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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby chump » Tue Apr 14, 2020 10:58 am



Eisenhower's other warning: The Pharmacuetical Industrial Complex

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President Eisenhower's Farewell Address is primarily remembered for his prescient warning about the power of military industrial complex.

He also warned about the danger of public policy becoming "captive" of a scientific elite which depends on federal funding from HHS, CDC, NIH, etc. This is exactly what has happened with federal vaccine policy.

Eisenhower: "The prospect of domination of the nation's scholars by Federal employment, project allocations, and the power of money is ever present and is gravely to be regarded.

Yet, in holding scientific research and discovery in respect, as we should, we must also be alert to the equal and opposite danger that public policy could itself become the captive of a scientific-technological elite.

It is the task of statesmanship to mold, to balance, and to integrate these and other forces, new and old, within the principles of our democratic system-ever aiming toward the supreme goals of our free society."
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby JackRiddler » Tue Apr 14, 2020 11:57 am

Always fascinating, Eisenhower's confessional speech.

Chlorination treats water to kill bacteria and parasites. It has been done in water systems around the world since the early 20th c. I'm going to guess it's superior to the previous practice, which was to drink your water mixed with whiskey, wine or beer from infancy forward. But maybe you can fish out a study that tells me otherwise.

Fluoridation is a process for turning a profit on industrial pollution dumping, ostensibly as a preventive dental treatment for humans drinking the water. It is practiced in a few industrial countries, whereas the great majority don't do it and yet have seen even more consistent drops in caries incidence over the postwar longterm.

See the difference? One treats the water, the other is supposed to treat you.

I have my doubts about the chicken treatment. It sounds bad. From a selfish perspective, I've also reached a curious point in my life where I seriously have to ask if I haven't avoided land meat for going on a year at least, without even realizing it (except on a few occasions when served meals at other people's homes). And I feel great!

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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby stickdog99 » Tue Apr 14, 2020 2:02 pm

Joe Hillshoist » 14 Apr 2020 09:44 wrote:Not every town does that. Some just use rain water or particular spring or dam sources without further treatment.


Here is the US, all the most "fashionable" water treatment facilities use chloramine and fluoride, both of which slip right past the fashionable plastic water filters our televisions continually advertise.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby stickdog99 » Tue Apr 14, 2020 2:41 pm

JackRiddler » 14 Apr 2020 15:57 wrote:Always fascinating, Eisenhower's confessional speech.

Chlorination treats water to kill bacteria and parasites. It has been done in water systems around the world since the early 20th c. I'm going to guess it's superior to the previous practice, which was to drink your water mixed with whiskey, wine or beer from infancy forward. But maybe you can fish out a study that tells me otherwise.

Fluoridation is a process for turning a profit on industrial pollution dumping, ostensibly as a preventive dental treatment for humans drinking the water. It is practiced in a few industrial countries, whereas the great majority don't do it and yet have seen even more consistent drops in caries incidence over the postwar longterm.

See the difference? One treats the water, the other is supposed to treat you.

I have my doubts about the chicken treatment. It sounds bad. From a selfish perspective, I've also reached a curious point in my life where I seriously have to ask if I haven't avoided land meat for going on a year at least, without even realizing it (except on a few occasions when served meals at other people's homes). And I feel great!

Is this thread sprawling? Unavoidable, I guess.

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I have nothing against chlorination as cheap way to disinfect water, even though there are safer, more expensive ways to do this. But at least with chlorine, all you have to do is leave your water out of two days or filter your water with activated charcoal to remove the 98% of the chlorine.

IMHO, that's why most US water treatment plants (especially in communities in which Brita filters are all the rage) are switching to chloramine instead.

http://www.vce.org/ErinBrockovichChloramination.html

Water utilities across the country are changing the way they treat our drinking water. They’re switching from chlorine, the primary disinfectant used in drinking water systems for over a hundred years, to the alternative disinfectant chloramine at an alarming rate. But are they making a sound, informed decision? What are the health effects? Where are the studies to help us understand the impacts to our health and infrastructure?

The fact of the matter is chloramines are a terrible mistake. While utility companies often use chloramines as a matter of convenience, there are far safer alternatives. As a world-leading nation, we have to stop cutting corners where our health and safety are at stake.

Historically, drinking water disinfection with chlorine has been extremely successful in addressing bacterial and viral contamination. It has virtually wiped out waterborne diseases like typhoid fever, cholera, and dysentery. However, chlorine disinfection may also cause health risks. When chlorine is added to the water, it not only kills bacteria and viruses, but it also reacts with other chemicals dissolved in the water to form new compounds, known as disinfection byproducts. Some of these byproducts, such as trihalomethanes, are thought to cause cancer and pose other long-term health risks.

