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Re: Manufactured 'Contagion' - Coronavirus Edition

Postby identity » Sat Mar 21, 2020 4:45 pm

Excerpt from Scenarios for the Future of Technology and International Development, a report produced by The Rockefeller Foundation and Global Business Network. (May 2010)

In 2012, the pandemic that the world had been anticipating for years finally hit. Unlike 2009's HlNl, this new influenza strain — originating from wild geese — was extremely virulent and deadly. Even the most pandemic-prepared nations were quickly overwhelmed when the virus streaked around the world, infecting nearly 20 percent of the global population and killing 8 million in just seven months, the majority of them healthy young adults. The pandemic also had a deadly effect on economies: international mobility of both people and goods screeched to a halt, debilitating industries like tourism and breaking global supply chains.

Even locally, normally bustling shops and office buildings sat empty for months, devoid of both employees and customers. The pandemic blanketed the planet — though disproportionate numbers died in Africa, Southeast Asia, and Central America, where the virus spread like wildfire in the absence of official containment protocols. But even in developed countries, containment was a challenge.

The United States's initial policy of "strongly discouraging" citizens from flying proved deadly in its leniency, accelerating the spread of the virus not just within the U.S. but across borders. However, a few countries did fare better — China in particular. The Chinese government's quick imposition and enforcement of mandatory quarantine for all citizens, as well as its instant and near-hermetic sealing off of all borders, saved millions of lives, stopping the spread of the virus far earlier than in other countries and enabling a swifter post- pandemic recovery. China's government was not the only one that took extreme measures to protect its citizens from risk and exposure.

During the pandemic, national leaders around the world flexed their authority and imposed airtight rules and restrictions, from the mandatory wearing of face masks to body-temperature checks at the entries to communal spaces like train stations and supermarkets. Even after the pandemic faded, this more authoritarian control and oversight of citizens and their activities stuck and even intensified. In order to protect themselves from the spread of increasingly global problems — from pandemics and transnational terrorism to environmental crises and rising poverty— leaders around the world took a firmer grip on power.

At first, the notion of a more controlled world gained wide acceptance and approval. Citizens willingly gave up some of their sovereignty— and their privacy — to more paternalistic states in exchange for greater safety and stability. Citizens were more tolerant, and even eager, for top-down direction and oversight, and national leaders had more latitude to impose order in the ways they saw fit. In developed countries, this heightened oversight took many forms: biometric IDs for all citizens, for example, and tighter regulation of key industries whose stability was deemed vital to national interests


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Re: Manufactured 'Contagion' - Coronavirus Edition

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Sat Mar 21, 2020 6:47 pm

Here are two articles from the abc in Australia. It's fairly mainstream, gov funded but it's the most trusted media source in Australia, and let's face it whatever our old categories are they'll be smashed by this as much as anything will.

This is a reasonable overview of the virus and the range of outcomes we can expect.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-22/covid-19-how-deadly-and-contagious-is-coronavirus/12068106

This is about Vo in Veneto Italy. A small town that contained it's outbreak and is relatively healthy.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-03-21/one-italian-town-is-bucking-the-countrys-coronavirus-curve/12075048

One thing that seems clear from this is that testing and isolation appears to be effective in containing the virus. Assuming there is no bullshit in the figures that is what has worked in SKorea, HK and Taiwan. All nations with exposure to SARS.

By testing I mean mass testing, including randomly in the community, testing on demand for potential patients if they request it and mass testing around outbreaks based on things like mass temperature testing of the population.

In Australia the plan the gov has, that Wombat linked to about a month ago has worked to a point, however economic considerations over rode other considerations, like immediately closing the countries borders, testing all arrivals and isolating them for up to three weeks instead of being behind the spread and only monitoring travel from places where it's already gone nuts.

The head of our version of the Stasi, an ex Qld copper I'll refer to as the Potato Blight from now on actually brought the virus into the country from the US a week or two ago. So it shows the silliness of not shutting all access to an island miles from anywhere.

Also, we tap elbows now instead of hugging and shaking hands. When (yes I'm hopeful) things go back to normal we'll probably still do it. As well as the other things.

One more point. This is a chance, when it all falls apart then comes back together to build a new and better world from the ground up. We don't have to let's the ptb keep their monopolies on control if we plan and organise now.

