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Re: Manufactured 'Contagion' - Coronavirus Edition

Postby Nordic » Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:23 am

Wanted to share a couple of things. First:

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... italy-says

And then this, which is absolutely ducking terrifying. From MIT’s Technology Review and authored by a total insider/“journalist” named Gideon Lichfield.

https://www.technologyreview.com/s/6153 ... 18-months/


Ultimately, however, I predict that we’ll restore the ability to socialize safely by developing more sophisticated ways to identify who is a disease risk and who isn’t, and discriminating—legally—against those who are.

We can see harbingers of this in the measures some countries are taking today. Israel is going to use the cell-phone location data with which its intelligence services track terrorists to trace people who’ve been in touch with known carriers of the virus.



:shock:


We don’t know exactly what this new future looks like, of course. But one can imagine a world in which, to get on a flight, perhaps you’ll have to be signed up to a service that tracks your movements via your phone. The airline wouldn’t be able to see where you’d gone, but it would get an alert if you’d been close to known infected people or disease hot spots. There’d be similar requirements at the entrance to large venues, government buildings, or public transport hubs. There would be temperature scanners everywhere, and your workplace might demand you wear a monitor that tracks your temperature or other vital signs. Where nightclubs ask for proof of age, in future they might ask for proof of immunity—an identity card or some kind of digital verification via your phone, showing you’ve already recovered from or been vaccinated against the latest virus strains.



:shock:


We’ll adapt to and accept such measures, much as we’ve adapted to increasingly stringent airport security screenings in the wake of terrorist attacks.The intrusive surveillance will be considered a small price to pay for the basic freedom to be with other people.

As usual, however, the true cost will be borne by the poorest and weakest.



There’s more of course.

And I have a feeling this article was written long before the shit hit the fan. Like The Patriot Act in regards to 9/11. They’ve been planning this.
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Re: Manufactured 'Contagion' - Coronavirus Edition

Postby Searcher08 » Thu Mar 19, 2020 7:57 am

Howdi! :sun:

Combine introversion, maths background and British reserve and you get Professor Neil Ferguson, whose work now seems to have been driving a lot of UK govt's apparently illogical coronavirus policy.



This is their latest research paper, definitely worth reading. My summary of it is that:

Even with high adoption of multiple containment NPIs, the NHS, at it's present capacity, is going to be overwhelmed.

Perhaps our most significant conclusion is that mitigation is unlikely to be feasible without emergency surge capacity limits of the UK and US healthcare systems being exceeded many times over. In the most effective mitigation strategy examined, which leads to a single, relatively short epidemic (case isolation, household quarantine and social distancing of the elderly), the surge limits for both general ward and ICU beds would be exceeded by at least 8-fold under the more optimistic scenario for critical care requirements that we examined.In addition, even if all patients were able to be treated, we predict there would still be in the order of 250,000 deaths in GB, and 1.1-1.2 million in the US.In the UK, this conclusion has only been reached in the last few days, with the refinement of estimates of likely ICU demand due to COVID-19 based on experience in Italy and the UK(previous planning estimates assumed half the demand now estimated) and with the NHS providing increasing certainty around the limits of hospita lsurge capacity. We therefore conclude that epidemic suppression is the only viable strategy at the current time. The social and economic effects of the measures which are needed to achieve this policy goal will be profound. Many countries have adopted such measures already, but even those countries at an earlier stage of their epidemic(such as the UK) will need to do so imminently.Our analysis informs the evaluation of both the nature of the measures requiredto suppress COVID-19and the likely duration that these measures will need to be in place. Results in this paper have informed policy making in the UK and other countries in the last weeks. However, we emphasise that is not at all certain that suppression will succeed longterm; no public health intervention with such disruptive effects on society has been previously attempted for such a long duration of time. How populations and societies will respond remains unclear.


https://www.imperial.ac.uk/media/imperial-college/medicine/sph/ide/gida-fellowships/Imperial-College-COVID19-NPI-modelling-16-03-2020.pdf

On a lighter note, this might be helpful for kids... and some adults perhaps.
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Re: Manufactured 'Contagion' - Coronavirus Edition

Postby Searcher08 » Thu Mar 19, 2020 1:27 pm

Possible Coronavirus Cure :thumbsup

[url]covidtrial.io[/url]

An Open Data Clinical Trial for COVID-19 Prevention

BREAKING UPDATE: Clinical trial by Gautret, Raoult, et al. (2020)

> Watch interview with Dr. Raoult
What is this initiative?