Chloramine, on the other hand, is a combination of chlorine and ammonia. While chlorine dissipates and evaporates into the air relatively quickly, chloramine is more stable and will last longer in the water system. The goal is to provide increased protection from bacterial contamination. Chloramine also happens to be the cheapest and easiest of the options available to water utilities. Yet even though the use of chloramine is convenient, it may not be safe.

Studies indicate chloramine causes more rapid deterioration of the municipal infrastructure and degradation of valves and fittings. In water systems that still use lead pipes or components, this causes lead and other metals to leach into drinking water and out of faucets and showerheads. The chemicals themselves may not cost much, but we can’t afford their consequences.


On top of all these infrastructure and health problems associated with chloramine use, there is growing evidence that chloramine forms toxic byproducts as it disinfects. This also occurs with the use of chlorine, but recent studies indicate the formation of toxic byproducts in drinking water may be higher when utilities use chloramines. These studies also indicate that chloramine causes more dangerous byproducts than other treatment alternatives, such as ozone or chlorine dioxide.

Disinfection byproducts are created when the compounds used for disinfecting drinking water react with natural organic matter, bromide, or iodide. Research shows that the byproducts are highly toxic to mammalian cells like ours, and they’re known to affect cells’ genetic material, which can cause mutation or cancer. In studies, some of these byproducts, such as iodoacetic acid, have been shown to cause developmental abnormalities in mouse embryos. Other byproducts of chloramine use include the highly toxic human carcinogens hydrazine and N-nitrosodimethylamine (NDMA). Hydrazine is the primary ingredient in rocket fuel and is extremely toxic at very low levels in drinking water. NDMA is also a chemical used in the manufacture of rocket fuels. Both chemicals are a result of the chloramine’s combination of ammonia and chlorine, a potentially deadly cocktail.

Amazingly, it’s not even clear that chloramine’s benefits are worth these risks. Chloramine is 200 times less effective than chlorine in killing e-coli bacteria, rotaviruses, and polio.

How many times do we have to hear water utilities complain that the EPA is making them adopt chloramines? This is not the truth. Time and time again, water utilities shift the blame from themselves and take the easy way out, pointing to some higher authority as responsible.

These utility companies are blaming chloramines adoption on the EPA Stage I and Stage II Disinfectants and Disinfection By-Products Rule (DBPR), which has been actively negotiated since 1992. These rules tighten drinking water regulations, requiring utilities to provide their customers with cleaner, safer drinking water. To support the science behind these regulations, well over $100 million in research has been conducted to better define the risks from microbial pathogens and disinfection byproducts.

The Stage II DBPR and the Long Term Enhanced Surface Water Treatment Rule are the second phase of rules required by Congress. Set to take effect in 2012, these rules strengthen protection against microbial contaminants and aim to reduce dangerous disinfection byproducts. The rule targets water systems with the greatest risk and builds incrementally on existing rules. Under the Stage II DBPR, systems will conduct an evaluation of their distribution systems to identify the locations with high disinfection byproduct concentrations. These locations will then be used as the sampling sites for Stage II DBPR compliance monitoring.

Utility companies are concerned that these new regulations are too expensive. To cut costs, many are choosing to adopt chloramine treatment. It’s the cheapest way of meeting the EPA’s new regulations, but it’s one of the most dangerous ways of getting the job done.

There are several alternatives recommended by the EPA that do not involve adding more chemicals to our drinking water. All of the alternatives involve removing organic contaminants through enhanced coagulation or sedimentation, filtration, or carbon adsorption. Within those three areas of treatment, there are scores of readily available, real-world applicable options. Alternative disinfectants, such as ozone and chlorine dioxide, are better, but they too can cause the formation of other byproducts. All this demonstrates the need to effectively remove the bad stuff in our drinking water rather than trying to merely treat it with chemicals.

Collectively, we can stop the poisoning of our drinking water supplies. Speak up, and tell your water utilities, state officials, and the EPA, “We are informed, we understand the issue, and we do not want you to continue contaminating our water supplies.” Cite the Cincinnati’s experience with granular activated carbon (GAC) as an alternative.

In December 1978, Richard Miller became director of Greater Cincinnati Water Works, home to the EPA Research Center and Office of Administration and Resources Management. Miller spearheaded the creation and implementation of a vision that would provide Water Works customers with the high-quality water they desired at a price they could afford. In 1992, he implemented a post-filtration granular activated carbon process, which essentially vacuumed up the dangerous contaminants in water. Using this process, Miller eliminated the need to sully Cincinnati’s water with chlorine, chloramine, or any other dangerous chemicals.

Eighteen years later, Mr. Miller explains, “It is better to remove contaminants by adsorption with GAC instead of adding chemicals that might have unintended consequences. Science is continually identifying additional chemicals in the drinking water supply, often in minute concentrations. While evidence may be lacking that many may pose no significant threat to public health, removing them as an additional benefit of treatment for other purposes is advantageous.”
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Grizzly » Tue Apr 14, 2020 2:43 pm



I don't know who Kim Iversen is or care it was the title that caught my eye... As this is good info, some of which I have suspected for a while, in that, there are different strains of this virus, certainly some that have mutated, though, I highly suspect many more than three strains. One of which may not even have been released*, yet. The most deadly, to come. Yes, we are in this world now.


