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Re: Medication time.

Postby Sounder » Fri May 08, 2020 10:53 am

BuzzFeed 'taking down' Dr. Judy Mikovitz.

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"The Plandemic," a video made to look like a professional news interview but in reality peddling long-debunked falsehoods about the coronavirus has spread widely on social media since May 4. The video features a woman, Judy Mikovits, who claims to have worked with Dr. Anthony Fauci, the immunologist at the helm of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases.
“Now, as the fate of nations hang in the balance, Dr. Mikovits is naming names of those behind the plague of corruption that places all human life in danger,” says the narrator of the 30-minute video, in which Mikovits falsely claims that masks can make wearers sick, that sand from the beach can build up coronavirus immunity, and that as-yet-uninvented vaccines for the virus that has killed at least 75,000 people in the US are dangerous.


So the 'long debunked falsehoods' that get cited involve, 'claims that masks can make wearers sick, that sand from the beach can build up coronavirus immunity, and that as-yet-uninvented vaccines for the virus that has killed at least 75,000 people in the US are dangerous'.

They won't touch the damning assertions, but yeah, a case can be made that wearing a mask can increase viral load and make people sick. It can be argued but is of course not a 'long debunked falsehood'. The sand from the beach bit is trivial and not a 'long debunked falsehood'. The third bit is twisted beyond recognition so as to not mention her assertion that the flu shots given in Italy last year were contaminated.
All these things will continue as long as coercion remains a central element of our mentality.
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Re: Medication time.

Postby DrEvil » Fri May 08, 2020 11:17 am

Any chance you could link to the original and not some dodgy no-name blog?
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Re: Medication time.

Postby Iamwhomiam » Fri May 08, 2020 11:36 am

JackRiddler wrote:
Sounder » Sat Nov 10, 2018 5:52 am wrote:The immune system is a wonderful thing and it's supremely absurd to think that by inflaming that system, a service is being rendered and that the perceived benefits will outweigh auto-immune issues created by injecting ourselves with intentional poisons.


Western medicine has lost sight of how the interaction of the humours produces yellow bile as a natural product. A pill or diet blocks the body from sweating it out in edible form, and this also prevents the sublime interaction of the humors from reachieving balance. Worse, it solidifies excessive bile into a tumorous form, so that it eventually overloads the system. In a few cases where the body cannot serve its own removal of excess, moderate bleeding remains time-honored and, assuming no outside contaminants, effective. Yet this is exactly what the doctors want to outlaw.

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However, Jack, if you followed the research you'd learn that such tumorous bile often is ejected orally, perhaps more often than through the fingertips.

Sounder, thank you so much for sharing the astounding video of Dr. Mikovics. I finally understand why Trump is our President.
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Re: Medication time.

Postby Sounder » Fri May 08, 2020 3:12 pm

Nothing on content, what a surprise. Bill Gates, bad man, but what his money supports, that's all good.
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Re: Medication time.

Postby Sounder » Fri May 08, 2020 3:13 pm

Nothing on content, what a surprise. Bill Gates, bad man, but what his money supports, that's all good.
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Re: Medication time.

Postby Sounder » Fri May 08, 2020 3:14 pm

Nothing on content, what a surprise. Bill Gates, bad man, but what his money supports, that's all good.
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Re: Medication time.

Postby DrEvil » Fri May 08, 2020 4:14 pm

Or, you could be in favor of vaccines but not support the way Gates does it. I guess that's not black and white enough for you to grasp.

I found a partial transcript of Plandemic ( https://medium.com/@good_scribe/readabl ... ffdd72f5ab ), and honestly, reading through it she sounds like a slightly deranged person with an axe to grind. Either she's lying or everyone else is lying.

She says some completely idiotic things, like hydroxychloroquine being great when there's hardly any peer reviewed science on how it works with Covid-19, and not a word about the potentially severe side effects.

Or how the ocean has "healing microbes" and the sand has "sequences", whatever that's supposed to mean.

It's a mix of plausible sounding things mixed in with completely off the wall nonsense. At least her book sales should be up.
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Re: Medication time.

Postby Sounder » Fri May 08, 2020 4:39 pm

Or, you could be in favor of vaccines but not support the way Gates does it. I guess that's not black and white enough for you to grasp.


