Why Do People Apologize For Russia?

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Re: Why Do People Apologize For Russia?

Postby seemslikeadream » Tue Sep 17, 2019 9:30 am

Grizzly » Tue Sep 17, 2019 8:15 am wrote:
antisemitism is never ok here


I REALLY don't appreciate your nasty accusations, that I posted something antisemitic, and you use the opportunity to sew doubt. That move was uncalled for and deliberately deceitful. In one short sentence I've just lost ALL respect for you.You and your Russia obsessive Dem rah rah bullshit goes on my foe list.

After the many years of being here myself, I have never put anyone on ignore. But here we are. Liar.



after all the crap I have taken from you, you have been suspended for stuff you have said about/to me so being ignored by you is fine and that the personal insults by you will finally stop

you couldn't even apologize or acknowledge what you posted was wrong when Elvis replied to your post, maybe I missed it? If you hadn’t watched it to the end all you had to do is admit it

personal history: I was subjected to YEARS!! of personal insults by solace falsely accusing me of anti-semitism when I had never posted anything anti-semitic and finally challenged him to look at 50,000 posts made by me here and DU. He came up empty. So walk a mile in my shoes before you feel slighted, soon after that he was banned. To this day I can't figure why it took so long

Elvis » Sun Sep 15, 2019 11:40 am wrote:The video posted by Grizzly on the first page, referred to above, has been deleted. Here's why:

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Grizzly, did you watch the entire video before posting it? The video is full of good chuckles until the the last minute.

Consider YouTube user "OddReality" banned from the pages of RI.

Also banned will be anyone who persists in posting content claiming that we're all just being taken for a ride by the Jews.



You all can figure it out, vet your sources, it's not rocket surgery folks.
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Re: Why Do People Apologize For Russia?

Postby Iamwhomiam » Tue Sep 24, 2019 12:24 pm

Grizzly, for future reference, one sows doubt, like a row of corn, not by stitching fabric together, or sewing.
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Re: Why Do People Apologize For Russia?

Postby seemslikeadream » Sun Sep 29, 2019 10:00 am

This summer, some of Russia's top geneticists gathered in secret at a meeting attended by Putin's eldest daugther to discuss plans by Russian biochemist Denis Rebrikov to produce genetically modified children


Future of Genetically Modified Babies May Lie in Putin's Hands
Stepan Kravchenko
September 28, 2019, 8:36 AM CDT

This summer, after a Russian biochemist announced plans to follow in the footsteps of a rogue Chinese researcher and produce genetically modified children, a 150-year-old academic journal that reflects the current scientific consensus called on the world to stop him.
“Time is of the essence,” Nature said. The dangers of altering human DNA that will be passed on to offspring simply aren’t understood well enough to allow Denis Rebrikov, a prorector of one prestigious Russian institute and a lab director at another, to proceed, the British publication argued.

Six weeks after Nature’s call to action, some of Russia’s top geneticists convened a secret meeting with health officials at a facility in southern Moscow that included a special guest with unusual access to the Kremlin: Vladimir Putin’s eldest daughter, according to three people who were there.
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Denis RebrikovPhotographer: Andrey Rudakov/Bloomberg

Figuring that in Russia only Putin can decide how to regulate an emerging technology capable of changing the code of every living cell, the geneticists wanted to present their conflicting opinions about Rebrikov’s intentions in front of Maria Vorontsova, an endocrinologist whose views on bioethics are becoming increasingly influential, the people said.

For three hours, Vorontsova listened intently to arguments for and against Rebrikov’s planned use of the gene-editing technique known as Crispr, participants said. Rebrikov, a brash former wrestler, is working with a deaf couple who want him to prevent a planned child from inheriting their condition by neutralizing defective GJB2 genes during artificial insemination.

The proponents of Rebrikov’s crusade who were at the closed-door session said they came away optimistic Vorontsova may champion their cause. She didn’t say “yes” or “no,” they said, but she did agree that scientific progress can’t be stopped and that human DNA editing should be prohibited in the private sector and confined to state-run facilities to maximize oversight.

Rebrikov’s opponents, including the vast majority of experts, say approving the application he’s preparing to submit to the Health Ministry in October would only encourage other scientists to conduct risky experiments with human sperm, eggs and embryos before a global framework can be put in place to govern one of the most controversial areas of science.
“This situation is completely analogous to developing an atomic bomb”

Vorontsova, who specializes in pediatric growth disorders, didn’t respond to requests for comment sent to the National Endocrinology Research Center, where she works, or the Russian Association of Assistance to Science, where she sits on the presidium. The Kremlin has never publicly confirmed that Vorontsova is Putin’s daughter.

Putin’s spokesman, Dmitry Peskov, declined to comment on gene editing, saying it’s not ``a presidential issue.” Health Minister Veronika Skvortsova, when asked if Rebrikov’s proposal will get the greenlight, told Bloomberg that “an ethics committee will deal with this very complicated issue.”
In several interviews in Moscow, Rebrikov, 43, said he’s openly pushing ahead with the project because he’s both confident in the procedure’s safety and tired of waiting for officials to establish legal parameters for Crispr’s use. Russian law doesn’t address the issue directly and it may take the World Health Organization another year or more to establish formal gene-editing guidelines.
“Everyone is just yammering,” Rebrikov said during a break at one his labs. “I want the rules to be set, but nobody is doing this.”