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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby liminalOyster » Tue Apr 14, 2020 5:30 pm

I'm right creeped out that this seems to be wickedly viral on the right but the left is pretty much ignoring it, unless I've missed something. Just basing my observations mostly on Twitter ratios for now.....

BTW it's a WaPo piece but, thanks to fortress Bezos who literally wants "democracy to die in darkness" unless you pay him, I'm forced to link to the NR instead.

U.S. Diplomats Warned about Safety Risks in Wuhan Labs Studying Bats Two Years before Coronavirus Outbreak
By TOBIAS HOONHOUT
April 14, 2020 9:25 AM


A scientist works in a lab researching coronavirus antibodies for in Beijing, China, March 30, 2020. (Thomas Peter/Reuters)
U.S. officials warned in January 2018 that the Wuhan Institute of Virology’s work on “SARS-like coronaviruses in bats,” combined with “a serious shortage” of proper safety procedures, could result in human transmission and the possibility of a “future emerging coronavirus outbreak.”

In a series of diplomatic cables, one of which was obtained by The Washington Post’s Josh Rogin, U.S. Embassy officials warned their superiors that the lab, which they had visited several times, posed a serious health risk that warranted U.S. intervention. The officials were concerned enough about their findings to categorize the communications as “Sensitive But Unclassified,” in order to keep them out of the public eye.

“During interactions with scientists at the WIV laboratory, they noted the new lab has a serious shortage of appropriately trained technicians and investigators needed to safely operate this high-containment laboratory,” the cable reads.

“The cable was a warning shot,” one U.S. official told Rogin. “They were begging people to pay attention to what was going on.”

While China has stated the virus emerged from a seafood market in Wuhan, U.S. officials are skeptical of the claim, with National Review detailing how the Wuhan Institute of Virology posted jobs in November and December of last year to show how they had been working on “long-term research on the pathogenic biology of bats carrying important viruses,” which had “confirmed the origin of bats of major new human and livestock infectious diseases” in December.

“The idea that is was just a totally natural occurrence is circumstantial. The evidence it leaked from the lab is circumstantial. Right now, the ledger on the side of it leaking from the lab is packed with bullet points and there’s almost nothing on the other side,” a U.S. official told Rogin.

The Wuhan Institute of Virology is China’s first laboratory to achieve the highest level of international bioresearch safety, known as BSL-4. But its work on bats — led by Shi Zhengli, the Chinese virologist nicknamed “Bat Woman” for her work with that species — is conducted at the lower protection level of BSL-2.

The 2018 cable confirms that Shi — whose team published research in November 2017 revealing that horseshoe bats they had collected from a cave in Yunnan province were very likely from the same bat population that spawned the SARS outbreak of 2002-2003 — was then working on “SARS-like coronaviruses.” Shi’s team was also the first to reveal in February that the new outbreak was a bat-derived coronavirus.

“Most importantly, the researchers also showed that various SARS-like coronaviruses can interact with ACE2, the human receptor identified for SARS-coronavirus. This finding strongly suggests that SARS-like coronaviruses from bats can be transmitted to humans to cause SARS-like diseases,” the cable states. “From a public health perspective, this makes the continued surveillance of SARS-like coronaviruses in bats and study of the animal-human interface critical to future emerging coronavirus outbreak prediction and prevention.”

Multiple reports have detailed how China is blocking U.S. researchers from information about the virus, including live samples of the virus needed to develop a vaccine.

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“They didn’t make the virus available to anyone,” former FDA Commissioner Dr. Scott Gottlieb told National Review editor Rich Lowry. ” . . . They didn’t make the live virus available. The United States eventually got the live virus, but they got it weeks later than they otherwise could have, and that delayed development of diagnostic tests.”

On Monday, Beijing issued a new set of guidelines about Chinese reporting on the origins of the coronavirus outbreak, stating that “academic papers about tracing the origin of the virus must be strictly and tightly managed.”

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/u-s ... -outbreak/
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby identity » Tue Apr 14, 2020 5:53 pm

Was There Foreknowledge of the Plandemic? - Questions For Corbett


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AD0NR_NZlNc

Generous set of links in show notes:

https://www.corbettreport.com/was-there-foreknowledge-of-the-plandemic-questions-for-corbett-059/
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby undead » Tue Apr 14, 2020 10:00 pm