We're an independent group of scientists and physicians working on an open-data clinical trial for prevention of COVID-19, through the use of hydroxychloroquine in combination with other therapeutic agents.

Unlike a typical commercial drug trial, our objective is to share trial data with the public* and health-care professionals as close to real-time as possible (with a reasonable level of data quality assurance).

Given the rapidly spreading coronavirus pandemic, we're looking for every possible means to fast-track the effort.

> Read our draft paper

* Data will be de-identified to preserve participants' privacy and conform with regulatory requirements.
Join the trial

Objective: Evaluate the efficacy of hydroxychloroquine in the prevention of COVID-19 infection.

Current Phase: We're first focusing on a cohort study of healthy medical professionals.

Status: Active / Recruiting

Join the study: If you're a front-line healthcare worker (physician, nurse, etc.), and willing to participate in the trial (or already taking hydroxychloroquine), please send us an email.

Future phase: Case-control study of hydroxychloroquine in the prevention of COVID-19. Stay tuned.
Can my company / organization participate in the trial?

We'd be happy to discuss.
Could I support the project in other ways?

If you're interested to support or partner on regulatory front, clinical trial, or funding, please send us an email.
Background

A recent well controlled clinical study conducted by Didier Raoult​ M.D/Ph.D, et. al in France has shown that 100% of patients that received a combination of HCQ and Azithromycin tested negative and were virologically cured within 6 days of treatment.

In addition, recent guidelines from South Korea and China report that hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine are effective antiviral therapeutic treatments for novel coronavirus.

A therapeutic agent that prevents infection with novel coronavirus is highly desirable--especially for persons with high-risk exposure (e.g healthcare professionals) as well as persons with comorbidities (heart disease, diabetes, etc) and compromised immune systems. Ground-breaking in vitro studies demonstrate potential efficacy of hydroxychloroquine as a prophylactic for novel coronavirus infection in primate cells.

Note: Hydroxychloroquine (brand name Plaquenil) is an inexpensive, globally available drug (tablet) that was approved for widespread medical use since 1955. It is commonly used today to treat malaria, systemic lupus erythematosus and rheumatoid arthritis.
Project Lead

Gregory J. Rigano, Esq

Mr. Rigano is an Advisor to the Stanford University School of Medicine SPARK Translational Research Program. He's led a biotech firm for the past five years in research and clinical evaluation of Chloroquine in various diseases.

Gregory has provided counsel to over $1 billion in transaction volume at global scale with a strong focus on the sciences involving multi-national corporations and the federal government. Gregory’s experience includes advancing various pharmaceutical assets through laboratory, animal, formulation, manufacturing, clinical trials (Phase I - III) as well as commercialization. Mr. Rigano received his Juris Doctor degree from Hofstra University, and studied at Johns Hopkins University.
Consulting Scientists & Physicians

Didier Raoult​, MD & Ph.D

Didier Raoult created the Rickettsia Unit at Aix-Marseille University. Since 2008, Dr. Raoult has served as the director of URMITE (Research Unit in Infectious and Tropical Emergent Diseases), collaborating with CNRS (National Center for the Scientific Research), IRD (Research for the Development Institute), INSERM (National Institute of Health and Medical Research) and Aix Marseille University. His laboratory employs more than 200 people, including nearly 100 active researchers who publish between 250 and 350 papers per year and have produced over 50 patents.

Dr. Chandra Duggirala, MD

Chandra is a Physician, clinical investigator, inventor and serial entrepreneur.

He's been treating patients in the hospital, ER and ICU and is working to find prophylactic drugs for high risk health care workers. Chandra is focused on alleviating and eliminating Covid-19 pandemic by using therapeutic, prophylactic and system design approaches to reduce the burden on our healthcare system and reduce morbidity and mortality caused by SARS-COV2.

