Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby norton ash » Fri Apr 10, 2020 11:36 am

I remain too agnostic to post much, but I find most COVID information sus on all sides, and I'm growing tired of zealots. I posted some articles about the White House boosting hydroxychloquine for the personal gain of connected admin members and traders, but I guess the stories didn't have enough big fonts and footage of empty emergency rooms, and didn't make their one stupid point after 20 mins of filler.

Just commenting on the garbage piling up on one side of the scale, because I tend to say obvious things. Stay well.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Grizzly » Fri Apr 10, 2020 12:54 pm

Somethings Fucky...

Fauci, Birx, and Redfield - Army Virus Bioweapons Plan




From MOA: (Effective home-made mask insert/liner material: Two brands of cheap widely available blue shop towels are found to work great: starts at minute 31:20.)
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby JackRiddler » Fri Apr 10, 2020 2:24 pm

norton ash » Fri Apr 10, 2020 10:36 am wrote:I remain too agnostic to post much, but I find most COVID information sus on all sides, and I'm growing tired of zealots. I posted some articles about the White House boosting hydroxychloquine for the personal gain of connected admin members and traders, but I guess the stories didn't have enough big fonts and footage of empty emergency rooms, and didn't make their one stupid point after 20 mins of filler.

Just commenting on the garbage piling up on one side of the scale, because I tend to say obvious things. Stay well.


It is kind of obvious and I was just going to bring a hydroxychloroquine story over too.

Trump Has ‘Small,’ ‘Distant Link’ To Sanofi, French Drugmaker Of Hydroxychloroquine


https://www.forbes.com/sites/lisettevoy ... 344ce72603

Truth is, it's probably peanuts, though maybe he thinks the $3K (if it's only that) will turn into millions if it becomes THE treatment. Still, it's like playing Bond villain is a hobby for him, a compulsion for the kicks.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Elvis » Fri Apr 10, 2020 3:01 pm

I have some trouble separating the information from the informant who places all trust in a fictional character from 2,000 years ago. That's just my bias.

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Heaven Swan » Fri Apr 10, 2020 4:33 am wrote:An ICU nurse blows the whistle.

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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Blue » Fri Apr 10, 2020 6:36 pm

norton ash » Fri Apr 10, 2020 9:36 am wrote:I remain too agnostic to post much, but I find most COVID information sus on all sides, and I'm growing tired of zealots. I posted some articles about the White House boosting hydroxychloquine for the personal gain of connected admin members and traders, but I guess the stories didn't have enough big fonts and footage of empty emergency rooms, and didn't make their one stupid point after 20 mins of filler.

Just commenting on the garbage piling up on one side of the scale, because I tend to say obvious things. Stay well.

I hear ya norton. We all know some people aren't as dumb as they seem to be; promoting the "it's just the fucking flu, thousands die every year" thing. Do I really have to answer that? Yeah, thousands die annually, supposedly from "flu" (altho other reasons should be discussed, especially bacterial causes of death since MRSA and C-diff are running rampant in hospitals in America, but that's another story) over 12 months over thousands of miles of the USA. It's not normal to have 500-700 die every day for weeks in one American city! This virus is highly contagious and it is overwhelming the shitty American health insurance system.

Charts and stats don't change any of that.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby JackRiddler » Fri Apr 10, 2020 6:48 pm

Elvis » Fri Apr 10, 2020 2:01 pm wrote:I have some trouble separating the information from the informant who places all trust in a fictional character from 2,000 years ago. That's just my bias


I like fictional characters from 2,000 years ago. You can trust them to stay consistent.

But what about fictional characters from this week? Much worse.

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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby undead » Fri Apr 10, 2020 9:11 pm

I'd like to hear more about the crisis of underlying conditions, and how they were all caused by the chemical/pharmaceutical monopoly that solidified over the last 50 years or so. It is so glaringly obvious that this one pathogen is a scapegoat for all the failings of the medical system and the people who profit from it. It is a sick joke to blame this virus, like blaming pneumonia for HIV/AIDS. This thread should be called "Industrial Hospital Concentration Camp and Economic Collapse Crisis: Main Thread".

https://www.health.com/condition/infectious-diseases/coronavirus/covid-19-hospitalization

Nearly 90% of People Hospitalized for COVID-19 Have Underlying Conditions, Says CDC

The highest rates of hospitalization occurred in those ages 65 and older.

For weeks, the world has been inundated with information about the COVID-19 pandemic. While cases continue to rise and researchers learn more about the novel coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2), most data has lacked a certain specificity needed to ensure that people take this illness seriously. But on Tuesday, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) was able to give a closer look at exactly who is most affected by COVID-19—and its findings underscore the importance of the preventive measures we've all been taking.

In a new study published for the CDC's Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, researchers found that the majority of those hospitalized due to COVID-19 have preexisting conditions—about 90% of patients, or nearly all, had one or more underlying conditions. The most common, per the CDC, include hypertension (49.7%), obesity (48.3%), chronic lung disease (34.6%), diabetes mellitus (28.3%), and cardiovascular disease (27.8%).