Actually you can be in favor of vaccines but not support the current system that has no liability for bad product and therefor poor incentive to make a safe product. Gates just knows easy money when he sees it. No advertising needed and a very large 'client' base. Hmmmm, ring a bell?

I do agree that Dr. Mikovitz is pushing some curious notions and making hay while she can.

One salient point is her reference to a rule change around 1980 that allowed govt. researchers to patent items they were working on, (with taxpayer money). Of course this introduced new levels of corruption and if this COVID is the fallout things could get much worse. Wounded dogs and all.
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Re: Medication time.

Postby Belligerent Savant » Fri May 08, 2020 6:17 pm

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DrEvil » Fri May 08, 2020 3:14 pm wrote:I found a partial transcript of Plandemic ( https://medium.com/@good_scribe/readabl ... ffdd72f5ab ), and honestly, reading through it she sounds like a slightly deranged person with an axe to grind. Either she's lying or everyone else is lying.

She says some completely idiotic things, like hydroxychloroquine being great when there's hardly any peer reviewed science on how it works with Covid-19, and not a word about the potentially severe side effects.

Or how the ocean has "healing microbes" and the sand has "sequences", whatever that's supposed to mean.

It's a mix of plausible sounding things mixed in with completely off the wall nonsense. At least her book sales should be up.


Haven't read through the entire transcript yet, but the following excerpt sounds sober to me:

News Anchor: Perhaps on one expressed the anguish of AIDS better than New York writer Larry Kramer.

Protesters: “Act up! Fight back! Fight Aids!”

News Anchor: But he was even more angry at the federal government and the pharmaceutical industry. One person who felt Kramer’s fury was NIH doctor Anthony Fauci.

Dr. Mikovits: He called Tony Fauci the Bernie Madoff of science. It’s still been crushing to me to think that I didn’t know my work in 1999 was something that had been avoided from ’83 and ’82, when the virus was isolated. The virus didn’t have to wait until ’84 to be confirmed.

Think of how many people — the entire continent of Africa lost a generation as that virus was spread through because of the arrogance of a group of people. And it includes Robert Redfield, who’s now the head of the CDC, right along with Tony Fauci. They were working together to take credit and make money. And they had the patents on it and tailored them to IL-2 therapy, which was absolutely the wrong therapy. And had that not happened, millions wouldn’t have died from HIV.

Interviewer: How can a man who’s giving — any person who’s giving global advice for health own a patent in the solution of the vaccine? Isn’t that a conflict of interest, or shouldn’t it be?

Dr. Mikovits: It is a conflict of interest. And in fact, this is one of the things that I’ve been saying and would like to say to President Trump. Repeal the Bayh-Dole Act.

Dr. Lemley: Bayh-Dole fundamentally changed the way universities approach technology transfer, and you can see that best in the statistics. Universities obtain 16 times as many patents today as they did in 1980.

Now, everybody’s getting more patents, but still, universities’ share of all patents in the United States is more than five times greater than it was before Bayh-Dole. The situation has gotten so bad that one information technology industry official has publicly referred to universities as, quote, crack addicts, unquote, driving by, quote, small-minded tech transfer offices addicted to patent royalties.

Dr. Mikovits: That act gave government workers the right to patent their discoveries, so to claim intellectual property for discoveries that the tax payer paid for. Ever since that happened in the early ’80s, it destroyed science. And this allowed the development of those conflicts of interest.

And this is the crime behind letting somebody like Bill Gates with billions of dollars — nobody elected him. He has no medical background. He was no expertise. But we let people like that have a voice in this country while we destroy the lives of millions of people.

Bill Gates: Normalcy only returns when we’ve largely vaccinated the entire global population.

Interviewer: If we activate mandatory vaccines globally, I imagine these people stand to make hundreds of billions of dollars, that own the vaccines.

Dr. Mikovits: And they’ll kill millions, as they already have with their vaccines. There is no vaccine currently on the schedule for any RNA virus that works.

Interviewer: So, I have to ask you. Are you anti-vaccine?

Dr. Mikovits: Oh, absolutely not. In fact, vaccine is immune therapy, just like interferon alpha’s immune therapy. So, I’m not anti-vaccine. My job is to develop immune therapies. That’s what vaccines are.