He founded Novobionics, a medical device company to treat diabetes and obesity non-invasively and invented it's double sleeve technology. He lead the company through preclinical trials and several US and international patents. He is also the Principal Investigator of the Reset-Youth trial, one of the largest clinical trials for investigating the reversibility of epigenetic markers of aging. He also founded a software company at the intersection of nutritional biology and A.I.




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Re: Manufactured 'Contagion' - Coronavirus Edition

Postby liminalOyster » Thu Mar 19, 2020 4:18 pm

CHLOROQUINE: THE STRANGE STORY BEHIND THE "CURE" FOR COVID-19 THAT'S GOING VIRAL
"People are looking for quick solutions of course and this bubbled to the top."

We know how to slow the spread of COVID-19 (social distancing, hand washing, etc). But as more people become infected, scientists are moving quickly in search of a cure.

But the internet is moving faster.


On Tuesday, March 17, a small, preliminary study on the anti-malarial drug chloroquine (pronounced klaw· ruh·kwn) as a treatment for COVID-19 published online. While the findings are tentatively promising, the study has been blown into something far bigger, thanks to the power of Elon Musk's 32 million followers on Twitter and a Google doc.

By Thursday, March 19, President Donald Trump addressed the use of chloroquine directly, stating that it has shown "tremendous promise."

WHAT IS CHLOROQUINE, and why do Musk and Trump think it holds promise?

Here's the story of how chloroquine went from anonymity to a proposed cure for a pandemic, in a matter of days.

At the time of writing, the global case count for COVID-19 surpassed 211,000, there is ongoing research on drugs like Remdesivir, which was used to treat Ebola. CHLOROQUINE is an anti-viral drug that has treated and prevented malaria since the 1940s. It is the subject of at least three clinical trials registered with the U.S. National Library of Medicine.

It is important to note: chloroquine DOES HOLD PROMISE as a treatment for COVID-19. A paper published on Monday, March 16, in the journal Bioscience Trends, suggests that chloroquine is a "breakthrough treatment" for Chinese patients. The drug has since been added to treatment guidelines in South Korea, Belgium, and China. However, Belgium's guidelines stipulate chloroquine should only be used in hospitalized patients, and the "results of ongoing clinical trials are eagerly awaited, ie., the evidence is still preliminary.

On Thursday, March 19, Trump suggested during a White House press conference that the Food and Drug Administration, which has not previously recognized any drug as a treatment for COVID-19, had approved the use of chloroquine to treat COVID-19.

"They've gone through the approval process. It has been approved. They [the FDA] took it down from many many months to immediate," Trump said. "We're going to be able to make that drug available by prescription."



As chloroquine is already FDA-approved for the treatment of malaria, it does not have to undergo the traditional rounds of safety testing that a new drug would have to, before it could be put to market.

Inverse has contacted the FDA seeking confirmation that the agency is now approving the use of the drug as a treatment for COVID-19.

But at the time of writing, Bloomberg news has reported that the FDA HAS NOT OFFICIALLY APPROVED the use of the drug for COVID-19.

The confusion is symptomatic of the drug's incredibly rapid rise from obscurity to national news.

In the past week, Cholorquine has gone from anonymity to the forefront of medical conversation using channels outside of academia and drug development.

On Monday, Musk tweeted a link to a google document titled "an effective treatment for Coronavirus."

"Maybe worth considering chloroquine for C19," the billionaire founder of Tesla, SpaceX and the Boring Company commented.

But the subject of Musk's tweet is NOT A SCIENTIFIC PAPER, rather a Google document that has since spawned a new conversation around the drug's efficacy for COVID-19 treatment.



The Google document is not peer-reviewed, but it cites several peer-reviewed studies, as well as phone calls and email conversations with scientists. Despite zero evidence, it has has been reported on by other news outlets like Fox News and the English-language French news website, The Connexion, as if it is a scientific study.

This is just not the case. Still, it served as the opening act for a far larger conversation that has unfolded this week.

Gregory Rigano is a co-author author of the Google document. Rigano is not a scientist. He's a lawyer who has spoken about chloroquine as a COVID-19 treatment three times on Fox News this week.

