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Re: US Presidential Election 2020

Postby stickdog99 » Tue Oct 20, 2020 5:00 pm

The establishment's collective response to the Hunter Biden emails may one of the scariest development to date in a long line of dystopian nightmares.

Nobody in our entire political, corporate, technological and/or media establishment is denying the veracity of the emails. Not even the Bidens themselves. So we are all forced to accept the veracity of these emails.

However, everybody in our entire political, corporate, technological and/or media establishment is falling all over themselves to debase and deride any media outlet with the temerity to publish, disseminate, or discuss these emails. Everybody in our entire political, corporate, technological and/or media is doing everything in their power to censor and/or vilify the content of these obviously real emails. And everybody in our entire political, corporate, technological and/or media is doing everything in their power to debase the content of these emails with the spurious specter of "Russian interference."

Is this what we can expect from a Biden administration? Lockstep Pravda media worship and gaslighting? Widespread vilification and platform censorship of any valid reporting and analysis of any Biden scandals, corruption, or missteps in leadership? And if all else fails, reflexive blame of a Russian bogeyman anytime anything goes wrong or anyone legitimately protests anything?
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Re: US Presidential Election 2020

Postby Belligerent Savant » Tue Oct 20, 2020 7:00 pm

^^^^^^^
spot-on.
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Re: US Presidential Election 2020

Postby Marionumber1 » Tue Oct 20, 2020 8:26 pm

DrEvil » Tue Oct 20, 2020 4:46 pm wrote:I get what you're saying and I would dearly love to see Facebook and Twitter burned to the ground, but they're well within their rights to ban whatever they want for any reason (pretty sure Murdoch-controlled tabloids aren't a protected class. Yet). The alternative would be to force people to carry speech they disagree with or legislate specifically for companies like FB and Twitter. The NY Post doesn't have a right to use someone else's soap box.


I know this argument is technically true but it's never been satisfying to me. The fact that free speech is only legally protected when it comes to government entities threatening that right doesn't mean that non-government entities suppressing free speech (within reason; there is obviously good cause to suppress harassment, threats, doxxing, and outright bigotry provided that "hate speech" isn't defined too liberally) should get a free pass from being called out on it. And this is especially true when we are talking about social media platforms like Facebook and Twitter, that have a massive level of power over global communication and present themselves as open discussion forums. It's easy for them to say "Go to another platform if you don't like it" but then how do you reach the vast majority of people who are only on the mainstream ones? Their actions really aren't justifiable in any sense other than being technically legal.
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Re: US Presidential Election 2020

Postby norton ash » Tue Oct 20, 2020 9:25 pm

Trump and the Republicans need to be fucking CRUSHED. Biden's badness and the corporate Dems can be sorted out later. The NY Post story sure smells like bullshit, btw, and Biden's smart not to respond to it unless he has to.
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Re: US Presidential Election 2020

Postby JackRiddler » Tue Oct 20, 2020 10:04 pm

norton ash » Tue Oct 20, 2020 8:25 pm wrote:Trump and the Republicans need to be fucking CRUSHED. Biden's badness and the corporate Dems can be sorted out later. The NY Post story sure smells like bullshit, btw, and Biden's smart not to respond to it unless he has to.


Nah, the part that smells (very much) like bullshit is about the sourcing of the material. The material itself looks just like the routine, class-wide corruption that one expects, a grifter son of the political management class raking in the opportunities for grift as they are offered to him.
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Re: US Presidential Election 2020

Postby norton ash » Tue Oct 20, 2020 10:37 pm

Agreed on the smelly sourcing, and the banality of nepotism/grafting/influence in this climate. Like anyone would care.
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Re: US Presidential Election 2020

Postby JackRiddler » Tue Oct 20, 2020 11:59 pm

norton ash » Tue Oct 20, 2020 9:37 pm wrote:Agreed on the smelly sourcing, and the banality of nepotism/grafting/influence in this climate. Like anyone would care.