The data collected for the study came from the COVID-19–Associated Hospitalization Surveillance Network (COVID-NET), created for population-based surveillance for all confirmed COVID-19–related hospitalizations in the US. The CDC's new study used the demographics of 1,482 COVID-19 patients admitted between March 1 and March 30, from across 14 different states: California, Colorado, Connecticut, Georgia, Iowa, Maryland, Michigan, Minnesota, New Mexico, New York, Ohio, Oregon, Tennessee, and Utah.

Age also played a role in the hospitalization rates of COVID-19 patients—the study found that 74.5% of those hospitalized due to coronavirus were age 50 or older, with the highest rates among those over 65. Men were also disproportionately affected (54.4% of those hospitalized from COVID-19 were male), as were African Americans, who represented 33% of hospitalizations, despite only making up 18% of the total population studied.

The study points out that most of the underlying conditions among hospitalized COVID-19 patients are similar to those that affect hospitalized influenza patients, though those with COVID-19 are reportedly hospitalized at a higher rate. (According to data from the 2014-2015 through 2018-2019 flu seasons, 29-31% of hospitalized patients had chronic lung disease, versus 34.6% of COVID-19 patients with lung disease.)

But this isn't the first set of data on the prevalence of underlying conditions among those hospitalized with COVID-19. In a previous Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report published by the CDC on April 3, it was reported that, among 457 ICU hospital admissions and 1,037 non-ICU hospitalizations, 78% and 71% respectively occurred in those with one or more reported underlying health conditions. Another Chinese study published in the New England Journal of Medicine found that, of 1,099 hospitalized patients, coexisting illnesses were more common among those with severe disease (38.7%) versus non-severe disease (21%).

While this research is still preliminary and only accounts for about 10% of the entire US population, researchers maintain that these findings "underscore the importance of preventive measures" like social distancing, regular handwashing, and now, wearing face masks in public settings, in order to continue protecting older adults and those with underlying medical conditions from COVID-19.

The CDC also says that those with underlying health conditions who also have symptoms of COVID-19—including cough, fever, or shortness of breath, among others–should immediately contact their health care provider.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby identity » Sat Apr 11, 2020 12:49 am

Dr. Judy Mikovits on Coronavirus

"The people most likely to get severe disease from this coronavirus spreading are the vaccine-injured. And it is the vaccinated spreading the virus because they're immune-compromised."


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJb-g8ZB4xo

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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Sat Apr 11, 2020 1:09 am

undead » 11 Apr 2020 11:11 wrote:I'd like to hear more about the crisis of underlying conditions, and how they were all caused by the chemical/pharmaceutical monopoly that solidified over the last 50 years or so. It is so glaringly obvious that this one pathogen is a scapegoat for all the failings of the medical system and the people who profit from it. It is a sick joke to blame this virus, like blaming pneumonia for HIV/AIDS. This thread should be called "Industrial Hospital Concentration Camp and Economic Collapse Crisis: Main Thread".

https://www.health.com/condition/infectious-diseases/coronavirus/covid-19-hospitalization

Nearly 90% of People Hospitalized for COVID-19 Have Underlying Conditions, Says CDC

The highest rates of hospitalization occurred in those ages 65 and older.

For weeks, the world has been inundated with information about the COVID-19 pandemic. While cases continue to rise and researchers learn more about the novel coronavirus (SARS-CoV-2), most data has lacked a certain specificity needed to ensure that people take this illness seriously. But on Tuesday, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) was able to give a closer look at exactly who is most affected by COVID-19—and its findings underscore the importance of the preventive measures we've all been taking.

In a new study published for the CDC's Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report, researchers found that the majority of those hospitalized due to COVID-19 have preexisting conditions—about 90% of patients, or nearly all, had one or more underlying conditions. The most common, per the CDC, include hypertension (49.7%), obesity (48.3%), chronic lung disease (34.6%), diabetes mellitus (28.3%), and cardiovascular disease (27.8%).

The data collected for the study came from the COVID-19–Associated Hospitalization Surveillance Network (COVID-NET), created for population-based surveillance for all confirmed COVID-19–related hospitalizations in the US. The CDC's new study used the demographics of 1,482 COVID-19 patients admitted between March 1 and March 30, from across 14 different states: California, Colorado, Connecticut, Georgia, Iowa, Maryland, Michigan, Minnesota, New Mexico, New York, Ohio, Oregon, Tennessee, and Utah.

Age also played a role in the hospitalization rates of COVID-19 patients—the study found that 74.5% of those hospitalized due to coronavirus were age 50 or older, with the highest rates among those over 65. Men were also disproportionately affected (54.4% of those hospitalized from COVID-19 were male), as were African Americans, who represented 33% of hospitalizations, despite only making up 18% of the total population studied.

The study points out that most of the underlying conditions among hospitalized COVID-19 patients are similar to those that affect hospitalized influenza patients, though those with COVID-19 are reportedly hospitalized at a higher rate. (According to data from the 2014-2015 through 2018-2019 flu seasons, 29-31% of hospitalized patients had chronic lung disease, versus 34.6% of COVID-19 patients with lung disease.)

