Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Harvey » Thu Jul 16, 2020 7:00 pm

Liminal, just in case you're responding to me above, I don't think you are, I have reason to think you're not, but it's possible, anyway, my post above was just a nagging thought that's been nagging me a lot more lately. If you were responding to me, then you would suspect I was responding to your recent posts. Honestly wasn't if that stretch is indeed the case. I confess I didn't read the thread till after I had already dropped my thoughts like little parcels of dung. That is where the mushrooms grow after all. As I say, any resemblance to coherent order or inscrutable method is purely and simply accidental.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Harvey » Thu Jul 16, 2020 7:44 pm

liminalOyster » Wed Jul 15, 2020 11:40 pm wrote:Man this is a mega-fucking-bummer of a thing to read as I sit waiting for my fucking test results. Though I'm feeling better than I was a few days ago and thinking it's possible I had something foodborne, but am happy to have gotten tested due to potential exposure circumstances beyond my control.

To put this into perspective - and duh yes I'm talking different sorts of pathogens - anyone who has every tried to cultivate mushrooms (as I did three times in 2018) get's a major wake up call about just how well Lysol (a product I'd never used before), still air and masks work, how full of pathogens the air is, how much AC and air flow can affect them, etc.

I fancy myself a relatively smart cat but was humbled to realize the degree to which I had underestimated all those measures. The currently popular agar plate images floating around showing a guy sneezing on plates with and without a mask are pretty rudimentary science.

I'll put myself out there today and say I'm 90% convinced that COVID was an accidental leak of a biowarfare agent (and I suggest Melinda Cooper's academic book, Life as Surplus for those who think that's tinfoilery) but obviously "masks" when worn correctly and following protocol "work." Indeed, if they didn't (and related measures) we would never had developed this thing in the first place.

We're nowhere near a "civil war" over masks, just watching mass hysteria take different forms including uneducated wannabe libertarians having embarrassing tantrums at big box stores and pissy white NPR liberals doing their usual bitchfest about those poor idiot working class republicans etc.

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I hope you're feeling better already, I didn't know you were unwell.

About the theories, there are so many to choose from. It's like consumerist conspiracy out there. Like everyone else, I can't get to the evidence most times I bother to look. It isn't there or or the paywall is over my head. I'm certain corporate university psychology departments are oversubscribed and over funded right now. Studying, prompting, nudging, experimenting. If, right now, they're refining novel theories of coercion and fielding entirely new and superlative methods, at least we'll probably never know about it.

Regarding theories, there's at least several dozen things going on simultaneously most of the time, half a dozen of those completely contradictory, and that's just according to theories. Facts though, who can be bothered looking for those these days, unless another helpful soul might think to lay out a few links...

"Life As Surplus: Biotechnology and Capitalism in the Neoliberal Era" sounds very interesting, cheers.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby SonicG » Thu Jul 16, 2020 8:35 pm

I don't think an accidental leak is ridiculous or tin-foily - whether Wuhan or Ft. Detrick. When I mention it and my friend looks at me sideways, I encourage people to first look into the whole history of the Anthrax "attacks" and try explain to me how it isn't rfishy as F. Years and years and endlessly changing stories about the origins of the Anthrax powder, years spent chasing the "wrong" suspect. And then, I ask them to look at the US's policy, history and treaties on biowarfare and related. And then look at the budgets of all of the intelligence agencies and tell me what they think they are doing...Traditional "Conspiracy Theories" like these have been superseded by "juice boxes cause gay frogs..." etc. ad infinitum
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby fruhmenschen » Thu Jul 16, 2020 9:42 pm

Dr Meryl Nass lives in Ellsworth Maine.
She did her undergraduate work at MIT.

She is the first medical researcher to write a paper
on a country using a biological weapon against it’s
own people.
The country was Rhodesia and the weapon was Anthrax.