But I do and everyone should. Just because it's routine and old news is no excuse for tolerating systemic corruption on this scale, or (even worse) the new kind of cover-up in which the obvious is denied by corporate-media fiat. It is not appropriate, it should not be routine, it is wrong, it damages all of us. This should not be downplayed any more than the Trump Org/Mob operations should be ignored. As the now openly fascist candidate, Trump has to go first, sure. And after that Biden and the corporate Democrats have to be unseated.
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Re: US Presidential Election 2020

Postby stickdog99 » Wed Oct 21, 2020 1:05 am

norton ash » 21 Oct 2020 02:37 wrote:Agreed on the smelly sourcing, and the banality of nepotism/grafting/influence in this climate. Like anyone would care.


I guess that I just don't get "by any means necessary" partisan hack apologists.

Consider if the NY Times' account and any and all accounts linking to the NY Times' article were all banned by Twitter and Facebook for publishing Trump's tax returns because of "shady sourcing." Where would you stand on that development? So how is it somehow OK when it's done to benefit your "team"?
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Re: US Presidential Election 2020

Postby RocketMan » Wed Oct 21, 2020 6:33 am

I agree wholeheartedly with this. Jaded cynicism and indifference in the end is soul-destroying.

And it feeds into the impulse to go back to disgruntled passive acquiescence during a prospective Biden term. I think staying angry is good, as long as it doesn't methastasize into something that makes one passive and frozen in place.

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norton ash » Tue Oct 20, 2020 9:37 pm wrote:Agreed on the smelly sourcing, and the banality of nepotism/grafting/influence in this climate. Like anyone would care.


But I do and everyone should. Just because it's routine and old news is no excuse for tolerating systemic corruption on this scale, or (even worse) the new kind of cover-up in which the obvious is denied by corporate-media fiat. It is not appropriate, it should not be routine, it is wrong, it damages all of us. This should not be downplayed any more than the Trump Org/Mob operations should be ignored. As the now openly fascist candidate, Trump has to go first, sure. And after that Biden and the corporate Democrats have to be unseated.
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Re: US Presidential Election 2020

Postby norton ash » Wed Oct 21, 2020 12:59 pm

stickdog99 » Wed Oct 21, 2020 12:05 am wrote:
norton ash » 21 Oct 2020 02:37 wrote:Agreed on the smelly sourcing, and the banality of nepotism/grafting/influence in this climate. Like anyone would care.


I guess that I just don't get "by any means necessary" partisan hack apologists.

Consider if the NY Times' account and any and all accounts linking to the NY Times' article were all banned by Twitter and Facebook for publishing Trump's tax returns because of "shady sourcing." Where would you stand on that development? So how is it somehow OK when it's done to benefit your "team"?


I don't have a "team" and I agree that corruption should be exposed at all levels. Facebook and Twitter also stink, and if they censor, there are other places to go. I'm glad that Trump's China banking is coming to light. Jared and Ivanka make tens of millions. So I'm saying the Hunter Biden stuff is pretty small in this rotten context, and I'm pleased as an individual-- not for my 'team --that Trump's attacks are going to be weak even if the Biden stuff is true. Trump is much worse on China, Ukraine, and nepotism already.
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Re: US Presidential Election 2020

Postby stickdog99 » Wed Oct 21, 2020 3:23 pm

norton ash » 21 Oct 2020 16:59 wrote:
stickdog99 » Wed Oct 21, 2020 12:05 am wrote:
norton ash » 21 Oct 2020 02:37 wrote:Agreed on the smelly sourcing, and the banality of nepotism/grafting/influence in this climate. Like anyone would care.


I guess that I just don't get "by any means necessary" partisan hack apologists.

Consider if the NY Times' account and any and all accounts linking to the NY Times' article were all banned by Twitter and Facebook for publishing Trump's tax returns because of "shady sourcing." Where would you stand on that development? So how is it somehow OK when it's done to benefit your "team"?


