How Bad Is Global Warming?

[coffin_dodger]

I'm sorry to hear about the cancer. Sincerely. I hope the treatment achieves a good result for you. I hope we can remain civil, during and after your recovery.

[chump]

Drive good Puf.

[DrEvil]

Are there maps like this for bushfire season from last year, and the year before that, and the year before that, and two decades ago, and two decades before that, etc.?

The majority of people who see that map are going to think the normal thing for a map this time of year would be zero fire icons. They'll compare a fire-free map in their imagination with that thing lit up with red, and they might think it's a sign of the apocalypse. I'm thinking specifically of ignorant American teenagers who think we have 18 months left to live.

Not that I'm not alarmed. It's pretty fucking alarming.

Arson isn't irrelevant, though. Again, all it would take is one righteous false-flagger with a car to set an even more alarming number of extra fires.

Also, I want to know how long arson has been responsible for a huge chunk (even if it's only, say, a third) of "natural" wildfires. Always, for millennia? The last couple of centuries? The last 40 years?

This is definitely worse than normal. Rain forest is burning, and that hasn't burned for as long as there's been white people there.
They've had to call in the military to help evacuate thousands of people by boat (they're good at handling boat refugees). Also, fire season hasn't really started yet. The hottest temperatures are usually in february.

No idea how long arson has been a good chunk of the fires, but the number bandied about is from a ten year old government report.

Edit: and good luck Pufpuf!

[Elvis]

Best wishes, PufPuf!

I would point out that there's a helluva a lot more observable, verifiable evidence for anthropogenic global warming than for Jesus. I've looked for evidence of Jesus, and between the two phenomena, if I had to say one was a hoax, I'd say Jesus.

[DrEvil]

Pretty sure Jesus was invented by Maurice Strong.

[BenDhyan]

I don't see why the evidence or lack thereof concerning the reality of Jesus should influence one's understanding of the reality or not of agw.

[DrEvil]

^^ It shouldn't, but it does. If anything it should make people care more about the Earth, as it's a gift from God and we are its stewards, but there are a lot of religious people who genuinely believe that God wouldn't let us mess up his paradise, ergo climate change can't be real so all this hysteria must be about something else, probably a plot to put in place a UN Agenda 21 One World Communist Atheist Government that will take away our Guns and Liberty and send our kids to Homosexual Transgendered Non-Binary Indoctrination Camps and replace all the White Folk with Immigrants and force everyone to have lots of Abortions.

Also, the End Times are coming any minute now and all the true believers will go to heaven so who gives a fuck what happens to Earth and the undeserving masses left behind.

Scott Morrison is one of those people, and worse, he used to be in marketing.

[FourthBase]

^^ It shouldn't, but it does. If anything it should make people care more about the Earth, as it's a gift from God and we are its stewards, but there are a lot of religious people who genuinely believe that God wouldn't let us mess up his paradise, ergo climate change can't be real so all this hysteria must be about something else, probably a plot to put in place a UN Agenda 21 One World Communist Atheist Government that will take away our Guns and Liberty and send our kids to Homosexual Transgendered Non-Binary Indoctrination Camps and replace all the White Folk with Immigrants and force everyone to have lots of Abortions.

Also, the End Times are coming any minute now and all the true believers will go to heaven so who gives a fuck what happens to Earth and the undeserving masses left behind.

Scott Morrison is one of those people, and worse, he used to be in marketing.

Fundamentalist certitude is frightening.

But...

UN Agenda 21 One World Communist Atheist Government that will take away our Guns and Liberty and send our kids to Homosexual Transgendered Non-Binary Indoctrination Camps and replace all the White Folk with Immigrants and force everyone to have lots of Abortions

...this would actually get unironic thunderous applause on Woke Twitter and Tumblr, wouldn't it? Did that counterculture get seeded by any scheming organizations like McGowan thought the hippies were? Or is it an organic counterculture? Or is it even a counterculture at all now? Is it a dominant subculture? It seems to be practically a cliche for college kids to think:

- Climate change demands sacrifice
- Nationalism is evil
- Communism is good
- Religion is mostly bad
- Guns should be banned
- Free speech is hate speech
- Heteronormativity is cancelled
- Transitioning is an unquestionable right
- "Whiteness" is inferior and must be abolished
- Abortion is cool; births produce carbon

Have I just been reading a selective assortment of radicals, or is this basically really the way things are right now?

[DrEvil]

You've just been reading a selective assortment of radicals.

[FourthBase]

You've just been reading a selective assortment of radicals.

You're saying that's not a fairly accurate representation of the woke mindset of the thought leaders of a whole generation of politically active youth? How much time have you spent on a college campus or on Twitter recently? That platform I translated from your mockery is pretty close to being the new countercultural orthodoxy. Where'd it come from, the CIA again or somewhere else this time?

