What's going on?

[overcoming hope]

Oh just wanted to add, if there are 'sides' I think everyone here is on the same 'side', everyone is acting in good faith I think so I hope everyone has a great day and lets not let this frustrating world get us too down.

[82_28]

You know what I am not going to do, Mac? You guessed it. Suspend or ban you. Raise your hands and ask yourself if you are here to hurt, troll or in approval to others doing so. I am a fucking moderator. I moderate only to make this place last, perhaps and not have others adversely affected. This has been a hell of a week and as mod I am a character that cannot part with the responsibilities of not being my true and usual foul mouthed yet sensitive to others self. I know it is tantalizing to be a dickhead online but end of the day I cannot allow dickheads to go on and moderate as such. To me a moderator must be fair. Maybe it's old fashioned to have common courtesy.

What? What does that purport to be a reply to? This?

Post by MacCruiskeen » Sun Oct 06, 2019 6:31 am


Well, by damn. After hour upon hour upon hour of blatant dishonesty and prevarication by the guy behind the moniker "82_28", we finally learn the truth (and of course not from him, but from an honest man):

I've been busy and away, and checked in about an hour ago.

No one consulted with me on decisions made the last two days. I am as surprised as anyone.

If 82_28 will have the courtesy to reply to my PM, maybe I'll learn what happened.

Emphasis added, and no apologies for the size, the bolding or the colour. If anything deserves to be made unignorable, this does

.

NB: That is the second time in nine months that 82_28 has pulled the exact same despicable stunt on his co-moderator and alleged friend, Elvis.

The name "Rigorous Intuition" has become a very sick joke. It is now a dismally depleted Safe Space for liars and sneaks, a place where anyone noticing the most obvious truths will be called a bully or (even more absurdly) a censor.

Someone wants it to be this way.

Why are you even mentioning banning or suspension, 82_28? Is it now actually forbidden to notice truths, to name them, to characterise people's behaviour accurately, or to quote a moderator telling the truth?

Or are you actually going to accuse Elvis of lying about all this? Surely not.

If 82_28 will have the courtesy to reply to my PM, maybe I'll learn what happened.

That's a big "if".

Meanwhile, Elvis is still moderator. That hasn't (yet) changed, thank God, and let's hope it doesn't, because he is a very good mod and he has kept this place alive for the last nine months. The future of RI is gonna be grim indeed if Elvis is forced out of here for the second time since last December by the same alleged colleague and false "friend" pulling the same dirty trick behind his back.


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You have the benefit of the doubt bro. I gave it to you because of my placement in this hodgepodge way of doing things here. Why I did so is because I don't give a fuck however others do what they do. I can be a dick right back but I won't well, because I am a mod and am really trying to not let this shit fully devolve and be corrupted by juvenile hate. EVERY SINGLE PERSON THAT HAS AN ACCOUNT HERE IS FREE TO DO WHAT THEY DO AS LONG IT DOES NOT CORNER ANOTHER IN A PERSONAL WAY. That is it. Moderating means being moderate. You're not the only one who accesses and communicates via this site.

[Harvey]

unreal it is like Jeff, the owner of this board never came here yesterday, I am not sure what else he can do to maintain order on this board. They are ignoring the owner of this board, truly the mosts disrespectful thing they can do

Jeff expressed a wish that flooding not be done. Why are you flooding the board?

SLAD can't see that it's never been personal. Opposition to Trump is not the same as flooding the board with fabricated intelligence community propaganda. End of.

AD and Jerky on the other hand don't even care enough to be conflicted. Both should be perma-banned.

[82_28]

This is getting lamer and lamer. Why should they be perma banned? Just top of the head examples you might have.

[seemslikeadream]

I guess he also did not read Jeff's post

it seems even Jeff (THE OWNER OF THIS PLACE) coming here can not stop this for some people

how much clearer can he be

Jeff
I don't want anybody banned or the board to be heavily moderated.

[NeonLX]

Oh just wanted to add, if there are 'sides' I think everyone here is on the same 'side', everyone is acting in good faith I think so I hope everyone has a great day and lets not let this frustrating world get us too down.

Much grass. And well stated. Thank you.

[seemslikeadream]

SLAD can't see that it's never been personal. Opposition to Trump is not the same as flooding the board with fabricated intelligence community propaganda. End of.

AD and Jerky on the other hand don't even care enough to be conflicted. Both should be perma-banned.