Interviewer: Do you believe that this virus was created in a laboratory?

Dr. Mikovits: I wouldn’t use the word “created,” but you can’t say “naturally occurring” if it was by way of the laboratory. So, it’s very clear this virus was manipulated. This family of viruses was manipulated and studied in a laboratory, where the animals were taken into the laboratory. And this is what was released, whether deliberate or not. That cannot be naturally occurring.

Somebody didn’t go to a market, get a bat. The virus didn’t jump directly to humans. That’s not how it works. That’s accelerated viral evolution. If it was a natural occurrence, it would take up to 800 years to occur. This occurred from SARS1 within a decade. That’s not naturally occurring.



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Re: Medication time.

Postby Sounder » Thu May 14, 2020 8:37 am

http://www.hideoutnow.com/2020/05/niall ... en-eu.html


Niall McCrae and David Kurten: EU Numbers Show Correlation Between Flu Vaccine and Coronavirus Deaths

The death toll from the coronavirus pandemic shows startling variation, some countries having rates of less than ten per million, while western Europe and the USA are in the hundreds. Among the likely reasons are ecological (high population density and urbanisation), demographic (ageing and multicultural societies) and clinical (obesity and chronic disease such as diabetes mellitus). Also, there are significant differences in diagnostic practice and recording.

However, a factor that hasn’t been considered is the flu vaccine, which is widely administered to the elderly. Some correlation with Covid-19 mortality, although not necessarily causal, is readily apparent. The medical establishment tends to cast any critic of vaccination as an extremist, but we are not ‘anti-vaxxers’. We present our case tentatively, and leave it to readers to decide whether this is a reasonable line of enquiry.

Influenza is a contagion that strikes every winter, with symptoms of headache, fever, chill, sore throat, muscle aches, fatigue, nasal congestion and cough. Severe cases lead to pneumonia, a common cause of death in the elderly. The first vaccine against influenza was produced by Ernest Williams Goodpasture at Vanderbilt University in 1931, and vaccination became widely available after the Second World War.

Flu vaccination had its first major contest with the Asian flu pandemic of 1957-1958, which killed two million worldwide. Although the vaccine failed to protect, the high mortality was attributed to insufficient coverage: the pharmaceutical industry thus turned defeat into victory. In 1960 routine flu vaccination was recommended by the US Centers for Disease Control. Since then, pandemics have been regularly exploited by the pro-vaccine lobby, which has a hold on the medical establishment, to demand wider use of the flu shot.

A challenge for flu vaccine producers is the volatility of the virus, which mutates rapidly. A new vaccine is needed every autumn, based on guessing which strains will emerge. In practice, the preventive performance is poor. A review in 2014 by the Cochrane Collaboration, an international body for evidence-based medicine, revealed that the vaccines reduced incidence of influenza by a mere 6%. Tom Jefferson, one of the authors, has described evidence for flu vaccination as ‘rubbish’.
Jefferson was also involved in a controversy over Tamiflu. This drug was stockpiled by governments, after a Cochrane review showing that it reduced complications of influenza. When it transpired that most of the studies were sponsored by the manufacturer, Jefferson sought the original data but Roche refused. A subsequent Cochrane review did not replicate the impressive findings, and much public money was wasted on a highly profitable but ineffectual treatment. Needing to be seen to do something, governments are not helped by guidance that should be scientifically objective but is prone to commercial influence.

With heavy marketing and medical hubris, uptake of the flu jab increased, particularly in the vulnerable elderly population. In 2009, health ministers across the EU agreed to a target of vaccinating 75% of older people against influenza. However, ten years later, no country had achieved this, the average being 44.3%.

Recent developments in flu vaccines may be relevant. In October 2019 the UK was the first country in Europe to introduce Flucelvax Tetra, which was touted as 36% more effective. Until then, flu vaccines were always produced in hens’ eggs, which are a good incubator for the virus. For the UK alone, around 50 million eggs were needed for the annual vaccine supply. The new vaccine, however, is created in vats of cells from dogs’ kidneys, which are more similar to ours than those of chickens.
Covid-19 is a coronavirus, thus not covered by flu vaccines. It has been suggested, though, that the flu jab may lower immunity to other upper respiratory tract infections. In the BMJ, paediatrician Alan Cunningham wrote: –

Such an observation may seem counter-intuitive, but it is possible that influenza vaccines alter our immune systems non-specifically to increase susceptibility to other infections; this has been observed with DTP and other vaccines.”