RIGANO TELLS INVERSE HE HAS BEEN ORGANIZING SCIENTISTS across the biopharmaceutical world for over a decade. He makes big claims — including that chloroquine and the antibiotic azithromycin (used to treat infections like pink eye) are "cures" for COVID-19. He also says he is working with scientist Didier Raoult, the director of the Mediterranean Institute of Infection, on a chloroquine-based treatment. Inverse contacted Raoult for comment multiple times, but he did not respond to repeated requests.

Rigano was reluctant to take full credit for the findings touted in the document.

"I need to let [Raoult] have his day here," Rigano tells Inverse. "It’s the first well-controlled study showing that hydroxy chloroquine and azithryomycin are cures to coronavirus."

"Him and his team are saving us," Rigano says.

Raoult is reported as the lead author of a study that claims to be published in the International Journal of Antimicrobial Agents as of Tuesday, March 17. As of the time of writing, the cited link to the study returns no results, but Raoult's institution has released a manuscript of the paper on their website.

Hartmut Derendorf, a professor emeritus of pharmaceutics at the University of Floria is an editor of The International Journal of Antimicrobial Agents. He confirmed to Inverse that the study has been peer-reviewed and submitted to that journal:

"The paper will be published shortly and is currently being processed," Derendorf says.


The doi listing for Raoult's paper is not functional, as of publishing. The paper however, was accepted to the International Journal of Antimicrobial Agents.
The study was conducted on 36 participants with confirmed COVID-19 infections. It found that ALL SIX PATIENTS taking hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin tested negative for COVID-19 after 6 days of treatment. A further 14 patients took only hydroxychloroquine, and 8 of them tested negative after the study period. In the control group, 2 patients tested negative at the close of the study.

Importantly, Trump DID NOT DISCUSS THE USE OF AZITHROMYCIN when he endorsed the use of chloroquine during the press conference on Thursday.

"For ethical reasons and because our first results are so significant and evident we decide to share our findings with the medical community," the authors write.

"HIM AND HIS TEAM ARE SAVING US."
Mattias Gotte is chair of the University of Alberta's Department of Medical Microbiology & Immunology (he is also researching Remdesivir). He tells Inverse that the paper's findings are compelling.

"I do think that the results are potentially interesting, and warrant further investigation with respect to both efficacy and underlying mechanism of these drugs as potential COVID-19 treatment," he says.

"The authors pointed out that this study is preliminary in nature and there are limitations."

The budding research on chloroquine suggests that it may be time to take it seriously. But the way that research has gained mass attention is unorthodox, to say the least, and moving at lightning speed.

Gregory Poland is a professor of medicine and infectious diseases at the Mayo Clinic. He's the director of the Mayo Clinic's Vaccine research group.

"I WOULD URGE US TO TAKE THESE WITH A GRAIN OF SALT."
"I would urge us to take these with a grain of salt," he tells Inverse regarding the hype around chloroquine as a treatment for COVID-19. "Until randomized clinical trials are published we can't tell if it's anecdote. Is it due to some unforeseen or improbable set of circumstances?"

"The medical literature is littered with tens of thousands of case reports like this where there is a claim of efficacy only to fall apart when randomized clinical trials are done."


When Inverse asked him why chloroquine seems to have experienced such a meteoric rise to the forefront, he offered a simple response.

"I think, panic," he says.

THE ELON TWEET AND THE GOOGLE DOC
Musk's tweet referencing the Google doc generated over 1 million impressions, Rigano says. It's been liked nearly 50,000 times. But the Google document is far below the standards of a scientific journal paper, even if the results of Raoult's subsequent study do seem promising.

When the document was first released on Friday, March 13, there were three co-authors on the document, including Thomas Brooker, a professor of biochemistry and molecular genetics at the University of Alabama. Broker's name has since been removed.

He calls the Google document "a pastiche of previous published research articles and recent news reports." He also tells Inverse that his name had been "gratuitously attached" to the document.

"I ASKED THE ACTUAL AUTHORS TO REMOVE MY NAME."
"I asked the actual authors to remove my name. I am glad that they did," he says.

"I neither contributed to, wrote any part of, nor had advance knowledge of this google.com document. I have never conducted research on RNA virus pathogens," Broker confirms.

The Google doc also cites a 2005 study on primate cells, showing that chloroquine may slow the spread of SARS coronavirus, at least in cell culture. When Inverse reached out to the researchers behind that study, they directed the inquiry to a CDC spokesperson.