Well a personal attack by you against me all the while you are chiding me that it's never been personal you really take the cake

I have a hundred of examples of personal attacks against me by 4 members here over the last 3 years

why don't YOU go back to coffin_dogger's RI HATE SITE that you are a member of and make up some more bullshit about Jeff and some of the members here YES I have ALL the screen shots about what you all really think of this place even the "private" shit deleting won't help you now or you could read Jeff's post and just stop

I am tempted to produce that little play about Jeff that was posted there......hate in the extreme...but you all just want what is best for RI

Attention lurkers from "Altered Minds"
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=40629

and I am done with you also I will not be replying to you again, I don't like people making shit up about me so we are finished

[coffin_dodger]

why don't YOU go back to coffin_dogger's RI HATE SITE that you are a member of and make up some more bullshit about Jeff and some of the members here YES I have ALL the screen shots about what you all really think of this place even the "private" shit deleting won't help you now or you could read Jeff's post and just stop

Really - name-calling at your age?

Are you collating it all, to hand into the authorities as evidence, so that I'll hang at some point?

Self-obsession can be so ugly. I hope you find peace, one day.

[Harvey]

SLAD can't see that it's never been personal. Opposition to Trump is not the same as flooding the board with fabricated intelligence community propaganda. End of.

AD and Jerky on the other hand don't even care enough to be conflicted. Both should be perma-banned.

Well a personal attack by you against me all the while you are chiding me that it's never been personal you really take the cake

I have a hundred of examples of personal attacks against me by 4 members here over the last 3 years

why don't YOU go back to coffin_dogger's RI HATE SITE that you are a member of and make up some more bullshit about Jeff and some of the members here YES I have ALL the screen shots about what you all really think of this place even the "private" shit deleting won't help you now or you could read Jeff's post and just stop

I am tempted to produce that little play about Jeff that was posted there......hate in the extreme...but you all just want what is best for RI

and I am done with you also I will not be replying to you again, I don't like people making shit up about me so we are finished

There you go again. Please post all your evidence including this 'private stuff' of me making things up about Jeff, or anyone else on the board.

[seemslikeadream]

I am very sorry to 82 and Jeff for replying in this thread I am done now. I have said my peace

I hadn't put Harvey on ignore yet so reading another personal attack/advocating for members to be banned and responding to it was a mistake on my part it will definitely not happen again, promise

It appears the personal attacks are never going to end no matter what Jeff says and how much time he takes out of his life to come here and give us some guidance a couple people will just keep it up but at least now I have 4 people on ignore so I will never see them

[MacCruiskeen]

[...]

AD and Jerky on the other hand don't even care enough to be conflicted. Both should be perma-banned.

Seconded, that part, 100%.

[Iamwhomiam]

Good Morning Viet Nam!

Phew! My goodness! Seems our powerlessness to alter our world to our liking has led to acting out from frustration. I suppose that gives me the right to vent too, but I'll share my point of view politely.

RocketMan I love you, as I do all, but I like you too, and generally respect your opinions. Most of the time I do agree with your point of view, but not always. I don't like everyone here, though, and I don't feel any good would come from sharing my reasons for why I don't. I also like Mac, even though I loath his offensive conduct. Mac rarely posted for a very long time and has had a long history of criticizing RIs moderators, complaining Mr. WRex was an inadequate and inconsistent moderator. We've all seen his recent outbursts spread across several threads and a few new ones that were dedicated to his complaint, demanding satisfaction. Imho, Mac's complaint is not a topic for discussion, but one that should have been taken directly to the board's management via PM, and there resolved. Talk about thread disruption! Shades of Hugh Manatee Wins! (sorry, Hugh)

But to my point in addressing you specifically, my complaint, if you will, is found in this you wrote earlier,

To pretend that one member of this board is not flooding the board with blatantly mainstream news articles / propaganda is just... well... denying reality. I don't understand why it cannot be said as a fact. Does someone have to carry out a statistical analysis? Is flooding not adverse to the general usefulness of the board? This dynamic reminds me of abusive family systems. Someone points out an abusive feature of someone's BEHAVIOUR, then that someone responds with "waah waah why is everybody being mean to me". SLAD has never once addressed their flooding behaviour, always choosing to deflect. It just smacks of gaslighting to me, dunno.

Particularly, your first sentence, but there is more, as well. I don't think anyone here is denying reality, but to remind you of what Jeff has requested, I'll quote his commentary below. (bold emphasis added)

There's no way this won't sound anodyne, but isn't the board big enough for everyone?

