SANDERS 2020 is seriously dangerous <3

[Grizzly]

Why do I get the feeling that every Sanders donation actually went into a fund that to pay for rounding up all Sanders donors and volunteers for daring to ask for a less fucked nation?

I've thought the very same thing, on different levels. As if we're just flagging ourselves to be ultimately eliminated. Perhaps, after they work us and starve us to death, first.

I'm neutral on the country-boy shtick, but do watch where this goes...

[Grizzly]

Why do I get the feeling that every Sanders donation actually went into a fund that to pay for rounding up all Sanders donors and volunteers for daring to ask for a less fucked nation?

I've thought the very same thing, on different levels. As if we're just flagging ourselves to be ultimately eliminated. Perhaps, after they work us and starve us to death, first.

I'm neutral on the country-boy shtick, but do watch where this goes... (it's quick)

[JackRiddler]

Vote suppression and voting machine counting fraud are somehow filed under verboten topics even among the farthest left independent media.

Huge difference. Vote suppression is a legitimate subject. It is conducted on a massive scale in most states. It comes in many forms and entails brazen measures conducted in public view. There are those whose professional mission is to deny it and defame those who expose it, but it cannot be described as a verboten topic. It is more like "elusive information." Efforts to talk about it are targeted with distraction, minimization, propaganda that diverts attention to partial or relatively minor aspects or offers false solutions, and, I think above all, general exhaustion. They throw the kitchen sink at rigging elections, engage in massive lie campaigns (like Trump's phantom illegal alien voters or the four-year #Russiagate op), and wear people out through long struggles in which those with the most financial and organizational resources have overwhelming advantage. At the end of extended battles like the 2000 Florida fight or Kemp-Abrams in Georgia (to take only two examples) the riggers still get their way, and it's discouraging. It's also really complicated and is part of a general clampdown on all potentials for electoral democracy, so that it goes together with gerrymandering, all the arcane restrictions on ballot access, the legalization of practices that were previously bribery or fraud via campaign finance and PAC activity, the corporate and right-wing takeover of judicial appointments, measures to bar future governments from changing laws, the judicial roll-back of voting rights protections, regulatory capture to overturn legislative power, the proliferation of emergency management and independent boards appointed by lobbyists and landowners, etc. etc. The problem is that this is the whole fucking interlocking political power structure that has to be confronted, as well as all the (often well-intentioned) ideology about how your vote is important, it counts, it makes a difference, etc.

Discussions of vote-machine fraud fall into a different category, due to the problem very obviously encapsulated in the term "black box." Even when it's real, it's invisible. You are literally attacking a problem that cannot be seen. Almost everything is supposition no matter how warranted. Showing that it happened depends on predictive models and data sets that are by definition fuzzy, even if considered reliable. Claims about an election that has already been counted cannot be experimentally tested in the real world (even when the case is slam-dunk obvious to this or that statistician). And then you have all of the above modes of distraction, plus it can be hit as "conspiracy theory" and "sore loser talk." We already know the only solution, both to solve the problem and to potentially get the political momentum to do so, is to cut the Gordian Knot: paper ballots, the paper is the legal vote, hand-counted, lots of people present from different parties, enough personnel to do it, with public oversight, with patience. And it needs to be counterposed to the very general and graspable idea, fundamental to the ideal of transparency, that even if they were honest brokers (ha ha ha ha) this task can never be entrusted to corporate-owned "proprietary" secret software that can be programmed or hacked to produce rigged results without any hope of detection. It has to be motivated on general principle more than through specific cases where you get stuck in a numbers morass and are susceptible to accusations of paranoia even if you're right.

.

[Iamwhomiam]

Very well stated, Jack.

I really do not find Cuomo as unreasonable in having prisoners do this work. Slave labor in prisons is permitted by law And if they weren't working on this, they'd be working on something else, like making license plates or road signs. Besides, the scalpers control the markets now and getting a reasonable price is no longer possible if you could find a manufacturer with surplus backstock, but none do. This product is primarily for state workers to use in order to allow the state government to continue operating and the Governor knows none is available commercially in retail stores.

I have no love for Cuomo Jr., none at all.

Funny the guy in the video has never in all his years ever before complained about prison labor making his license plates or road signs.

[Grizzly]

Sanders wins Utah in final presidential primary results!

https://www.deseret.com/utah/2020/3/24/21192763/bernie-sanders-joe-biden-elizabeth-warren-presidential-primary-results-utah-final

SALT LAKE CITY — Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders won Utah’s March 3 Democratic presidential primary with just over 36% of the vote, according to the final results released by the state elections office Tuesday.

The front-runner nationally, former Vice President Joe Biden, earned 18.4%.

Are they are still counting Colorado and California from super Tuesday??


p.s. I suspect readership is down, because of the webpage errors??

[Elvis]

Yeah I like how Biden 'wins' are announced early and often—while Sanders wins are usually delayed and downplayed.

All bets are off with the current crisis.

[Grizzly]

Sanders files to run in N.J. Democratic primary - New Jersey Globe
https://newjerseyglobe.com/congress/sanders-files-to-run-in-n-j-democratic-primary/amp/?__twitter_impression=true

Jersey votes on June 2nd, We still in it, dawgs! He's going to force a convention! By then he will have won Cali and Colorado, from Super Tue.

[minime]

Vote suppression and voting machine counting fraud are somehow filed under verboten topics even among the farthest left independent media.

We already know the only solution, both to solve the problem and to potentially get the political momentum to do so, is to cut the Gordian Knot: paper ballots, the paper is the legal vote, hand-counted, lots of people present from different parties, enough personnel to do it, with public oversight, with patience. And it needs to be counterposed to the very general and graspable idea, fundamental to the ideal of transparency, that even if they were honest brokers (ha ha ha ha) this task can never be entrusted to corporate-owned "proprietary" secret software that can be programmed or hacked to produce rigged results without any hope of detection. It has to be motivated on general principle more than through specific cases where you get stuck in a numbers morass and are susceptible to accusations of paranoia even if you're right.

I think not.

Both at once?

[Joe Hillshoist]

Talk about seriously dangerous! If this Sanders fellow is elected, we're all going to DIE HORRIBLE DEATHS.

sanders equals coronovirus.jpg

That guy has weird shaped head.

[liminalOyster]

He's out.

[norton ash]

Groan. Here comes Cuomo. I give Biden maybe a week before he's torn to pieces by the opposition, and sentient Dems who won't accept the rapey old madman.

[JackRiddler]

Will you people forget Cuomo? He's already withering and won't be looking very good at all in a few more days. Biden's handlers will be letting you know who their actual candidate for president by 2021 will be shortly. Note that "suspended" means Sanders is still on the ballot, so if the GOP and its uncontrollable minions go crazy destroying Biden quickly enough, this thing may still end up brokered.

[JackRiddler]

But anyway.

Sucks.

[norton ash]

I'm only floating Cuomo because Biden is totally unacceptable. The Dems will have to do SOMETHING.

Who's up for predicting the inevitable not-Biden D candidate? Gabbard? Warren? Cthulhu?

And yes, this really fucking sucks.

[liminalOyster]

I ain't doing it again, is all I have to say. I won't be "voting" Green and I shan't ever again even entertain indulgent masturbation to the idea that maybe the death machine has an exploitable bug somewhere therein. I resign and shall heretofore spectate.