While known experiments with Crispr—to improve crops, modify malaria-carrying mosquitoes, treat cancer—are constantly expanding, no government has approved wielding the tool to manipulate what’s called human germlines. China condemned the work of researcher He Jiankui last year as “unlawful” after He announced the birth of twin girls who were genetically altered to be resistant to HIV. He’s not been heard from since and rarely seen.

GRAPHIC: Crispr-Cas9
One senior Russian official involved in the Rebrikov debate said the potential misuses of Crispr are so profound that Putin, despite what his spokesman says, will “definitely” make the final call on the matter, even if the decision is communicated privately.

Putin, 66, has made it increasingly clear in recent years that he expects genetic engineering’s eventual impact on society to be as great as or even greater than artificial intelligence—in ways both good and bad. In 2017, he predicted “people” would start editing pre-birth human DNA “very soon,” a development with possible military applications that he’s warned could be “more terrible than a nuclear bomb.”

Last year, before He revealed his achievement, which was widely condemned, Putin allocated about $2 billion for genetic research and named Vorontsova to the 30-person panel overseeing the work. It’s an area of study that Putin has said will “determine the future of the whole world.”

Rebrikov, a native Muscovite, is a Russian patriot who speaks of his own research in geopolitical and religious terms that seem designed to appeal to Putin’s sensibilities.

With China now strictly regulating human-embryo editing and the U.S. recently extending its ban, Russia has the chance to become the prime mover in an industry with unfathomable upside, the scientist said. He compared the quest to perfect germline editing to the arms and space races of the Cold War, only with more runners.

Little is known about Crispr’s long-term effects on the human body. The first detailed report of doctors using Crispr to manipulate the DNA of a living patient in an effort to cure disease—a case study of just one man with cancer—was only published in September.

Critics say we may be more than a decade or more away from having enough knowledge to safely edit embryos that are implanted for pregnancy. Rebrikov’s actions, they argue, could prove disastrous.
“He is being somewhat reckless,” said Victor Dzau, president of the U.S. National Academy of Medicine. “The question is why? What is his motive to proceed and disregard the international scientific and medical community?”

As with cloning, Rebrikov said he’s “fairly certain” there are dark sites around the globe where scientists are already violating the social taboo against tinkering with human embryos—so it’s only a matter of time before the practice goes mainstream.

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Embryos sit in storage at a laboratory in the Kulakov facility in Moscow.Photographer: Andrey Rudakov/Bloomberg

“It currently costs about a million rubles ($15,500) to genetically change an embryo—more than a lot of cars—but prices will fall with greater use,” Rebrikov said. “I can see the billboard now: ‘You Choose: a Hyundai Solaris or a Super-Child?’”

But three things need to happen before that vision becomes reality, Rebrikov said. The first is to show clearly that the benefits far outweigh the risks, which is what he said his application to the Health Ministry will do. The second and third, political will and social acceptance, are directly correlated in Russia and depend on Putin.

For these reasons, Rebrikov said he has to start “small,” focusing on providing an obvious benefit to a tiny subset of the population: prospective parents with hereditary deafness. Rebrikov originally wanted to experiment on prospective parents with HIV, but couldn’t find a suitable couple, so he switched to deafness after consulting with audiologists.

“This situation is completely analogous to developing an atomic bomb,” he said. “Can bad people use technology for bad purposes? Of course. But did ethical concerns stop the Soviet Union from doing so?”
That’s not a persuasive argument to Sergei Kutsev, Rebrikov’s most outspoken—and credentialed—opponent.

Kutsev, who is both the chairman of the Health Ministry’s ethics committee and its chief geneticist, said it’s plainly unethical to edit human DNA meant for pregnancy when so many questions about the potential ramifications of such a procedure remain unanswered.
The main problem in Russia now is the “legislative vacuum” surrounding the use of Crispr, a legal opening that encourages maverick researchers like Rebrikov to take risks they shouldn’t, Kutsev said in an interview at his office in Moscow.
“He’s making all of us responsible to humanity”

The mutations of the GJB2 gene found in Rebrikov’s patients harm cells in the part of the inner ear that regulates auditory signals—a condition that effects about 10 newborns a year in Russia. Rebrikov said the only available treatment, surgically fitted cochlear implants, is expensive, discomforting and requires years of rehabilitation.

But modifying the GJB2 may be worse because the gene is linked to other diseases that effect eyes and skin, according to Bionews, a British publication that covers genetics and stem-cell research.
Kutsev, 54, said he couldn’t sleep after he learned Rebrikov had finally found a couple for his experiment and worries he’ll proceed with or without state approval, something Rebrikov says he doesn’t intend to do. Kutsev said he’d like to invite the deaf couple, whoever they are, to his institute so he can fully explain what’s at stake.

“While that Chinese scientist worked in secret and was held personally liable for what he did, Rebrikov is declaring his intentions to the world. He’s making all of us responsible to humanity,” Kutsev said.
But Rebrikov is far from alone.
The application he’s working on, which will include reams of research and detailed risk assessments, will actually be filed under the authority of the Kulakov National Research Center for Obstetrics, Gynecology and Perinatology, which houses a laboratory Rebrikov uses. The institute is run by Gennady Sukhikh, one of the most influential medical figures in Russia.
Russian President Putin visits new Federal Perinatal Center in Moscow

Gennady Sukhikh, Health Minister Veronika Skvortsova, and President Vladimir Putin visit the Kulakov center in Moscow.Photographer: Alexei Druzhinin/TASS
Sukhikh, 72, was an early pioneer of controversial stem-cell therapies that cater to wealthy people seeking to rejuvenate their bodies and extend their lives. One of his patients was Putin’s predecessor in the Kremlin, the late President Boris Yeltsin, according to a book by Alexander Khinstein, a former journalist who’s now a lawmaker in Putin’s United Russia party.
“Such great events should be approached very sensibly,” Sukhikh said by phone, adding that Rebrikov’s application may take months to complete. “Our country is moving strictly in accordance with international ethics.”