I won't pretend to be up to speed on all of the disagreements here, but maybe that's good. The issues are maybe irrelevant to my point, which is that you don't all need to be pals, but maybe you do need to give each other some space.

I don't want anybody banned or the board to be heavily moderated. In return, all I'd like is some basic, online courtesy. Like not flooding someone's thread, or driving discussion off topic, or making vicious personal attacks. That kind of stuff.

Jeff out.

In that you're referring to slad's posting habits, is the 'flooding' referred to occurring in someone other than her own thread? Has her posting habits driven off topic any discussion or is it the complaints about her posting habits that drives a discussion off topic?

Regardless, again this is a matter that if it cannot be resolved via pm, between she and her complainant , whether or not the complainant initiated the thread, should be brought via pm to the board's managers to seek resolution. And the resolution decided by our mods should end once and forever the practice being complained about or the complaints about her behavior.

We have two ready remedies each poster has to avoid slad's prolific archiving of news articles: The first would be to simply scroll past the article(s) she's posted without reading any, especially if you're uninterested in what information they might relate, or by choosing to place her on "Ignore." This last was a new feature Lynne and justdrew designed into RI's current platform.

So, everyone, please be mature enough to monitor your own behavior, and if you can't, please resort to using the ignore tool made available to everyone and please allow discussion to flow, maturely, without demonstrating how poorly an adult can behave.

To repeat Jeff, " all I'd like is some basic, online courtesy."

[RocketMan]

I appreciate your post Iamwhoiam. The flooding that I speak of is just generally posting so much in so many threads so often that conversations are pushed down and out of the front page at such a clip that it amounts to pretty much a single contributor dominating the front page. The ignore function is useful, that is true. I recognize my part in furthering the currently pretty toxic atmosphere, but PMs are probably not going to help in my case, as my relations with SLAD have degenerated to such an extreme degree. I'm no doubt driven by (a more or less misguided, probably) nostalgia for a pre-"Trump nervous breakdown era" of RI when the general consensus seemed to be that intelligence agencies should not be trusted as sources willy-nilly, or their mouthpieces in the corporate media. I have no problem with SLAD continuing to post here and I really have by now said everything there is to say about why I am sad that she persists in her massive amount of posting.

But, as Kurt Vonnegut so memorably put it, so it goes.

[Iamwhomiam]

Thank you RocketMan. It's difficult to rid ourselves of our grudges, but who else can? We have to make a conscious effort to resist whatever impulse drives us to impolitely act out, but whether you will or you won't is solely up to you, like quitting smoking or any other negative behavior. Right now I'm practicing surpressing my urge to react to Mac's interference in AD's Troll thread. I know that if I do, I will become invested in emotions I'm trying to avoid engaging at this point in my life. So why bother? How would that benefit me, personally, or the board, in general? Adding more turds to the pile is not the sort of contribution I want to offer here, nor would such be much appreciated by anyone.

[peartreed]

While enjoying a hiatus from posting on the board I’ve still dropped in to read it since I particularly enjoy the content and commentary about the postings by Seemslikeadream.

Unlike those of you in urban centers overwhelmed by news media saturation there are some of us reliant upon the internet to source current news stories and political coverage of all parties and sides. SLAD’s posts are thus welcomed and informative, as well as entertaining and reliable for the political picture and pundit opinions presented by mainstream media, and her commentary adds lively personality and perspective to her posts whether or not one agrees with it. That appreciation has been enjoyed for the many years I've been here.

I’ve usually reacted the same way to posts by American Dream, appreciating the contribution.

Jack’s objection, along with his acolytes, apparently centers on the view that those posts represent the “corporate media State-Department fake – woke – anarchist propaganda” version of the news, as well as their volume “flooding” the board (and thus drowning out his own contrary views and archived posts). Oh, if only the world conformed to our personal political perspective and revered our insight exclusively! Thankfully it is instead comprised of a vast cosmopolitan gathering of varied opinion and intellect shared by a wide range of people.

Fortunately also at least one mod isn’t coerced or intimidated into conforming to his preferred policy pronouncements and prerequisites to personalize the place further to his own particular tastes.

I’d also like to welcome back American Dream and Jerky LeBoeuf to the varied mix of fine minds here.
I went to university with Gabor Mate and I enjoy his son’s views, noting Jack has admired them both as well. I’m also sympathetic to some of Jack’s political outlook. But I think empathy towards individuals is also an element of emotional maturity needed to accommodate the kaleidoscope of kindred interest here in the RI board exchanges.

Intellect needs to be balanced by basic human decency for group respect and healthy dynamics online.