about anything. Does a filmed confession by Vice President Biden himself, live on stage at the Council on Foreign Relations not count as evidence?

They're all at it! Internationale Solidarität! De r Spiegel in Germany has been no less obsequiously obliging than the BBC in London when it comes to kissing (and covering) the four-buttocked collective arse of Biden père et fils (links in German):

https://www.broeckers.com/2019/09/25/na ... -gefloppt/

https://www.anti-spiegel.ru/2019/fakten ... -luege-auf

(How about the French press? Stay tuned for no surprises.)

Now a little thought-experiment. Close your eyes for ten seconds and imagine VP Biden's insouciant boast had been made by President Trump instead. Imagine the whole bragging-session in Trump's orange voice. Then imagine the hacks' closed-ranks reaction. Imagine their unanimous outrage at Trump's "thuggishness", his "vulgarity", his "bully-boy tactics", his "Mafioso politics". Imagine all the furious calls for him to resign or be impeached. Just imagine. It isn't hard to do.


https://youtu.be/toCb3h1iTXs
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Postby seemslikeadream » Sat Sep 28, 2019 12:21 pm

trump ADMITTED to his crime

Confessed

Clinton Cash strikes again!

Not Just Ukraine: Rudy and Bannon Try a Whole New Way to Slime Biden
The president and his allies, from Peter Schweizer to Frank Gaffney, want to open a new front on the former VP’s son, even as their Ukraine gambit appears to have backfired.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/rudy-giul ... -china-too


Team Trump’s 2020 strategy is Clinton Cash all over again
https://www.mediamatters.org/rudy-giuli ... over-again


Trump’s Big Lie About Joe Biden, Hunter Biden and Ukraine Falls Apart
In pushing to oust the former prosecutor, Biden did the right thing, no matter the personal cost.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/trumps-bi ... alls-apart
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Postby MacCruiskeen » Sat Sep 28, 2019 12:28 pm

I'm asking you politely to stay out of this thread.
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Postby seemslikeadream » Sat Sep 28, 2019 12:30 pm

you can ask but I doubt I will let your posts go unchallenged depending how much time I have but I can guarantee you I will be polite and there will be no personal attacks by me or any cut and paste posts. Seems odd that you do not want or can not handle a different point of view in your OPs
It’s ‘Clinton Cash’ all over again as the media blow the Trump whistleblower story
Joshua Holland / Raw StorySeptember 21, 2019
https://www.alternet.org/2019/09/its-cl ... wer-story/


This maybe my last post here but I can not say for sure
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Postby MacCruiskeen » Sat Sep 28, 2019 12:52 pm

Fine. Let's see if you're serious about that. Let's see if you can actually manage a reasoned exchange in your own words,.or (even better) stay away entirely. But if you attempt once more to destroy this thread the way you are destroying the 'Democrats 2019' thread -- with acres of copypasted corporate-media bullcrap, reams of all-lower-case inanities and irrelevancies, strings of infantile ROTFLs and/or vomitmaking little-girl-dancing emoticons -- then I will flag your post instantly to the mods and request your immediate suspension.
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Re: 'Well, son of a bitch!' Bidens, CFR, CIA, & media cover-

Postby seemslikeadream » Sat Sep 28, 2019 12:53 pm

sure

but you didn't demand in your Democrat thread that all the posts be negative

I'll be polite here a courtesy which you never gave to me in my threads, yes you alert on any of my posts that are rule breaking I should demand it

rest assured I will not be starting my own Biden thread, a style you are familiar with which I have no interest in

as the treasonous trump tries to focus on Biden

carry on
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Postby RocketMan » Sat Sep 28, 2019 1:59 pm

Ah, this thread feels like a refreshing shower. Thank you MacCruiskeen. :hihi:
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Postby Elvis » Sat Sep 28, 2019 2:14 pm

SLaD, please respect the OP's wishes and don't post further in this thread, which, if I may summarize it, is about the media's reportage on the Bidens' activities in Ukraine. Thanks.
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Postby Elvis » Sat Sep 28, 2019 2:22 pm

This thread is not going to be about you, SLaD. Stop now.
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Postby RocketMan » Sat Sep 28, 2019 2:29 pm

NO EVIDENCE indeed. These people have been raiding the former Soviet Union for all they're worth ever since 1991 for chrissakes.
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Postby RocketMan » Sat Sep 28, 2019 2:34 pm

Here's a Forbes article clumsily running interference for the Bidens:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/lisettevoy ... 63849e3938

A couple of observations:

As vice president, Joe Biden was tasked with reducing corruption in Ukraine


Yes, we've really gotten to the point, where it can be blithely asserted that the US vice president can be "tasked with" combating corruption in foreign countries.