Another potential stumbling block for Rebrikov and his backers is the Russian Orthodox Church. Key scientists have been quietly sounding out leading clerics to gauge the level of pushback, if any, they can expect if the experiment goes ahead. So far, they’re not getting much, a person familiar with the matter said.

The Moscow Patriarchy published a “preliminary” position on its website in June saying that while genetic editing has the potential to prevent inherited afflictions, the procedure should be prohibited if an embryo’s viability is threatened. The church is urging members to submit their own opinions by Sept. 30.

For Rebrikov, anything short of outright condemnation by the priesthood is a step in the right direction.
“What we do is God-pleasing,” he said in early September. “We heal, just like Jesus did.”
When asked if he had any final comments for this story, Rebrikov said he's taking a break from speaking to the media. He wouldn't say why.
— With assistance by Kristen V Brown, and Rachel Chang
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... in-s-hands
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Re: Why Do People Apologize For Russia?

Postby seemslikeadream » Fri Oct 11, 2019 10:27 am

PUTIN HELD UP THE TO DO LIST FOR HIS BOY AND EVERYONE TO SEE IT

trump has been owned by the MOB since the day he was born


Julia Davis

Close-up of Putin's notes shows the following list of topics, from what I can decipher:
1. "Interference" (in quotes) - proposal
2. #Ukraine - new ideas, transit of gas
3. Syria - joint humanitarian efforts

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https://twitter.com/JuliaDavisNews/stat ... to-do-list


DONALD J. SUBSERVIENT
Trump’s Syria Fiasco Is Part of Putin’s To-Do List
Trump tried to keep his talks with Putin at Helsinki last year secret from his staff and the world, but Russia's president held up the checklist for the cameras. Syria was on it.

Julia Davis
Updated 10.10.19 3:58PM ET
Published 10.10.19 1:49PM ET
OPINION
Mikhail Klimenyev/Getty
President Donald J. Trump’s surprise decision to abandon the Kurds and sign off on Turkey’s operation in Syria drew condemnation in the West, but was cheerfully welcomed in Russia, and, for those who follow Russia closely, the contrast revived the ghosts of Helsinki, where Trump’s surrender of American values was on full display.

There in Finland last year, the leader of the most powerful country in the world demonstrated cringeworthy servility toward Vladimir Putin—president of a rogue government sanctioned by the West for a great number of malign activities, including Russia’s brazen interference in the U.S. elections.

The world’s pariah looked triumphant next to the deflated American president. As Trump stood hunched over, with a blank expression, Putin was practically glowing—and he wanted the world to know just how great the meeting went for Russia. Putin held up a thick stack of his notes with both hands, showing them off for the world to see, in effect giving himself the thumbs-up.

DAY ONE
Turkey’s Syria Invasion Stalls, but for How Long?

Andy Tyborg

Discernible portions of the first page, purposely written in abnormally large script, included references to the election interference, Putin’s request that Russia be allowed to interrogate the former U.S. Ambassador to Russia, Michael McFaul, and also the British businessman Bill Browder, pursuant to the 1999 Treaty with Russia on Mutual Legal Assistance in Criminal Matters. There was a reference to the Nord Stream 2 pipeline. And at the bottom of the first page, Putin’s notes also mentioned Syria, where Russia has been wreaking havoc and committing mass atrocities in concert with Syrian dictator Bashar Assad and Iran.

For public consumption, the Russian president’s handwriting mentioned “joint humanitarian operations with the goal of creating conditions for the return of refugees.” The reality on the ground tends to create—not dissipate—the flood of refugees, essentially weaponized by Russia and Syria to destabilize Europe.


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Close-up of Putin's notes shows the following list of topics, from what I can decipher:
1. "Interference" (in quotes) - proposal
2. #Ukraine - new ideas, transit of gas
3. Syria - joint humanitarian efforts
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On Wednesday this week, President Trump nonchalantly commented that if the thousands of ISIS prisoners that are currently being held by U.S.-backed Kurdish forces escape, "they will be escaping to Europe." Turkey’s President Recep Tayyip Erdogan is also threatening Europe with a flood of refugees, publicly proclaiming, “We will open the gates and send 3.6 million refugees your way.”

Mystery surrounds the rest of the topics discussed by the President of the United States with the Russian leader in Helsinki, since President Trump confiscated the American interpreter’s notes and remains tight-lipped about his exchanges with Vladimir Putin. But one thing is clear: Trump is moving down Putin’s wish list, fulfilling the Kremlin’s aims at a rapid pace. He is chipping away at U.S. sanctions against Russia, deepening America’s internal divisions on the basis of race, faith, sexual orientation and political affiliation, vocally undermining confidence in our elections, intelligence agencies and institutions, all the while empowering our foreign adversaries and undermining NATO alliances.