"CDC is aware of reports of various medications being administered for either treatment or prophylaxis for COVID-19, including those demonstrating in vitro activity against SARS-CoV-2," CDC spokesperson Kristen Nordlund tells Inverse.

"At this time, it is important to ensure robust clinical data, gathered from clinical trials, are obtained quickly in order to make informed clinical decisions regarding the management of patients with COVID-19."

In essence, the Google document doesn't present any new information. Instead, it highlights the fact that chloroquine has been used in other countries as a possible COVID-19 treatment, and has a history as an anti-viral.

That said, the document has generated a great deal of coverage on its own, and perhaps raised the profile of Raoult's legitimate research.

After the study was released on Wednesday, Rigano appeared again on Fox News. Speaking to Tucker Carlson, he said that the study reports a "100 percent cure rate" for coronavirus. That 100 percent cure rate refers to the SIX PATIENTS who received both hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin in Raoult's study.


"What we're here to announce is the second cure to a virus of all time," said Rigano.

He also plugged his Twitter account and argued that this should be disseminated to the scientific community immediately.

Carlson, for his part, appears stunned on the newscast. "So, I only know what you're telling me," Carlson says. "I do know that it's very unusual of a study of anything to produce results of 100 percent."

There is some evidence that hospitals are starting to use hydroxychloroquine in their treatment regimens. On Twitter, Arun Sridhar a Cardiac Electrophysiologist at the University of Washington, tweeted out treatment guidelines that include the use of the drug.


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Rigano, appearing on Fox Business also stated that hospitals "around the country" are using chloroquine or hydroxychloroquine to treat their patients.

Rigano is effectively working as a spokesperson for Raoult's work. And that study has also served as a launchpad for Rigano's new project, which plans to operate outside of the traditional clinical trial framework.

"PEOPLE ARE LOOKING FOR QUICK SOLUTIONS OF COURSE AND THIS BUBBLED TO THE TOP."
Rigano claims to be the co-leader of a "decentralized organization" of scientists who are looking into the effects of chloroquine on COVID-19.

"We’ve been in contact with each other for years, exchanging different research operations. We decided to come together to solve this issue collectively. We are in touch with doctors and pharmaceutical manufacturers across the world," he says.

Rigano is attempting to start an "open data clinical trial" for COVID-19 prevention. Raoult is listed a "leading scientist and physician" on the project's website. The Google doc is referred to as a "draft paper" on that website. The trial is intended to enroll medical doctors, and "front-line healthcare workers" WHO WOULD TAKE THE DRUG THEMSELVES.

"Unlike a typical commercial drug trial, our objective is to share trial data with the public* and health-care professionals as close to real-time as possible (with a reasonable level of data quality assurance)," the website reads. [Emphasis theirs]
"We cannot wait for the government or a publicly traded corporation to go through the traditional route of a clinical trial. It will take too long and the disease will spread immediately," Rigano argues.

"IT WOULD BE OUTSIDE THE NORM FOR MEDICINE AS WE KNOW IT..."
Qualms about speed aside, accuracy is also important. That's the reason the randomized, controlled clinical trial is the gold standard for drug development, Gotte says. The new study makes a compelling case for scientists to look into chloroquine, but it isn't a justification for an overhaul of drug development.

"Randomized controlled clinical trials are the gold standard to evaluate investigational drugs," he says. "Other clinical data could be of potential interest, but randomized clinical trials are required to evaluate treatments."

Poland agrees. He acknowledges that people are desperate for a solution, which means that "under protocol" we should investigate things that hold promise, like chloroquine. But we just don't know for sure if something is really a treatment until you do clinical trials.

As for Rigano's proposed experiment, he says that it is not the same as a traditional clinical trial. The protocols are there to ensure both safety and efficacy.

"It would be outside the norm for medicine as we know it to just assume that they're beneficial and not harmful, and that it would benefit in the specific case of COVID-19."

WHAT'S NEXT FOR CHLOROQUINE?
At the end of the day, chloroquine has potential, says Vincent Racaniello, a virologist at Columbia University. He tells Inverse that chloroquine can clearly stop COVID-19 from replicating in cell culture. How the translates to human bodies is a different matter, however.

