Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

[Grizzly]

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/marty-makary-on-coronavirus-in-the-us-183558545.html

[liminalOyster]

Anyone else leaning towards - there was some sort of classified memo to governors in the past 48 hrs informing them that the virus is much much more airborne than it was thought to be?

[Iamwhomiam]

Um, you mean the memo sent to the Republican governors?



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5AZwkz8zLU



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=957dnV43x74

[liminalOyster]

Haven't seen a thorough breakdown of which states took big action today and their governor's party but was thinking of this guy: https://www.ksla.com/2020/03/13/governo ... c-schools/

[chump]

Global Research - The Coronavirus COVID-19 Pandemic: The Real Danger is “Agenda ID2020”

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https://thefourthempire.blogspot.com/20 ... .html#more

February 10, 2020
HOW THE NWO GLOBAL EPIDEMIC MARTIAL LAW PLAN UNFOLDS IN PHASES AND WHICH PHASE WE HAVE NOW REACHED
PART 2

Overview

The Globalists plan for global medical martial law seems to consist of three main phases

-phase 1 community-level outbreaks of a new virus

-phase 2 human-to-human spread of the virus into at least two  countries in one WHO region to allow for an emergency  declaration and to start the development of vaccines under  emergency rules, extend emergency international and national powers for a global medical martial law, forced mass vaccination and quarantine etc.

-phase 3 community outbreaks in other countries and the emergence of more virulent strains, hybrids, sustained  transmission leading to force massed vaccination with risky vaccines.

Reports of a higher death rate and of "superspreaders" of coronavirus could be a sign that the NWO Globalists may be transitioning to a far more dangerous phase of their multi phase plan for global medical martial law involving the infection of people with a more lethal hybrid virus.

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus- ... s-11930651

There are so many ways for people to be infected  in secret with lethal material allowing for plausibility of denial if a more virulent variant emerges. ("mutation", "people more susceptible, superspreaders" etc) A tiny number of people, with tiny amounts of contaminated material can cause mass infections and deaths.

People can be infected with the new virus as part of human tests  of new "flu" virus as happened with Novartis in Poland in 2007  and was planned to happen with 72 kilos of  seasonal flu  material mixed with the deadly bird flu virus in 2009 in Baxter's BSL 3 lab in Austria to create an airborne, deadly disease which could have triggered a real pandemic.

https://www.thestar.com/life/health_wel ... urope.html

A rough guide to the NWO pandemic phases as I see it. We are at 3 and 4 in my thinking, the parts underlined below.

1. Release a fairly harmless human to human transmittable  coronavirus strain in the centre of China and spread to other  countries.

Parallel, hack the standard protocols for quarantine, isolation  and screening to allow the virus to spread, specifically, ignore  the distinction between people incubating a virus and the  symptomatic.

Manufacture panic through false and misleading reports on mainstream media and social media.

2. Trigger a WHO global pandemic emergency declaration to start  the development of vaccines, 

3. Infect a small number of people in China and other countries  with a more lethal hybird virus combining the harmless but  contagious coronavirus and the more lethal but not contagious HIV/Ebola virus.

Indian researchers were not supposed to analyze the virus and  draw attention to the HIV segments.

But the fact that the coronavirus can be treated with HIV, Ebola  drugs confirms they are hybrid viruses.

4. Hype the emergence of a more virulent mutation ("super spreader") to  spread panic and promote public acceptance of mass vaccination

5. Spread the coronavirus to regions that currently has Ebola  (DR Congo) so that a few weeks later the contagious coronavirus  and lethal Ebola viruses will be in ciculation in the same area.

Release the weaponized hybrid of the two viruses, the coronavirus and Ebola virus, claiming it has been created  naturally.

6. Spread Ebola to other regions of the world like the border  between India and China, claiming any outbreak originates from  bats (" the natural reservoir" according to media etc)

7. Roll out a global vaccine programme under emergency rules for  coronavirus and Ebola vaccines or for a two in one shot

8.  As part of the vaccination program, infect people with a the  bioengineered hybrid of the coronavirus, Ebola virus.

The airborne human-to-human transmittable hybrid virus , with  about a two week incubation period, and a high mortality rate would create a real epidemic.

