Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

[Belligerent Savant]

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Should we just rename this the anti-vaxx same old shit thread?

That's quite a leap. I don't see any one position overtaking any other here. Also haven't seen explicit "anti-vaxx" content here either.

Broad brush strokes serve no purpose (unless we're operating within facile Establishment talking points, which can be found in many other venues).

[Elvis]

There is room for different interpretations of the data

And interesting how people tend to choose an interpretation depending on their cultural/political predispositions.

I'm trying to figure out my own agnosticism on this. I guess I don't trust any of the political actors enough to buy in to a particular story. I'm inclined to believe scientists—with glaring exceptions—or at least believe they're sincere.

[Belligerent Savant]

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Indeed -

I tend to look at the data/information available, and then attempt to filter through political leanings. Increasingly, trusting anyone at face-value is a risky proposition. Scientists aren't immune from compromise, but on average they can be trusted more than others (depending, of course, on their source of funding).

But there's an increasingly pervasive mindset out there fast becoming a pet-peeve of mine: the "because science" people. As in: "I subscribe fully to Dr. Fauci's guidance... because 'science'. "

Hubris. Arrogance. Worship of SCIENCE as the new Religion.

Yes, science is important. But "science" is not infallible. Science, in fact, requires scrutiny, and repeat testing, and most importantly, revisions to a given hypothesis when new findings dictate. (See: The Scientific Method).


The "...because science" card is an excuse to avoid critical thinking, or perhaps more importantly, to avoid challenging the status quo.

[Grizzly]

https://www.cnbc.com/video/2017/10/25/david-martin-the-new-way-of-valuing-companies-involves-their-intellectual-property.html
David Martin: The new way of valuing companies involves their intellectual property

David Martin, MCAM founder & CEO, talks to CNBC’s Tyler Mathisen at the NYSE about the CNBC IQ 100 which measures a company’s intellectual property and how that relates to the market.

Dead man walking. He joined the dots on covid and he has the receipts. I predict he will soon be dead, commit suicide or be jailed?



Off shore the dangerous... No conspiracy here, eh? /s

'Gain of Function' was, and has been brought up from the beginning, right here at RI, by Lynn aka pussywillow and others...

No antivax, going on here, unless you know, you feel sooo scared, that you'll take any shit they offer and pay for it! Even though, there is little to no trials no time honoured vetting no recourse if it damages or kills you or a loved one.
Go ahead take the fasttrack.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/health/2020-04-17/coronavirus-vaccine-ian-frazer/12146616

[Iamwhomiam]

He's quite convincing, that Martin. I imagine in his next video he'll be sharing with us his stock tips.

[hanshan]

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http://www.rigorousintuition.ca/board2/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=41979&p=684600#p684600

Here's a neurobiologist from Pittsburg reviewing the history of gain of function research and summarizing evidence for Covid19 as a lab created virus, all while riding his bike through town in the rain:


Here's the article he references. Can't vouch for the author(s), know nothing about them, and one of them worked at Los Alamos?
https://harvardtothebighouse.com/2020/0 ... 2019-ncov/

Petition to ban gain of function research:
https://www.change.org/p/national-insti ... _dashboard

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[Iamwhomiam]

^^^ Caught it the first time, hanshan. Just wondering why you re-posted it - you don't say.

[hanshan]

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M·CAM | Aligning Innovation with Value Exchange


https://www.m-cam.com/


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[hanshan]

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^^^ Caught it the first time, hanshan. Just wondering why you re-posted it - you don't say.

iam...


the thread is 103 pages
there may in fact be folks who haven"t
followed from pg. 1
i saw it myself when first it appeared
eidetic isn't necessarily
every day;
& may not have the wherewithal
to go back to it

thanks for the comment
& i do hope you're doing well


all the best...

[Iamwhomiam]

[Grizzly]

Yep.. Latest: 5 days ago.

We need some common ground.

It is immorally disingenuous to argue unequivocally that the origin of the SARS-CoV2 virus could not have been a laboratory. Even worse, the circumstantial evidence supporting this hypothesis is a mountain.

The truth is we know that historically, several previous pandemics have most likely originated from human laboratory activities. These events will remain shrouded in some mystery, but the biological evidence is sound. Most experts don't debate these conclusions while accepting we'll never know.

Gain of Function Viral Research is not fool proof. It has never been without documented mistakes, accidental leaks and infections, and even theft and espionage. To argue that there is no chance that SARS-CoV2 is a laboratory experiment is simply an untenable position given what we know about human history, deep and recent.

Here's a bike ride that attempts to give you an updated cursory look at the skeleton bibliography of SARS related coronavirus research. Coronaviruses have been mined and investigated as potential intellectual property for years, but not only as potential global therapeutic targets but also as therapeutic tools themselves. Let this abbreviated cross section give you just an inkling of the depth and breadth of their knowledge with regard to how CoV's infect, evolve, and zoonotic jump, as well as how many different methodologies they have had at their disposal for nearly a decade to structurally and molecularly manipulate them.

Dan’s Blog
https://harvardtothebighouse.com/2020...
Dan’s Published Analysis Article
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/1...
Lynn C. Klotz
https://thebulletin.org/biography/lyn...

Previous suspected lab leaks:
1977 Flu
https://mbio.asm.org/content/mbio/6/4...
SARS 2003
https://journals.lww.com/cmj/Fulltext...
2009 Flu
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...