The overlap between the vice president and his son raised concerns over a potential conflict of interest. The Obama White House said there was no issue with Hunter Biden’s work, and that no conflict of interest existed.


Oh, okay then. Whew, I was getting worried, but thanks for clearing that up, Obama White House. And "overlap" sounds like a very liberal establishment/Obama word for nepotism. :mrgreen:

Before Shokin was fired, he had been conducting an investigation of Burisma, and Hunter Biden allegedly was a subject. But the investigation had been inactive for over a year by the time Joe Biden pushed for Shokin’s ouster.


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Postby Iamwhomiam » Sat Sep 28, 2019 4:44 pm

Elvis wrote:SLaD, please respect the OP's wishes and don't post further in this thread, which, if I may summarize it, is about the media's reportage on the Bidens' activities in Ukraine. Thanks.


This is a discussion board, not Mac's private blog. No one should have the right to demand another RI member to be prohibited from any discussion, regardless who initiated the thread. It is censorship without reason, especially because we have a feature Mac or any other member can use to block their view of anything contributed by another poster anywhere they post. Elvis, I think your a fair moderator, but this move sets a very bad precedent for RI, imo.

(Should I ask for chump or Ben to never again contribute to the How Bad is Global Warming thread, or is that right now only permitted those who initiated the OP? How about if I ask for chump's last comment in that thread be moved to the How Bad is Global Warming Denial thread, where it belongs?)

Mac, if you have any sort of proof there had been an investigation into Hunter Biden by the ousted Ukrainian Prosecutor, please produce it. I am no fan of Biden's, btw, knowing his history, as I do from having fought policies he's supported. Same with Trump, except I was opposing Trump's policy of taking illegal actions against his tenants.

Reporters Should Stop Helping Donald Trump Spread Lies About Joe Biden and Ukraine
Robert Mackey

September 22 2019, 9:23 p.m.

https://theintercept.com/2019/09/22/reporters-stop-helping-donald-trump-spread-lies-joe-biden-ukraine/

Despite having previously closed the case against Burisma, Lutsenko decided to reopen it this year for reasons that are unclear. It might have had something to do, however, with Rudy Giuliani inviting Lutsenko to New York last year and ultimately meeting with him in January. Nevertheless, nothing came of the second effort to go after Burisma, and Lutsenko is no longer in office after new Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky requested his removal.


Above excerpted from:
What Actually Happened Between Joe Biden and Ukraine, Explained

Hint: It’s not what President Trump wants the media to believe

https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/biden-ukraine-prosecutor-trump-tweet-888662/

Edited to add this:

WASHINGTON — Former Ukrainian prosecutor Yuriy Lutsenko said Friday that he was not aware of “any possible violation of Ukrainian law by (Joe) Biden and by (Hunter Biden).”


Former Ukrainian prosecutor: I'm not aware of 'any possible violation of Ukrainian law' by the Bidens

[url][https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2019/09/27/ukrainian-prosecutor-says-joe-biden-hunter-biden-did-not-violate-laws/3789411002//url]
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Postby conniption » Sat Sep 28, 2019 7:51 pm

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On The Motives Behind Whistleblower-gate

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Postby 82_28 » Sat Sep 28, 2019 9:59 pm

Christ almighty. SLAD and all members are free to post where they want. No "rules" have been broken and no member should feel trepidation about responding to someone else's OP thread. There might be some confusion as to my mentality in this given a previous recent thread in which I asked to have the name change. I erred on not fucking with it. Wasn't my business. There is an ignore command that can be used but everyone is free as it is and cannot be told what they can and cannot do.
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Re: 'Well, son of a bitch!' Bidens, CFR, CIA, & media cover-

Postby Belligerent Savant » Sun Sep 29, 2019 1:19 am

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Thank you for initiating this thread, Mac. A topic in dire need of a proper assessment.


