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Dear Mother Earth

Postby Blue » Mon Apr 20, 2020 5:57 pm

Thank you ever so much for hitting the fossil fuel industry in the nuts. I must admit I didn’t expect it to pan out like this. What with mostly our elders and those with underlying sicknesses being the ones to pay the highest price. But maybe it’s a humanity test.

It is unacceptable for medical providers, government leaders and well, any human to “sacrifice” people, ANY group of people in order to save the economy which we all know means the rich.

But You have a way of letting nature take its course. For example I call it evolution in action when hundreds of people defy science and health experts warning about this contagion and how to mitigate it yet they behave the opposite, in fact congregate and take cruises, etc., then die from the disease.

The skies are so blue and clear today.

You have exposed everything that is wrong with the global economic system not just the health insurance system in the US.

Hope you don’t have to get REALLY mad….
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Re: Dear Mother Earth

Postby alloneword » Mon Apr 20, 2020 7:46 pm

Dear 'Blue'

Thank you for your letter.

Just a couple of points that I'd like to clarify with you:

Where you talk of 'The economy', you are actually talking about the lives and livelihoods of countless billions of people - the systems that they have devised for getting access to the food, clean water, shelter and energy (yes, much of it 'fossil fuel' derived) that they are dependent upon for survival. So, erm... to try to put it gently: It doesn't just mean 'the rich'. It also means 'you'.

I hope that doesn't come as too much of a shock to you, should you ever come to turn on the tap and have nothing come out.

The second point is regarding the virulence of the Novel coronavirus that now besets you.

You see - and keep this quiet - looking at the 'science', it doesn't look to be anywhere near as deadly as first supposed - many of your 'scientists' are coming to the conclusion that it's not a lot worse that the other seasonal influenzas I've sent you way. Sorry to disappoint.

But don't despair - I'm fairly sure human stupidity ingenuity can make up the difference. Just keep cowering in your bunkers for a few more weeks or months, so when you finally do emerge, hungry and blinking into a techno-fascist dystopian nightmare of debt-slavery (presided over by 'the rich', who will by then own everything) you can gaze up at the clear, blue sky and congratulate yourself for being such a good citizen - before the fun really starts...

And if, perchance, you don't emerge... well, we'll put that down to evolution.

Regards,

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Re: Dear Mother Earth

Postby norton ash » Mon Apr 20, 2020 8:04 pm

Nice wistful piece, Blue. Sorry that it had to be demeaned by a big, brave know-it-all hero.
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Re: Dear Mother Earth

Postby Blue » Mon Apr 20, 2020 8:09 pm

Haha, that's funny that you think you speak for Mother Earth.

How rich that your lecture to me about how many billions need the Exxon system, in fact can't live without it is the exact opposite of healthy communities.

Why do you take that weird attitude saying "sorry to disappoint." I never said I want people to die. You are saying people are not dying any worse than regular flu which is a fucking fucktard lie. It is extremely contagious, more than regular cold/flu.

Considering this has happened before...1918...when people were ordered to wear masks, they did mostly in some places and it slowed that contagion down. Then they got bored, quit obeying laws and it spiked and killed lots of people.

Why do you have to insult me as a good citizen working with Bill Gates, Big Pharma, Deep State crap because I recognize that this is a viral infection that humans cannot stop. It will run its course.

I hope you don't get the virus and if you do I hope that your immune system is good and you recover fine.
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Re: Dear Mother Earth

Postby Blue » Mon Apr 20, 2020 8:17 pm

norton ash » Mon Apr 20, 2020 6:04 pm wrote:Nice wistful piece, Blue. Sorry that it had to be demeaned by a big, brave know-it-all hero.


Merci beaucoup
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Re: Dear Mother Earth

Postby JackRiddler » Mon Apr 20, 2020 10:52 pm

Blue, without being a mean-meany -- which I often am, but definitely not in this case -- I wish it were true that hitting the hydrocarbon-burning industry in the nuts is the same thing as the end of this industry. It's not.

And I don't deny that I'm fascinated and captivated by this moment. It means a lot of the players go under financially, and that this will set off a meltdown of various debt and equity instruments with a domino effect. Which, fuck the whole lot of the players who will be damaged. Fuck them all. But thus, this also means more preprogrammed capitalist crisis, and suffering for all the misallocated labor, which means humans and their dependents.