9. And if the epidemic dies down, new hybrid variants can be  used to infect people as part of the ongoing vaccine programme.

10. Set up mass quarantine camps where tens, hundreds of  thousands end up without enough food, medical treatment,  ensuring the spread of any disease

Electricity can be cut in cities or whole countries to speed up  the collapse of societies. Cuts can be blamed on cyberttacks, power outages etc

Billions die, societies collapse, objective achieved for the NWO.

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https://youtu.be/xW2oHhN3heo
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Corbett Report - Medical Martial Law

SHOW NOTES AND MP3: https://www.corbettreport.com/?p=397

FROM 2009: Top scientists are saying that the current swine flu outbreak came from a vaccine lab, but you won’t hear that in the controlled corporate media. Nor will you hear about Bilderberg plans to use the pandemic hysteria to flex the muscles of their nascent global government. But you will hear all about it in this week’s episode of The Corbett Report.

[Wombaticus Rex]

So, per the Yahoo story above - the text is instructive but I guess uploading a screenshot helps, too. The author, Martin "Marty" Makary, is a likely spook to begin with, and considering he's talking to Yahoo Finance with his market monitor judiciously swapped over to the JHS dashboard, it's important to consider that he's talking his book, just like Jim Cramer and every other asshole in the "finance pundit" ecosystem.

Especially when he's also on CNBC the day before saying wild shit like "every household needs to be ready to hunker down for 3 months," which is flat-out impossible. There's an agenda here. There's also not a ton of epidemiology expertise -- per his own bio. The man is a surgeon, just like noted public health care expert Ben Carson.

Still, he's likely one hell of a lot smarter & better informed than any of the journalists publishing coronavirus pieces this week, so:

In the U.S. there are over 1,600 confirmed cases, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), with 41 deaths. Makary said that the number of cases, though, is likely much higher.

“Don’t believe the numbers when you see, even on our Johns Hopkins website, that 1,600 Americans have the virus,” he said. “No, that means 1,600 got the test, tested positive. There are probably 25 to 50 people who have the virus for every one person who is confirmed.”

He added: “I think we have between 50,000 and half a million cases right now walking around in the United States.”

....

“Our American hospitals have had very little room to take on increased capacity,” Makary said. “Most ICUs function at full capacity or near full capacity. We only have 100,000 ICU beds in the United States. We could see 200,000 new patients that need critical care up to 2 million.”

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“We’re watching what’s happening in Italy very closely,” Makary said. “China was not transparent. Iran was not transparent. But Italy has been extremely transparent, and what we’re seeing there is a hospital system that’s entirely overrun, even with the quarantine, which we have not done. So I think we need to prepare for the worst and hope for the best.”

That means stopping nonessential activities and travel for as long as needed to contain the spread of the virus, he said, along with working from home.

“Look, we’ve got to abandon this idea that this virus is contained,” Makary said. “It is at large, and assume it’s on every door handle and on every car door and with every handshake.”

Nothing to quibble with there, eh?

Note that the low bound of his estimate, 50k cases, squares nicely with what Neil Ferguson (actual epidemiologist, Imperial College London) was saying back at the end of February - "Every time we detect a death, there's probably a thousand undetected cases behind that death." And, as things happen, the United States of America has officially reported precisely 50 deaths as of Friday, March 13th. So Makary is in good company there.

He's also right that Italy has been bizarrely transparent in a world where most governments are absolutely fucking lying about everything. This is what Makary means by "not transparent." And, despite this past week's PR saturation about Taiwan, South Korea and Japan doing absolutely everything right, it's pretty probable that they're lying, too -- especially, especially Japan.

We're in a wild state of play where the pessimist, "doomer," worst case scenario two months ago is starting to look naive today.

