Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

[undead]

Personally, I have encountered attitudes from family members suggesting that anyone who questions the government narrative on this will be painted as a right wing sociopath who is unconcerned with the health of others. Like the equation of 9/11 critics with Alex Jones type right wingers. That seems to be what the media is pushing. I would encourage protesting except that when it's waving American flags, I am not with it at all. On Easter I went for a walk outside with 2 friends - a protest by all indications of how everyone is reacting. The bar has been set very low for civil disobedience. Before, blocking traffic. Now, standing 5.75 feet from each other, not wearing masks, etc.

[Grizzly]

There was a MASSIVE eruption on the surface of the sun today yesterday. The person that captured it and has this to say, "I captured shots for an hour to watch the jupiter-sized explosion dancing." I also, just read we have a locust swarm in Africa that will obviously leave people starving, a meteor due to fly by at the end of the month, which many are spooked will break up as it goes by toward the sun... Our, or I should say my reality has become one of 'oh, shit ...cognitive dissonance , recalibrate, recalibrate' ...

https://www.reddit.com/r/gifs/comments/g23rri/there_was_a_massive_eruption_on_the_surface_of/

Especially after watching after watching the vid thrulookingglass posted here:

http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?p=686053#p686053

Man, what paradigm shifting times we live in... Certainly beyond 'interesting times' and the transcorp parasites are juicing it for ALL the opportunity, they can wrest... if you ask me. But you didn't...lol

Anyway...

Yeah, I’m with 8bitagent, when he said the following:

"I WISH the white gun nut militias protesting in Michigan WOULD HAVE ALSO protested the Flint Water crisis...also in Michigan. The fact they dont give a shit about poor people/minority(sorry...I mean "POC") folks and the left cant wait to give up their freedom for this bioweapon and narc on people walking their dog...its just so sad. All sides are being polarized and played against eachother

Just as I said when I joined RI in 2007, the agenda was always the end game of WW3 with China, Iran etc....great depression 2.0, and mass civil unrest/civil war in America. Didnt think itd be a virus pandemic, but here we are."

Yes... HERE WE ARE.

Plandemic or opportunists, matter not at this point. I don't know if anyone here has watched any of the vids I've posted by this guy named George Webb who calls himself a journalist, but it's a reality tunnel I have spent some time exploring, and I'm not saying he's right (or left fuck identity politics) I take what I can use and leave the rest, as they say. I find his info does have legitimacy. Though, I suspect he started out as 'alt-right', I certainly don't know that.... Having said that, I think he's a decent human, despite his POSSIBLE stance, of which I'm not even rally sure of.





I can pick up signal through the noise, so to speak...

Maybe others here can too?

Addendum:
I recently listened to Rune-soup, podcast, Episode 8 which had author, Gary Lachman on the – Talking Hermeticism, Colin Wilson, etc. He (Lachman) has a book out entitled: Dark Star Rising: Magick and Power in the Age of Trump, which a trusted friend has written a small bit about over at MOA. Which in turn sent me looking for info on the hall of famer, Lachman. And boy did I find one hell of a contentious interview (which ended amicably enough at parallaxviews podcast, https://parallaxviews.podbean.com/e/ep-19-gary-lachman-on-dark-star-rising-magick-and-power-in-the-age-of-trump/ which kinda of ties all of the above it for me.

[JackRiddler]

Personally, I have encountered attitudes from family members suggesting that anyone who questions the government narrative on this will be painted as a right wing sociopath who is unconcerned with the health of others. Like the equation of 9/11 critics with Alex Jones type right wingers. That seems to be what the media is pushing. I would encourage protesting except that when it's waving American flags, I am not with it at all. On Easter I went for a walk outside with 2 friends - a protest by all indications of how everyone is reacting. The bar has been set very low for civil disobedience. Before, blocking traffic. Now, standing 5.75 feet from each other, not wearing masks, etc.

What can I possibly say in disagreement? This is happening, especially on Internet. While in real life it's still mostly incipient, the hair-raising examples are accumulating.

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[Belligerent Savant]

^^^^^^^^^


So many fearful automatons among us. It's why I avoid the rabble at all costs. Yes, I do walk outside. Yes, I ride my bike. Keeping my distance from the fearful ones, of course (I am also in a region that's more sparse than my prior environs in Queens, where space is more.. limited).*


*realizing my boldness -- for lack of a better word -- is due in part to my relative health and age; all subject to change. Nothing is guaranteed, not even waking up tomorrow. As it is for all of us. We can continue in fear or LIVE as we are: vulnerable yet dynamic humans.

Transporting the below to this thread as well, as it echoes sentiment I share.

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Okay, I'll try one: in a system arranged for the many, not the few, that girl would have been sent home with full pay and free health care if needed and the guarantee she could return to her job when the trouble was over. She would not have been declared an "essential worker." The state would issue funds as needed to cover payroll in the interim.

Everyone in the vulnerable groups would have been asked to take the same option, or otherwise provided with care, income and shelter to quarantine under humane conditions.