Re: Chlorine and Chloramine

Chlorine has been used for a long time to kill pathogens in water, but that does not mean that it was ever safe to drink. It also kills gut flora. Also, the main reason that they are switching to chloramine is that there are now many pathogens that can resist chlorine, because they evolved to withstand it. It is the same problem as MRSA, Candida auris, super-tuberculosis, etc. Sewage treatment also uses aeration to promote and environment in which the anaerobic pathogens have a harder time living. Instead of using chemicals for sewage and water treatment, we could make the giant aerated pools into hydroponic tanks with plants, and inject large quantities of natural compost for the plants to grow and uptake any heavy metals. Then those plants could go back into a different compost pile for contaminated plants. This way we could switch from dispersing pollution everywhere to sequestering it in a safe way that would let us have some areas on the planet that are not contaminated. The aerobic bacteria and other organisms in natural soil, being fed by the roots of plants, can kill pathogens by competing with them and depriving them of food and oxygen. For more information on how this works, see Dr. Elaine Ingham and the Soil Foodweb School. Dr. Ingham was a major whistleblower who objected to the lack of regulation on the introduction of GMOs and was aggressively blacklisted from academia and scientific literature. She now offers online classes in soil microbiology and compost tea technology.

Chloramine is more effective at killing because it is more bioavailable, meaning that the microorganisms (and the human body) can absorb it more easily. This is not at all acceptable if the role of intestinal flora in the human body is acknowledged. But the role of microorganisms in both soil and in the human intestines is a matter of scientific taboo. We are getting to the point where practically everyone knows it except the people who's job it is to know it, because they are in denial. Everyone is going to know how much they have been fucking up for 100+ years, and especially since the introduction of transgenic crops. Incidentally one way to neutralize chlorine and chloramine is to add concentrated humic acid to the water. I'm not sure how good that would be to drink, but it works for not killing the soil in your garden.

If you already have digestion problems, drinking chloramine can have catastrophic consequences. On farm where I worked I drank water treated with that, and I was shitting out pieces of my intestines in bloody chunks, no exaggeration. It was expensive to bring that episode to an end, requiring me to buy a lot of probiotic supplements and other medicines. In Colorado, it is becoming mainstream to know that all water is undrinkable unless you know for sure where it comes from and what happened to it. Reverse osmosis systems are expensive for individuals, but businesses can afford it - you can buy RO water by the gallon at supermarkets and gas stations there. Ironically, it becomes safer to live in some extremely polluted places because people have adjusted and learned the hard way already. In many other places people think I am some kind of snob to have that attitude, but I just tell them that they will think about it a bit differently when they have a permanently damaged organ like I do.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby undead » Tue Apr 14, 2020 10:20 pm

JackRiddler wrote:Always fascinating, Eisenhower's confessional speech.

Chlorination treats water to kill bacteria and parasites. It has been done in water systems around the world since the early 20th c. I'm going to guess it's superior to the previous practice, which was to drink your water mixed with whiskey, wine or beer from infancy forward. But maybe you can fish out a study that tells me otherwise.


It is irrelevant if chlorination is better than the previous practice. It is still not safe for humans drinking it. It's like capitalism - the thing that came before was much worse, but that doesn't mean that capitalism is acceptable. When capitalism was allowed to go on for such a long time, it became just as bad as the previous state of affairs, and has many new problems that are additional burdens. Same thing with drug resistant pathogens. We are back to the state of not having any disinfection at all, because the pathogens evolved and the chemicals that are strong enough to kill them will also kill us..
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Grizzly » Tue Apr 14, 2020 10:50 pm

MAJOR: Plans to Re-Open – U.S Surgeon General Adams DUMPS GATES ‘Predictive Contagion’ Model
https://www.fort-russ.com/2020/04/major-plans-to-re-open-u-s-surgeon-general-adams-dumps-gates-predictive-contagion-model/

WASHINGTON DC – In a stunning turn of events, Surgeon General Jerome Adams explained in an interview on live XM radio, that the Coronavirus Task Force has, effectively, dumped the Bill Gates/CDC/WHO predictive contagion model, and is now working with the real data.

He explained on the Sirius XM’s Breitbart News Daily host Alex Marlow, that given the new data, businesses will begin to re-open as early as May, others in June.

This runs contrary to the out-and-out fear-mongering of Dr. Fauci and Bill Gates who have made a media tour, threatening the public that businesses may not re-open for six months to a year, or until and unless governments purchase their conveniently patented, big-pharma vaccination.

According to Dr. Adams:

“What the American people need to know now is we actually have data, and so we’re tracking that data,”

Before this about-face, which appears to have come as an order from the Trump administration in consultation with the findings of Dr. Adams, the task force was working with’predictive models’, which had been created by the Bill Gates dominated WHO and CDC. Dr. Fausti’s control over the CDC has been criticized in the past for its for-profit motive in handling a range of illnesses from HIV to H1NI.
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In those inflated, ‘fear-based’ models, the deaths of millions worldwide, and hundreds of thousands in America, were touted. These were used as the basis for what many experts have termed a ‘grossly disproportionate response‘.

Previously, the task force was working with predictive models, frequently criticized because of their tendency to exaggerate the possible effect of the virus on the United States. Models predicting the deaths of millions and hundreds of thousands in America appear to be overblown, as the real-time data is showing the death count much lower.