[Wombaticus Rex]

Updates from CIDRAP on the clinical data front, which ties into the aerosol/fomite questions up-thread:

Study: COVID-19 may spread in several different ways

Researchers have detected COVID-19 viral RNA and live virus in specimens other than nose-throat swabs and sputum samples, raising the possibility that the disease may spread through additional routes.

In a research letter published yesterday in JAMA, Chinese scientists describe testing lung wash (bronchoalveolar lavage), lung biopsy, nasal, sputum, and blood samples for live virus in 1,070 specimens from 205 infected patients in three hospitals in China from Jan 1 to Feb 17.

In related news, a research letter today in Emerging Infectious Diseases, highlights a cluster of COVID-19 cases linked to a shopping mall in Wenzhou, China. The study's authors said that an analysis of their findings can't rule out indirect transmission of the pandemic novel coronavirus, such as via inanimate objects or aerosolization.

Testing various sites could lower false-negatives

Using real-time reverse transcriptase polymerase chain reaction (RT-PCR), investigators detected COVID-19 RNA in lung wash (14 of 15 samples; 93%), sputum (72 of 104; 72%), nasal swabs (5 of 8; 63%), lung biopsy (6 of 13; 46%), throat swabs (126 of 398; 32%), feces (44 of 153; 29%), and blood (3 of 307; 1%). The 72 urine specimens all tested negative.

Twenty patients had two to six specimens collected at the same time. Viral RNA was detected in single specimens from six patients (respiratory specimens, feces, or blood). Seven patients shed live virus in respiratory specimens, 5 in feces (2 of whom did not have diarrhea), and 2 in blood.

"Testing of specimens from multiple sites may improve the sensitivity and reduce false-negative test results," the authors wrote, citing two smaller studies that reported COVID-19 in anal and oral swabs and in blood in 16 patients and viral load throughout disease progression in throat swabs and sputum from 17 infected patients.

The highest viral loads in the JAMA study were found in sputum, the authors note, with moderate loads in nose-throat swabs, the most common way to confirm infection. Four fecal samples had high viral loads.

Multiple routes may speed transmission

The findings imply that the coronavirus may be transmitted through feces and invade the circulatory system, the researchers said. "A small percentage of blood samples had positive PCR test results, suggesting that infection sometimes may be systemic," they wrote. "Transmission of the virus by respiratory and extrarespiratory routes may help explain the rapid spread of disease."

The patients' mean age was 44 years old (range, 5 to 67), and 68% were male. In the study, throat swabs were collected from most patients 1 to 3 days after hospital admission. Blood, sputum, feces, urine, and nasal samples were collected throughout the illness. Lung wash and biopsy specimens were taken from patients with severe illness or who were on mechanical ventilation.

The authors cautioned that the number of some types of samples in the study was small and that data couldn't be correlated with disease symptoms or course because clinical information in some patients was limited. "Further investigation of patients with detailed temporal and symptom data and consecutively collected specimens from different sites is warranted," they wrote.

Indirect spread likely in mall cluster

In the 34-person COVID-19 mall cluster, researchers from Wenzhou, elsewhere in China, and in the United States say that the virus appears to have been transmitted indirectly, through the touching of contaminated surfaces, viral aerosolization in a confined space, or through contact with infected people who had no symptoms.

The investigators monitored and traced close contacts and analyzed clinical and lab data using RT-PCR. They also drew the eight-floor shopping mall showing the floors where the COVID-19 patients worked or shopped, dates of onset, potential incubation periods, symptom durations, and times of positive diagnosis and hospital release.

Except for those who had visited floor 7, no patients reported close contact with the other patients. "The possibility of customers being infected from other sources cannot be excluded. However, most customers reported early symptom onset in a concentrated time frame," the authors wrote. "Our findings appear to indicate that low intensity transmission occurred without prolonged close contact in this mall; that is, the virus spread by indirect transmission."

Scientists are exploring whether COVID-19 is spread mainly through respiratory droplets and close contact with infected people, and research is lacking on how long the virus survives outside the body. The authors point out, however, that the Middle East respiratory syndrome coronavirus (MERS-CoV) can survive outside the body and stay infectious for as long as 60 minutes after aerosolization.