The national security state has failed it's greatest test, spread the word and help undermine its legitimacy. That's a start.
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Re: Manufactured 'Contagion' - Coronavirus Edition

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Sat Mar 21, 2020 7:01 pm

And, unless the virus mutates significantly in the meantime, if your immune system kills it you won't get it again (until it mutates).
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Re: Manufactured 'Contagion' - Coronavirus Edition

Postby Harvey » Sat Mar 21, 2020 7:31 pm

Elvis » Fri Mar 20, 2020 4:55 pm wrote:
Grippe-ing.


Last year I saw a doctor for a bad flu/pneumonia lung infection, and I described the achy chills as "the grippe"—and the doctor had never heard this term! Nor had he heard of the word ague. I was shocked.



Many experienced this in the UK between May and December of last year. During that period, few of the people I know well and speak to often, did not mention a family member developing quite bad chest infections requiring steroids and antibiotics, I recently learned that one died. Many others had short lasting flu like symptoms, for which there was no reason to visit a doctor, no accompanying bacterial infection, very like mild flu or a bad cold.
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Re: Manufactured 'Contagion' - Coronavirus Edition

Postby Harvey » Sat Mar 21, 2020 7:54 pm

Joe Hillshoist » Sat Mar 21, 2020 11:47 pm wrote:The national security state has failed it's greatest test, spread the word and help undermine its legitimacy.


Imagine where we'd be if the level of international co-operation just before 9/11 had maintained and improved.
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Re: Manufactured 'Contagion' - Coronavirus Edition

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Sat Mar 21, 2020 8:03 pm

Harvey » 22 Mar 2020 09:54 wrote:
Joe Hillshoist » Sat Mar 21, 2020 11:47 pm wrote:The national security state has failed it's greatest test, spread the word and help undermine its legitimacy.


Imagine where we'd be if the level of international co-operation just before 9/11 had maintained and improved.


We'd be living in that new and better world already. (It wouldn't be perfect obviously, but it wouldn't be as mental either. 9/11 and then a decade later social media and algorithms designed to break people's brains have broken what was good about our culture and let the worst of it run free.)
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Re: Manufactured 'Contagion' - Coronavirus Edition

Postby alloneword » Sat Mar 21, 2020 8:08 pm

I admire your optimism, JH.

Off-Guardian have a nice round-up:

https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/21/cor ... ew-normal/

I really have to hand it to them. We are so fucked.
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Re: Manufactured 'Contagion' - Coronavirus Edition

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Sat Mar 21, 2020 8:15 pm

So I've (well an online mate from a footy forum but I'll ride his coat tails) sussed out a bit about these so called "cure" drugs.

Apparently secret trials have already happened in Oz and public ongoing tests may be rolled out this week.

The drugs interfere with the viruses ability to cross cell membranes. They aren't so much a cure as a bit of braking on the process. My mate specifically used the term handbrake.

They slow the virus down, which should help enable an addaptive immune response before the virus overwhelms your bodies systems.

However they don't stop it. They just slow it significantly (in some cases allegedly.)

Given how fucked it is when things go bad tho ... This could save thousands of lives, maybe more. If it does work.
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Re: Manufactured 'Contagion' - Coronavirus Edition

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Sat Mar 21, 2020 8:41 pm

alloneword » 22 Mar 2020 10:08 wrote:I admire your optimism, JH.

Off-Guardian have a nice round-up:

https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/21/cor ... ew-normal/

I really have to hand it to them. We are so fucked.


I heard reports from Italy over a week ago and as a result I'm voluntarily isolating myself and family as much as possible. It's easy with neighbours kms away not above me in a block of flats. You can go from healthy to dead in a day with this virus. If you are unlucky. It gets into your lungs and your immune response will drown you. Intensive care will keep you alive long enough for a moderated immune response to work if you can survive what is known as a Cytokine storm.

If the virus breaks out in numbers it will overwhelm medical systems and mass death will be the result.

TPTB don't want this. It will fuck their systems of control as the economy crashes. Many of them may die. None of their systems are foolproof and all of them are dependent on people being scared and pessimistic to the point of paralysis. At the same time what they are asking is reasonable at the moment. Give up a little of your freedom temporarily to keep vulnerable people and the medical staff that are there to help them a little safer.