Adams said that the models usually took data from different cultures and places around the globe, but they were able to track more accurately what could happen in the United States based on real data gathered in places such as California and New York.

“We’re following this data every single day, and we’re giving that data to communities so that they can make informed and intelligent decisions about when and where to reopen,” he said.

A significant indicator for communities being allowed to reopen, Adams said, was actual testing data, not a predictive model.

“I feel confident that some places will start to reopen in May and June. Other places won’t; it will be piece by piece, bit by bit, but will be data-driven,” he said.

Adams praised South Korea and Singapore, which closed their borders early, just like the United States did with travelers from China. But he said there are lessons learned across the board.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby undead » Wed Apr 15, 2020 1:49 am

A little overview of what is about to be sprayed in literally every enclosed industrial space on the planet.

https://www.stoika.com.my/

How Stoika SDst & SDPro Works

Stoika products control bacteria, viruses, fungi and mold which can cause stains, odors or surface damage, through a physical mode of action that neutralizes microbes which come in contact with treated surfaces. The positive ionic charge in the antimicrobial active attracts microbes to the coating's surface and physically ruptures their cell membranes.

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The active ingredient is stabilized with surface tension releasers and other ingredients allowing the product to be applied to almost any surface. The unique chemistry offers an industry leading level of performance for long term efficacy and durability.Where most commercial cleaners are primarily effective only when wet, Stoika products create a durable coating on a surface for extended periods of time. Because the products bond to a treated surface at the molecular level, they are not removed by routine cleaning or disinfecting processes.



The last bit in bold is highly questionable. This thing is going to be sprayed on every surface, including carpets, wood, and all kinds of surfaces that can definitely shed particles into the air. The chemical is advertised to last for 90 days on surfaces - after that, where does it go? It goes into the dust on the surface, to be inhaled, swallowed, eaten, moved around, etc. The chemical is advertised as being approved by the EPA - you now, the EPA that just got completely suspended. The EPA that had all the legitimate people resign when the Republicans wanted to totally disband it, back before the Democrats took the House. Supermarkets will spray this everywhere, and then you will be eating it. If it is non- toxic, why is the person spraying it in the ad wearing PPE? If the permanent chemical coating on the surfaces and particles flaked off particles will rupture the cell walls of microbes, what is stopping it from doing that to your gut flora, or the cells in your body?

A friend just told me the gas station down the street from his studio just had a fumigation team in full PPE come through and spray down their whole quickimart. All the NYC subways and PATH are going to get this treatment, everywhere. If you live in the industrial habitat you are going to be eating and breathing this. How does everyone feel about that? That's what I call a real fucking serious reason to always wear a mask. Not sure what people plan to do about the supermarket food issue. Getting your food directly from a farm never sounded more reasonable.
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Postby 8bitagent » Wed Apr 15, 2020 3:31 am

I follow both the dissident left circles(Jimmy Dore, Chapo Trap House, etc) keep up with the Alex Jones side, peak a bit into the darker social media black pill stuff and keep up with just the general mainstream news. A temperature check, just like the temp check biometric precrime scanners we'll have thru to go to stores during the slow "America re-opens phase".

On one hand, the "paranoid" right believes Covid-19 was a bioweapon leaked at the Wuhan virology lab next to the main wet market. With ties to Bill Gates, who even mainstream news tied him closely with Epstein and the WHO. Epstein was deep into eugenics and "collecting" top world scientists before his...well passing. Even I said during the 2000s that if there was to be forced tracking chips, it wouldnt be from "Bush launching another major terror attack" as many in conspiracy circles believed. I always said itd be Apple launching campaigns and commercials with celebs to sell the tracking chips as "hip and trendy".

Quantom Dot dissolvable micro needles/nano chip implants is certainly one option. AppleGoogle pushing for mass call center youths(who dont have jobs anymore) to join the "Contact Tracer" workforce certainly seems like it will be a boom as we must take the "Bill Gates biometric vaccine" otherwise we may never get back to normal til "2022". Hell, Gates literally said there is no going back to normal. Is this how we get the full on "dystopic" Big Brother control grid and new normal? Wanna travel or go to the store or sports game? Gonna need your AppleGoogleAmazonBillGates vaccine chip! I mean shoot, seeing robot cleaners and police drones in US cities is definitely an alarming visual, as well as governors saying you cant even leave your house to visit a loved one. People jogging and even kids outside all have their masks on in my area. How long til we would be ok with boston dynamic cyber cheetas and android terminators patrolling America under a totalitarian AppleGoogle AI skynet directive? So thats the vibe I get from some within the conspiracy right(not the far right who just prays for race wars and chaos)