The discovered and claimed hydrocarbon reserves and infrastructure will remain, with fewer companies owning them. The fuel will remain cheaper than ever, for a while. This encourages consumption of it once production ramps back up, and discourages investment in alternatives in the short and middle term.

Unfortunately, the way things work has not changed.

The worst people in the world right now are trying to figure out when the price will go back up, and how they can reap hyperprofits from the fluctuations if they time their purchases and sales correctly. Because when a price rises from literal zero the rises are measured in the double and even triple digits.

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Re: Dear Mother Earth

Postby alloneword » Tue Apr 21, 2020 4:47 am

Blue » Tue Apr 21, 2020 12:09 am wrote:You are saying people are not dying any worse than regular flu which is a fucking fucktard lie.


No, it's not a lie.

alloneword » Sun Apr 19, 2020 7:36 pm wrote:And Dr. John Ioannidis on the same Serology Study (Santa Clara):



"Our Santa Clara seroprevalence study is now out. It shows 50-85 times underestimated number of infections, therefore 50-85 times overestimated infection rate fatality. True infection rate fatality is in the ballpark of seasonal influenza."

To read the study, head here: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101 ... cYFxcVmU6w


Is Ioannidis a 'fucking fucktard'? A liar? I don't think so. Nor the other dozens of scientists who have been saying similar things for a while now. You speak of 'defying science' - can you be a bit more specific about exactly which science you're talking about?

And framing the debate on 'lockdown' as being about 'lives' vs. 'economy' is just plain wrong. It's about 'lives' vs. 'lives'.

I fully recognise that many - most - people need to be able to divide the world into 'heroes' and 'villains' to make narrative sense of it. I don't think that in this case that it's particularly useful.
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Re: Dear Mother Earth

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Tue Apr 21, 2020 8:00 am

Speaking of heroes here's a list of dead ones:

https://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/927976


That list specifically claims those dead health care workers have died from COVID19.

There's 550 names, or were this morning, when I counted them. Unless I lost count, cos it was shitloads of names.

So the question this begs is does this happen every flu season?
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Re: Dear Mother Earth

Postby Blue » Tue Apr 21, 2020 10:08 am

JackRiddler » Mon Apr 20, 2020 8:52 pm wrote:Blue, without being a mean-meany -- which I often am, but definitely not in this case -- I wish it were true that hitting the hydrocarbon-burning industry in the nuts is the same thing as the end of this industry. It's not.
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Unfortunately, the way things work has not changed.

The worst people in the world right now are trying to figure out when the price will go back up, and how they can reap hyperprofits from the fluctuations if they time their purchases and sales correctly. Because when a price rises from literal zero the rises are measured in the double and even triple digits.

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Believe it or not I do understand that and am quite aware how many people are out of work who were already on the edge. I guess so many good things are happening in the natural world with the absence of human activity, especially the burning of carbon, I had a moment of optimism about that big evolutionary leap that humankind might make that enables a different outcome than the extinction path we're on.

So many horrible systems have been exposed about the way it all really works; my hope is that it will finally change. Unfortunately I'm seeing so much pushback not only from the right side of the spectrum that continues to do the bidding of the 1%, but from the cherry picking progressive, anti-authoritarian side. Wonder why that is?

I agree with the analysis by Prof Rees in this article I think I posted in the main virus thread:
https://thetyee.ca/Analysis/2020/04/06/ ... h-Society/

We are using nature’s goods and life-support services faster than ecosystems can regenerate. There are simply too many people consuming too much stuff. Even at current global average levels of consumption (about a third of the Canadian average) the human population far exceeds the long-term carrying capacity of Earth. We’d need almost five Earth-like planets to support just the present world population indefinitely at Canadian average material standards. Gaian theory tells us that life continuously creates the conditions necessary for life. Yet humanity has gone rogue, rapidly destroying those conditions.

When will the media call on systems ecologists to explain what’s really going on? If they did, we might learn the following:

That the current pandemic is an inevitable consequence of human populations everywhere expanding into the habitats of other species with which we have had little previous contact (Homosapiens is the most invasive of “invasive species.”)

That the pandemic results from sometimes desperately impoverished people eating bushmeat, the flesh of wild species carrying potentially dangerous pathogens.

That contagious disease is readily propagated because of densification and urbanization — think Wuhan or New York — but particularly (as we may soon see) because of the severe overcrowding of vulnerable people in the burgeoning slums and barrios of the developing world.

That the coronavirus thrives because three billion people still lack basic hand-washing facilities and more than four billion lack adequate sanitation services.