I called a meeting with her about 10 years ago along with Human Rights Maine attorney
Russ Christianson and Maine author Mitch Lansky.
Their common denominator was they all had their homes burned down.

See


http://anthraxvaccine.blogspot.com/2020 ... fatal.html


https://www.24-7pressrelease.com/press- ... s-whos-who



https://vfpmaine.org/april-2015-meeting-minutes/



https://www.amazon.com/Beyond-Beauty-St ... 0884481034
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Grizzly » Thu Jul 16, 2020 10:56 pm

"consistency” across all stores, eh?
Soon, You Will Need To Wear A Mask To Enter Virtually Every Major Retail Store In America
If you are adamant about not wearing a mask, you are not going to like this news one bit. Coming into this week, Costco, Starbucks, Best Buy and Panera Bread were requiring customers to wear masks to come into their stores, but most other major retailers were still giving people the freedom to choose whether they wanted to wear a mask or not. I know that a lot of people appreciated this freedom to choose, but it is about to come to an abrupt end. On Wednesday, Walmart and Kroger announced that they will be starting to require consumers to wear masks in all of their stores, and the National Retail Federation is pushing all of the rest of their members to do the same thing. In the days ahead it is expected that most of them will follow suit, and that means that soon there will be very few major retail stores that you are able to enter without wearing a mask.


As the number of confirmed cases has spiked in communities across the country recently, so too have the number and types of face covering mandates being implemented. Currently about 65 percent of our more than 5,000 stores and clubs are located in areas where there is some form of government mandate on face coverings. To help bring consistency across stores and clubs, we will require all shoppers to wear a face covering starting Monday, July 20. This will give us time to inform customers and members of the changes, post signage and train associates on the new protocols.


In the region of the country where I live, there are a ton of people that feel very strongly about not wearing masks, and this announcement is going to hit them really hard.

More...
https://www.zerohedge.com/political/soon-you-will-need-wear-mask-enter-virtually-every-major-retail-store-america

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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Gnomad » Fri Jul 17, 2020 6:24 am

The government mandates females cover their nipples in most countries on Earth, and you will be arrested and fined / charged if you do not.

But you cannot be mandated to have a piece of cloth in front of your mouth to prevent you from spreading a contagious disease?

Figures.

Meanwhile, in EU:

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Prime minister of Finland greeting the chairman of EU Council with a elbow bump, while everybody is wearing masks...
Angela Merkel on the left

While we do not have mandatory mask wearing in Finland, the number of cases is really low too - some 20 new cases in the last week, with just a handful in hospital (and only 7000+ confirmed cases in total, with some 300+ dead). There were discussions of mandatory masks when the situation seemed worse, but lockdowns and social distancing brought the epidemic well under control for now. You do see masks in shops and public transport, mostly on the elderly.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby chump » Fri Jul 17, 2020 3:46 pm

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Why Masks Don't Work


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A Covid Vaccine is Coming, and Death Is Coming With It!
by Gary D.Barnett
July 3, 2020

“Political language… is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable, and to give an appearance of solidity to pure wind.”
~ George Orwell, “Politics and the English Language” (1946)

Mass vaccination, and likely eventual mandatory vaccination, is on the horizon, and has already been accepted by most in this country and around the world as a necessity for avoiding the so-called novel coronavirus. This false notion being pushed on the people by the state and its media is but a lie masquerading as the truth. Propaganda at this level would make Hitler proud. It will not be a godsend for the world, but will be the state’s weapon of choice for mass murder for the purpose of genocide and population control. No coronavirus or RNA vaccines have ever been effective, but have been very dangerous to the health of those inoculated. In the case of this new vaccine being fast-tracked, it will be untested, and the risks due to many factors will be astronomical.