Some on the dissident left/right have long said the goal was always a global war with China. That slowly revealing that China is to blame(directly, or literally thru a lab) as the world economy and nation states begin to crumble regardless if its true, is the agenda that will be rolled out. Already reports that theres military activity with Taiwan and China. Gin up "Sinophobia" in America and world to blame China. Turn the population on eachother as well. All it takes is one racist cop in Baltimore, Chicago or Detroit as the existential angst of black youth and allied black block at seeing their parents and grandparents piled to the sky due to a failed and racist health care system.
Mass tornados/hurricane extreme weather systems tearing thru the south/south east/east destroying already impoverished counties. Fried electric grids this summer as the heat makes everyone cranking Air Conditioning 24/7. If Biden "wins", expect the Trump media to call for it a hoax and demand armed people take to the streets. If Trump "wins", expect Michael Moore and even NBC/CNN anchors saying fuck it and demanding people take to the streets. Its...as if everything was built up to this as it was for 911.

As the food supply chain, economy, and entertainment keeping everyone still believing in the American illusion begins to crumble, literally anything is possible. Meat industry is collapsing, produce big agri is next. Hell Vince Mcmahon's XFL experiment died this week, as it did in 2001. The same WWF where Trump honed his wrestling personality. Hell over 10 years we thought the new depression, civil unrest/war and WW3 with China was going to be coming at the tail end during Bush or Obama. Guess it was meant for a cartoon tv game show host's reign.
Didn't Ray Kurzweil make some sort of prediction about super computers taking over and global government by 2020? Even mainstream economists are saying if it gets worse, small to medium and even large companies will collapse and get gobbled up by a few select larger companies. I could even see a merger of the largest of the largest companies in blatant consolidation(AppleGoogle partnership on Covid contact tracing teases at it)

If were in mid April 2020 here where Im at in America, what the hell is America and the world going to look like by this summer...by the November election?
So many in the conspiracy circles just did not want to hear in January, let alone a month ago or weeks ago shit would get this bad. Life is starting to resemble something out of an M Night or zombie/dystopic pandemic movie.
(Not gonna link to all the images of the bodies/mass graves and hazmat military all over New Jersey and NYC they keep showing on the news...but here is just the more rural area of America this week)
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Postby 8bitagent » Wed Apr 15, 2020 3:34 am

Btw, for anyone curious what all out war looks like in the Covid-9/11 2020 era, here is recent footage from Libya. Obama/Biden/Hillary's totally well thought out invasion that quickly gone awry. Now, like Syria, its a complete nightmarish hellscape where the war is worse there than last year. Only now theyre just wearing face masks while they do the genocide. Shits sadly going to play out across the globe.

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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby liminalOyster » Wed Apr 15, 2020 3:46 am

Weird.

Rita Wilson warns agains chloroquine, citing ‘extreme side effects’
While fighting COVID-19, Wilson was put on chloroquine. Now she is warning others against taking the drug.

By Anne Wallace Apr 14, 2020, 10:10pm MDT

Actress Rita Wilson recently discussed her personal journey to recovery after she and her husband, Tom Hanks, were diagnosed with COVID-19 more than a month ago.

In an interview with “CBS This Morning,” Wilson shared her symptoms.


After sharing her symptoms — exhaustion, fevers, chills and loss of taste and smell — Wilson revealed that she was put on chloroquine nine days into her fight with the coronavirus.

But what did she have to say about the infamous drug, most popularly toted by President Donald Trump? Well, Wilson was not a fan.

While Wilson speculated in the interview that the drug may have possibly helped to bring down her fever, she warned that it gave her “extreme side effects,” making her extremely nauseated and weak while also giving her vertigo.

“I think people have to be very considerate about that drug,” Wilson said in the CBS interview. “We don’t really know if it’s helpful in this case.”

And many studies are finding the same, the Hollywood Reporter reports. One Brazilian study of the drug was abruptly ended after a quarter of the participants developed new heart rhythm problems after being given the higher dosage of the drug.

Luckily, both Wilson and Hanks have recovered from coronavirus and the side effects of chloroquine, and now CNN reports they are donating blood in order to help researchers, as the blood of those who have recovered from the disease contains antibodies that can be used to develop vaccines and treatments.

Wilson has also teamed up with the band Naughty By Nature to release a charity remix of their famous hit “Hip Hop Hooray,” NPR reports.

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Brave New Normal
CJ Hopkins Apr 15, 2020

So the War on Populism is finally over. Go ahead, take a wild guess who won.

I’ll give you a hint. It wasn’t the Russians, or the white supremacists, or the gilets jaunes, or Jeremy Corbyn’s Nazi Death Cult, or the misogynist Bernie Bros, or the MAGA-hat terrorists, or any of the other real or fictional “populist” forces that global capitalism has been waging war on for the last four years.

What? You weren’t aware that global capitalism was fighting a War on Populism? That’s OK, most other folks weren’t. It wasn’t officially announced or anything. It was launched in the summer of 2016, just as the War on Terror was ending, as a sequel to the War on Terror, or a variation on the War on Terror, or continuation of the War on Terror, or … whatever, it doesn’t really matter anymore, because now we’re fighting the War on Death, or the War on Minor Cold-like Symptoms, depending on your age and general state of health.