But this isn't the first set of data on the prevalence of underlying conditions among those hospitalized with COVID-19. In a previous Morbidity and Mortality Weekly Report published by the CDC on April 3, it was reported that, among 457 ICU hospital admissions and 1,037 non-ICU hospitalizations, 78% and 71% respectively occurred in those with one or more reported underlying health conditions. Another Chinese study published in the New England Journal of Medicine found that, of 1,099 hospitalized patients, coexisting illnesses were more common among those with severe disease (38.7%) versus non-severe disease (21%).

While this research is still preliminary and only accounts for about 10% of the entire US population, researchers maintain that these findings "underscore the importance of preventive measures" like social distancing, regular handwashing, and now, wearing face masks in public settings, in order to continue protecting older adults and those with underlying medical conditions from COVID-19.

The CDC also says that those with underlying health conditions who also have symptoms of COVID-19—including cough, fever, or shortness of breath, among others–should immediately contact their health care provider.


I'm not against vaccines (dont waste my with the flu one tho) but I think you raise some good points.

But one issue with this virus is doctors who were otherwise healthy are dying. While age and serious health conditions are the biggest indicators it seems as tho healthy younger people are vulnerable if their viral load is high. That would be driven by exposure.

It might explain why high density areas and societies have more trouble too.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby 8bitagent » Sat Apr 11, 2020 4:23 am

Just rewatched The Running Man from 1987 with Arnold. Literally the film is about how in the early 2020's, America has completely collapsed into social/financial ruin, all forms of entertainment/sports are gone and where a totalitarian police state has taken over ruled by a popular loudmouth tv game show host.

Sadly it seems like real life in America in the coming year/years will be right out of a 1980s cyberpunk dystopic movie mixed with a 2010s zombie movie. Every second of every minute of every hour of every 24/7 news cycle on tv is showing endless death and horror that almost seems unreal and hard to process, with a massive ocean of cascading life altering effects. Yet people on social media and tv are so buried in their own denial.

Rewatching the Matrix, checking out Alex Jones for the first time in years...sorry I have to say the feverish conspiracy ramblings are more spot on as to whats happening and to come than Nate Silver, MSNBC idiots, NPR wonks and Daily Beast articles.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby brainpanhandler » Sat Apr 11, 2020 5:06 am

8bitagent » Sat Apr 11, 2020 3:23 am wrote:...checking out Alex Jones for the first time in years...sorry I have to say the feverish conspiracy ramblings are more spot on as to whats happening and to come than Nate Silver, MSNBC idiots, NPR wonks and Daily Beast articles.


Really? You're going to plug Jones? Why not just link to his coronavirus killing toothpaste?

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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Heaven Swan » Sat Apr 11, 2020 5:58 am

Interesting perspective from Sam Vaknin, our favorite narcissist ( who studied medicine).

COVID-19 Panic Merchants: Lies, Conspiracies, and Statistics (Oh, and Science)

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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Heaven Swan » Sat Apr 11, 2020 6:08 am

Elvis » Fri Apr 10, 2020 3:01 pm wrote:I have some trouble separating the information from the informant who places all trust in a fictional character from 2,000 years ago. That's just my bias.

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Hi Elvis,

I get what you say but I’ve adopted a different approach—which involves evaluating the information proposed on its merits while remaining neutral to the source.

The exception to that would relate to sincerity. When I perceive a high level of insincerity in a speaker I tend to reject their message. An example would be Andrew Cuomo (Gov of New York)—when he speaks I’m gripped by a bad feeling bordering on revulsion. Then, if I hear that he’s using the current crisis to stealthily sign bills*** that hurt poor and working people (as I did), that clinches it in my mind.

Carry on.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Heaven Swan » Sat Apr 11, 2020 6:45 am

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Citation for above post re: Gov Cuomo—

From Metropolitan Council on Housing Newsletter—


”Met Council on Housing

Housing for People—not Profit


Friend --

In the last three weeks, New Yorkers have come together in amazing ways. Neighbors have gotten each other groceries, we've checked in on each other, and strangers are going out of the way to help each other.

We have all seen Governor Cuomo on TV being praised by the rest of the country. In New York, we know better! Last week, Cuomo rammed through a state budget that cut funding to healthcare, rolled back bail reform and failed to help homeless NYers or Tenants. We need to fight more than ever!

Since our founding in 1959, Met Council on Housing has been able to fight for stronger tenants' rights because of our members. We are a small staff but can do mighty things because of all of you. Right now, we need your help more than ever and there are so many ways to get involved:

One of the best ways to help us spread the word about the eviction moratorium, get people involved and be a friendly voice right now is by joining our listening tour. We are asking people to do calls particularly Saturday 4/11, Monday 4/13, and Tues 4/14 so that people feel less alone during this holiday season. You can also do these calls anytime between 9 AM to 9 PM. Even just joining us once for one hour makes a difference.”
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Sounder » Sat Apr 11, 2020 7:12 am

BPH wrote...
Really? You're going to plug Jones?


Ra, Ra, sis boom bah, poison pill does its job, Gates, Blackrock, Vanguard, Alphabet CDC and WHO will save our asses. Just relax as the needle is sticking you, it's for your own good. :yay :yay :yay
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