A population ecologist might even dare explain that, even when it comes to human numbers, whatever goes up must come down.

None of this is visible through our current economic lens that assumes a perpetually growing, globalized market economy.

Prevailing myth notwithstanding, nothing in nature can grow forever.

When, under especially favourable conditions any species’ population balloons, it is always deflated by one or several forms of negative feedback — disease, inadequate habitat, self-pollution, food shortages, resource scarcity, conflict over what’s left (war), etc. All of these various countervailing forces are triggered by excess population itself.
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Re: Dear Mother Earth

Postby Harvey » Tue Apr 21, 2020 10:50 am

Blue, you definitely spoke for me.
And while we spoke of many things, fools and kings
This he said to me
"The greatest thing
You'll ever learn
Is just to love
And be loved
In return"


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Re: Dear Mother Earth

Postby thrulookingglass » Tue Apr 21, 2020 12:43 pm

Why are your denizens so f$%#ing stupid?!

Why do I have to repeat myself?! ECONOMIES ARE ARTIFICIAL! They destroy the very substructure to life. The idea that Earth's resources can, should, or are "privatized" is obscene. Disorienting the population's intelligence allows for acts of evil to prevail. They're not the rich, not the wealthy, they are co-conspirators in a criminally and purposely inequitable system.

And this is the end result of a system with extraordinarily fucked up priorities! Least we can still bomb the world to hell in 6-8 minutes should we need to! :wallhead:

The general public has never seen the original in camera edit of the Zapruder film!

The general public has never seen footage of a plane striking the pentagon!

What does that tell you about those two events?!

Fuck off world.
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Re: Dear Mother Earth

Postby stickdog99 » Tue Apr 21, 2020 5:00 pm

I guess I'm weird because I see any fundamental arguments on this thread. The various posts here seem like lyrics to different songs on the same concept album.

That's not to say that some songs aren't better than others, of course.

But I think we can all agree that COVID-19 (and our government's non-response to it, at least in the USA) has wiped some lipstick off the pig.

But, of course, so has Trump, in his own destructive way. Whether seeing the pig more clearly will hurt us or help us is TBD. Let's hope while continuing to do whatever can to respond constructively rather than destructively..
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Re: Dear Mother Earth

Postby 0_0 » Thu Apr 23, 2020 5:30 pm

i'm crossposting this from the India thread

Though the lockdown in India is supposed to end on May 3, experts suggest the country might lose its momentum in the fight against coronavirus if restrictions are not extended further.

In an exclusive interview to India Today, Richard Horton, editor-in-chief of leading health journal “The Lancet”, warned that the minimum lockdown in India has to be 10 weeks, else all the good work achieved during this period will be lost and we would be in a situation far worse.

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India, as of April 23 (8 am), had 21,393 cases with 681 deaths and a recovery rate of 20 per cent. The government is strategically testing people most prone to the virus.

India is under nationwide lockdown since March 25 that was supposed to end on April 14. However, owing to the adverse situation, the government extended the lockdown till May 3, by which time, India would complete 40 days of lockdown.

If Horton’s suggestion of a 10-week lockdown is considered, India would open up only in the first week of June. “I understand you have to resume economic activity but please don’t rush this... if you rush lifting the lockdown and if you have the second wave (of disease), it will be even worse than the first,” he had said.


https://www.indiatoday.in/diu/story/how ... 2020-04-23 genocidal advice from editor-in-chief of leading health journal “The Lancet”, i bolded the most inane parts

Coronavirus has killed only around 700 Indians till now, a small number still compared to the 450,000 TB and 10,000-odd malaria deaths recorded every year.

Yet, panic has brought this nation of 1.3 billion to a virtual standstill in the wake of the global pandemic. This abrupt and total freezing of social and economic activity across the country has rudely uprooted at least 40 million lives. So much so that over 200 people had reportedly died already by April 13 trying to return home, awaiting food, or attempting to get to a hospital amidst the national lockdown.

There is only one word that describes the cause of these casualties: apathy.

As India completes a month under lockdown, it is unlikely that these deaths, unrelated to coronavirus as they are, will make it to public consciousness or the government’s consideration.

Quartz India, thus, attempts to briefly record at least a few of the lost lives behind those raw statistics.

Ranveer Singh, 39
A son, brother, husband, and father of three, Singh was among the millions of migrant workers oiling the lives of middle-class Delhi. Three years ago, when he found a job at a restaurant in the city, it did not upgrade his life dramatically. But it did earn him more than his meagre farm income back home in Morena in central India’s Madhya Pradesh state.