That’s right, folks, once again, global capitalism (a/k/a “the world”) is under attack by an evil enemy. GloboCap just can’t catch a break. From the moment it defeated communism and became a global ideological hegemon, it has been one evil enemy after another.

No sooner had it celebrated winning the Cold War and started ruthlessly restructuring and privatizing everything than it was savagely attacked by “Islamic terrorists,” and so was forced to invade Iraq and Afghanistan, and kill and torture a lot of people, and destabilize the entire Middle East, and illegally surveil everybody, and … well, you remember the War on Terror.

Then, just as the War on Terror seemed to be finally winding down, and the only terrorists left were the “self-radicalized” terrorists (many of whom weren’t even actual terrorists), and it looked like GloboCap was finally going to be able to finish privatizing and debt-enslaving everything and everyone in peace, wouldn’t you know it, we were attacked again, this time by the global conspiracy of Russian-backed, neo-fascist “populists” that caused the Brexit and elected Trump, and tried to elect Corbyn and Bernie Sanders, and loosed the gilets jaunes on France, and who’ve been threatening the “fabric of Western democracy” with dissension-sowing Facebook memes.

Unfortunately, unlike the War on Terror, the War on Populism didn’t go that well. After four years of fighting, GloboCap (a/k/a the neoliberal Resistance) had … OK, they had snuffed both Corbyn and Sanders, but they had totally blown the Russiagate psyop, and so were looking at four more years of Trump, and Lord knows how many of Johnson in the U.K. (which had actually left the European Union), and the gilets jaunes weren’t going away, and, basically, “populism” was still on the rise (if not in reality, in hearts and minds).

And so, just as the War on Populism had replaced (or redefined) the War on Terror, the War on Death has been officially launched to replace (or redefine) the War on Populism … which means (you guessed it), once again, it’s time to roll out another “brave new normal.”

The character of this brave new normal is, at this point, unmistakably clear … so clear that most people cannot see it, because their minds are not prepared to accept it, so they do not recognize it, though they are looking right at it. Like Dolores in the Westworld series, “it doesn’t look like anything” to them. To the rest of us, it looks rather totalitarian.

In the span of approximately 100 days, the entire global capitalist empire has been transformed into a de facto police state. Constitutional rights have been suspended. Most of us are under house arrest. Police are rounding up anyone not cooperating with the new emergency measures. They are pulling riders off of public transportation, arresting people whose papers aren’t in order, harrassing, beating, intimidating, and arbitrarily detaining anyone they decide is “a danger to public health.”

Authorities are openly threatening to forcibly pull people out of their homes and quarantine them. Cops are hunting down runaway grandmothers. They’re raiding services in churches and synagogues. Citizens are being forced to wear ankle monitors. Families out for a walk are being menaced by robots and Orwellian drones.

Counterterrorism troops have been deployed to deal with non-compliant “rule breakers.” Anyone the U.S. authorities deem to have “intentionally spread the coronavirus” can be arrested and charged as a coronavirus terrorist. Artificial intelligence firms are working with governments to implement systems to log and track our contacts and movements. As a recent Foreign Policy article put it:

“The counterterrorism analogy is useful because it shows the direction of travel of pandemic policy. Imagine a new coronavirus patient is detected. Once he or she tests positive, the government could use cell-phone data to trace everyone he or she has been in close proximity to, perhaps focusing on those people who were in contact for more than a few minutes. Your cell-phone signal could then be used to enforce quarantine decisions. Leave your apartment and the authorities will know. Leave your phone behind and they will call you. Run the battery down and a police car will be at your door in a manner of minutes …”

I could go on, but I think you get the picture, or … well, you either do or you don’t.

And that is the really terrifying part of the War on Death and our “brave new normal” … not so much the totalitarianism. (Anyone who’s been paying attention is not terribly shocked by GloboCap’s decision to implement a global police state. The simulation of democracy is all fine and good, until the unwashed masses start to get unruly, and require a reminder of who’s in charge, which is what we are being treated to currently.)

No, the terrifying part is how millions of people immediately switched off their critical faculties, got into line, and started goose-stepping, and parroting hysterical propaganda, and reporting their neighbors to the police for going outside for a walk or jog (and then sadistically shrieked abuse down at them like the Goodbye Jews Girl in Schindler’s List as they were wrestled to the ground and arrested).

They are out there, right now, on the Internet, millions of these well-meaning fascists, patrolling for signs of the slightest deviation from the official coronavirus narrative, bombarding everyone with meaningless graphs, decontextualized death statistics, X-rays of fibrotic lungs, photos of refrigerated morgue trucks, mass graves, and other sensationalistic horrors intended to short-circuit critical thinking and shut down any and all forms of dissent.