Conniption's MoA raises a number of points, one of which is the following snip (which I also encountered elsewhere on the web). The timing of the referenced revision is very fortuitous, if one believes anything in politics happens purely by chance:

Until very recently the intelligence community complaint form required that any claimant had first hand knowledge of the complaint issue. The form was changed in August (more here: https://mobile.twitter.com/climateaudit ... 3566093312) but uploaded only on September 24 to also allow for hearsay to be the basis of a complaint. This reinforces the impression that the complaint is part of a larger intelligence operation. Who initiated the change?



A few additional 'breadcrumbs' for consideration, Re: Biden and his dealings in the Ukraine:



[Biden] insists that, in spring 2016, he strong-armed Ukraine to fire its chief prosecutor solely because Biden believed that official was corrupt and inept, not because the Ukrainian was investigating a natural gas company, Burisma Holdings, that hired Biden's son, Hunter, into a lucrative job.

There's just one problem.

Hundreds of pages of never-released memos and documents — many from inside the American team helping Burisma to stave off its legal troubles — conflict with Biden’s narrative.

And they raise the troubling prospect that U.S. officials may have painted a false picture in Ukraine that helped ease Burisma’s legal troubles and stop prosecutors’ plans to interview Hunter Biden during the 2016 U.S. presidential election.

For instance, Burisma’s American legal representatives met with Ukrainian officials just days after Biden forced the firing of the country’s chief prosecutor and offered “an apology for dissemination of false information by U.S. representatives and public figures” about the Ukrainian prosecutors, according to the Ukrainian government’s official memo of the meeting. The effort to secure that meeting began the same day the prosecutor's firing was announced.

Translation of the memo here:

https://www.scribd.com/document/4276161 ... ranslation

In addition, Burisma’s American team offered to introduce Ukrainian prosecutors to Obama administration officials to make amends, according to that memo and the American legal team’s internal emails.

The memos raise troubling questions:

1.) If the Ukraine prosecutor’s firing involved only his alleged corruption and ineptitude, why did Burisma's American legal team refer to those allegations as “false information?"

2.) If the firing had nothing to do with the Burisma case, as Biden has adamantly claimed, why would Burisma’s American lawyers contact the replacement prosecutor within hours of the termination and urgently seek a meeting in Ukraine to discuss the case?

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... there is both a public interest and an ethics question to knowing if Hunter Biden and his team sought State’s assistance while his father was vice president.

The controversy ignited anew earlier this year when I disclosed that Joe Biden admitted during a 2018 videotaped speech that, as vice president in March 2016, he threatened to cancel $1 billion in U.S. loan guarantees, to pressure Ukraine’s then-President Petro Poroshenko to fire Shokin.

At the time, Shokin’s office was investigating Burisma. Shokin told me he was making plans to question Hunter Biden about $3 million in fees that Biden and his partner, Archer, collected from Burisma through their American firm. Documents seized by the FBI in an unrelated case confirm the payments, which in many months totaled more than $166,000.

Some media outlets have reported that, at the time Joe Biden forced the firing in March 2016, there were no open investigations. Those reports are wrong. A British-based investigation of Burisma's owner was closed down in early 2015 on a technicality when a deadline for documents was not met. But the Ukraine Prosecutor General's office still had two open inquiries in March 2016, according to the official case file provided me. One of those cases involved taxes; the other, allegations of corruption. Burisma announced the cases against it were not closed and settled until January 2017.


After I first reported it in a column, the New York Times and ABC News published similar stories confirming my reporting.

Joe Biden has since responded that he forced Shokin’s firing over concerns about corruption and ineptitude, which he claims were widely shared by Western allies, and that it had nothing to do with the Burisma investigation.

Some of the new documents I obtained call that claim into question.

In a newly sworn affidavit prepared for a European court, Shokin testified that when he was fired in March 2016, he was told the reason was that Biden was unhappy about the Burisma investigation. “The truth is that I was forced out because I was leading a wide-ranging corruption probe into Burisma Holdings, a natural gas firm active in Ukraine and Joe Biden’s son, Hunter Biden, was a member of the Board of Directors,” Shokin testified.

“On several occasions President Poroshenko asked me to have a look at the case against Burisma and consider the possibility of winding down the investigative actions in respect of this company but I refused to close this investigation,” Shokin added.

Shokin certainly would have reason to hold a grudge over his firing. But his account is supported by documents from Burisma’s legal team in America, which appeared to be moving into Ukraine with intensity as Biden’s effort to fire Shokin picked up steam.



Entire article at link:

https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/46 ... aine-story



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