[chump]

https://youtu.be/rxHcBDp4J84
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… All this has been set up by design folks, and I think that should be pretty obvious to everyone. The problem is that this situation that we are facing… spells the end of Australia as we know it. This cannot be understated. And if there is anything that was going to cause the people of Australia to rise up and be counted, I would hope it is this situation we are now facing…

[DrEvil]

You've just been reading a selective assortment of radicals.

You're saying that's not a fairly accurate representation of the woke mindset of the thought leaders of a whole generation of politically active youth? How much time have you spent on a college campus or on Twitter recently? That platform I translated from your mockery is pretty close to being the new countercultural orthodoxy. Where'd it come from, the CIA again or somewhere else this time?

- Climate change demands sacrifice
- Climate change demands action, or the sacrifices down the road will be much greater
- Nationalism is evil
- No, but it's not particularly good either
- Communism is good
- No, there's still not a communist conspiracy afoot
- Religion is mostly bad
- Yes it is
- Guns should be banned
- Guns should be strictly regulated
- Free speech is hate speech
- Hate speech is hate speech
- Heteronormativity is cancelled
- Not being heteronormative is okay
- Transitioning is an unquestionable right
- Yes
- "Whiteness" is inferior and must be abolished
- Whiteness (as in people defending being white) is strongly associated with nazi fuckwits and other racist scum
- Abortion is cool; births produce carbon
- Women should have control over their bodies

[kelley]

there is indeed a doctor in the house

super

[FourthBase]

You've just been reading a selective assortment of radicals.

You're saying that's not a fairly accurate representation of the woke mindset of the thought leaders of a whole generation of politically active youth? How much time have you spent on a college campus or on Twitter recently? That platform I translated from your mockery is pretty close to being the new countercultural orthodoxy. Where'd it come from, the CIA again or somewhere else this time?

- Climate change demands sacrifice
- Climate change demands action, or the sacrifices down the road will be much greater
- Nationalism is evil
- No, but it's not particularly good either
- Communism is good
- No, there's still not a communist conspiracy afoot
- Religion is mostly bad
- Yes it is
- Guns should be banned
- Guns should be strictly regulated
- Free speech is hate speech
- Hate speech is hate speech
- Heteronormativity is cancelled
- Not being heteronormative is okay
- Transitioning is an unquestionable right
- Yes
- "Whiteness" is inferior and must be abolished
- Whiteness (as in people defending being white) is strongly associated with nazi fuckwits and other racist scum
- Abortion is cool; births produce carbon
- Women should have control over their bodies

That's your relatively sane perspective on those positions. Again, have you visited a college or browsed Twitter lately? Not nearly as sane. Quite insane, actually. Climate change demanding sacrifice doesn't just mean precautionary action to the most woke, but coercion. Nationalism is always evil to them, unless it's in the service of communism, which is definitely a good thing to them. (I don't really recognize a big distinction between communism and socialism, and the woke youth are very much pro-socialism.) Religion is not mostly bad, man, but besides, the truly woke make a big glaring exception for Islam, which they privilege as a "minority" culture. They think guns should definitely be banned, outright, like the UK and Australia, and they have about zero awareness of the horrific civil war that would ensue, and they're even less aware that they would lose it, horrifically. They want to change the First Amendment to ban hate speech, and they equate free speech absolutism with hate speech. They don't just want queerness to be okay, they want it to be centered as the new normal, with heteros who prefer to raise their kids as hetero and gender-conforming until prompted otherwise being shunned by society as bigots and having those kids reeducated against their will. They want kids to be able to transition, no questions, questions are for transphobes. They want to abolish whiteness, which I get the concept, but they're actually stigmatizing white people as inferior people just like the racist douchebags expected all along, and while I couldn't care less if white people are interracially fucked into extinction, which is inevitable, the idea of white people being oppressed someday does bother me, especially since, if any oppressed race were to ever deserve being oppressed, not that any ever do, it'd be whites, which makes the oppression that much likelier to be gradually rationalized, by people who think they're incapable of racism. They don't just want abortion to be legal, they want it to be cool, which I don't give a fuck about a zygote and I think abortion should be legal, but aborting a two-and-a-half-month-old fetus is never "cool", and they think it's good for the environment, so of course they have no problem incentivizing it, then later inevitably mandating it...like China...like the Communist Party in China.

So, coercive lifestyle changes, a hatred of nationalism, except when it's serving socialism, which is awesome, a rejection of religion, except for the religion most opposed to American hegemony, a ban of all gun ownership, state and corporate censorship of speech, enforcing new sex and gender norms without question, the stigmatization of a race, the encouragement of abortion to restrict breeding...that's the present of the avant garde, the near-future of mass counterculture, and the not-so-distant future of dominant culture. Does that sound like an organically grown movement to you? Maybe it is.

[norton ash]

4B is keeping the John Birch Society alive! Ooh, I hate those commie college bastards.

Very best wishes, Puf. I admire the choices you've made.