Coming Soon - War with Iran?

[Harvey]

Why do you believe an attack on IS which killed an American mercenary aiding IS is worth world war three? MSM got your tongue?

[FourthBase]

Why do you believe an attack on IS which killed an American mercenary aiding IS is worth world war three? MSM got your tongue?

Ah. So instead of attacking military bases that contained Iraqi and American forces which have been fighting ISIS, Soleimani was attacking ISIS which was being helped by Americans. I see. Where are you getting your Totally-Not-Propaganda from? What's your supposedly objective source for such news?

EDIT: Unless you meant Iraqi Security by "IS"? I hope that's what you meant. Because if you really meant ISIS, I can only imagine where you're getting your information from.

If you meant Iraqi Security, then yes, it's worth assassinating the Revolutionary Guard general behind that attack. And behind many, many other attacks like it. Is it worth WWIII? I don't know, why don't you ask an Iranian? Or do you, for some reason, exempt Iran from responsibility for attacks on America? It only takes one to tango, if that one is America? Iran gets to attack, attack, attack, attack, attack, attack, attack, attack, attack...but if America attacks back, it's America starting a war?

[FourthBase]

Nevermind, you really meant ISIS, didn't you?

Care to share a corroborating link, anyway?

I searched the web for leftist apologias and eulogies for Soleimani and I guess I had forgotten just how insane the tinfoil left can be. Here's an example:

https://jamesfetzer.org/2020/01/gen-sol ... m-analyst/

This one is deliciously propagandistic:

https://www.gearoidocolmain.org/isis-mu ... soleimani/

Literally equating ISIS and America.
Literally calling Soleimani a martyr.

Is this your POV, too, Harvey?
How many others here co-sign the above?

[JackRiddler]

"Soulemani" wasn't attacking your precious contractor-mercenary-member of the crusader force. As if you could have any clue who out of all the people who want to kill invaders (for good reasons or bad, as "good" or "bad" people) were involved, or what chain of microincidents this particular murder out of a million belonged to. There's still one big picture. 17 years ago the invaders went in and destroyed Iraq and murdered a million people and lit fires between various factions, and as long as they're still invading the chaotic rest is a predictable outcome, and the chaos will continue long after they're gone as a consequence and probably get new lives, as these things tend to go. Get the fuck out of this place you've destroyed and then none of your invading forces have to worry. Or start fucking World War III-VII by establishing that states can just assassinate each others' officials for the lulz with any lie attached as justification and thus have no limits whatsoever on the hostilities they will wage against them. What's an Archduke, more or less? Ferdinand was a terrible person!

[RocketMan]

So that lobbyist is definitely proposing instigating a war. Questions: Did Iran instigate a war when it attacked Americans? Was there the Iranian equivalent of that lobbyist pitching the idea of instigating a war with America to the Ayatollah? If the Revolutionary Guard is "secret" enough about attacking Americans, is that supposed to be a loophole where what they do can't be considered instigation? If America assassinates an Iranian general who was having Americans attacked, is that a legitimate casus belli for Iran, meaning, do you think Iran would be justified in going to war whereas America would not be? Is Iran allowed to do whatever it wants in self defense as a sincere force of anti-imperialism, but whatever America does it's always up to some sinister ulterior plan? If you were brainwashed by anti-American propaganda, would you be able to tell?

Can't believe that you believe anything you believe mate.

Why so evasive?

It's just that you spout warmongering rationales for international war that probably has us a little miffed and nonplussed.

[FourthBase]

"Soulemani" wasn't attacking your precious contractor-mercenary-member of the crusader force. As if you could have any clue who out of all the people who want to kill invaders (for good reasons or bad, as "good" or "bad" people) were involved, or what chain of microincidents this particular murder out of a million belonged to.

Yes, yes, there's so much nuance to being an anti-imperialist apologist for terrorism. A bewildering amount of nuance. But please, tell me how Soleimani wasn't behind that attack.

