Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

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https://youtu.be/k1trzdmwR2M?t=1924

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Important Questions Regarding the Current Health Situation (Video)
with Thomas Cowan, M.D. (Author, Vaccines, Autoimmunity, and the Changing Nature of Childhood Illness)

https://bit.ly/2XJ2urZ

And the book he mentions at the beginning of the video:

Virus Mania: How the Medical Industry Continually Invents Epidemics, Making Billion-Dollar Profits At Our Expense
by Torsten Engelbrecht and Claus Köhnlein (2007)

A daily scan through the news gives the impression that the world is constantly invaded by virus epidemics. The latest headlines feature the human papillomavirus (HPV) alleged to cause cervical cancer and the avian flu virus, H5N1. The public is also continually terrorized by reports about SARS, BSE, hepatitis C, AIDS, Ebola, and polio. However, this virus mayhem ignores very basic scientific facts: the existence, the pathogenicity and the deadly effects of these agents have never been proven. The authors of Virus Mania, journalist Torsten Engelbrecht and doctor of internal medicine Claus Köhnlein, show that these alleged contagious agents are, in fact, particles produced by the cells themselves as a consequence of certain stress factors such as drugs, malnutrition, pesticides and heavy metals.

The central aim of this book is to steer the discussion back to a real scientific debate and put medicine back on the path of an impartial analysis of the facts. It will put medical experiments, clinical trials, statistics and government policies under the microscope, revealing that the people charged with protecting our health and safety have deviated from this path. To substantiate these statements, the authors cite dozens of highly renowned scientists and present approximately 1,100 pertinent scientific references.

The topic of this book is of pivotal significance. The pharmaceutical companies and top scientists rake in enormous sums of money by attacking germs and the media boosts its audience ratings and circulations with sensationalized reporting (the coverage of the New York Times and Der Spiegel are specifically analyzed). "The primary purpose of commercially-funded clinical research is to maximize financial return on investment, not health," says John Abramson of Harvard Medical School. Virus Mania will inform you on how such an environment took root-and how to empower yourself for a healthy life.

[DrEvil]

and more health fascism courtesy of micro$oft coming our way: the same team that brought you windoze 10 are now building The Planetary Computer

read about it here: https://blogs.microsoft.com/blog/2020/04/15/a-healthy-society-requires-a-healthy-planet/

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Did you read beyond the headline? The blog post is about biodiversity and the ecosystem, not human health.

[0_0]

I read the whole thing, thanks for asking and nowhere did i say that it was about human health now did i? We're discussing a healthy planet here ok? And Bill Gates and micro$oft are on it!!! The Planetary windoze computer will heal the earth and the NHS will cure diseases from space! #strongtogether #stayathome #savelives

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https://youtu.be/6OL-hqx5LLs
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"This is a Spoof"

[DrEvil]

I read the whole thing, thanks for asking and nowhere did i say that it was about human health now did i? We're discussing a healthy planet here ok? And Bill Gates and micro$oft are on it!!! The Planetary windoze computer will heal the earth and the NHS will cure diseases from space! #strongtogether #stayathome #savelives

I thought we were discussing the coronavirus.

Still doesn't explain how getting better data on the ecosystem and biodiversity has anything to do with "health fascism". How is the two even related? How is cooperating with Esri for better geospatial data on things like tree coverage "health fascism" (Esri is the company that makes Arcgis, which is what people used to make that nifty coronavirus dashboard)?

Gates isn't on the board of Microsoft anymore btw.

[0_0]

In my opinion Dr. Evil (what's in a name), the environment, corona and fascism are related in that the first two are being increasingly used to justify the third. And Bill Gates has a big role in both the pandemic and the environment alarmism the last couple decades. But if we go back almost a century you will find that the nazi's were pioneers in environmental law, big on health on an individual and a society level and also on eradicating perceived viruses.

[DrEvil]

Godwin within two replies. Impressive.

Let me guess:
Greta Thunberg is an NWO puppet, Agenda 21 is a plot to take your land and your guns, carbon taxes are about controlling people and climate scientists are all corrupt motherfuckers faking all their data to keep that sweet, sweet grant money flowing? Sound about right?

[alloneword]

No, no, no, Dr. E... The Nazis are the ones protesting the lockdown - as the accompanying photo helpfully demonstrates:

[DrEvil]

I prefer this one:

[Belligerent Savant]

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I believe this was already included or referenced here before, but worth repeating, directly from the CDC [published in 2017, but you'll notice parallels with this current pandemic]:

Seasonal flu death estimate increases worldwide
Press Release

Embargoed Until: Wednesday, December 13, 2017, 6:30 p.m. ET
Contact: Media Relations
(404) 639-3286

According to new estimates published today, between 291,000 and 646,000 people worldwide die from seasonal influenza-related respiratory illnesses each year, higher than a previous estimate of 250,000 to 500,000 and based on a robust, multinational survey.