“Even Russian experts are amazed at the damage Trump is willfully inflicting.”
Trump’s claims that Ukraine—not Russia— is somehow responsible for the 2016 election interference fall right in line with conspiracy theories the Kremlin has been propagating for years. The Russians have long been promoting the notions that prompted President Trump’s outrageous demands from the President of Ukraine, Volodymyr Zelensky, ultimately leading to the commencement of the impeachment proceedings.

The ousting of Marie Yovanovitch, the former ambassador to Ukraine, was also in line with the Kremlin’s wishes. She stood up for Ukraine’s interests, opposing Russia’s aggressive posture with respect to Donbas. Ukrainian politician Viktor Medvedchuk, a close ally of Russia's Vladimir Putin—who is the godfather of Medvedchuk’s daughter—has a longstanding grudge against Ambassador Yovanovitch. Medvedchuk cheered for the U.S. Ambassador to be recalled and the Russian state media predicted that Ambassador Yovanovitch would be Trump’s “first victim in Ukraine.”

Russia’s fingerprints seem to appear on every controversial foreign policy decision undertaken by President Trump. Prior to Turkey’s ongoing offensive against the Kurds, Turkish President Erdogan met with his Russian and Iranian counterparts, reaching "important decisions."

All three leaders avoided providing specifics on the talks. Russian state media proudly boasted that Erdogan secured Putin’s approval for Turkey’s offensive in northern Syria before speaking to Trump. Vladimir Soloviev, the host of the nightly program The Evening With Vladimir Soloviev on Russian state television, said that the Turkish president ran his plans by his Russian counterpart, securing his approval during their personal exchanges.

Soloviev added sarcastically that Erdogan was “not quite as delicate” with the president of the United States, implying that the American president was simply put on notice as to the deals that were already struck by Turkey, Russia and Iran.

The prevailing talking point in the Russian state media is that Trump’s actions have proven what Russia has been repeating for years: “Americans can’t be trusted.” Evgeny Poddubny, a military correspondent for Russian state-owned Channel 1 (VGTRK), said that after being “stabbed in the back by the Americans,” the Kurds have nowhere else to turn except to Russia. Now that the U.S. is seemingly abdicating its influence in the Middle East, Russia is readily stepping into the void, offering to facilitate the negotiations between the Kurds and the Assad regime.

“I never thought I’d live to see this ... Washington is doing everything to break down the foundations of transatlantic alliance and unity.”
— Tatyana Parkhalina, Association for Euro-Atlantic Cooperation
Even Russian experts are amazed at the damage Trump is willfully inflicting. Appearing on Russian state television show 60 Minutes last year, Tatyana Parkhalina, President of the Association for Euro-Atlantic Cooperation, said as if she were incredulous: "I never thought I’d live to see this—not the USSR nor Russia, who tried many times to drive the wedge between transatlantic allies, but Washington is doing everything to break down the foundations of transatlantic alliance and unity." Last year, the idea of the U.S. pullout from Syria seemed too good to be true. Now, the Kremlin’s ambitions are coming to fruition.

Pundits and experts appearing on the nightly television show The Evening with Vladimir Soloviev, concurred that anti-American analysts couldn’t even dream of a situation where the umbrella of American influence in Syria would be retracted. They speculated that China will take advantage of this situation and get more involved in the Middle East.

Semyon Bagdasarov, director of the Moscow-based Center for Middle Eastern and Central Asian Studies, asserted that if he were serving in the armed forces of the United States, he would consider President Trump a traitor. Bagdasarov was perfectly blunt:: “Trump is a traitor to the American people.” Host Vladimir Soloviev chimed in: “Then you should support him... If it’s bad for America, you should support him.” Russian expert Vladimir Avatkov added: “Let’s hope that this will lead to Turkey leaving NATO. Let’s hope for that to happen.” Appearing on the same show, analyst Dmitry Drobnitsky suggested: “Here it is, the multipolar world... We’re witnessing the beginning of a new era.”
https://www.thedailybeast.com/donald-j- ... to-do-list
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Re: Why Do People Apologize For Russia?

Postby Belligerent Savant » Fri Oct 11, 2019 12:10 pm

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Absolute garbage. Shameless dissimenation of bullshit narratives that only serve to further occlude.

The 2 'Dreams' with similar M.O.s. -- SPAMMING the board perpetually to an increasingly dwindling audience.

This place is all yours to continue to SPAM and IGNORE.

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Re: Why Do People Apologize For Russia?

Postby seemslikeadream » Fri Oct 11, 2019 12:27 pm

7/ Here’s why the two face arrest: They allegedly laundered Russian money into U.S. elections. They set up an LLC that contributed 100s of 1000s of $ to a pro-Trump group led by Don Jr.



Mafia Rave

ProPublica


1/ So @RudyGiuliani’s two Ukraine helpers were arrested this morning — for allegedly funneling Russian money into U.S. campaigns.

Here’s what we at @ProPublica and @WNYC know about Lev Parnas and Igor Fruman...

https://www.propublica.org/article/trum ... in-ukraine
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2/ First, let’s talk about what Parnas and Fruman were doing with Rudy:

Fruman and Parnas are Soviet-born. They introduced Rudy to Ukrainian prosecutors whom the U.S. has called corrupt. The two went to Ukraine after Rudy canceled his trip under heat. https://www.propublica.org/article/trum ... in-ukraine
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3/ Rudy worked with these guys despite their problematic pasts. For example, a court found that Parnas defrauded investors in a movie he was involved with, “Anatomy of an Assassin.”