There's still one big picture. 17 years ago the invaders went in and destroyed Iraq and murdered a million people and lit fires between various factions, and as long as they're still invading the chaotic rest is a predictable outcome, and the chaos will continue long after they're gone as a consequence and probably get new lives, as these things tend to go. Get the fuck out of this place you've destroyed and then none of your invading forces have to worry. Or start fucking World War III-VII by establishing that states can just assassinate each others' officials for the lulz with any lie attached as justification and thus have no limits whatsoever on the hostilities they will wage against them. What's an Archduke, more or less? Ferdinand was a terrible person!

Lie? About Soleimani? Citation needed.

[thrulookingglass]

Fact: no use of evil/violence shall ever circumvent another. Ye, it could only cause more. Injustice can never create peace and all acts of violence are UNJUST!

I say unto those who will listen, make peace with your enemies, bless those that would curse you, bring kindness to those that would cause you suffering. If a man should ask for the shirt off your back, do not forget to give him your tunic as well. And expect nothing in return!

And I fucking hate every religion I’ve ever known, but I will take that as L A W ! We boys or we men? Grow the fuck up world!

[MacCruiskeen]

Joy to the world.

“Joy is a current of energy in your body, like chlorophyll or sunlight,
that fills you up and makes you naturally want to do your best
to troll messageboards, defend Trump, torture 'terrorists', kill commies,
irradiate Japs, shoot gooks, fry ragheads, and nuke Teheran,
all the while whingeing piteously about the one thing of any value
in this fallen world, namely American Lives™”

Why do they hate us? It's a profound mystery.


http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/AP_Photo/2004/05/06/1083847201_3462.jpg
Manifest Destiny

[Harvey]

https://www.sott.net/article/426782-Pepe-Escobar-US-has-kickstarted-the-Raging-20s-by-declaring-war-on-Iran

According to my best Southwest Asia intel sources, "Israel gave the U.S. the coordinates for the assassination of Qassem Soleimani as they wanted to avoid the repercussions of taking the assassination upon themselves."

[FourthBase]

As much as I can very easily believe that 9/11 was facilitated by neocons intent on winning geopolitical chess, and/or profiteers earning billions and billions for oil and weapons corps, and/or Zionists serving Israel, and/or luciferian Bilderbergers preparing the world for a new world order...It also might as well have been what the official narrative says it was: Jihad. It easily could have been Hamas agents piloting the planes, without remote control assistance, without any inside help at all. It easily could've been Iranian revolutionaries. Could've been any number of America-loathing Muslims. In which case, I wouldn't really be bothered by a crusade. In which case, fuck any and every Muslim government that even sneezes in America's direction, including Iraq, even if they didn't directly contribute to 9/11. Whatever it would take to prevent another 9/11 or worse from happening to America. But that would mean X number of dead innocent people in Y country? So. They're not Americans. I'm a chauvinist, yep. I think the lives of my fellow Americans are more important. Important enough to kill a disproportionate number of other nationalities in order to save. Not sure of the exact ratio, but it's somewhere between 1:1 and 1:1,000,000. I'm not an internationalist, guys. I'm a patriot. Whereas you, Jack? You are not a patriot. You are the opposite. If the official narrative improbably HAD been true, you still wouldn't have wanted America to retaliate. You still would have campaigned against the official narrative, just to undermine the powers that be. You still would've thought America deserved it. And maybe we did. But guess what. That's a two-way street. Why shouldn't I think that the world of fundamentalist Islam deserves to be bullied and terrorized into submission? I begrudge them the right to retaliate, too. They can sit there and eat shit and die until they agree to reform their religion, and if they keep trying to destroy us, then oh well, kaboom, off the map they go. If they can jihad us, we'll jihad them right back even harder. How does that all sound? Not so good, right? It's just the mirror image of you anti-imperialists, though. Whatever it takes to bring down the Evil Empire and bring about a Socialist Paradise. Your crusade is worth it. You'll ally with terrorists. You'll rationalize atrocities. You'll say America deserves whatever it gets and doesn't deserve to fight back. You'll take a complicated mess of facts and focus, to the exclusion of other possibilities, on whatever interpretation makes America look the most evil because it might as well be true, like your flimsy American Zionists Created ISIS theories. You'll do your own Ugly Math and figure that such-and-such injustice or deception is legitimate because the world cannot tolerate a capitalist hegemony anymore. You'll root for the downfall of governments that you don't like, even if it's an illegal coup, because the Who and the Whom aligns with your ideological goals. You'll make heroes out of monsters. Eventually enemies resemble each other. You're just as bad as they are, or you would be, if you had any power, probably worse. So, no, I do not want the world to be dominated by whatever alliance you'd prefer, some grotesque Russia-China-Iran axis. Fuck that. I'll take the "Pax" Americana instead, thanks.