Although undeniably cowardly and sickening, this kind of behavior is also not shocking. Sadly, when you terrorize people enough, the majority will regress to their animal instincts. It isn’t a question of ethics, or politics. It is purely a question of self-preservation. When you cancel the normal structure of society and place everyone in a “state of emergency” … well, it’s like what happens in a troop of chimpanzees when the alpha chimp dies or is killed by a challenger. The other chimps run around hooting and grimacing until it’s clear who the new dominant primate is, then they bend over to demonstrate their submission.

Totalitarians understand this. Sadists and cult leaders understand this. When the people you are dominating get unruly, and start questioning your right to dominate them, you need to fabricate a “state of emergency” and make everyone feel very afraid, so that they turn (or return) to you for protection from whatever evil enemy is out there, threatening the cult, or the Fatherland, or whatever. Then, once they’ve returned to the fold, and stopped questioning your right to dominate them, you can introduce a new set of rules that everybody needs to follow to prevent this kind of thing happening again.

This is obviously what is happening at the moment. But what you probably want to know is … why is it happening? And why is it happening at this precise moment?

Lucky for you, I have a theory.

No, it doesn’t involve Bill Gates, Jared Kushner, the WHO, and a global conspiracy of Chinese Jews defiling our precious bodily fluids with their satanic-alien 5G technology. It’s a little less exciting and more abstract than that (although some of those characters are probably part of it … all right, probably not the Chinese Jews, or the Satanic-Alien Illuminati).

See, I try to focus more on systems (like global capitalism) than on individuals. And on models of power rather than the specific people in power at any given time. Looking at things that way, this global lockdown and our brave new normal makes perfect sense. Stay with me now … this gets kind of heady.

What we are experiencing is a further evolution of the post-ideological model of power that came into being when global capitalism became a global-hegemonic system after the collapse of the Soviet Union. In such a global-hegemonic system, ideology is rendered obsolete. The system has no external enemies, and thus no ideological adversaries. The enemies of a global-hegemonic system by definition can only be internal. Every war becomes an insurgency, a rebellion breaking out within the system, as there is no longer any outside.

As there is no longer any outside (and thus no external ideological adversary), the global-hegemonic system dispenses with ideology entirely. Its ideology becomes “normality.” Any challenge to “normality” is henceforth regarded as an “abnormality,” a “deviation from the norm,” and automatically delegitimized. The system does not need to argue with deviations and abnormalities (as it was forced to argue with opposing ideologies in order to legitimize itself). It simply needs to eliminate them. Opposing ideologies become pathologies … existential threats to the health of the system.

In other words, the global-hegemonic system (i.e., global capitalism) becomes a body, the only body, unopposed from without, but attacked from within by a variety of opponents … terrorists, extremists, populists, whoever. These internal opponents attack the global-hegemonic body much like a disease, like a cancer, an infection, or a virus. And the global-hegemonic body reacts like any other body would.

Is this model starting to sound familiar?

I hope so, because that is what is happening right now. The system (i.e., global capitalism, not a bunch of guys in a room hatching a scheme to sell vaccines) is reacting to the last four years of populist revolt in a predictable manner. GloboCap is attacking the virus that has been attacking its hegemonic body. No, not the coronavirus. A much more destructive and multiplicitous virus … resistance to the hegemony of global capitalism and its post-ideological ideology.

If it isn’t already clear to you yet that this coronavirus in no way warrants the totalitarian emergency measures that have been imposed on most of humanity, it will be become clear in the months ahead. Despite the best efforts of the “health authorities” to count virtually anything as “a Covid-19 death,” the numbers are going to tell the tale. The “experts” are already memory-holing, or recalibrating, or contextualizing, their initial apocalyptic projections. The media are toning down the hysteria. The show isn’t totally over yet, but you can feel it gradually coming to an end.

In any event, whenever it happens, days, weeks, or months from now, GloboCap will dial down the totalitarianism, and let us out, so we can go back to work in whatever remains of the global economy … and won’t we all be so very grateful! There will be massive celebrations in the streets, Italian tenors singing on balconies, chorus lines of dancing nurses! The gilets jaunes will call it quits, the Putin-Nazis will stop with the memes, and Americans will elect Joe Biden president!

Or, all right, maybe not that last part, but, the point is, it will be a brave new normal! People will forget all that populism nonsense, and just be grateful for whatever McJobs they can get to be able to pay the interest on their debts, because, hey … global capitalism isn’t so bad compared to living under house arrest!

And, if not, no problem for GloboCap. They’ll just have to lock us down again, and keep locking us down, over and over, indefinitely, until we get our minds right. I mean, it’s not like we’re going to do anything about it … right? Didn’t we just demonstrate that? Sure, we’ll bitch and moan again, but then they’ll whip out those pictures of mass graves and death trucks, and the graphs, and all those scary projections, and the Blockwart-hotlines will start ringing again, and …


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