Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

[stickdog99]

I'm a little fuzzy on why global capital would want a Great Reset when they already run the show.

They want everything and they want it all at low, low prices. Evictions, foreclosures, bankruptcy, unemployment and general desperation are their best friends.

[SonicG]

Yes, just ran across an article about Starbucks and big chains running over independent cafes ~~ It's a last blind cash grab because the Technosphere does not what else to do...
I'm kinda down on Knowles lately even though I think he is right on about the War in the Heavens, and even Richard Hoagland territory with Maldek, the face on Mars and the nuclear war that devastated it...and that supernova. He is actually very close to Jose Arguelles with all that. Looking at Covid in a rigorous universal manner, it doubtlessly marks a change in consciousness, descent or ascent is our choice, and I truly think it may very well spark some high weirdness, the likes of which we cannot even imagine. If it is prepping us for some sort of culling, the optimal way to prepare oneself for such an ineffable event would be to seek greater proximity with the ineffable...

[DrEvil]

Yes, just ran across an article about Starbucks and big chains running over independent cafes ~~ It's a last blind cash grab because the Technosphere does not what else to do...
I'm kinda down on Knowles lately even though I think he is right on about the War in the Heavens, and even Richard Hoagland territory with Maldek, the face on Mars and the nuclear war that devastated it...and that supernova. He is actually very close to Jose Arguelles with all that. Looking at Covid in a rigorous universal manner, it doubtlessly marks a change in consciousness, descent or ascent is our choice, and I truly think it may very well spark some high weirdness, the likes of which we cannot even imagine. If it is prepping us for some sort of culling, the optimal way to prepare oneself for such an ineffable event would be to seek greater proximity with the ineffable...

I'm not really familiar enough with Knowles, Hoagland and Arguelles to have an opinion on their claims, except for one thing: there is no face on Mars. It's a trick of the light.


I also disagree with Covid marking a change in consciousness. It's more that it's been so long since this kind of thing was normal that everyone forgot. I guess you could say it's a change in consciousness in the sense that a lot of people have just woken up to how fragile our society really is, but if this is a culling they're doing a really bad job.

That's not to say I don't think there's a cull coming, but I don't think it will be intentional, just mother nature doing her thing or our nature getting the better of us, as it inevitably does. No one is really fully in charge. We're veering from one crisis to the next with competing factions grabbing for the wheel, and so far it's just dumb luck that we haven't stumbled face first into the Great Filter (or the filter hasn't stumbled on us yet. Our galactic footprint is still tiny. No idea what our interdimensional footprint might look like).

We're at a point in history where random individuals can wield the same kind of power as kings of old. We have so many ways to amplify our actions, it's only a matter of time before someone takes full advantage of that, and the potential for amplification will only increase with technological progress. In theory covid-19 could have been the work of a single individual.

[DrEvil]

I'm a little fuzzy on why global capital would want a Great Reset when they already run the show.

They want everything and they want it all at low, low prices. Evictions, foreclosures, bankruptcy, unemployment and general desperation are their best friends.

I agree that they want everything, but I don't agree that the way to get it is to increase the odds of armed resistance (lots of unemployed, deeply religious people with access to guns = Syria). The status quo is their golden goose.

[Belligerent Savant]

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https://gbdeclaration.org/

Gaining momentum. Some may try to poke holes at this by digging into its source funding, etc. (as if the F'ing WHO, Gates, et al. aren't far worse than whatever is funding this campaign).


As of Oct.10:

As infectious disease epidemiologists and public health scientists we have grave concerns about the damaging physical and mental health impacts of the prevailing COVID-19 policies, and recommend an approach we call Focused Protection.

Coming from both the left and right, and around the world, we have devoted our careers to protecting people. Current lockdown policies are producing devastating effects on short and long-term public health. The results (to name a few) include lower childhood vaccination rates, worsening cardiovascular disease outcomes, fewer cancer screenings and deteriorating mental health – leading to greater excess mortality in years to come, with the working class and younger members of society carrying the heaviest burden. Keeping students out of school is a grave injustice.

Keeping these measures in place until a vaccine is available will cause irreparable damage, with the underprivileged disproportionately harmed.

Fortunately, our understanding of the virus is growing. We know that vulnerability to death from COVID-19 is more than a thousand-fold higher in the old and infirm than the young. Indeed, for children, COVID-19 is less dangerous than many other harms, including influenza.

As immunity builds in the population, the risk of infection to all – including the vulnerable – falls. We know that all populations will eventually reach herd immunity – i.e. the point at which the rate of new infections is stable – and that this can be assisted by (but is not dependent upon) a vaccine. Our goal should therefore be to minimize mortality and social harm until we reach herd immunity.