The new estimate, from a collaborative study by CDC and global health partners, appears today in The Lancet. The estimate excludes deaths during pandemics.

“These findings remind us of the seriousness of flu and that flu prevention should really be a global priority,” says Joe Bresee, M.D., associate director for global health in CDC’s Influenza Division and a study co-author.

The new estimates use more recent data, taken from a larger and more diverse group of countries than previous estimates. Forty-seven countries contributed to this effort. Researchers calculated annual seasonal influenza-associated respiratory deaths for 33 of those countries (57 percent of the world’s population) that had death records and seasonal influenza surveillance information for a minimum of four years between 1999 and 2015. Statistical modeling with those results was used to generate an estimate of the number of flu-associated respiratory deaths for 185 countries across the world. Data from the other 14 countries were used to validate the estimates of seasonal influenza-associated respiratory death from the statistical models.

Poorest nations, older adults hit hardest by flu

Researchers calculated region-specific estimates and age-specific mortality estimates for people younger than 65 years, people 65-74 years, and people 75 years and older. The greatest flu mortality burden was seen in the world’s poorest regions and among older adults. People age 75 years and older and people living in sub-Saharan African countries experienced the highest rates of flu-associated respiratory deaths. Eastern Mediterranean and Southeast Asian countries had slightly lower but still high rates of flu-associated respiratory deaths.

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CDC works with global partners to improve worldwide capacity for influenza prevention and control. CDC has helped more than 60 countries build surveillance and laboratory capacity to rapidly detect and respond to influenza threats, including viruses with the potential to cause global pandemics. These efforts, along with technical support, has helped some partners generate estimates of influenza-associated deaths, which contributed to this global effort.

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The study authors note that these new estimates are limited to flu-associated respiratory deaths and therefore may underestimate the true global impact of seasonal influenza. Influenza infection can create or exacerbate other health factors which are then listed as the cause of death on death certificates, for example cardiovascular disease, diabetes, or related complications. Additional research to estimate non-respiratory causes of flu-associated deaths are ongoing.

Re: that last bolded bit: it appears the opposite is happening now: Cause of death apparently/reportedly is being increasingly attributed to COVID-19 regardless of/despite other health factors.

https://www.cdc.gov/media/releases/2017 ... imate.html

[Nordic]

Gotta love how the media in the US can divide people ALWAYS on the basis of Trump supporters VS CNN viewers.

So if you think the lockdown is a bit much at this point and should be lifted, you’re automatically a right-wing, mouth-breathing, racist ignorant goon.

Got it.

[Belligerent Savant]

^^^^^

Right. Misdirect and conflate (and if/when necessary - deploy the spooks to infiltrate grassroots and run interference).


[snapshot from Alloneword's hyperlink above]

[undead]

Lockdown is a drag, but consider the benefits - there are so many examples of stupid, unnecessary bullshit that is going to be ended. Shopping malls, tasteless commercial music concerts and sporting events, animal concentration camps and the restaurants that serve up garbage food for inflated prices,excessive fossil fuel consumption - these things should be shut down. Bars should be shut down. Granted that the current implementation is not perfect, but considering that the only available alternative to locking down is to open back up in an insanely stupid way, it seems like the only way out is to redefine what is considered "essential business". Decentralized food and medicine production should be promoted until 50% of the population is working in food production, like it was before chemical agriculture. I have already been more or less voluntarily "locked down" for the last 7 years or so. At this point it is the only decently healthy quality of life you are going to find. One major change I would make is to open natural areas with wide open spaces, like national forests, wilderness areas, places without "facilities". It makes absolutely no sense to close these because they are the safest place people can go to be away from other humans.

My favorite part is that all bars are closed. Good riddance to loud, non-listening, frontal lobe destroying, garbage food serving social environments. And professional sports. Those were the biggest obstacle to a working class revolution in this country. Local politics is the new sports.

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Audio version

Partial transcript:
This is a sharing of observations about the situation. I could say the global situation but I'm not able to observe the global situation, I'm only able to observe a local situation in a small town called Hope. I thought I could use this as a microcosm. I have the Hope Standard  here and this is one of the things that prompted me to want to really go on record about this, because the cognitive dissonance becomes quite intense when I look at what the mainstream media's reporting in my town. This is just a local rag that I've even appeared in, and written a letter for, and anyone can get into the Hope Standard, although probably not currently, and certainly I don't imagine that something I might have to say about the situation would make it in there. It seems to me that, whatever's going on globally, the best but possibly the only way for us as individuals to try and get to grips with it is by taking a blood sample, a holographic fragment of the collective planetary experience, and analyzing that.