As for the rest of us, everyone under 65 or 70, feeling well, and not suffering from one of the preexisting conditions? That's a big question. If our death rate from this virus is far under 0.1%, as appears to be the case -- still up to one in a thousand -- it seems we should have taken every care to avoid contact with the vulnerable while spreading it amongst ourselves until we all passed the contagious phase and had immunity, all the while increasing the hospital resources so that we had a comfortable reserve to handle the outbreak. (Yes, empty hospital beds are a GOOD thing. A smart and humane society will maintain a high surplus of them.)

Maybe someone can argue why that's the wrong approach, and why some form of general "lockdown" was needed, but no one's going to convince me of the uses of the more extreme panic applied (not mostly by the official medical authorities but the extra panic).

These two examples may be pet peeves, but I've been particularly angered by the bullshit (in published material, that is) about how we need 25-foot distancing OUTDOORS because droplets act like second-hand smoke, or how you should treat your house like an active operating room because the virus is as hard to dispose of as spilled glitter, or the plastic industry propaganda about how you should be banned from bringing your own bag to the supermarket. By diverting energy to bullshit fears, these kinds of unhinged claims also kill, I believe.

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[JackRiddler]

MEANWHILE THIS MOTHER FUCKER IS SERIOUSLY TRYING TO SPARK AN OPEN GLOBAL CONFRONTATION WITH CHINA AND THUS THE POSSIBLE PRELUDE TO NUCLEAR WAR IT'S NOT FUNNY.

Hate on the WHO and BIll Gates all you like, I probably agree depending what you say.

But This Mother Fucker didn't say any of that. He only said WHO was too Chinese. That was it. WHO helped China cover up the Wuhan outbreak so that other countries could get it. (We happened to listen to that announcement live in the car, I heard the whole thing.)

And now he's saying China released the virus from its lab on purpose, by accident, whatevers, and I get that this is technically possible, and it's been argued here... but guess what I am certain of? He's not fucking saying it because of information he is privy to as president! He's saying it because of stuff he's seen on FOX. And guess what, on top of that, which you already know? He's actually the fucking president. He doesn't seem to know that, he thinks he's still playing it on TV. And the world's supposed to rotate around this and give him confirmation without blowing up and make sure this idiocy (plus the other idiocy about absolute rule and the ability to dissolve Congress whenever he likes) doesn't turn into an open dictatorship and a global confrontation with China with chance of nuclear war. Everyone please pat the baby until it finds some other object to focus on.

Okay, I'm ready for a 25th. Maybe it's all being arranged for us to say that.

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[Elvis]

Some people seem to be saying that past viral epidemics, Spanish flu, plagues etc, are meaningless in today's context.

A friend visited yesterday, he thinks it's all a hoax, takes no special measures. I reminded him that deadly pandemics do happen, he just shrugged.

Maybe it's overblown (data still seems insufficient), but can it really be just nothing?

[JackRiddler]

Of course it's not nothing!!!

[identity]

Maybe it's overblown (data still seems insufficient), but can it really be just nothing?

It's surely something. A small something (at least in one of the strains), but not nothing.

From upthread:

In a serological pilot study, the German virologist Hendrick Streeck comes to the interim result that the lethality of Covid19 is at 0.37% and the mortality (based on the total population) at 0.06%. These values are about ten times lower than those of the WHO and about five times lower than those of Johns Hopkins University.

A Danish study with 1500 blood donors found that the lethality of Covid19 is only 1.6 per thousand, i.e. more than 20 times lower than originally assumed by the WHO and thus in the range of a strong (pandemic) influenza.

The German Network for Evidence-Based Medicine reports that the lethality of a severe seasonal influenza (flu) such as 2017/2018 is estimated by the German Robert Koch Institute to be 0.4% to 0.5%, and not only 0.1% as previously assumed. This would mean that the lethality of Covid19 could even be lower than that of a strong seasonal influenza, even though it may spread faster.

The British statistics professor David Spiegelhalter shows that the risk of death from Covid19 corresponds roughly to normal mortality and is visibly increased only for the age group between approx. 70 and 80 years).

[JackRiddler]

There's no doubt of 10-12,000 excess deaths in New York City so far. The lethality number (death rate for infected) could still come in at .33% ish or less, that is if the infection rate of the overall population was high enough to mean 3 million already had it. Which, by the way, I totally believe. As a matter of logic, not empirical data. Since the latter has not been generated. Here goes my mantra of the recent days again: antigen tests of large random samplings of the whole population in cross section.

[liminalOyster]

There's no doubt of 10-12,000 excess deaths in New York City so far. The lethality number (death rate for infected) could still come in at .33% ish or less, that is if the infection rate of the overall population was high enough to mean 3 million already had it. Which, by the way, I totally believe. As a matter of logic, not empirical data. Since the latter has not been generated. Here goes my mantra of the recent days again: antigen tests of large random samplings of the whole population in cross section.

Once the - people I know are dying or at risk - phase ends, I'm quite prepared to discuss the horror of the idea of sero-monitoring. Too soon now.

[identity]

There's no doubt of 10-12,000 excess deaths in New York City so far.