[Harvey]

Fact: no use of evil/violence shall ever circumvent another. Ye, it could only cause more. Injustice can never create peace and all acts of violence are UNJUST!

I say unto those who will listen, make peace with your enemies, bless those that would curse you, bring kindness to those that would cause you suffering. If a man should ask for the shirt off your back, do not forget to give him your tunic as well. And expect nothing in return!

And I fucking hate every religion I’ve ever known, but I will take that as L A W ! We boys or we men? Grow the fuck up world!

Word.

[Harvey]

As much as I can very easily believe that 9/11 was facilitated by neocons intent on winning geopolitical chess, and/or profiteers earning billions and billions for oil and weapons corps, and/or Zionists serving Israel, and/or luciferian Bilderbergers preparing the world for a new world order...It also might as well have been what the official narrative says it was: Jihad. It easily could have been Hamas agents piloting the planes, without remote control assistance, without any inside help at all. It easily could've been Iranian revolutionaries. Could've been any number of America-loathing Muslims. In which case, I wouldn't really be bothered by a crusade. In which case, fuck any and every Muslim government that even sneezes in America's direction, including Iraq, even if they didn't directly contribute to 9/11. Whatever it would take to prevent another 9/11 or worse from happening to America. But that would mean X number of dead innocent people in Y country? So. They're not Americans. I'm a chauvinist, yep. I think the lives of my fellow Americans are more important. Important enough to kill a disproportionate number of other nationalities in order to save. Not sure of the exact ratio, but it's somewhere between 1:1 and 1:1,000,000. I'm not an internationalist, guys. I'm a patriot. Whereas you, Jack? You are not a patriot. You are the opposite. If the official narrative improbably HAD been true, you still wouldn't have wanted America to retaliate. You still would have campaigned against the official narrative, just to undermine the powers that be. You still would've thought America deserved it. And maybe we did. But guess what. That's a two-way street. Why shouldn't I think that the world of fundamentalist Islam deserves to be bullied and terrorized into submission? I begrudge them the right to retaliate, too. They can sit there and eat shit and die until they agree to reform their religion, and if they keep trying to destroy us, then oh well, kaboom, off the map they go. If they can jihad us, we'll jihad them right back even harder. How does that all sound? Not so good, right? It's just the mirror image of you anti-imperialists, though. Whatever it takes to bring down the Evil Empire and bring about a Socialist Paradise. Your crusade is worth it. You'll ally with terrorists. You'll rationalize atrocities. You'll say America deserves whatever it gets and doesn't deserve to fight back. You'll take a complicated mess of facts and focus, to the exclusion of other possibilities, on whatever interpretation makes America look the most evil because it might as well be true, like your flimsy American Zionists Created ISIS theories. You'll do your own Ugly Math and figure that such-and-such injustice or deception is legitimate because the world cannot tolerate a capitalist hegemony anymore. You'll root for the downfall of governments that you don't like, even if it's an illegal coup, because the Who and the Whom aligns with your ideological goals. You'll make heroes out of monsters. Eventually enemies resemble each other. You're just as bad as they are, or you would be, if you had any power, probably worse. So, no, I do not want the world to be dominated by whatever alliance you'd prefer, some grotesque Russia-China-Iran axis. Fuck that. I'll take the "Pax" Americana instead, thanks.