We are currently living in a world that has turned all that is sane insane, and all that is insane sane. That is the essence of a backward world, and one that is self-destructive by design. This is a world where nature and natural law have been replaced by the unnatural and manmade laws that have brought about the eradication of every aspect of quality life. It is a world where the human body and soul are considered the enemy, while poisonous toxins, biological experimentation, and genetically modified organisms are considered man’s healing agents. It is a world where logic is shunned and stupidity accepted, where truth is attacked while propaganda is embraced, where self-defense is prosecuted while violent crime is worshipped, and where compassion and reality have been replaced by false emotion and intellectual unconsciousness. Arrogant confusion and mass ignorance now pass for normalcy, while the death of innocents has readily been accepted by the masses. Society’s moral standards have been abandoned, and have been replaced by hate and indifference.

How could an entire planet go berserk seemingly overnight? How could nearly 8 billion people lose all common sense, self-responsibility, and nearly every flicker of elemental intellect in the blink of an eye? Why has our world been turned upside down? The answer is because this did not happen overnight; it happened over decades, but now we are headed toward total destruction, and that destruction is being voluntarily accepted by the now weak and pitiful bulk of humanity.

It is important to consider that any new Covid vaccine will not only be tainted with several different deadly viruses, but will also be filled with deadly adjutants as well, possibly including mercury, aluminum, and other poisons. In addition, tracking and tracing technology, biological nano-particles, and other unrelated toxins could be an unknown part of any possible gene-altering injection. Whatever the makeup of this vaccine, it is certain that everything in it once given will then be inside the bodies of all those inoculated. Once these viruses and other agents are inside the body, weak or compromised immune systems due to the stress of isolation and quarantine, lack of exercise and sunlight, additional and continued job loss, oxygen stealing masks, and other factors will allow for those newly injected viruses to attack those vaccinated by replicating and causing sickness and disease. This will be especially deadly for the old, sick, and infirmed, but those people are already being murdered by the state due to the inhuman response to this fabricated coronavirus pandemic hoax. This was no accident, and exposes that the ruling elites and the government eugenics agenda is already being implemented.

Although it seems that the general public is not concerned about the elderly population and those whose health is already compromised, the danger of this new vaccine will not be limited to those already old and weak, but will be indiscriminate in its attack on people of all ages, healthy or not. Injecting these deadly toxins into healthy people will cause widespread sickness and death. The more restriction, isolation, and stress due to the current and future government response to this fraudulent pandemic, will cause even healthy people to succumb to sickness and disease, especially since all newly inoculated Americans will be infected with the very disease they are attempting to avoid.

In my opinion, many millions could die just in this country alone from a Covid vaccine. These deaths will not be blamed on the vaccine, but will be blamed on other factors. With universal vaccination, those most vulnerable will die off quickly, as their already weakened state of health will have been magnified greatly by the poisonous vaccine. Therefore, the old and compromised will be the first to go, and that will continue to be mostly ignored because of the hype of a renewed second or third phase, but as time goes by, deaths will occur at every age regardless of health. The dissenters will be blamed for continued outbreaks, and distrust and fear of all people will consume the now pathetic and imbecilic masses. The enhanced fear that will have been instilled in the sheep will cloud their judgment even more, and cause them to accept a second vaccination touted as necessary to enhance their now destroyed immune systems. At this stage, they will also accept much more surveillance and continuous monitoring, thus allowing the state to blame every movement, every contact, every pleasure, and every act of normalcy as reason for the carnage purposely inflicted by the ruling and political class.

Bill Gates once said that the population was headed to 9 billion, and that “if we do a really good job with vaccines, health care, reproductive health services, we could lower that by perhaps 10 to 15 percent.” That would equate to 900 million to 1.35 billion less people. With worldwide Covid vaccinations, that genocide of over a billion people could easily be accomplished in a short amount of time. Gates and the elites would have committed mass murder by stealth, and their vaccination indoctrination would be considered a successful coup.

Millions of deaths are coming to America if this Covid vaccination is allowed to go forward. The truth will never see the light of day in any mainstream media, and the American public will feed the frenzy of death with their fear. This is a recipe for death never before seen in this country, and when the dust settles, the murder of innocents by the state will have surpassed all imagination, and what will remain will be totalitarian hell.