"Hence, the rapid spread of SARS-CoV-2 [the COVID-19 virus] in our study could have resulted from spread via fomites (e.g., elevator buttons or restroom taps) or virus aerosolization in a confined public space (e.g., restrooms or elevators)," they wrote.

JAMA Link
"Mall Cluster" study

[identity]

In addition to increased daily Vit. C, D, and B-12 supplementation, I have also started taking Oil of Oregano on a regular basis. I always have a bottle of this on hand (if a problem tooth ever flares up, OoO is GUARANTEED to kill the pain – as well as any infection – at least temporarily, and almost always until the next flare-up!), and it cannot hurt to possibly be fortifying my defenses with this. I highly recommend the New Roots OoO (diluted 25% in olive oil), from oregano harvested in the mountains of Turkey, with a very high carvacrol content.


from Antiviral activity of the Lippia graveolens (Mexican oregano) essential oil and its main compound carvacrol against human and animal viruses (2011):

Mexican oregano (Lippia graveolens) is a plant found in Mexico and Central America that is traditionally
used as a medicinal herb. In the present study, we investigated the antiviral activity of the essential oil of
Mexican oregano and its major component, carvacrol, against different human and animal viruses. The MTT
test (3-4,5-dimethythiazol-2yl)-2,5-diphenyl tetrazolium bromide) was conducted to determine the
selectivity index (SI) of the essential oil, which was equal to 13.1, 7.4, 10.8, 9.7, and 7.2 for acyclovirresistant
herpes simplex virus type 1 (ACVR-HHV-1), acyclovir-sensitive HHV-1, human respiratory
syncytial virus (HRSV), bovine herpesvirus type 2 (BoHV-2), and bovine viral diarrhoea virus (BVDV),
respectively. The human rotavirus (RV) and BoHV-1 and 5 were not inhibited by the essential oil. Carvacrol
alone exhibited high antiviral activity against RV with a SI of 33, but it was less efficient than the oil for the
other viruses. Thus, Mexican oregano oil and its main component, carvacrol, are able to inhibit different
human and animal viruses in vitro. Specifically, the antiviral effects of Mexican oregano oil on ACVRHHV-
1 and HRSV and of carvacrol on RV justify more detailed studies.
[...]
The human respiratory syncytial virus (HRSV) is one of
the main agents of bronchiolitis and pneumonia in children and
plays a major role in the aetiology of pneumonia in elderly
individuals (21). HRSV is an enveloped RNA virus that
belongs to Pneumovirus genus at the Paramyxoviridae family.
[...]
RESULTS AND DISCUSSION

Mexican oregano was effective in inhibiting five of the
eight viruses examined. The results of the antiviral activity of
the essential oil against five DNA viruses (HHV-1, ACVRHHV-
1, BoHV-1, BoHV-2, BoHV-5) and three RNA viruses
(HRSV, RV, BVDV) are summarised at Table 1, while Table 2
displays the results of carvacrol activity against the same
viruses, excluding BoHV-1 and 5.
[...]
Mexican oregano essential oil and its main component,
carvacrol, were effective against RNA and DNA viruses
(Tables 1 and 2). This dual efficacy has advantages over
common antiviral drugs, which generally act on only RNA or
DNA viruses or may even be specific to a single virus or group
of viruses (13). To identify other versatile antivirals, several
plant products have been screened against groups of RNA and
DNA viruses with variable results (19, 35). Significant in vitro
antiviral activity against three RNA viruses was observed for
extracts derived from the roots of Eleutherococcus senticosus
but no activity was detected against two DNA viruses in the
same experiment (19). Another study found only one plant
extract of fifteen tested that was able to inhibit two RNA and
DNA viruses (35). Although further studies are needed to
determine the mechanisms of action and viral activity of
Mexican oregano oil and carvacrol, a broad spectrum of action
is very desirable for any antiviral candidate.