"The mechanisms, studied with other viruses, are known. However it needs to be tested in people," he says.

"As it is a licensed drug for malaria it can be used in people in clinical trials to test its effectiveness against SARS-CoV-2 [that's the official name for COVID-19 used by virologists]."

"People are looking for quick solutions of course and this bubbled to the top."

When Inverse sent the study to Racaniello, he noted that the methods are solid and in line with what you might expect in the field. But he adds that chloroquine can have many side effects. And though these authors don't report any side effects from the use of azithromycin and chloroquine, this single, small, and preliminary study isn't enough to suggest we should be using the drugs to treat all or even some COVID-19 cases.

"The paper does not report adverse effects of using both drugs together, but the number of patients is small. In larger numbers this could change," Racaniello says.

With weeks (or months) of social distancing ahead of us, we are looking for answers fast. Chloroquine may provide one. But one study tweeted by a celebrity and the President's erstwhile enthusiasm won't make or break it. Rather, this is only the beginning.

https://www.inverse.com/mind-body/chloroquine
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Re: Manufactured 'Contagion' - Coronavirus Edition

Postby Belligerent Savant » Thu Mar 19, 2020 4:28 pm

.

I won't be taking any 'cure' or vaccine for this. Easier for me to say, perhaps, since i'm generally healthy and middle-aged, and therefore less likely to be felled by this (whatever it may be relative to a flu variant). I would suggest others not immunocompromised or over a certain age consider the same.

Nothing will be taken at face value.


Adding an excerpt to the article Nordic linked above:


99% of Those Who Died From Virus Had Other Illness, Italy Says

More than 99% of Italy’s coronavirus fatalities were people who suffered from previous medical conditions, according to a study by the country’s national health authority.

After deaths from the virus reached more than 2,500, with a 150% increase in the past week, health authorities have been combing through data to provide clues to help combat the spread of the disease.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles ... italy-says
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Re: Manufactured 'Contagion' - Coronavirus Edition

Postby alloneword » Thu Mar 19, 2020 5:21 pm

I came up with a similar looking graph when I plotted the (UK specific) data I got from here: https://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/uk ... n-17902704

deaths.png


I'll update it as things develop.

That Wodarg snippet regarding coronavirus being in the top 5 'most common pathogens of acute respiratory diseases' detected in the monitoring in Scotland 05 - 13 appear to be validated by the UKGov 'Flu annual report: winter 2018 to 2019'

In Scotland, the pattern of non-influenza respiratory pathogens detected through non-sentinel sources (ECOSS) for 2018 to 2019 season (up to week 15 2019), was similar to that seen in the previous 2 seasons (2016 to 2017 and 2017 to 2018). Rhinovirus was the most commonly detected non-influenza pathogen (4,491 detections, 34.0% positive samples) followed by RSV (3,603 detections, 27.3% positive samples), adenovirus (1,645 detections, 12.5% positive samples) and coronavirus (1,469 detections, 11.1% positive samples). The other non-influenza pathogens (parainfluenza, hMPV and Mycoplasma pneumoniae) were detected in a lower proportion of positive samples (6.9%, 7.5% and 0.6%, respectively).

(pg 48)

Are they talking about the same thing, here? :shrug:
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Re: Manufactured 'Contagion' - Coronavirus Edition

Postby identity » Thu Mar 19, 2020 5:29 pm

Belligerent Savant » Thu Mar 19, 2020 12:28 pm wrote:.

I won't be taking any 'cure' or vaccine for this.


Hopefully, the power to make that choice will not be removed from us.

You can be sure, though, that once a vaccine becomes available, the unhinged online attack dogs will be going after us mercilessly!
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Re: Manufactured 'Contagion' - Coronavirus Edition

Postby semper occultus » Thu Mar 19, 2020 6:19 pm

seeming some venerable user names on the bored lately - RI partying like its 2009 :partyhat
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Re: Manufactured 'Contagion' - Coronavirus Edition

Postby JackRiddler » Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:21 pm

We meet at the borders of our being, we dream something of each others reality. - Harvey of R.I.

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I am by virtue of its might divine,
The highest Wisdom and the first Love.