The most compassionate approach that balances the risks and benefits of reaching herd immunity, is to allow those who are at minimal risk of death to live their lives normally to build up immunity to the virus through natural infection, while better protecting those who are at highest risk. We call this Focused Protection.

Adopting measures to protect the vulnerable should be the central aim of public health responses to COVID-19. By way of example, nursing homes should use staff with acquired immunity and perform frequent PCR testing of other staff and all visitors. Staff rotation should be minimized. Retired people living at home should have groceries and other essentials delivered to their home. When possible, they should meet family members outside rather than inside. A comprehensive and detailed list of measures, including approaches to multi-generational households, can be implemented, and is well within the scope and capability of public health professionals.

Those who are not vulnerable should immediately be allowed to resume life as normal. Simple hygiene measures, such as hand washing and staying home when sick should be practiced by everyone to reduce the herd immunity threshold. Schools and universities should be open for in-person teaching. Extracurricular activities, such as sports, should be resumed. Young low-risk adults should work normally, rather than from home. Restaurants and other businesses should open. Arts, music, sport and other cultural activities should resume. People who are more at risk may participate if they wish, while society as a whole enjoys the protection conferred upon the vulnerable by those who have built up herd immunity.

[DrEvil]

^^Can't say I agree with the premise of that letter. Herd immunity is not a given, they completely ignore the long term effects from otherwise mild cases, and removing all restrictions will accelerate the spread, killing more of the vulnerable that they want to protect. One in five of US teachers are old enough to have a 1% chance of dying for instance.

Also, Gates and the WHO are not worse than the Koch brother(s).

[Belligerent Savant]

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Is this funded by the Koch Brothers? And right now, damn f'ing right the WHO and Gates are FAR more damaging to the world than the f'ing diminishing influence of the Koch Bros.

Also: what do you mean by "completely ignore the long-term effects"? How do you define "long-term"? Hasn't been a year yet.

Where are these studies and/or figures that demonstrate substantive long-term effects, outside of outliers?

The obvious must also be stated: the standard flu, pneumonia, and just about any illness that effects the respiratory system has the potential for lingering/long-term damage. This is not relegated to COVID alone.


Thousands of real, actual scientists have signed that declaration so far. Clearly, there is merit to their statements. Or what: are they ALL compromised actors, then?

And what of Fauci, a govt spokesperson?

Sweden is a real-world example of the declaration in action. Good for the Swedes, marching to their own drum.

I won't let petty Establishment political leanings distract from the ongoing criminality in place since the onset of this... pandemic.

[Joe Hillshoist]

^^Can't say I agree with the premise of that letter. Herd immunity is not a given, they completely ignore the long term effects from otherwise mild cases, and removing all restrictions will accelerate the spread, killing more of the vulnerable that they want to protect. One in five of US teachers are old enough to have a 1% chance of dying for instance.

Also, Gates and the WHO are not worse than the Koch brother(s).

Gates and the Koch brothers are both monopolists. The brothers want a monopoly on cash but Gates wants one on how people live their lives. He is a dodgy cunt and is not trustworthy at all. It's a false dichotomy to claim there are major differences between them.

[PufPuf93]

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Is this funded by the Koch Brothers? And right now, damn f'ing right the WHO and Gates are FAR more damaging to the world than the f'ing diminishing influence of the Koch Bros.

Also: what do you mean by "completely ignore the long-term effects"? How do you define "long-term"? Hasn't been a year yet.

Where are these studies and/or figures that demonstrate substantive long-term effects, outside of outliers?

The obvious must also be stated: the standard flu, pneumonia, and just about any illness that effects the respiratory system has the potential for lingering/long-term damage. This is not relegated to COVID alone.


Thousands of real, actual scientists have signed that declaration so far. Clearly, there is merit to their statements. Or what: are they ALL compromised actors, then?

And what of Fauci, a govt spokesperson?

Sweden is a real-world example of the declaration in action. Good for the Swedes, marching to their own drum.

I won't let petty Establishment political leanings distract from the ongoing criminality in place since the onset of this... pandemic.

Speaking of Dr. Fauci:

Returning to normal after COVID-19 won’t be easy, Fauci warns UC Berkeley panel

Vanessa Arredondo Oct. 9, 2020 Updated: Oct. 9, 2020 3:42 p.m.

Public officials will need to determine who receives the first coronavirus vaccines once they become available, Dr. Anthony Fauci told a virtual gathering of the nonprofit Berkeley Forum.