Apparently the essential oil and its purified component are
able to inhibit the viruses in different stages of virus infection
and replication since the essential oil was able to inhibit viruses
before but also after virus inoculation while carvacrol was
effective only when added after virus inoculation (Tables 1 and
2). Very interesting is the fact that the carvacrol activity was
present after virus inoculation for viruses with either RNA or
DNA genome. As RNA and DNA replication strategies require
different steps and the action of diverse classes of enzymes and
other regulatory factors (3), it could suggest that the major
component way of action is not on genome replication but on
other step of virus replication common to all viruses.
[...]
In conclusion, the activity of Mexican oregano oil against
ACVR-HHV-1 and HRSV as well as that of carvacrol against
RV warrant further studies to explore the mechanisms of action
of the compounds.

https://holisticprimarycare.net/topics/ ... virus.html

Oregano Oil Proves Effective Against Coronavirus

(EDITOR'S NOTE JAN 30, 2020: The following article, originally published in the Winter 2003 edition of Holistic Primary Care and posted to our site several years later, has received a lot of attention recently, owing to worldwide public concern about China's coronavirus outbreak, and the Washington Post's citation of this piece as an example of "fake news" about coronavirus.

Our article briefly described a preliminary in vitro experiment assessing the impact of carvacrol-rich oregano oil alone, or in combination with other monoterpene-rich herb oils, on the proliferation of coronavirus in human cell cultures. This pathogen was in the news back in 2003, because it was identified as the trigger for Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS).

The investigator, M. Khalid Ijaz, DVM, PhD, concluded that oregano oil can inhibit proliferation of coronavirus and reduce viral titers. However, he states clearly--as do we in our article--that this is early stage basic research, and that we would need an actual human trial before drawing any firm conclusion about the clinical role of oregano oil for coronavirus infection.

To the best of our knowledge, this research has not yet been done.

But it should be done. Given the epidemic potential of the current coronavirus outbreak, and the fact that the efficacy of existing antiviral drugs against this strain is largely unknown, we ought to study all potential options, even if they fall outside the scope of conventional drug-based medicine. A number of preliminary in vitro or animal studies have shown that compounds in oregano oil are virustatic and virucidal against several viral pathogens. There are plausible mechanisms of action. We should not rule out oregano oil simply because it is derived from an herb.


We stand by our original 2003 article. The Washington Post's insinuation that our coverage of Ijaz' study 17 years ago constitutes "fake news" is misguided and short-sighted.--Erik Goldman, Editor)



Oil of oregano may prove to be a valuable ally against Severe Acute Respiratory Syndrome (SARS).

A recent in vitro study indicates that the essential oil of this medicinal herb can destroy human coronavirus, thought to be the pathogen responsible for SARS, and completely stop its replication within 20 minutes of exposure.

The study was conducted by Dr. M. Khalid Ijaz, of Microbiotest, an independent microbiological testing lab in Sterling, VA. Dr. Ijaz incubated human coronavirus in MRC-5 cell lines with Oreganol P73, an olive-oil preparation of wild oregano, and with Oregacillin, a combination of wild oregano, wild sage, wild cumin and wild cinnamon oils. Both products are made by Physician's Strength/North American Herb and Spice, a company that specializes in medicinal essential oils from the Mediterranean.

The oregano oil alone reduced viral titers from over 5 million particles per ml at baseline, to 167 particles per ml within 15 minutes. At 20 minutes, the titers were down to 150 particles per ml. The Oregacillin combination reduced titers from over 5 million, to 133 particles per ml in 15 minutes. Within 20 minutes, they were reduced to non-detectable levels. The investigators noted that both preparations were able to halt viral replication within the host cells.