We have a pretty rich opportunity for doing that because we are running a local business, a thrift store that my wife and I own and currently we are the only people who run it. We had three staff members and two of them were encouraging us to close so rather than close we reduced our hours and laid off our staff and said we'll take the risks, we'll take the hits, we'll man the ship in this crisis in this storm.

So we've reduced the hours and the days, from seven days a week 9:30 to 5:00 p.m. to 5 days a week 11:00 a.m. to 3:30 p.m. What we've discovered is the profits have not reduced; there was a rocky patch for about a week where it seemed like it was pretty bad but it was still worth staying open. And since that time I'd say our sales have gone back to normal, even if you don't adjust them for the reduced hours, as in we're making the same in a shorter day, more or less on average, as we were with a longer day. To me this suggests that things are evening out; people are adapting to the changed hours and shopping in a more condensed time. Perhaps because all the other shops, including thrift shops, are closed, we're picking up some of the slack, although I don't really notice many new customers. And many of the shops in town are not open, so people who just want to have a shopping experience and interact with people have the opportunity to do so.

At the thrift store they have an unusual opportunity for interacting because we're not imposing any kind of social distancing and I've noticed that customers aren't really observing it either and we could care less frankly. In the supermarkets, I’ve noticed that there's a certain amount of tension between the customers and the checkout people, nothing major but still, it's there. So our thrift store is acting as something of a hub of sanity, though others might say irresponsibility, but so far nobody has, and this is one of the sources of cognitive dissonance for me: how come we're not getting a lot of flack for staying open and for not particularly observing the rules and for not taking the coronavirus seriously?

And we've been able to observe by talking to our customers what the general view is: if we ask a customer first of all: do you know anyone who's got sick. there seems to be a general “No,” with a few qualifications. And then with a little probing, how seriously you take this, or what do you think is going on, it's almost unanimous that our customers believe that this whole thing is exaggerated, if not entirely fabricated, and that something else is going on entirely. Almost all of our customers do not believe the mainstream accounts, the numbers; they do not believe that we're involved in a pandemic. This of course includes people who watch weird videos on YouTube and talk about the New World Order and so on; but it also includes people who are not interested or aware and those things; they're simply not believing it.

Somebody came into the shop yesterday, a young guy, and he mentioned he has family members who are in the medical establishment in Mission, which is near Hope and Vancouver, and he said that they don't understand what's going on when they read the newspapers, the figures and the descriptions and the accounts. They're just really puzzled because their experience working in hospitals is that nothing like this is going on, there's no mad virus attack, everything's ordinary. He didn't give very many details but the specific detail he gave is that they have access to all the numbers because they're within the medical establishment, and the numbers are entirely different from the ones they're reading in the mainstream media. He said they're about half, and obviously that's a very significant fact; apart from anything else, it indicates how naive it is to argue that all these people couldn't possibly be keeping it secret or pretending there is a pandemic, and that you have to trust all these professionals. But if they're not speaking up about it, it's probably because they're too confused and bewildered, that they don't understand what's going on, and they don't want to risk their jobs or to be irresponsible. There's this enormous consensus and essentially they're in a state of confusion and bewilderment, rather than indignation or outrage, which is what would motivate people to speak up, although even there, the fear of consequences might override that outrage.

The Mayor is quoted as saying that some businesses have really cut back their hours in town: “I think it's working well, if you wander the streets as I do to check and read the signs on the doors, many businesses have cut back their hours.” We've also cut down our hours as I said, and one of the ways that's been effective is it concentrates the business because people adapt to our hours. So that essentially means we're busier but for a shorter period. So if the Mayor and his handlers and the whole edifice of social engineering and of controlled demolition of the economy, if this is what it is, were sincere, they would not encourage reducing business hours. Admittedly it does mean there's less people on the street, though even there most people in Hope drive around, so I don't think even that's a good argument. But it's certainly self-evident to anyone who had just thought about it for five seconds that, if you reduce hours, then you're going to concentrate the customers into a smaller time period, therefore there's going to be less social distance, unless you have the rule, like our Baker, which is to only let two people in the store at the same time.

As I said, we don't have any rules like that, and I would say our shop has been if anything more crowded than usual. I joked to one customer today, from the point of view of these social engineers and local wanna-be social engineers, we're like a death hub. We’re the death star of Hope and there should be a heated missile headed our way anytime soon. And that's a big part of my cognitive dissonance: why aren't we being told how irresponsible we are? I suggest it’s because those people don't even believe their own BS belief system, not really; but that may be overly optimistic on my part.