Any rigorous intuition about the social media beheading?

[stickdog99]

https://nation.africa/kenya/life-and-st ... ad-2720330

Apparently, Abdoulhak Anzorov, who killed Mwalimu Paty, was an adept user of modern technology. Coming from more than 60 kilometres away, he was able to liaise with his local cell of terrorists at Bois d’Aulne, and even know who to bribe to point out his victim to him.

[DrEvil]

My immediate reaction was that it was exactly what it looked like. Teacher pisses off religious fucknuts who rant about it on social media. One guy sees this and decides to behead the infidel, goes to his school, pays a couple of kids to point him out and kills him.

I haven't looked too closely at it, so if there are any red flags I'm unaware of I'd love to hear them.

[Harvey]

Centuries of increasing aggression against Islamic culture is probably the missing context. Gleefully shitting on their religion was probably just a final straw. (Edit: referring to the (coke fuelled?) Charlie Hebdo cartoons themselves, not the teacher nor the value of free speech, obviously.)

In light of all that we know about the creation and media management of 'ISIS' especially their funding, I'm surprised there hasn't been any serious academic re-evaluation of the bloodbaths that helped catapult Macron into power. Bear in mind, all of that took place against the backdrop of France returning to the NATO fold* after the schism over Iraq, quite visibly through their involvement in Syria.



*Edit: and subsequently becoming the latest country to fall to the neo-liberal bible of privatisation, a five hundred page blue print written primarily by alumni of the Chicago School of Economics, the 'Brick' as it was known in Chile. Perhaps Roger Waters was referring to this while writing The Wall?

[stickdog99]

My immediate reaction was that it was exactly what it looked like. Teacher pisses off religious fucknuts who rant about it on social media. One guy sees this and decides to behead the infidel, goes to his school, pays a couple of kids to point him out and kills him.

I haven't looked too closely at it, so if there are any red flags I'm unaware of I'd love to hear them.

Me, either. The only "red flags" tor me is how did a teenager manage to chop off someone's head in the heart of Paris and manage to post the pictures of his crime on social media before anybody did anything to stop this? I am not saying this is impossible, but I am saying that I have (fortunately) never heard of such a thing happening up until now and that the whole event has quite a "shock and awe" feel to it.

But I cannot find any articles that so much as ask (much less answer) the question of how and why bystanders did nothing while this guy committed a public murder and then proceeded to post his murder porn. Nor have I seen any details about how the police handled the situation from that point on. I was just wondering if someone else knew more about this because I don't feel like getting into the gory details myself if there is reasonable "lone swordsman" explanation for this heinous act.

[mentalgongfu2]

But I cannot find any articles that so much as ask (much less answer) the question of how and why bystanders did nothing while this guy committed a public murder and then proceeded to post his murder porn.

As to how bystanders could do nothing, I can offer no special insight into this particular case other than my belief that this is how most people would react. Shocked and immobile if not running away. That is why they are called bystanders, isn't it? 3 days ago a 24 year-old woman shot a 29 year-old mother of five to death inside a Chuck E. Cheese ( a pizza place/arcade for children's birthday parties) in my old hometown of Davenport, Iowa. No one did anything to stop it there, or to capture her after. She wasn't arrested until the next day. You probably haven't heard about it, because there's no juicy angle like Islam vs. the West as there is in this story. But is it really that different? I don't know if the alleged murderer posted about it to social media, but they certainly could have if they wished to do so. They had plenty of time.

I think the question of "how and why bystanders did nothing" is besides the point, and actually obscures it. Davenport is nowhere near as large as Paris, but this was as public an execution as one could have. In front of children, no less.At a place known for birthday pizza parties and games. And frankly, I don't think a beheading is innately more violent than being shot or provides more opportunity for intervention. People like to believe they would "do something" in a moment like this. I would like to believe that of myself. But real-world evidence constantly contradicts it.

https://qctimes.com/news/local/woman-charged-with-murder-held-without-bond-in-connection-to-chuck-e-cheese-shooting/article_3e411fbf-2dd9-5b63-bc34-c54a75229087.html

[Joe Hillshoist]

My immediate reaction was that it was exactly what it looked like. Teacher pisses off religious fucknuts who rant about it on social media. One guy sees this and decides to behead the infidel, goes to his school, pays a couple of kids to point him out and kills him.

I haven't looked too closely at it, so if there are any red flags I'm unaware of I'd love to hear them.

Me, either. The only "red flags" tor me is how did a teenager manage to chop off someone's head in the heart of Paris and manage to post the pictures of his crime on social media before anybody did anything to stop this? I am not saying this is impossible, but I am saying that I have (fortunately) never heard of such a thing happening up until now and that the whole event has quite a "shock and awe" feel to it.

But I cannot find any articles that so much as ask (much less answer) the question of how and why bystanders did nothing while this guy committed a public murder and then proceeded to post his murder porn. Nor have I seen any details about how the police handled the situation from that point on. I was just wondering if someone else knew more about this because I don't feel like getting into the gory details myself if there is reasonable "lone swordsman" explanation for this heinous act.