“He conned us from day one.” https://www.miamiherald.com/news/politi ... 26327.html
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4/ Parnas and Fruman are well-connected in Ukraine. Fruman owns a number of businesses there, including a beach club in Odessa, Mafia Rave.

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5/ BuzzFeed and @occrp dug into Parnas and Fruman’s machinations in July.

The two denied wrongdoing.

“All we were doing was passing along information,” Parnas told BuzzFeed. “We’re American citizens, we love our country, we love our president.”


6/ More recently, BuzzFeed looked at other things Parnas and Fruman did during their Ukraine campaign.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/mi ... nas-fruman

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7/ Here’s why the two face arrest: They allegedly laundered Russian money into U.S. elections. They set up an LLC that contributed 100s of 1000s of $ to a pro-Trump group led by Don Jr.
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Fruman also allegedly misspelled his name to hide his donations. https://www.wsj.com/articles/two-foreig ... _lead_pos1


8/ The @CampaignLegal Center first flagged the donations and filed a complaint with the FEC.


9/ After those donations, Fruman and Parnas had dinner with @realdonaldtrump at the White House.

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10/ There’s also the fellas’ failed weed biz. Prosecutors allege they used $1 million given to them by a foreign businessman with “Russian roots” to try to buy influence in Nevada and gain a marijuana license.

Then they missed an application deadline.
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents ... ruman.html
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11/ Fruman and Parnas’ lawyer, John Dowd, who used to be Trump’s lawyer, didn’t respond to a request for a comment from the WSJ, which broke the news of the indictment.


12/ There are still a lot of questions. If you happen to have any answers, please get in contact with us. There are lots of ways to do it, including via Signal and WhatsApp:


13/ Listen to this and more at Trump, Inc. We’ll have a *great* new episode next Wednesday. And every two weeks. Sign up to our newsletter to get ‘em.

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So Rudy's now-arrested colleagues gave a whole bunch of money to a Trump group.

The chair of that group? A Don Jr hunting buddy named Tommy Hicks Jr.

We've reported on Hicks and the really great access he's had to the admin.

https://www.propublica.org/article/trum ... ting-buddy
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One more thing: Tommy Hicks Jr. who headed the pro-Trump group that Rudy's colleagues allegedly funneled money to, was also a vice-chair of Trump's inauguration committee and is now the co-chair of the Republican National Committee.


The pro-Trump group that got the allegedly funneled donations from Rudy's colleagues has said they segregated the money as soon as flags were raised.

"We take our legal obligations seriously," said a spokeswoman.
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Re: Why Do People Apologize For Russia?

Postby coffin_dodger » Fri Oct 11, 2019 12:31 pm

This place is all yours to continue to SPAM and IGNORE.


BelSav - you know that RI gets ENORMOUS amounts of eyeballs on it, right? It's a place that once seen, becomes difficult to ignore. You know this. They know this. That's why the gradual 'creeping in' of mainstream ideology has been paramount since Wells left the building.

RI is a small, limited-theatre battleground for the minds of people that are most likely to see things differently. That's why it's being carpet-bombed with mainstream.

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Re: Why Do People Apologize For Russia?

Postby seemslikeadream » Fri Oct 11, 2019 12:38 pm

8/ Exposure of Donald's long history with organized crime, and Semion Mogilevich's control over Donald's money and organization, is what...

9/ Is behind every tweet, every obfuscation, every White House freak-out.
Donald is running scared that Semion's name will hit the press.

10/ Donald will do anything to subvert the exposure of his brand - of himself, as a total fraud. He is not billionaire, he is a tool of ROC.


Lincoln's Bible

Lincoln's Bible Retweeted Donald J. Trump
Stay focused, everyone.
@POTUS is a money-launderer 4 organized crime, as was his father.
The who swept over Trump Ent mafia partners is.../1
Lincoln's Bible added,
Donald J. Trump
Verified account

@realDonaldTrump
I had a very respectful conversation with the widow of Sgt. La David Johnson, and spoke his name from beginning, without hesitation!

2/ Ukrainian-born, Russian Org Crime (ROC) boss, Semion Mogilevich, aka Don Semyon.
Don Semyon leveraged Donald into massive debt...
5:47 AM - 23 Oct 2017

3/ decades ago, to gain full control over Donald's US biz ops - and expanded R.E. brand licensing biz model into key intl. territory...

4/ This allows ROC blood money 2 be washed clean, and enter our markets. Donald gets a take of this business. That is the "licensing fee"...

5/ which is Donald's only income outside of Cel. Apprentice pymnts, and now his profits off of violating Emoluments Clause...

6/ The Panama Papers leak provide evidence of the money trail 4 Trump Enterprises involvement with Semion Mogilevich, & ultimately Putin...

7/ Alfa server in Trump Tower, and Donald's tax returns will prove this out.
THAT is the "criminal" aspect of the Mueller investigation...

8/ Exposure of Donald's long history with organized crime, and Semion Mogilevich's control over Donald's money and organization, is what...

9/ Is behind every tweet, every obfuscation, every White House freak-out.
Donald is running scared that Semion's name will hit the press.

10/ Donald will do anything to subvert the exposure of his brand - of himself, as a total fraud. He is not billionaire, he is a tool of ROC.