The in vitro findings need to be confirmed in human clinical trials, but they are compelling in that they show that oil of oregano, alone and in combination with other essential oils, have unequivocal virucidal and virustatic effects.

edit: I should add a safety warning in case anyone is inspired to go out and get a bottle who has not done so before. This is potent stuff! Please read the following before taking OoO. I am not a doctor and I am not offering medical advice. Proceed with caution!

https://www.healthline.com/health/oregano-oil-side-effects

[liminalOyster]

Boom. Thank you, Wombat.

edit: Even as a relative herbalism skeptic, I've seen really good research on Oil of Oregano.

[Project Willow]

Hello from deserted downtown Seattle. It's very strange not having to close my windows during rush hour. Construction crews are still on site in the wee hours however. I don't know where the homeless have gone, there are fewer on the streets.

My community is responding well, already stockpiling supplies in our food pantry. People are being kind and helpful now, but I worry what will happen in the event of serious shortages. I don't know about you all but I'm still partially stuck in the "can't believe it's really happening" stage.

I agree with a lot of what of what's been posted in the thread, especially in regards to potential for hardening or expanding overt control systems, and the whispers about humans approaching the self destruct apex of our too smart/too stupid paradox.

I hadn't been paying too much attention to the details of the virus until it (I hate this word) literally hit home. I've been doing some reading. Can someone answer this question:
Is “gain of function” research (genetically altering the genome of a pathogen so that it can infect humans) a beneficial avenue of study to prevent disease, or is it a key technique in building biomedical warfare agents, or …both?

[8bitagent]

Could we could move RI to its own sub Reddit? Or somewhere else? Are early 2000s mysqyl forum codings still a thing? RI seems to mostly be down lately

[SonicG]

Could we could move RI to its own sub Reddit? Or somewhere else? Are early 2000s mysqyl forum codings still a thing? RI seems to mostly be down lately

I love the old bbs format, and remain on two other active and semi-active ones, both of which run well but, one is still on very basic format and covers costs with a brief annual fundraising. The other one is more advanced, like here, but seems to require periodic administrator manual labor...
But Reddit man...can you imagine the millennial shitsticks and other assorted loonies RigInt would attract
(for now, copying all drafts before clicking...)

[8bitagent]

Could we could move RI to its own sub Reddit? Or somewhere else? Are early 2000s mysqyl forum codings still a thing? RI seems to mostly be down lately

I love the old bbs format, and remain on two other active and semi-active ones, both of which run well but, one is still on very basic format and covers costs with a brief annual fundraising. The other one is more advanced, like here, but seems to require periodic administrator manual labor...
But Reddit man...can you imagine the millennial shitsticks and other assorted loonies RigInt would attract
(for now, copying all drafts before clicking...)

I mean I check in still on IRC client stuff, Delphi forums, etc. But with how rapidly the world keeps evolving(devolving) and how 13 years after my first post on "rigorousintuition" I still value all y'alls opinions, just sucks its a crapshoot any given second if this site is up or offline. I'm glad so many good minds have been coming back lately after a long time away/banned/scared off. But yeah, I too have a deep affinity for old school BBS style sites of the 1990s.
I dont know, Im a part of a lot of regulated closed community Reddit subs, and everyone within various hobby/subculture microcosms sub-wise seems pretty cordial and nice that aren't infiltrated by a bunch of idiot trolls. However, I also dig the super old school vibe of pre Reddit forums like here:)

[brainpanhandler]

I have also started taking Oil of Oregano on a regular basis. I always have a bottle of this on hand (if a problem tooth ever flares up, OoO is GUARANTEED to kill the pain – as well as any infection – at least temporarily, and almost always until the next flare-up!), and it cannot hurt to possibly be fortifying my defenses with this. I highly recommend the New Roots OoO (diluted 25% in olive oil), from oregano harvested in the mountains of Turkey, with a very high carvacrol content.

Do you dilute it yourself or buy it that way?

(Clove oil topically applied is also fantastic for tooth pain/infection)

[brainpanhandler]

I don't know about you all but I'm still partially stuck in the "can't believe it's really happening" stage.

I hear that. I've felt like a Cassandra for 6 weeks now. As little as 2 days ago I was still having to beg disbelieving friends and loved ones to avoid going out unless absolutely necessary.