I don't have a "team" and I agree that corruption should be exposed at all levels. Facebook and Twitter also stink, and if they censor, there are other places to go. I'm glad that Trump's China banking is coming to light. Jared and Ivanka make tens of millions. So I'm saying the Hunter Biden stuff is pretty small in this rotten context, and I'm pleased as an individual-- not for my 'team --that Trump's attacks are going to be weak even if the Biden stuff is true. Trump is much worse on China, Ukraine, and nepotism already.


I agree, But nobody is actively censoring true attacks on Trump. And Facebook and Twitter are basically an oligopoly when it comes to the dissemination of online information right now. I don't get how liberals can so blithely dismiss an oligopoly's unjustifiable censorship of true governmental corruption just because this corruption happens to involve their favored candidate.

Again, how would you react if these platforms suspended any account that tried to post the NY Times' new article on Trump and China? Are you telling me that you would not see that as a problem?
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Re: US Presidential Election 2020

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Re: US Presidential Election 2020

Postby norton ash » Wed Oct 21, 2020 4:21 pm

https://nypost.com/2020/10/21/posts-rep ... -blocking/

Don't worry, this weak-ass story is making the rounds just as you want it to. Available in dystopias everywhere.

Edited to add: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/18/busi ... biden.html

As deadline approached, editors pressed staff members to add their bylines to the story — and at least one aside from Mr. Golding refused, two Post journalists said. A Post spokeswoman had no comment on how the article was written or edited.

Headlined “BIDEN SECRET E-MAILS,” the article appeared Wednesday with two bylines: Emma-Jo Morris, a deputy politics editor who joined the paper after four years at the Murdoch-owned Fox News, and Gabrielle Fonrouge, a Post reporter since 2014.

Ms. Morris did not have a bylined article in The Post before Wednesday, a search of its website showed. She arrived at the tabloid in April after working as an associate producer on Sean Hannity’s Fox News show, according to her LinkedIn profile. Her Instagram account, which was set to private on Wednesday, included photos of her posing with the former Trump administration members Mr. Bannon and Sarah Huckabee Sanders, as well as Roger J. Stone Jr., a friend and former campaign adviser to Mr. Trump. (In July, the president commuted the sentence of Mr. Stone on seven felonies.)

Ms. Fonrouge had little to do with the reporting or writing of the article, said three people with knowledge of how it was prepared. She learned that her byline was on the story only after it was published, the people said.


Now why on earth would anyone doubt the veracity of this story?
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Re: US Presidential Election 2020

Postby norton ash » Wed Oct 21, 2020 7:42 pm

Rudy Giuliani Caught on Camera Attempting to Seduce Borat’s “15-Year-Old Daughter”
The new Borat movie features Donald Trump's personal attorney in a compromising situation

Towards the end of the film, 24-year-old actress Irina Nowak, playing the role of Borat’s 15-year-old daughter Tutar Sagdiyev, sits down for an interview with Giuliani in a New York City hotel room. After she gins him up with a series of compliments and red meat questions related to China, she invites Giuliani into the next room for a drink. Once in the bedroom (which has been rigged with hidden cameras), Giuliani sits on the bed and begins touching Tutar’s back. She removes his microphone, and Giuliani untucks his shirt and reaches into his trousers.

Borat, wearing a red bra and panties, then bursts into the room and yells, “She’s 15! She’s too old for you. Please, take me instead!” Giuliani promptly exits the room, and Borat and Tutar are then seen running down the sidewalk to the wail of police sirens.


Sacha Baron Cohen appears to have royally fucked Giuliani. Hear hear.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/entertainment/r ... -1.5771519
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Re: US Presidential Election 2020

Postby Grizzly » Wed Oct 21, 2020 8:41 pm

^^^

Yeah, and the mockingbird press wont show Obiden, sniffing and touching children inappropriately.
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