“Eugenics is … the most adequate and thorough avenue to the solution of racial, political and social problems.”
~ Margaret Sanger,“The Eugenic Value of Birth Control Propaganda”. “Birth Control Review”, (p. 5), October 1921.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Elvis » Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:21 pm

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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Grizzly » Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:24 pm

https://www.designboom.com/design/donut-robits-c-mask-internet-connected-07-07-2020/

C-mask, a smart face mask that can translate and transcribe for you

dubbed the C-mask, this new face mask by japanese startup donut robotics can record conversations, transcribe them into text messages via bluetooth, and translate japanese into eight languages: english, chinese, french, korean, thai, bahasa, spanish and vietnamese. you can also use it to make calls and to amplify the wearer’s voice, making it very useful as wearing masks can sometimes interfere with people being heard.




Welcome to the new abnormal, I guess ... :shrug: :roll: :roll: :roll:

Hey stickdog99, mind sharing your source for that Pandemic Winners and losers, image?
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby chump » Fri Jul 17, 2020 4:33 pm

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Updated: The Miserable Pseudo-Science Behind Face Masks, Social Distancing And Contact Tracing

Posted By: Patrick Wood June 19, 2020

For clarity and accuracy, the section A Matter of Oxygen has been removed and replaced with the section Breath Is Vital To Life.⁃ TN Editor

Once upon a time, there was something called science. It included the discovery of truth about nature, the elements, the universe, etc. It was practiced by honest and accountable practitioners called scientists and engineers. They often invented cool new things as a result of their studies, but generally they had no primal urge to use their knowledge to dominate other people, groups or even entire societies.

Then certain other scientists and engineers rose up and made a discovery of their own. If true science was ever-so-slightly skewed and engineering disciplines were applied to society at large, then they could indeed use their “knowledge” to dominate and control other people, groups, entire societies or even, heaven forbid, the entire planet.

The first group pursued science. The second group pursued pseudo-science.

Merriam-Webster defines pseudo-science as “a system of theories, assumptions, and methods erroneously regarded as scientific.” The Oxford dictionary clarifies by stating, “a collection of beliefs or practices mistakenly regarded as being based on scientific method.“

Pseudo-science quickly emerged as the principal domain of Technocrats, but they soon found that scientific debate with those promoting real science was most inconvenient to their social engineering goals. The solution was simple: claim that their own pseudo-science was indeed the real science, and then refuse debate by excluding all other voices to the contrary.

In the context of pseudo-science, this report will examine the three primary tools of fighting COVID-19: face masks, social distancing and contact tracing.

Face masks


The Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) website plainly states that cloth face masks “Will not protect the wearer against airborne transmissible infectious agents due to loose fit and lack of seal or inadequate filtration.”

But, what about surgical masks? OHSA is clear here also that they “will not protect the wearer against airborne transmissible infectious agents due to loose fit and lack of seal or inadequate filtration.”

But then right under these statements, OSHA furiously backpedaled by adding an FAQ section on COVID-19 directly underneath and stated,

OSHA generally recommends that employers encourage workers to wear face coverings at work. Face coverings are intended to prevent wearers who have Coronavirus Disease 2019 (COVID-19) without knowing it (i.e., those who are asymptomatic or pre-symptomatic) from spreading potentially infectious respiratory droplets to others. This is known as source control.

Consistent with the
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) recommendation for all people to wear cloth face coverings when in public and around other people, wearing cloth face coverings, if appropriate for the work environment and job tasks, conserves other types of personal protective equipment (PPE), such as surgical masks, for healthcare settings where such equipment is needed most.


So, wearing a face mask cannot protect you from getting COVID, but it is supposedly able to keep someone else from getting it from you? OSHA is speaking out of both sides of its mouth. What it calls “source control” likely puts the real motive out in the open: since you are the source, it’s about controlling YOU. There is no true scientific rationale for anyone but the sick and medical workers to wear masks.

