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JackRiddler » Sat Apr 11, 2020 5:07 pm wrote: excess deaths, i.e. total deaths from all causes compared against expected numbers based on the past, are surely the most reliable indicator of C19 impact whether direct or collateral.
How effective are State wide shutdowns versus more measured approaches? That is what I will analyze in this post by looking at the data.
..it is important that some of the simplistic thinking surrounding this crisis needs to be challenged. If the only moral and virtuous policy is to minimise Covid deaths at all costs, as parts of the media imply with the endless game of ‘look how badly Britain is doing compared to X other country’, there can be no argument for releasing any part of the national shutdown at any point. The refrain at every point will be the same: why take a risk with people’s lives? And the Government will find itself backed into a corner.
A better definition of success would surely be: which governments are getting the balance right between protecting their people as reasonably as possible against this new threat while not destroying too much of their country in the process? Death rates per million is not the only datapoint in this difficult equation; and right now, it is far too early to judge how successful Sweden, or the UK, will be.
We will publish extra articles periodically, giving enhanced information such as age-standardised and age-specific mortality rates for recent time periods, and breakdowns of deaths involving COVID-19 by associated pre-existing health conditions.
The COVID-19 death risk in people <65 years old during the period of fatalities from the epidemic was equivalent to the death risk from driving between 9 miles per day (Germany) and 415 miles per day (New York City).
[p.16]..no matter what strategy is selected for addressing COVID-19 in the current or future epidemic waves should include special emphasis in protecting very elderly individuals.
fully justified “better safe than sorry” approach in the absence of good data.
lockdowns may be even harmful as a response to COVID-19 itself, if they broaden rather than flatten the epidemic curve
[T.2, p.6]Reduce contacts by 50% in workplaces, increase household contacts by 25% and reduce other contacts by 75%. Assume 75% compliance with policy.
alloneword » Tue Apr 14, 2020 11:47 am wrote:Latest UK 'all cause' stats: https://www.ons.gov.uk/file?uri=%2fpeop ... 42020.xlsx
Showing a ~60% increase on 5 yr average overall, but with some oddities...
16,387 total (all cause), 5 yr av of 10,305 = 6,082 'excess'.
Of those, 3,475 'where COVID-19 was mentioned on the death certificate'... leaving 2,607 (43% of the excess) where it wasn't?
[...]We will publish extra articles periodically, giving enhanced information such as age-standardised and age-specific mortality rates for recent time periods, and breakdowns of deaths involving COVID-19 by associated pre-existing health conditions.
I'll keep an eye out for that.
alloneword » Tue Apr 14, 2020 3:53 pm wrote:The UK ONS 'extra articles' mentioned above should appear on Thursday, here: https://www.ons.gov.uk/releases/analysi ... ingcovid19
The overall mortality rate in March 2020 was lower than the five-year average
An emergency ICD-10 code of ‘U07.1 COVID-19, virus identified’ is assigned to a disease diagnosis of COVID-19 confirmed by laboratory testing.
An emergency ICD-10 code of ‘U07.2 COVID-19, virus not identified’ is assigned to a clinical or epidemiological diagnosis of COVID-19 where laboratory confirmation is inconclusive or not available.
Both U07.1 and U07.2 may be used for mortality coding as cause of death
It seems incredible to me that we are not equally as interested in the effects of the lockdown on lives and livelihoods as we are in the actual virus itself. I think we are guilty at the moment of being a bit monomaniacal and focusing only on one thing, and really not focusing enough on the consequences that are coming out of what we have done to face this one thing.
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