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Re: Manufactured 'Contagion' - Coronavirus Edition

Postby identity » Fri Mar 20, 2020 12:42 am

When the dust finally settles, will they confirm that, in fact, no more people died from this than die from things flying around in the air every year?

Coronavirus death rate in Wuhan is lower than previously thought
A new study finds that the death rate in Wuhan, where the coronavirus outbreak started, is about 1.4%

In Wuhan, China, where the outbreak of the new coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 first began, the death rate from the infection may have been lower than previously thought.

Past studies estimated that between 2% and 3.4 % of known cases died. But a new study found that the death rate in the city was around 1.4%, according to a study published today (March 19) in the journal Nature Medicine.

The new estimate is based on data available as of Feb. 29. At that point, Wuhan had logged 48,557 COVID-19 cases and 2,169 deaths. The numbers have increased since then, but yesterday China reported no new local cases of the coronavirus, suggesting that China's epidemic is now under control. ...


https://www.livescience.com/coronavirus-death-rate-lower-thought-wuhan.html
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Re: Manufactured 'Contagion' - Coronavirus Edition

Postby Nordic » Fri Mar 20, 2020 1:07 am

This whole thing stinks. Doesn’t add up.

I do t want to sound too paranoid, but several days ago when the SHTF for real here, I was driving all around town and saw something I’d never seen before in the sky — jet contrails where I had never seen them before. And Jets all flying in the same direction as each other, nearly side by side but at very different altitudes, along this same, seemingly new flight path. This was directly over Portland Oregon and heading straight north. For at least a full day or more these contrails piled up and created a veritable woven rope of squished-together contrails that had never been there before.

Just weird and kind of ominous. It made me really think that there’s something going on that they’re not telling us about.

I took a couple of pictures but I’m doing this on my phone these days and do r know how to post them here. It’s been so long — don’t you have to post an irl where the picture already exists on the internet? I can’t just upload them?
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Re: Manufactured 'Contagion' - Coronavirus Edition

Postby identity » Fri Mar 20, 2020 1:32 am

Nordic » Thu Mar 19, 2020 9:07 pm wrote:This whole thing stinks. Doesn’t add up.

I do t want to sound too paranoid, but several days ago when the SHTF for real here, I was driving all around town and saw something I’d never seen before in the sky — jet contrails where I had never seen them before. And Jets all flying in the same direction as each other, nearly side by side but at very different altitudes, along this same, seemingly new flight path. This was directly over Portland Oregon and heading straight north. For at least a full day or more these contrails piled up and created a veritable woven rope of squished-together contrails that had never been there before.

Just weird and kind of ominous. It made me really think that there’s something going on that they’re not telling us about.

I took a couple of pictures but I’m doing this on my phone these days and do r know how to post them here. It’s been so long — don’t you have to post an irl where the picture already exists on the internet? I can’t just upload them?


Here, I'll save you the trouble of posting a pic (I'm also on the West Coast):
(I was sitting in the sunshine at the seaside for an hour around the time this was taken, and did not see any planes taking off or leaving the airport during that time, only these high-altitude planes with the long contrails behind them)

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Re: Manufactured 'Contagion' - Coronavirus Edition

Postby DrEvil » Fri Mar 20, 2020 4:37 am

That's just all the Silicon Valley billionaires fleeing to their New Zealand bunkers.
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Re: Manufactured 'Contagion' - Coronavirus Edition

Postby 8bitagent » Fri Mar 20, 2020 6:11 am

I've been a docile good little lefitst for most my life...but now we are to believe bat-eating wet markets and communist authoritarian China is being super transparent, yeah ok, The entire world ecomony, society, financial market, stability etc is collapsing right now. Sorry if its not "politically correct", but it this horror show is traced to meat eating idiots from exotic wet markets, then they are to blame. And yes I have finally become an Earth First vegan. The earth is sick, and weird meat eating is hurting the planet
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Re: Manufactured 'Contagion' - Coronavirus Edition

Postby DrEvil » Fri Mar 20, 2020 6:47 am

^^Problem is a lot of people don't have that luxury. African villagers don't eat bush meat because it's considered a delicacy.

As for the eating of exotic animals because it gives you a boner, completely agree. Fuck that shit. Traditional Chinese medicine at its "finest".