The truly healthy have no business wearing a mask, period.

But, what about asymptomatic carriers?

On June 8, 2020, Maria Van Herkhove, PhD., head of the World Health Organization’s emerging diseases and zoonosis unit released a compilation of a number of contact tracing programs from various nations and plainly stated “From the data we have, it still seems to be very rare that an asymptomatic person actually transmits onward to a secondary individual.”

This writer hates to think what happened to Dr. Herkhove overnight at the hands of her WHO handlers, because the next day she also furiously backpedaled and stated “I used the phrase ‘very rare,’ and I think that that’s misunderstanding to state that asymptomatic transmission globally is very rare. I was referring to a small subset of studies.”

It is clear that Dr. Herkhove’s first statement that naively repeated the clear facts of the matter did not follow the WHO’s justification for non-infectious people to wear masks. In fact, the entire mask wearing narrative hangs on the single pseudo-scientific idea that asymptomatic people can spread the virus.

In a recent Technocracy News article authored by highly-respected neurosurgeon Dr. Russell Blaylock, MD titled Face Masks Pose Serious Risks To The Healthy, he concluded, “there is insufficient evidence that wearing a mask of any kind can have a significant impact in preventing the spread of this virus.” (Blaylock represents real science.)

Nevertheless, in the face of clear evidence of the worthlessness of face masks for preventing disease,

States and municipalities are mandating that face masks be worn by all citizens when outside their home
Large and small companies are forcing their employees to wear masks
People at large are scared to death to not wear a face mask for fear of getting sick or being mask-shamed by others if they take it off.

Breath Is Vital To Life

Many people believe that face masks lower the percentage of oxygen available for inhaling because you rebreathe much of your exhausted breath. However, a face mask itself does not retain a significant amount of your exhaled breath since most of it is exhaled through the mask into the open atmosphere. Furthermore, when you inhale, most of the air delivered to your lungs comes from outside the mask.

The real science is much more complicated than the amount of residual air contained within a face mask.

The real problem with breathing through a mask is that the lungs and chest muscles must exert a lot of extra energy to inhale and exhale. In other words, you must work harder to breathe the same amount of fresh air that you would normally breathe without a mask.

For this reason, those who already have impaired lung functions, minor as they may be, should never wear a mask unless it is for a specific purpose for a very short period of time. The older you are, especially those over 70, lung capacity and muscle strength decline rapidly.

This writer has already encountered several retail store employees, forced by their employers to wear a face mask during work hours, who exhibit symptoms like headache, shortness of breath or dizziness. When asked if they relate their symptoms to wearing the mask, every single one has emphatically said “Yes!”.

Workers with the most physically demanding jobs are the most likely to exhibit these kind of symptoms. Other considerations are age, any preexisting conditions of the lungs (like pleurisy, COPD, chronic bronchitis, pneumonia, etc.) or chest muscles and factors like poor physical condition and obesity. Actually, any debilitating health condition should be a red flag. In other words, those who are prone to get winded without a face mask will immediately be at a disadvantage when wearing a mask. The net effect is that the lungs receive less fresh air with vital oxygen even as the body is under more physical stress.

Every employer and government entity that mandates the wearing of face masks should be required to do two things: first, they should carefully consider each employee as an individual to determine their suitability for wearing a mask. All factors mentioned above should be included, and in any case, no one should be required to wear a mask if it puts too much stress on their lungs.

Many state-level politicians are now mandating the wearing of face masks for all citizens in public places. They have fallen prey to pseudo-science and are now putting entire populations at risk for physical harm that has nothing to do with the COVID-19 virus.

In sum, lung strength, physical condition, age, pre-existing conditions, physical demands of the job, etc., should all be carefully considered by all. A blanket statement that all employees or all citizens should wear face masks it wholly inappropriate.