I cannot comment on the number of excess deaths in NYC, but if that is indeed the case, could it not at least partially be due to greater vulnerability to the virus as a result of weakened/compromised respiratory systems (due to what many people still living were breathing in there on and following 9/11)?

[Joe Hillshoist]

Youse might be interested in this modelling. Its Australia's at the moment.

The PDF download down the page gives a reasonable outline of what is happening. Its not overly complex.

This is obviously done under assumptions of up to 20% severity rate and a two to five percent mortality rate. It compares current hospitalisation rates to infection rates a fortnight ago and then makes predictions for the next two weeks based on current infection rates. You could probably build a similar model using assumed higher rates of infection and lower mortality if you knew what you were doing. This is based on testing data.

We have a high rate of testing and a low rate of positives and are beginning wider rates of testing randomly in the community.

It doesn't take into account initial infection doses or resultant viral load on severity.

https://www.health.gov.au/resources/pub ... -australia

Right now we are talking about being able to eradicate this virus from the Australian mainland except for isolated community outbreaks that we need to manage.

There is massive potential for surveillance over reach here too. There will be an argument for people to have their "freedom" back if they opt in to potential contract tracing software on their smart phones.

Sounds super.

[Wombaticus Rex]

We are in "AN OPEN GLOBAL CONFRONTATION WITH CHINA" and have been for decades. China figured prominently into the election of Bill Clinton; it was during that administration that "Unrestricted Warfare" was compiled, completed and published.

Chinese businesses are not neutral companies, they are extensions of a military state with military goals. This is a reflection of post-WWI and WWII US foreign policy, which was run by men eager to sell us out for personal gain. Controlling and compromising the US supply chain and economy was one of them, and we're quite far along down that path, as this ongoing disaster has made increasingly clear. This was enabled by our purported leaders, who profited handsomely along the way.

The notion that war is avoidable is a hippie lie, and a dumb one. World peace was a side effect of American military and economic supremacy. As brutal and gruesome as US hegemony has been, especially for those who would oppose it, the future of global resource wars with an expanding population and diminishing resources will be far worse.

Cheers.

[JackRiddler]

There's no doubt of 10-12,000 excess deaths in New York City so far. The lethality number (death rate for infected) could still come in at .33% ish or less, that is if the infection rate of the overall population was high enough to mean 3 million already had it. Which, by the way, I totally believe. As a matter of logic, not empirical data. Since the latter has not been generated. Here goes my mantra of the recent days again: antigen tests of large random samplings of the whole population in cross section.

Once the - people I know are dying or at risk - phase ends, I'm quite prepared to discuss the horror of the idea of sero-monitoring. Too soon now.

I'm not happy with it either. All options have their suck factor. Anyway, yes and good luck to your people.

[PufPuf93]

Business Insider article;

The Trump administration paid a bankrupt company with zero employees $55 million for N95 masks, which it's never manufactured

The Trump administration has awarded a $55 million contract for N95 masks to a bankrupt company with no experience in producing medical supplies.

The Federal Emergency Management Agency told Insider that the company, Panthera, is scheduled to deliver the masks on April 23.

Former Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel told the Washington Post something is "amiss" regarding this order.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/the-t ... r-BB12JwUk

There is a link in the BI/MSN article to Panthera's website.

>>OUR MISSION

Panthera Training provides elite, scenario-based tactical, aviation and intelligence training and instruction for Defense Department, State Department, Federal Agency and Law Enforcement teams who operate in sensitive environments worldwide, to enable those teams to meet their mission goals and requirements.<<

The firm appears to be a security / mercenary training company, nothing about medical.

http://www.pantheratraining.com/

Did an internet search to find out more and this is what I found.

https://www.pantheramedical.com/

>>PANTHERA MEDICAL SANAYI.TR
Driven by Success

Panthera Medical researches, develops, designs and produces high quality medical disposable supplies. With 27+ years of experience, Panthera Medical offers innovative, complementary and economic solutions to the market.

Our founder began to improve infrastructure for the disposable medical supplies production in 1992, it was founded as a family company, with 25 employees, company pioneered in disposable medical products production of any material which has not manufactured in Turkey before. They had managed to be the first manufacturer of disposable medical supplies such as surgical drape, Microscope Drape and Camera Drape in Turkey and one of the few manufacturers in the world. After turned to a LIMITED organization in 2018, because of the other partners not being industrial origin, then increase in disposable medical supplies market was observed and with the thought of infection control will come to the fore, strategies have been created to re-enter the market.

Panthera Medical with 350 m2 closed area, 50 workers and 27 years of experience, had a small but fast entrance into sector. With the rapid increase of domestic sales, exports beginning in 2012 and ongoing increase, the need was felt to increase capacity.

Our human resources, our experience, our perfectionism and our entrepreneurial spirit are the most important assets we have.<<

So Panthera Medical is a company in Turkey that does manufacture medical supplies such as facemasks. There are no names or other specifics at the site.

Back in the GWB years there were pretty stinky business relations between GOP pols and enablers and Turkey.