11/ He will continue attacking the foundation of the investigation - the integrity of our federal LE agencies and IC communities, until...

12/ He finds a way to stop Mueller. Congress is complicit in this.
We must not be.

Stay focused, America.

- END -

CODA
The above is Donald's personal motivation.
Putin's is much graver for us. Putin was also originally installed as Pres. by ROC... /13

14/ He too is a tool. But his skills far surpass Donald's.
The corruption of USIC & LE agencies, Congress, and our social discourse...

15/ Is Putin's goal.
This dismantles his most adversarial force - his biggest obstacle 4 unchecked accumulation of wealth...

16. Destroying is Putin's money-grab. FIGHT IT.
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Re: Why Do People Apologize For Russia?

Postby Belligerent Savant » Fri Oct 11, 2019 12:41 pm

coffin_dodger » Fri Oct 11, 2019 11:31 am wrote:
This place is all yours to continue to SPAM and IGNORE.


BelSav - you know that RI gets ENORMOUS amounts of eyeballs on it, right? It's a place that once seen, becomes difficult to ignore. You know this. They know this. That's why the gradual 'creeping in' of mainstream ideology has been paramount since Wells left the building.

RI is a small, limited-theatre battleground for the minds of people that are most likely to see things differently. That's why it's being carpet-bombed with mainstream.

Please don't let your mind go unheard.



Appreciate that sentiment, c_d, though the 'eye' count can't be what it once was given the tactics employed here.
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Re: Why Do People Apologize For Russia?

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Putin Pulls Russia Out of Convention on War-Crime Probes
Stepan Kravchenko
October 17, 2019, 8:58 AM CDT

President Vladimir Putin is pulling Russia out of a key element of the Geneva Conventions that authorizes investigations into alleged war crimes against civilians.

Putin issued a decree dated Wednesday to withdraw from Protocol 1 of the 1949 convention “relating to the protection of victims of international armed conflicts,” citing “exceptional circumstances affecting the interests of the Russian Federation and requiring urgent action.”

The protocol authorizes the International Humanitarian Fact-Finding Commission to investigate alleged war crimes and other “grave breaches” against civilians caught up in armed conflicts. The commission, established in 1991, comprises 15 independent experts elected by the 77 states including Russia that have recognized the body, according to its website.

It carried out a 2017 probe into the death of a paramedic working for the Organization for Security and Cooperation’s monitoring mission in eastern Ukraine during the conflict between government forces and Russian-backed separatists. It also discussed the wars in Syria and Yemen at its annual meeting in Geneva in April.

Putin’s order came two days after the Defense Ministry in Moscow denied a New York Times report that the Russian Air Force bombed four hospitals in Syria in the space of 12 hours during an operation in May to crush resistance to President Bashar al-Assad‘s regime.

“In the current international environment, the risks of abuse of the commission’s powers for political purposes on the part of unscrupulous states are increasing significantly,” Putin said in a letter sent to Russia’s lower house of parliament.

He accused the commission of “not actually fulfilling its function” since its foundation and said Russia had no representative on the body, while paying annually into its budget.

“Russia does not recognize any external international bodies where it doesn’t have a veto, which could render verdicts and establish the guilt of the Russian Federation or its clients and allies,” said Vladimir Frolov, a former Russian diplomat and foreign policy analyst in Moscow.
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The US withdrawal from northern Syria creates the perfect conditions for war crimes
Simon Tisdall
Mon 7 Oct 2019 12.55 EDT
Erdoğan aims to expel refugees and force Kurdish forces away from Turkey. It will result in enormous damage

Turkish-backed Syrian fighters near Aleppo on October 7, 2019. - US forces in northern Syria started pulling back from areas along the Turkish border ahead of a feared military invasion by Ankara that Kurdish forces say would spark a jihadist resurgence. The Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces said in a statement that “US forces withdrew from the border areas with Turkey” in northeast Syria. (Photo by Nazeer Al-khatib / AFP) (Photo by NAZEER AL-KHATIB/AFP via Getty Images)
Turkish-backed Syrian fighters near Aleppo, as US forces begin pulling back from areas along the Syrian-Turkish border. Photograph: Nazeer Al-Khatib/AFP via Getty Images
Donald Trump’s rash and foolish decision to pull the remaining US ground troops out of northeast Syria is a shocking betrayal of the Kurdish forces that were instrumental in destroying the Islamic State “caliphate”. It opens the way for a vicious, protracted struggle between the Kurds and Turkey’s military, which is poised to cross the border. And that in turn presages more civilian suffering in a country that has seen far too much during the past eight years.

Trump’s impromptu order was taken against the advice of his generals and diplomats and without prior consultation with allies such as the UK that have forces in the field. It came following a telephone conversation with Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, Turkey’s president, on Sunday evening. Trump tried last year to withdraw US forces but was thwarted at the time. Now he has got his myopic, capricious way. Erdoğan has been pushing for months to create what he terms a “safe zone” on Syrian territory 20 miles deep by 300 miles long. For him, too, altruism is not a motive.

The US’s contemptible retreat and Turkey’s illegal land-grab represent the final collapse of western policy in Syria
Erdoğan has three aims, all problematic. One is to force the Kurdish-led Syrian Democratic Forces (SDF), which comprise about 60,000 fighters, away from Turkey’s southern border. Erdoğan vilifies the SDF as terrorists in cahoots with the PKK – the Turkey- and Iraq-based Kurdistan Workers’ party that Ankara has been fighting for decades. The terrorist tag is not remotely accurate. But demonising all Kurds as enemies of the state is a familiar tactic used by Erdoğan to bolster his divisive, dictatorial nationalist agenda.