Social Distancing

Adding to the fear of contagion, people across the nation are driven to practice social distancing, or staying 6 feet apart at all times. This is practiced to excess in almost every commercial establishment with markers taped or painted on the floor and shopping isles converted into one-way travel only.

Yet, two real scientists at the University of Oxford in Britain, Professors Carl Heneghan and Tom Jefferson, wrote in The Telegraph (UK) recently that “the two-metre rule has no basis in science.” Their article was titled There is no scientific evidence to support the disastrous two-metre rule.

According to these scientists,

The influential Lancet review provided evidence from 172 studies in support of physical distancing of one metre or more. This might sound impressive, but all the studies were retrospective and suffer from biases that undermine the reliability of their findings. Recall bias arises in research when participants do not remember previous events accurately, and it is problematic when studies look back in time at how people behaved, including how closely they stood from others.

More concerning was that only five of the 172 studies reported specifically on Covid exposure and proximity with infection. These studies included a total of merely 477 patients, with just 26 actual cases of infection. In only one study was a specific distance measure reported: “came within six feet of the index patient”. The result showed no effect of distance on contracting Covid.


Heneghan and Jefferson further noted,

On further independent inspection of 15 studies included in the review, we found multiple inconsistencies in the data, numerical mistakes and unsound methods in 13 of them. When assumptions over distance were made, we could not replicate any of them.


This is the hallmark of modern pseudo-science: inconsistencies in the data, numerical mistakes, unsound methods and inability to replicate results.

What is the real purpose of social distancing? It certainly is not to curtail contagion. The only other possibility is to curtail economic activity and prevent social cohesion. Humans are social beings, after all, and lack of close proximity leads to depression, anxiety and even serious health consequences.

Contact Tracing

Contact tracing is an established practice in modern medicine. It is useful for the early stages of serious infectious diseases like Ebola, tuberculosis and sexually transmitted diseases like chlamydia.

Every credible expert on contact tracing says that it is effective only up to the point of mass distribution. In other words, during the early stages of a contagion or a slow moving or very serious disease.

In the case of COVID-19, the horse has already left the barn. Except to harass people, there is nothing useful that contact tracing can accomplish.

Yet, almost every state in America is implementing a wide-ranging contact tracing program that may ultimately employ some 300,000 tracers.

The Center for Disease Control website states that “Contact tracing will be conducted for close contacts (any individual within 6 feet of an infected person for at least 15 minutes) of laboratory-confirmed or probable COVID-19 patients.”

Furthermore, CDC complete definition of “close contact” is,

Someone who was within 6 feet of an infected person for at least 15 minutes starting from 2 days before illness onset (or, for asymptomatic patients, 2 days prior to specimen collection) until the time the patient is isolated.


If you are “exposed” to such a person, your personal information will be collected and you will be contacted by the “tracer” to be instructed to quarantine for up to two weeks. The infected person could have been mistaken about having contact with you. They could be someone who just wants to get you in trouble. If you live in Washington state, where all restaurants are now required to record the contact information of every patron, you might not have a clue who was infected, but you will be quarantined anyway.

Now, the CDC’s declaration of “6 feet” above takes us back to social distancing, where we just learned above that there is “no effect of distance on contracting COVID” in the first place.

Thus, find that contact tracing misses the mark on two main points: first, the virus is too widespread throughout the population to make tracing effective and second, the criteria of six feet for defining a “contact” is bogus.

So, why are governors, mayors and health departments ramping up for a nationwide exercise in obtrusive contact tracing? Again, pursuing a path of pseudo-science, the intended outcome is control over people.

Conclusion

The American public is being spoon-fed a steady diet of pseudo-science in order to justify the wearing of face masks, social distancing and contact tracing. Yet, the actual science points in the polar opposite direction.

Furthermore, those who try to present the real science are shamed, ridiculed and bullied for having such narrow-minded views.