Just be aware of what you are doing and why. Educate yourself and trust the science people are doing on this. They aren't all members of the axis of control. Would you willingly risk other people's health for your own convenience? We've never experienced anything like this before.

Pandemics don't hurt us in our safe western homes.

One of the things I've heard is that a history of smoking increases your risk of disease progression by 1400%, ie 14x.

That scary, I used to smoke heaps, weed and tobacco tho I haven't had the latter for over 8 1/2 years. But I've copped so much bushfire smoke last season that this may get me if I get infected. My daughters are a mathematical sequence :D - 2, 4 and 8 years old.

I'm 50. I don't want to leave them without a dad.

So I try to be positive cos it will give me the best chance of survival.
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Re: Manufactured 'Contagion' - Coronavirus Edition

Postby Harvey » Sat Mar 21, 2020 9:06 pm

alloneword » 22 Mar 2020 10:08 wrote:So I try to be positive cos it will give me the best chance of survival.


I know that's true.
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Re: Manufactured 'Contagion' - Coronavirus Edition

Postby Harvey » Sat Mar 21, 2020 9:28 pm

alloneword » Sun Mar 22, 2020 1:08 am wrote:I admire your optimism, JH.

Off-Guardian have a nice round-up:

https://off-guardian.org/2020/03/21/cor ... ew-normal/

I really have to hand it to them. We are so fucked.


On that note, "DOJ Seeks Ability To Detain People Indefinitely Without Trial."
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Re: Manufactured 'Contagion' - Coronavirus Edition

Postby Project Willow » Sat Mar 21, 2020 10:17 pm

Here's a neurobiologist from Pittsburg reviewing the history of gain of function research and summarizing evidence for Covid19 as a lab created virus, all while riding his bike through town in the rain:


Here's the article he references. Can't vouch for the author(s), know nothing about them, and one of them worked at Los Alamos? :zomg
https://harvardtothebighouse.com/2020/0 ... 2019-ncov/

Petition to ban gain of function research:
https://www.change.org/p/national-insti ... _dashboard
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Re: Manufactured 'Contagion' - Coronavirus Edition

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Sat Mar 21, 2020 11:30 pm

Thanks for the links. I was in here early saying I didn't care much about bioweapon origin stories or bat soup origin stories, but as this has worn on, having spent a lot of time reading about previous coronavirus iterations, it's pretty obvious this one is radically different. The longer incubation time, the heavy viral shedding while asymptomatic / low symptoms, as well as the long tail of shedding & multiple infection routes...

Factor in the fact our governments are planning for a peak in the middle of August -- the opposite of flu season -- as well as the firsthand stories from clinicians about patients suffering through ARDS, and there's a clear disconnect between planning responses and the notion this is just another version of the flu. Gain of function is the key to that. Looking forward to digging into the article.

Joe Hillshoist » Sat Mar 21, 2020 6:01 pm wrote:And, unless the virus mutates significantly in the meantime, if your immune system kills it you won't get it again (until it mutates).


I think it's too early to believe that our immune systems will make a difference when there have been consistent incidents of reinfection being reported in every country this has hit so far. That may wash out as a persistent testing error (false negative in patients who had it the whole time) but it also may not.
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Re: Manufactured 'Contagion' - Coronavirus Edition

Postby Grizzly » Sat Mar 21, 2020 11:58 pm

^^ Interesting Lynn, thank-you.

Then there's this...
Trump, White House Coronavirus task force (FULL)



@ 1:04:35—POMPEO: I’ve been very critical (talking about the way China handled the outbreak)

Trump: (mumbling) That’s not what I’ve heard.

Shortly after @ 1:04:48 pompeo brings up the live exercise

There is a lot of good info throughout the entire briefing. Trump also calls it the “deep state” department maybe 10 minutes prior....around 55 min, maybe.....a reporter even comments on trumps deep state comment and pompeo defends trump.


https://twitter.com/acadiansheperd/status/1241226800585416704?s=21

https://streamable.com/grk04



https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/fmrgaj/has_anyone_been_able_to_verify_this/
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Re: Manufactured 'Contagion' - Coronavirus Edition

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Sun Mar 22, 2020 12:13 am

That's how people in DC talk. He's not saying what you think he is, just look it up.

Pompeo is a dumbass but he's not stupid enough to admit to some vast conspiracy to simulate a global outbreak on live TV.
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