Compare flu vaccine frequency in older people with Covid-19 mortality, using figures from Vaccines Today EU and Worldometer (13 May 2020):
Among countries omitted in the EU data was Belgium, which has the highest Covid-19 mortality rate in the world, at 763 per million. While specific data for older people were not available on the official Belgian statistics website, flu vaccination coverage of the overall population is relatively high. Overall, a clear difference is apparent between east and west Europe, both in vaccine uptake and Covid-19 deaths. This may be merely coincidental, but it warrants investigation.

Outside Europe, the pattern does not hold so clearly, but there may be good reasons for the exceptions. Globally the highest uptake of the flu vaccine by seniors in 2018-2019 was in South Korea, at 83%. Third (after the UK) was the USA with 68%, and fourth was New Zealand with 67%. Neither New Zealand nor South Korea fit the hypothesis, these countries having a mortality of merely 4 and 5 per million respectively. South Korea, Hong Kong, Taiwan and South Korea managed Covid-19 extremely well, despite their large populations and proximity to the source in China. Their efficient use of tracking and tracing was perhaps facilitated by cultural as well as technological advantages.

New Zealand’s low mortality is due to its geographical isolation and rapid barring of entry to foreigners (Iceland was able to achieve similar containment). In continental Europe, as in North America, the virus quickly became endemic. Lockdown was like shutting the stable door after the horse had bolted.

Despite some contrary cases, it is interesting that the countries with highest death rates (Belgium, Spain, Italy, UK, France, Netherlands, Sweden, Ireland and USA) had all vaccinated at least half of their elderly population against flu. Denmark and Germany, with lower use of the flu vaccine, have considerably lower Covid-19 mortality. These patterns override interventions to curtail Covid-19: Sweden and Ireland have similar mortality but the former remained open for business while the other imposed strict lockdown.

A simple test shows a statistically significant correlation of 0.7 (the maximum is 1). Of course, correlation is not causation, and the disproportionately high Covid-19 death tolls could be explained by other factors. However, the variation is likely to be multifactorial, and the flu vaccine should be considered in broader post-mortem investigation of this pandemic.

Vaccines may cause new resistant strains of viruses to develop, through natural selection. As reported in BMC Medicine by Alehouse and Scarpino, whooping cough outbreaks have infected vaccinated as well as unvaccinated people. Mandating of the chickenpox vaccine in the USA appears to have weakened the immunity gained from the naturally-acquired disease; a review by Goldman and King in Vaccine journal showed increasing incidence of shingles. Studies (e.g. Skowronski et al, 2010) indicated that people receiving the flu vaccine in one year were more likely to contract the H1N1 strain in the following year.

A Pentagon study of military personnel by Greg Wolff showed an odds ratio for coronaviruses of 1.36 in a group vaccinated against influenza compared with an unvaccinated group. Similar findings were reported in studies of flu vaccines in children in the USA, Hong Kong and Australia. More research is needed on the risk of coronavirus in older people. However, vaccines have become sacred cows and an unholy alliance between Big Pharma, regulators and the medical orthodoxy is inclined to dismiss the question rather than help to answer it.

An ideal means to assess the putative flu vaccine / Covid-19 relationship is the health records of the National Health Service, which covers the whole British population. A major study of NHS records by Ben Goldacre and colleagues showed clear demographic risk factors in Covid-19 mortality. Perhaps his team could also measure whether vaccinated older people had a higher or lower risk of dying from the coronavirus: they have the data.

In 2018 leading medical scientist Peter Gøtzsche was fired by the Cochrane Collaboration after he exposed bias in a review of the vaccine for human papilloma virus, which understated adverse effects. Just as we should be wary of anti-vaccine fundamentalists, Gøtzsche warns that ‘we cannot trust our drug regulators, which allow far too many dangerous drugs on to the market and are very slow to take them off again when the evidence for their lethal effects accumulates’.