However, even that didn’t last.

As India shut down on March 25, his employer shut shop, making living in the big city simply unaffordable for him. Singh decided he’d be better off with his family in Morena.

On March 26, around 3am, he, along with several other migrant workers like him, began walking back home, some 325 kilometres southwards. Along the way, they battled intermittent rain, hunger, thirst, and the summer heat. Indian highways aren’t known for washroom facilities either. Sometimes Singh would get lucky and find a vehicle to hitchhike on, The Times of India newspaper reported.

Even then, he took two days to reach Agra, 200 km and usually a two-hour bus journey away from Delhi.

In Agra, Singh paused for rest on March 28, with roughly 80km more to go. He sat down before a local hardware store, fatigue getting the better of him. The store owner offered him some tea and biscuits and a small carpet to lie down on. But that hardly helped. “Lene aa sakte ho toh aa jaao (come and get me if you can),” he told his brother-in-law over a 42-second call, according to The Indian Express newspaper.

Shortly after, he suffered a cardiac arrest. Singh hadn’t contracted coronavirus. He died merely trying to reach his family in Morena.

Rakesh Musahar, 8
Millions of Indians, especially the poorest of them, depend on India’s leaky public distribution system for rice and wheat.

In Bihar, a mere 60km from the state’s capital Patna, one family of five didn’t have access to even that. Rakesh Musahar’s earnings as a ragpicker and his father Durga Prasad’s income as a porter—together a measly Rs250 ($3) a day—just about staved off hunger, according to The Wire. The lockdown wiped out even that bit.

When the little boy took ill on March 26, his parents had to knock on neighbours’ doors for funds to buy medicines. His last meal was probably on the night of March 24. “After that, we did not have any food cooked at our home. We would have surely cooked something if we had any ration,” Rakesh’s mother, Sonamati Devi, told The Wire.

On March 26, the young, overworked, and emaciated boy reportedly died of hunger.

No autopsy was done on the body and it was a challenge to even reach the crematorium. The local administration couldn’t care less.

Bala Subramani Logesh, 23
Indian students often travel miles across the sea to study. Most, however, can only afford marginally better off regions within the country. Logesh was one such from the southern state of Tamil Nadu.

A native of a small town called Namakkal, Logesh was attending college in Wardha, some 1,300 kilometres to the north in the state of Maharashtra. He lived in a small accommodation with other migrant students and workers from Tamil Nadu.

When the lockdown began, Logesh and his roommates decided to wait it out. “However, five days later, things did not improve for us,” Rahul Dravid, an acquaintance of Logesh’s, later told The News Minute.

On March 29, they decided to walk back home instead of starving. In three days, they covered 500 kilometres, stopping along the way at shelters and helped by volunteers. Sometimes, trucks gave them a lift, at other times the police.

On April 1, they reached a government shelter in Secunderabad, Telangana. Home was still 800km away, but he could take no more. Logesh collapsed in a dining hall after having food, according to The Times of India newspaper. A medical examination said he’d suffered a cardiac arrest. His companions said Logesh had no illnesses or underlying medical conditions.

His body arrived at his Namakkal home two days later. His companions reached theirs on April 4.

Some journeys do change lives.

Jamlo Makdam, 12
At 12, Indian children are usually in the last year of middle-school. The whole wave of high-school drama and teenage hormones is yet to come. But an alternate reality awaits the millions sucked into the labour force instead.

Makdam belonged to the latter group.


She had been working on a chilli field in Kannaiguda village in Telangana for the past two months, according to The Indian Express newspaper. She had already braved three weeks of the lockdown, which was initially supposed to end on April 14. But when prime minister Narendra Modi announced an extension till May 3, she was left with no other option.

Living on the margins of society, her community, the Makdams, has little or no access to proper healthcare or education. The only child of her parents Andoram and Sukamati, she had joined some women and other children from her village for seasonal work.

In India, children under the age of 15 are not allowed to work. But her group had at least three other children.

Their trek back involved crossing hills and forests, under the oppressive 40 degrees celsius heat. On April 18, Makdam died, collapsing due to a possible electrolyte imbalance just 30 kilometres from her home.

In all likelihood, she was already malnourished. It hardly matters anymore.


https://qz.com/india/1842558/a-few-peop ... -lockdown/
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