Second, Erdoğan has plans to return, by force if necessary, many if not most of the 3-4 million Syrian refugees who have entered Turkey since 2011. His ruling AKP party and its ultra-nationalist allies have encouraged growing anti-migrant sentiment, effectively expelling these refugees from the larger cities. They’re happy that blame for Turkey’s faltering economy, high unemployment and social tensions can be directed at Syrians and other foreigners rather than at their own corrupt, repressive and incompetent management.

Erdoğan is also badly in need of a political and strategic success after a series of domestic reverses, including the AKP’s humiliating loss of Turkey’s two biggest cities, Istanbul and Ankara, in recent elections. Talk grows of an end to the Erdoğan era – something he cannot abide. Erdoğan also hopes to correct the mess he has previously made of his Syria policy. He initially courted the Damascus regime after 2011, then turned against it, then colluded with Russia and Iran – Bashar al-Assad’s main backers. That put him at odds, latterly, with Washington, Turkey’s key Nato ally.

In the gullible, geopolitically ignorant Trump, however, Erdoğan has found a friend and like-minded instinctive authoritarian. It’s plain Trump would rather give Erdoğan – a co-collaborator with his Moscow mate, Vladimir Putin – what he wants than keep faith with the Kurds. This unlovely, three-way gangster-partnership now presages a world of problems in Syria. One possible consequence is that the Kurds, their loyalty and sacrifices again repaid with betrayal, will cut a self-preservatory deal with Assad – or, alternatively, that their thwarted drive for an independent state will revive.

Dangerous, too, is the boost the US retreat potentially gives to Isis. The jihadists, down but not out despite Trump’s self-serving claims of victory, are already said to be regrouping in northern Iraq. Fears grow that detention and refugee camps in eastern Syria where tens of thousands of Isis militants, supporters and families, including about 2,000 foreign fighters, are held under Kurdish guard may be compromised – and could become recruiting centres for Isis redux. The White House says the Turks will take charge. Given their record of covert dealings with jihadists, that’s a big, reckless, overly optimistic gamble.

Renewed fighting in northeast Syria, potentially spreading westwards to areas such as Afrin – seized in an earlier Turkish incursion – and even to besieged, war-ravaged Idlib, threatens yet another humanitarian disaster. What Turkey now proposes, with Trump’s blessing, amounts to the forcible repatriation of hundreds of thousands of defenceless civilians into what may soon be, or already is, a war zone. Don’t be fooled by US-Turkish spin. It’s not safe. And it’s not right. This is a war crime in the making.

Viewed more broadly, the US’s contemptible retreat, and Turkey’s illegal land-grab, represent the final, miserable collapse of western policy in Syria. It marks the abandonment of any remaining pretence that the US and Europe have the will, the commitment and the humanity to rescue the Syrian people from a murderous regime, make good on the reform promises of the Arab spring, and create a viable path to democratic self-governance.

Even more so than Iraq after the 2003 invasion, Syria has become the epic failure of our age. Thanks to those geostrategic mobsters Trump and Erdoğan, with a big assist from smarter-by-far Putin, the country faces informal partition into highly conflicted, de facto Turkish, Iranian, Russian, Israeli and jihadist areas of influence and control; a repugnant regime in Damascus of mass murderers and assassins will escape justice; and the dream of an inclusive democracy is dashed.

For Syrians of all backgrounds and beliefs, a paradoxically permanent instability is the new normal. And, since you ask, is there any point demanding that the UK and Europe take a stand and, at last gasp, resist this foul denouement? Not really. It’s too late now. The Syrian failure is printed on all of our foreheads. It indelibly shames us all.

• Simon Tisdall is a foreign affairs commentator

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Re: Why Do People Apologize For Russia?

Postby JackRiddler » Mon Oct 21, 2019 11:17 am

You see how it works?

It is irrelevant what any of you respond, how true or clever.

There will always be the next propaganda post of multiple screens.

To anyone happening in, this looks like a Google News repeater site.
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Re: Why Do People Apologize For Russia?

Postby RocketMan » Mon Oct 21, 2019 2:04 pm

JackRiddler » Mon Oct 21, 2019 6:17 pm wrote:You see how it works?

It is irrelevant what any of you respond, how true or clever.

There will always be the next propaganda post of multiple screens.

To anyone happening in, this looks like a Google News repeater site.


Yeah, and not a single word in explanation of this behaviour.

Or did they somewhere in there maybe mutter something about "keeping a record/archive"? Difficult to remember amidst all this dross...
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Re: Why Do People Apologize For Russia?

Postby seemslikeadream » Mon Oct 28, 2019 9:01 am

Russia’s Domestic Internet Is a Threat to the Global Internet
A planned disconnection test signifies the Russian government’s commitment to technological sovereignty.

Justin Sherman
Oct 24, 201910:42 AM

Over the past year, the Russian government has spoken at length about the establishment of a domestic internet. The idea, according to lawmakers and those in the Kremlin, is to have an internet that can be tightly controlled by the state—and potentially disconnected from the global net entirely.