A “good vaccine” might mean a gradual return to a sense of normalcy toward the end of next year, Fauci said Thursday evening. At the same time, the highly regarded director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases cautioned that such a return will not be as easy as “turning a light switch on and off.” A coronavirus vaccine will not be 99% effective, and the majority of people likely will not be vaccinated, he said.

“There are a number of people that don't get vaccinated because they don't have the time, but they don't fully appreciate the importance and the seriousness of it,” Fauci said Thursday. “If you can make it easier for them to get vaccinated, you may win over at least a segment of the people who, for one reason or another, do not want to get vaccinated.”

As for who will be at the head of the line to receive any approved vaccines, Fauci told the forum that a committee of medical and public health experts will advise the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, since it’s likely that sufficient doses will not be available right away.

Remainder of article at: https://www.sfchronicle.com...

[Joe Hillshoist]

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Is this funded by the Koch Brothers? And right now, damn f'ing right the WHO and Gates are FAR more damaging to the world than the f'ing diminishing influence of the Koch Bros.

Also: what do you mean by "completely ignore the long-term effects"? How do you define "long-term"? Hasn't been a year yet.

Where are these studies and/or figures that demonstrate substantive long-term effects, outside of outliers?

The obvious must also be stated: the standard flu, pneumonia, and just about any illness that effects the respiratory system has the potential for lingering/long-term damage. This is not relegated to COVID alone.


Thousands of real, actual scientists have signed that declaration so far. Clearly, there is merit to their statements. Or what: are they ALL compromised actors, then?

And what of Fauci, a govt spokesperson?

Sweden is a real-world example of the declaration in action. Good for the Swedes, marching to their own drum.

I won't let petty Establishment political leanings distract from the ongoing criminality in place since the onset of this... pandemic.

I dunno what is happening in the rest of the world. Where I live we haven't really even had a real lockdown. My mums home state, Victoria has one. It's a bit of a mess.

Okay so here is the thing.

This demand to return to normal is a demand to return to the previous matrix of control (for lack of a better term). At least that is how I see it. I don't understand the reaction to this virus except as cry for our former chains. The way the world worked was fucked. This economic lockdown may have brought the biosphere another few years if nothing else.

[Belligerent Savant]

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Joe H:

demand to return to normal is a demand to return to the previous matrix of control

Indeed, which is a far better option than their currently-planned matrix of control, and it's not even close.
These are the cards we are being dealt right now. There may be off-grid options a number of us may entertain in the years ahead, in an effort to appropriate a reprieve from the madness.

I raise a glass to any of us that venture forth in defiance of the control mechanisms.

[conniption]

Global Report
2019-nCoV
novel coronavirus

Summary of Facts
Date of publication: Sept. 2020


https://online.anyflip.com/inblw/ufbs/m ... yJb60yaXmc

[Joe Hillshoist]

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Joe H:

demand to return to normal is a demand to return to the previous matrix of control

Indeed, which is a far better option than their currently-planned matrix of control, and it's not even close.
These are the cards we are being dealt right now. There may be off-grid options a number of us may entertain in the years ahead, in an effort to appropriate a reprieve from the madness.

I raise a glass to any of us that venture forth in defiance of the control mechanisms.

I live in the bush, out the back of Nimbin. My life for decades could be described in the book Outlaws in Babylon. I don't really live in that matrix of control, except at a minimal level which is almost impossible to escape in this society. I live by cash, own very few assets and what have you, don't own property or shares, don't have medical insurance, superannuation or any of the other necessities. I've put in tax returns every year since '91. Honest. If you're reading this ATO.

I work when it's available, do volunteer work, send my kids to school and all that stuff. I'm not isolated from my community. But the nearest town is 20 km away.

My local council area still hasn't recorded a case of COVID. There hasn't been one within 00kms for months, except north across the state border in Queensland. Some people were wearing masks here in March. We were all using hand sanitiser and sterilising everything back then.

I'm very far removed from someone living in NYC months ago or even metro Melbourne right now.

So I guess I'm not really in a position to judge how this hits other people.

[Belligerent Savant]

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Enviable position.

In contrast, I live within ~25 miles of NYC and have daughters at an age that, for now, require my participation in certain aspects of control mechanisms, but i continue to explore other options.

One day, perhaps. The one lining in this current shift attempt is that it appears many no longer need to be tethered to a metro area. The more resilient metro areas will evolve and adapt, however.

[Belligerent Savant]

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Dr David Nabarro, the WHO's Special Envoy on Covid-19, tells Andrew Neil: 'We really do appeal to all world leaders: stop using lockdown as your primary control method'. Watch the full interview here: https://youtu.be/x8oH7cBxgwE?t=915 #SpectatorTV @afneil | @davidnabarro