Known Effects of CoVs being sold as NOVEL:
Loss of Ab serum levels in SARS/MERS
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30775...
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...
Neurotrophic respiratory viruses
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...
Ab cytotoxicity and autoimmunity in SARS1
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...


Proximal Origin Nonsense
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...

Michael Osterholm on Joe Rogan (“No Gene Jockey”)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3URh...

Ferrets used to enrich a pandemic strain of avian H5N1 flu virus:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/arti...

Making RNA viruses from SCRATCH:
Polio cDNA clone.
https://science.sciencemag.org/conten...
Baric’s early cDNA cloning work
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18818...
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17037...
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19036...
CoV reverse genetics systems review
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/24930...
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science...


SARS chimera paper that everyone hypes:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/26552...
The missing papers from the above latest web version that give huge methodology clues to their full capabilities:
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23365...
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18077...
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15492...
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15980...
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17314...
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18579...

Note: none of the links seem to work from here, guess you'll have to go to the guys (JC's) tube to get direct links. Sorry.

[Elvis]

^^^^ Very interesting!

[Iamwhomiam]

Yeah, it was. Thanks Grizzly.

[chump]

https://www.globalresearch.ca/obscene-p ... ry/5721834
Obscene Pandemic Profiteering: Largest Consolidation of Wealth in American History
By David DeGraw
Global Research, August 23, 2020


According to the Institute for Policy Studies: “Since March 18, the beginning of the pandemic,” the 12 richest Americans “have seen their combined wealth increase $283 billion, an increase of almost 40 percent.”

Those 12 people primarily benefited from the two-party unanimously approved CARES Act, which was an unprecedented looting of taxpayer wealth under the guise of being a “taxpayer relief bill.”

Meanwhile, poverty, debt, hunger, depression & suicide rates have all skyrocketed. Primarily because tens of millions of people have had their livelihoods destroyed by mandated government policies.

In response to all of this, Congress has now gone on an extended vacation without doing ANYTHING to help their constituencies survive or recover from the direct policies that they enacted.

https://youtu.be/6xMpZJ6fypE
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Meet the “Oligarchic Twelve / Despotic Dozen:”

[numbers measured in billions of dollars]
Name | Wealth 3/18 | Wealth Now | Gain
Jeff Bezos 113b | 189b | +76b
Bill Gates 98b | 114b | +16b
Mark Zuckerberg 55b | 96b | +41b
Warren Buffett 68b | 81b | +13b
Elon Musk 25b | 73b | +48b
Steve Ballmer 53b | 71b | +18b
Larry Ellison 59b | 71b | +12b
Larry Page 51b | 67b | +16b
Sergey Brin 49b | 66b | +17b
Alice Walton 54b | 63b | +9b
Jim Walton 55b | 62b | +7b
Rob Walton 54b | 62b | +8b

Never let a crisis go to waste!!

Do you grasp how unprecedented & obscene this is?

For the richest people to increase their net worth by 40% over such a short time period, while the country is in quarantine & the economy is locked down, is a Crime Against Humanity.

While “56.2 million workers sought unemployment aid” during a pandemic, these people experienced the greatest wealth increase rate ever!!

BOTH parties are completely on board with all of this… while children are starving, while tens of millions of people are buried in debt that they will never get out of, our political class is vacationing, cruising on yachts and playing golf while Rome burns!!

Wake up America, BOTH parties have thrown us overboard!!

This coming election will be a logistical fiasco / disaster that will emphatically prove our corrupted failed state status to those who are still in denial. The election will result in further chaos, confusion & division.

This will lead to a significant percentage of the population calling for and falling into compliance with increasing authoritarian order.

We are being drowned in divide & conquer propaganda while global technocratic imperialists rob us all blind and exploit the virus to implement a wickedly oppressive economic, “health” and surveillance system.

The window of opportunity to solve things peacefully is closing fast. We need to focus on forming groups to more effectively disseminate vital information & form self-sufficient communities to defend our families.

The extent to which you think I am exaggerating is an accurate measure of how propagandized you are.

I say all of this out of love & respect. It is all so hard to wrap your head around how obscenely corrupt our society has become.

The hour is late… but it is not too late…

We are gaining solid traction in uniting people with opinions across the political spectrum.

As shockingly corrupt & crazy as things have become, we may be at a tipping point where people with diverse perspectives come together against the core of systemic corruption.

Due to the virus having such personal impact on everyone, and because the systemically power-crazed forces are exploiting it to such an extreme degree, this could be the point in which real changes takes root.

Obviously it won’t be easy, and this election will be a total fiasco / disaster… but, there is HOPE.

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[Iamwhomiam]

Chump, I am glad to inform you of my appreciation for your posting that news, even though more than a few here are aware of the ongoing financial rape of taxpayers. The Dore piece was accurate and the Carlin bit too, Hard to believe how long ago his performance was, considering he died in 2008.

They listen, they clap, then they go back to their routine, robot lives. Like slaves who can no longer imagine another reality.

No one responded in a more appropriate manner after listtening and applauding Carlin's frank truth-telling any more than they did after listening to and applauding Eisenhower's farewell speech.

It's a good thing for George that he died when he did. If he had lived another year his head would have exploded.

There was an article in the NYT today that reported a recurrence or reinfection, of covid-19 in someone who had recovered from it more than four months ago. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/24/world/covid-19-coronavirus.html