Gøtzsche was accused of endangering millions of women by deterring vaccine uptake. In a similarly denouncing tone, British health secretary Matt Hancock stated: –

Those who campaign against vaccination are campaigning against science. The science is settled…Those who have promoted the anti-vaccination myth are morally reprehensible, deeply irresponsible and have blood on their hands.”

These words do not represent a scientific attitude at all. Science is rarely ‘settled’ (the same westernization of language is used by climate change alarmists), certainly not in an area as complex as immunology. Consider the modelling by Neil Ferguson at Imperial College, which predicted that Sweden would have over 40 thousand deaths by the beginning of May, if it continued to refrain from a lockdown: the actual figure was fewer than three thousand.
The true scientific attitude is scepticism, and that is how group-think and assumptions are challenged. It is also how medical scandals such as thalidomide are exposed. Co-author NM recently had publication of a commentary on Covid-19 refused because it didn’t concord with WHO guidelines, yet the WHO is hardly a pillar of truth, having failed to warn the world of the severity of Covid-19 in concert with the Chinese Communist Party. We should not allow institutions to thwart valid enquiry, however financially or politically powerful they may be.
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Re: Medication time.

Postby Iamwhomiam » Thu May 14, 2020 2:10 pm

Science is rarely ‘settled’ (the same westernization of language is used by climate change alarmists), certainly not in an area as complex as immunology.


Science is always "Settled" by consensus of experimental results and observance, until some new science through the same process displaces it. This consensus is exactly what approves all vaccines before their release.
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Re: Medication time.

Postby Sounder » Fri May 15, 2020 5:59 am

From article...
Science is rarely ‘settled’ (the same westernization of language is used by climate change alarmists), certainly not in an area as complex as immunology.


Iam wrote....
Science is always "Settled" by consensus of experimental results and observance, until some new science through the same process displaces it. This consensus is exactly what approves all vaccines before their release.


There is, what Kuhn called 'normal science'. Where work is generally done within the framework of accepted parameters. This is well and good and provides many potential improvements for the human condition. But the new science that will displace it has a different process, in that to succeed, it breaks the existing consensus.

The current 'consensus' was bought with 100's of millions of Rockefeller dollars. So sure, the 'consensus', in the form of an industry captured FDA, approves all vaccines. But, correct me if I'm wrong, I don't think that anyone is willing to assert that this represents, 'good science'.
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Postby DrEvil » Fri May 15, 2020 5:14 pm

^^Most vaccines never make it to market. It takes years of testing and reviews to jump through all the hoops required to get one approved.
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Postby Joe Hillshoist » Fri May 15, 2020 9:24 pm

The simple way to test the idea that flu vaccines are more than correlated with SARS2 is to find out if there is a relationship between death rates in vaccinated people v non vaccinated people. If there is no real difference then it has no effect, if there is a difference one way or another it will stand out.
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Re: Medication time.

Postby Iamwhomiam » Sat May 16, 2020 10:29 am

Sounder » Fri May 15, 2020 5:59 am wrote:
From article...
Science is rarely ‘settled’ (the same westernization of language is used by climate change alarmists), certainly not in an area as complex as immunology.


Iam wrote....
Science is always "Settled" by consensus of experimental results and observance, until some new science through the same process displaces it. This consensus is exactly what approves all vaccines before their release.


There is, what Kuhn called 'normal science'. Where work is generally done within the framework of accepted parameters. This is well and good and provides many potential improvements for the human condition. But the new science that will displace it has a different process, in that to succeed, it breaks the existing consensus.

The current 'consensus' was bought with 100's of millions of Rockefeller dollars. So sure, the 'consensus', in the form of an industry captured FDA, approves all vaccines. But, correct me if I'm wrong, I don't think that anyone is willing to assert that this represents, 'good science'.


Sounder, all advances in science break the then existing consensus established standard. And it's not a matter of "good" science or "bad" science; all science is based upon determinative consensus when applying the scientific method.

Kuhn's 'new science' does not exist; it is fantasy, its method following a different process remains unexplained and undefined. That does not mean Kuhn's 'new science' never will, though. I wonder, what could replace the several steps we now go through?
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