Now, Russia plans to execute a so-called disconnection test of the internet sometime in October—right ahead of Nov. 1, when a new law about domestic internet kicks into gear. Russia plans to then repeat this test at least once a year. What some had called fantasy is now closer to reality, and the implications are important for global cybersecurity and what may occur in Russia as a result.

For brief historical context: In February, a draft law was introduced in the Russian Parliament that aimed to make this long-discussed idea of a domestic internet a reality. This draft underwent subsequent revisions, although the gist of the proposal is the same: giving broader and deeper regulatory oversight of the internet to Roskomnadzor, the Russian internet regulator. (Back in March, Robert Morgus and I wrote that this “RuNet” was not a new idea, and many technical and political challenges lay ahead for Russia.) Before the proposal was signed, there were rumblings of a “disconnect test” scheduled for April 1. While that didn’t take place, Russian President Vladimir Putin signed the bill into law in May, with it planned to take effect on Nov. 1. Since then, news about the RuNet has been relatively quiet. That is, until recently, when it became clear the Russian government has been busy since the law’s passage.

For one, “equipment is being installed on the networks of major telecom operators,” Alexander Zharov, head of Roskomnadzor, told reporters. Tests will be carried out “carefully” in the first round, he said, in order to ensure that traffic and servers are not affected. Then, “combat mode” tests will be initiated. It’s unclear what combat mode means, but presumably this is something closer (at least in theory) to total isolation of the RuNet, perhaps in response to an emergency.

The Russian government has also purportedly started rolling out deep packet inspection, a more sophisticated internet filtering technique, which it started testing last year. As highlighted in reporting by independent Russian news outlet Meduza, this may certainly relate to the Russian government’s repeated—and largely unsuccessful—efforts to ban use of the encrypted messaging app Telegram. The filtering techniques used by the government weren’t precise enough, so the app’s use of workarounds enables Russian users to circumvent censorship mechanisms.

But a rollout of deep packet inspection is also broader than just looking to block encrypted messaging services. Deep packet inspection is a powerful tool for internet filtering in general—for instance, look at how China uses it as part of its Great Firewall. Since better control of internet traffic that flows into and out of Russia is a core component of the push for a domestic Russian internet, the use of DPI therefore plays well into the RuNet goal.

Other regulatory pushes continue as well, such as an effort to require Facebook and Twitter to store Russian users’ data within Russian borders by the end of the year. This practice of storing certain data locally—termed data localization—can be employed for a variety of reasons, from cost savings (i.e., it’s cheaper to have certain data located in a certain place) to privacy protections (i.e., desires to try to keep data away from foreign eyes). But the Russian government has been particularly focused on requiring data localization for foreign firms, presumably to get access to encrypted communications. For instance, Roskomnadzor has pushed Apple to locally store certain kinds of data, and the government has enacted rules to force companies to store user data and encryption keys in certain places. This recent effort focused on Facebook and Twitter is an extension of this yearslong battle.

Testing a domestic internet signifies the government’s commitment to technological sovereignty.
With all of these and, likely, other yet-to-be-reported changes since May, a disconnection test of the Russian internet in the near future looks more likely. There are a number of motives at play behind this push for a domestic internet, including (but not limited to) a growing desire on the part of many authoritarian governments to exert greater sovereignty over the internet within their borders; fears in the Kremlin, particularly on the part of Putin, about the free flow of information and its potential to undermine regime stability; reactions in the Russian government to the U.S. Defense Department’s “defend forward” cyber strategy, which involves more action by the U.S. military to deter cyberattacks and stop them closer to the source; and a desire to justify practices like tighter internet censorship, surveillance, and control by depicting Russia as under constant information and cyberwar onslaught from foreign powers. All of these drivers make it unlikely that Russia will abandon this domestic net pursuit in the near future.

The Russian government, like many governments today, is increasingly concerned about reliance on foreign information communication technologies. Pushing for greater supply chain independence, in this vein, could include reducing Russian society’s reliance on the global internet. It’s also about different understandings of “information security”—which we take in the West to mean the technical protection of 1s and 0s, but has greater cultural significance in Russia’s long history of the state controlling media like television and the internet. Rhetoric around a “global and open internet” pushed by many liberal democracies has been perceived far differently in the Russian government due to different values and strategic objectives, yes, but also due to cultural differences. This, too, is unlikely to change in the near future.

As the U.S.-China technological confrontation intensifies, it’s important to not overlook other countries—in this case, Russia—and how they fit into global cooperation and competition over digital technologies and their regulation. The Russian government is in the process of drafting an artificial intelligence strategy, for instance, and Sino-Russian cooperation continues to deepen in economic, military, and technological dimensions. Testing a domestic internet, therefore, is not just another step in the pursuit of a practical goal—a controlled, isolatable domestic internet—it signifies the Russian government’s commitment to technological sovereignty, especially from the West.

For all these reasons, the implications—unlike the RuNet—are hardly constrained to Russian borders. The Russians may be pushing internet fragmentation deeper than ever before, and their actions may inspire others to follow suit. The implications for human rights are also pronounced, as well as for businesses that may desire to operate in the Russian market and have already run into regulatory challenges, like the mandated storage of certain data within Russia’s borders.

Russia will undoubtedly face setbacks in its push to create a domestic internet. After all, technical implementation of such a project would be difficult for any country. But as it moves toward the capabilities for an internet disconnection test, this could mark a significant moment in the history of the network we once called truly global.
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