This is a clear sign of Technocrats-at-work. Instead, these are the ones who should be exposed, shamed and ridiculed.

In sum, these dangerous and destructive policies are designed to curtail economic activity, break down social cohesion and control people. Moreover, they fit the original mission statement of Technocracy as far back as 1938:

Technocracy is the science of social engineering, the scientific operation of the entire social mechanism to produce and distribute goods and services to the entire population…


It is highly doubtful that most state and local leaders understand the lack of real and verified science behind their actions and mandates. Nevertheless, they are implementing policies that are destructive to our economic system, harmful to our personal health and ruinous to personal liberty.

This writer suggests that you print multiple copies of this report and deliver it to every political leader, every commercial establishment, all family and friends, etc.

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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Grizzly » Fri Jul 17, 2020 6:58 pm

Trust Muh Experts Guyz!
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Blue » Fri Jul 17, 2020 7:23 pm



Thank you very much Elvis. Why are there so many anti-science folks on RI these days?

LiminalOyster: I hope you are doing well. Rest and take as much Vit C and D as you can.

I became very ill Feb 2. It was a Sunday and I had to lay down with a really severe headache at 1:00 PM. It was unusual for me. Within an hour I became chilled and wrapped myself up in blankets.
I stayed in bed, feeling exhausted until the next morning. The next day my ears began burning, I mean really fucking burning in both of them, in the ear canal, just fire and pain.
The next day the ear pain had moved to my throat. I began a little cough but the worst effect was the absolute lethargy, total lack of energy.

Over the days, my cough got bad and wouldn't stop. I hate mofo doctors so I just thought I could tough it out - a flu or something even tho I never get sick.
After one week literally in bed because of the absolute exhaustion of getting up and moving around, I got on the computer.
Looked up walking pneumonia. Really had no clue at that time that it could be Covid 19.

After 2 more weeks of coughing and horrible weakness, I recovered somewhat.
I actually went to my gym the first week of March and noticed it was pretty empty. Talked to an employee who said he had the worst flu ever back in late January. Argh.

I live in a small southern city, University town.

This virus has been with us in the US longer than they say.

It's real. Try not to get it.

Just wear the fucking mask when you are around people. Please.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby JackRiddler » Fri Jul 17, 2020 8:45 pm

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Yeah, I'm worried about liminal and hope he's better, and his friend too, and everyone.

With the exceptions of masks and simple distancing and mitigating crowds, I'm hugely skeptical about the purpose and implementation of almost all of the measures, especially the quarantining of the healthy and the young, the shutting down of schools and universities. I'm enraged daily at the reckless disregard for doing anything constructive about the depression set off by lockdown, except to exploit it to smash even more lives than Covid will, so that the worst can get richer and the world can get shittier and darker and more controlled. And, of course, I join alloneword in most of his skepticism about the spins put on the numbers in the first place. And I feel my opinions are well-grounded in examination of available evidence, logic, and scientific methods.

Nevertheless, this thing is obviously real, obviously bad -- not 1918 or 1347 bad, and not as bad as many advertise in their efforts to terrorize people out of various motives, and very likely not going to be a permanent no-cure presence against which no one is immune, etc. But it's bad. And obviously the excess death hitting people in nursing homes and other unsafe crowd situations is the product of a contagion, within the horrific and stupid conditions we tolerate. It is also obviously anthropogenic, in the sense of capitalist-overconsuming-high-resource economics creating all the conditions for zoonotic outbreaks by destroying every safeguard on earth, merely so that the worst can add to their pile of money.

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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby liminalOyster » Fri Jul 17, 2020 9:05 pm

Quick note out of group responsibiltiy: I'm negative as of about 4 hrs ago. Doc confessed to me he thought I'd likely turn out to be pos but now thinks was probably cryptosporidiun or giardia. I did get word that my neighbor's 17 yo grandson has it, source unknown and quarantining, etc.
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