While on the topic of horseshit (or cow shit in this case) medical advice, India is screwed:

Hindu Nationalists Are Pushing Magical Remedies for the Coronavirus

Ayurvedic medicine and other pseudosciences are being pushed by BJP politicians.

MUMBAI—Worried about the coronavirus? Well, just turn to the ever-useful cow. On March 2, Suman Haripriya, an elected member of the ruling Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), said that cow urine and cow dung could be used to combat the outbreak. Chakrapani Maharaj, a Hindu leader, told a news site he would be organizing an event to educate people on the use of cow products to fight the disease.

Those aren’t the only remedies from the Hindu-nationalist toolbox. Baba Ramdev, a popular guru, told a television channel that Ayurvedic remedies could be deployed. And a few days ago Yogi Adityanath, the fire-breathing Hindu-nationalist chief minister of Uttar Pradesh, exhorted Indians to practice yoga to overcome stress and stay strong against various diseases, including the coronavirus.

The promotion of nationalist pseudoscience under the BJP has worried Indian scientists and skeptics for years. Since Prime Minister Narendra Modi came to power in 2014, even some scientists looking to ride the wave have trotted out claims about ancient India having had airplanes and stem-cell research, while there have been fierce fights over attempts to license traditional medicine practitioners. The government restructured existing departments to create the Ministry of AYUSH (the acronym combines several traditional or pseudoscientific schools of medicine), to cover such practices.

Public figures, especially members of the Hindu right, championing folk remedies or upholding ancient wisdom is thus neither new nor surprising. In recent years there have been such gems as: a BJP state chief minister claiming ancient Indians used the Internet, the prime minister himself alluding to plastic surgery as the possible reason behind the god Ganesh’s elephant head on a human body, another BJP chief minister asserting that cows exhaled oxygen, and union ministers who have said that both cow urine and yoga can be used in treatments for cancer.

The coronavirus has added fuel to the fire. The Ministry of AYUSH issued a dubious advisory on Jan. 29, shortly after the spread of the virus outside China increased. It was titled “Homoeopathy for Prevention of Corona virus Infections: Unani Medicines useful in symptomatic management of Corona Virus infection” and suggested traditional remedies. A second advisory claimed the homeopathic medicine “arsenicum album 30” could be used as a preventative prophylactic. Homeopathy is a Western-invented pseudoscience that doles out microscopic doses of treatments, and it has become vastly popular in India. It does not work.

“Health misinformation has always been an issue, especially since the formation of AYUSH which has been officially spreading misinformation about health,” said Pratik Sinha, the co-founder and editor of Alt News, a fact-checking site, which has run pieces debunking the claims.

So far India has seen 43 confirmed cases of the virus, but no deaths. Given the country’s population density and creaking public health infrastructure, experts fear that the disease could quickly overwhelm health systems if not handled correctly.

And while the virus may be spreading unseen in India, so, more obviously, are a raft of baseless assertions.

“It is a big challenge to identify and debunk medical misinformation,” said Nabeela Khan, deputy editor at Health Analytics Asia, a data-driven health news platform. “Even when you debunk it, it hardly reaches people because fake news travels faster … but when influencers and leaders make dubious claims, people tend to fall for it all the more easily…. It is important that politicians say things that are based on some scientific evidence and rationing.”

The government does take the coronavirus issue seriously. This week Modi announced he would skip Holi celebrations—a festival that starts on Monday and usually draws huge crowds for playful events—and Health Minister Harsh Vardhan said that all international passengers were being screened upon arrival. In Delhi, Rajasthan, and Hyderabad, where infected people are known to have traveled, several others have been quarantined and tested. But as Anant Bhan, a researcher in global health, bioethics, and health policy at Kasturba Medical College in Manipal, pointed out, “What the health ministry is saying and what the Ayush ministry is saying are not necessarily in conjunction.”

The dangers of disinformation and misinformation are obvious: In a developing country with high Internet connectivity and low literacy, bad information could have fatal consequences. “Whether during times of conflict or outbreaks, any irresponsible statement can have very negative implications through fanning fear-mongering and the spread of panic,” said Bhan.

With fake news and general WhatsApp virality both serious problems in India, politicians and influencers alike have been guilty of acting irresponsibly.


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