Get back on the meds.

[MacCruiskeen]

As much as I can very easily believe that 9/11 was facilitated by neocons intent on winning geopolitical chess, and/or profiteers earning billions and billions for oil and weapons corps, and/or Zionists serving Israel, and/or luciferian Bilderbergers preparing the world for a new world order...It also might as well have been what the official narrative says it was: Jihad. It easily could have been Hamas agents piloting the planes, without remote control assistance, without any inside help at all. It easily could've been Iranian revolutionaries. Could've been any number of America-loathing Muslims. In which case, I wouldn't really be bothered by a crusade. In which case, fuck any and every Muslim government that even sneezes in America's direction, including Iraq, even if they didn't directly contribute to 9/11. Whatever it would take to prevent another 9/11 or worse from happening to America. But that would mean X number of dead innocent people in Y country? So. They're not Americans. I'm a chauvinist, yep. I think the lives of my fellow Americans are more important. Important enough to kill a disproportionate number of other nationalities in order to save. Not sure of the exact ratio, but it's somewhere between 1:1 and 1:1,000,000. I'm not an internationalist, guys. I'm a patriot. Whereas you, Jack? You are not a patriot. You are the opposite. If the official narrative improbably HAD been true, you still wouldn't have wanted America to retaliate. You still would have campaigned against the official narrative, just to undermine the powers that be. You still would've thought America deserved it. And maybe we did. But guess what. That's a two-way street. Why shouldn't I think that the world of fundamentalist Islam deserves to be bullied and terrorized into submission? I begrudge them the right to retaliate, too. They can sit there and eat shit and die until they agree to reform their religion, and if they keep trying to destroy us, then oh well, kaboom, off the map they go. If they can jihad us, we'll jihad them right back even harder. How does that all sound? Not so good, right? It's just the mirror image of you anti-imperialists, though. Whatever it takes to bring down the Evil Empire and bring about a Socialist Paradise. Your crusade is worth it. You'll ally with terrorists. You'll rationalize atrocities. You'll say America deserves whatever it gets and doesn't deserve to fight back. You'll take a complicated mess of facts and focus, to the exclusion of other possibilities, on whatever interpretation makes America look the most evil because it might as well be true, like your flimsy American Zionists Created ISIS theories. You'll do your own Ugly Math and figure that such-and-such injustice or deception is legitimate because the world cannot tolerate a capitalist hegemony anymore. You'll root for the downfall of governments that you don't like, even if it's an illegal coup, because the Who and the Whom aligns with your ideological goals. You'll make heroes out of monsters. Eventually enemies resemble each other. You're just as bad as they are, or you would be, if you had any power, probably worse. So, no, I do not want the world to be dominated by whatever alliance you'd prefer, some grotesque Russia-China-Iran axis. Fuck that. I'll take the "Pax" Americana instead, thanks.

Get back on the meds.

It is not just deranged, it's depraved. Openly fascist now.

[FourthBase]

Joy to the world.

“Joy is a current of energy in your body, like chlorophyll or sunlight,
that fills you up and makes you naturally want to do your best
to troll messageboards, defend Trump, torture 'terrorists', kill commies,
irradiate Japs, shoot gooks, fry ragheads, and nuke Teheran,
all the while whingeing piteously about the one thing of any value
in this fallen world, namely American Lives™”

Why do they hate us? It's a profound mystery.


http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/AP_Photo/2004/05/06/1083847201_3462.jpg
Manifest Destiny

Gee, I wonder what you'd think of a world where 1.5 billion Nazis (most of whom are just decent people who aren't fanatical) are ruled by a coalition of dozens of SS-controlled governments. Let's say there's a big, bad country of super-successful Communists who thankfully keep the Nazi governments in check. In order to prevent the Nazis from dominating the world, would you be opposed to sabotaging their governments, torturing SS officers to stop terrorist attacks against Jewish and Communist targets, scheming to seize control of natural resources away from the Nazis? Nope. You would almost certainly think such things necessary. So it's not the methods you're against. It's the WHO and the WHOM.

In a less hypothetical hypo, if the Allies had invented a nuclear bomb way earlier in the 40's that could've ended the war and the Holocaust by nuking Berlin, would you have opposed using it? Nope. So, again, it's not the WHAT you reject. It's the who, the whom. Amazingly, though, it's not far from what actually happened, since the Japanese were literally fucking fascists and the bombs saved millions of American, Japanese, and Chinese lives. But go ahead and stick to the anti-American script.

Kill commies? Sure, which ones? You think it would've been uncool to assassinate Stalin or Mao? Nah. Would've been awesome.

Defend Trump? By recognizing he's a crazy despicable douchebag child rapist? Damn, I suck at defending Trump.

Yep, from the perspective of America, American lives > the rest of you. I know, you don't like that. But whaddya gonna do, it is what it is. Sucks about that full spectrum dominance. Get used to it.

Am I trolling you? A little.

[FourthBase]

As much as I can very easily believe that 9/11 was facilitated by neocons intent on winning geopolitical chess, and/or profiteers earning billions and billions for oil and weapons corps, and/or Zionists serving Israel, and/or luciferian Bilderbergers preparing the world for a new world order...It also might as well have been what the official narrative says it was: Jihad. It easily could have been Hamas agents piloting the planes, without remote control assistance, without any inside help at all. It easily could've been Iranian revolutionaries. Could've been any number of America-loathing Muslims. In which case, I wouldn't really be bothered by a crusade. In which case, fuck any and every Muslim government that even sneezes in America's direction, including Iraq, even if they didn't directly contribute to 9/11. Whatever it would take to prevent another 9/11 or worse from happening to America. But that would mean X number of dead innocent people in Y country? So. They're not Americans. I'm a chauvinist, yep. I think the lives of my fellow Americans are more important. Important enough to kill a disproportionate number of other nationalities in order to save. Not sure of the exact ratio, but it's somewhere between 1:1 and 1:1,000,000. I'm not an internationalist, guys. I'm a patriot. Whereas you, Jack? You are not a patriot. You are the opposite. If the official narrative improbably HAD been true, you still wouldn't have wanted America to retaliate. You still would have campaigned against the official narrative, just to undermine the powers that be. You still would've thought America deserved it. And maybe we did. But guess what. That's a two-way street. Why shouldn't I think that the world of fundamentalist Islam deserves to be bullied and terrorized into submission? I begrudge them the right to retaliate, too. They can sit there and eat shit and die until they agree to reform their religion, and if they keep trying to destroy us, then oh well, kaboom, off the map they go. If they can jihad us, we'll jihad them right back even harder. How does that all sound? Not so good, right? It's just the mirror image of you anti-imperialists, though. Whatever it takes to bring down the Evil Empire and bring about a Socialist Paradise. Your crusade is worth it. You'll ally with terrorists. You'll rationalize atrocities. You'll say America deserves whatever it gets and doesn't deserve to fight back. You'll take a complicated mess of facts and focus, to the exclusion of other possibilities, on whatever interpretation makes America look the most evil because it might as well be true, like your flimsy American Zionists Created ISIS theories. You'll do your own Ugly Math and figure that such-and-such injustice or deception is legitimate because the world cannot tolerate a capitalist hegemony anymore. You'll root for the downfall of governments that you don't like, even if it's an illegal coup, because the Who and the Whom aligns with your ideological goals. You'll make heroes out of monsters. Eventually enemies resemble each other. You're just as bad as they are, or you would be, if you had any power, probably worse. So, no, I do not want the world to be dominated by whatever alliance you'd prefer, some grotesque Russia-China-Iran axis. Fuck that. I'll take the "Pax" Americana instead, thanks.

Get back on the meds.

It is not just deranged, it's depraved. Openly fascist now.

You both need reading comprehension lessons.