What would you do f you saw someone murdering someone with a machete?

Do you have the first clue about how to try and stop them?

Are you prepared to bash someone in the head with a blunt object until they are possibly dead, putting your own life at risk and potentially acting too late to save the victim anyway?

When Mike Tyson was the scariest human on earth he was 19. Unless you are tough it's hard to fight teenagers, especially with a knife.

Not having a go at you but these situations are scary andyouhave to act quickly and decisively and be brutal about it. It's hard for most people to approach that frame of mind without some sort of training.

I think the murderer was shot by coppers..

[Joe Hillshoist]

This is worth reading:

Of poor teachers and the sad ‘machete’ end of our road
Saturday, October 24, 2020

What you need to know:
Both Mwalimu Paty and his attacker, Anzorov, are dead, the latter gunned down by police shortly after his act.
Terrorists are terrorists and their subscription is to terror, and not to Islam, as such phrases wrongly suggest.
If you teach what we do not want to hear, we cut off your head.


Beware, teacher. If you teach what we do not want to hear, we cut off your head. That is all. C’est tout. We are in Paris, France, in the fall of 2020, and teaching has become, literally, a matter of life and death. Or maybe it has always been and we did not know it.
Mwalimu Samuel Paty of the Bois d’Aulne Secondary School, some thirty kilometres northwest of Paris, did not know that teaching his class would lead to his being beheaded by a machete-wielding maniac. Well, it did, Friday last week, when Abdoulakh Anzorov waylaid the good teacher just outside his school and, in broad daylight, made him “shorter by a head” with a big knife.
Both Mwalimu Paty and his attacker, Anzorov, are dead, the latter gunned down by police shortly after his act. The powers-that-be and the French masses have since denounced and condemned Anzorov as an enemy of the Republic and an “Islamist” terrorist. We will return to this “Islamist” label presently.
Mwalimu Paty, on the other hand, is a national shujaa (hero), conferred with a posthumous “Legion d’honneur”, France’s highest civilian decoration. It is an emotional and complex story, and it is difficult to choose on what aspects of it the commentator should focus.
Pedagogical experiences

My simple teacher’s mind, however, is hovering over three interrelated angles, directly connected to our own pedagogical experiences of education, terrorism and freedom of speech. Since I am a teacher, and the incident we are discussing started within a classroom situation, it will not surprise you that my rap will begin and end with what we teach, how (and why) we teach it and what outcomes we might expect.
Mwalimu Paty was reported to have given his students a lesson on freedom of expression. He used as his visual aids some of the infamous “Mohamed” cartoons by the Danish newspaper, Jyllands-Posten.

Republication, 15 years ago, of these cartoons in the French weekly Charlie Hebdo led, and continues to lead, to horrendous terrorist attacks in Paris, including the one that claimed Mwalimu’s life. The Danish Prime Minister at the time called the anti-Danish response to the cartoons’ first appearance the country’s “worst international relations incident since the Second World War.” Was Prof Paty not aware of these facts when he chose the material for his class?

almost certainly was, and this is what brings us to the delicate problem of “freedom of speech”. The moral principle is that there is no such things as absolute freedom. Any claim of “freedom” that infringes on another’s freedom is only irresponsible egotism. In our increasingly pluralistic societies, consideration of the views and sensitivities of our neighbours is imperative.
Sexist chauvinism

Reckless and aggressive indulgence in racist, sectarian, tribalistic and sexist chauvinism cannot be justified as freedom of expression. Whether you are a cartoonist, a politician, a newspaper columnist, a preacher or a teacher, and especially a teacher, total sensitivity to and respect of your fellow human beings is indispensable. Indeed, that is the main value of the humanities, like history, which was marehemu Paty’s subject.
Mere competence, like the much-vaunted STEM (science, technology, engineering, maths) model, cannot get us out of the depressing cycles of violence that we witness in such disasters as the “Muhammad” cartoons. Apparently, Abdoulhak Anzorov, who killed Mwalimu Paty, was an adept user of modern technology. Coming from more than 60 kilometres away, he was able to liaise with his local cell of terrorists at Bois d’Aulne, and even know who to bribe to point out his victim to him.
What was particularly lacking in his education, and in his grasp on reality, was the human factor. This is seen in his lack of understanding that, since he did not have the “creative utterance” to make a human life, he simply had no right to take one. Equally pathetic was his total unawareness that violence only breeds violence and it does not offer viable solutions to perversions like racial or religious intolerance.
Sadly, this ignorance was displayed by even some official quarters, responding to Mwalimu Paty’s murder with threats of using the “full force of the law to crush and exterminate” all the pockets of intolerance and terrorism in our society. It is true that the law and the demands of public security have to take their course. But we must understand that radicalisation and the resultant dehumanisation and terrorism are a multi-faceted problem, requiring a multi-pronged approach, especially through education.
This brings me to the two most important points I would like to make. The first is about religion and the second is, of course, the mwalimu’s or educational role in the avoidance of insensitive social relations and the resultant violence. I believe I have mentioned to you that the term “mwalimu” has indelible religious and spiritual connotations in my native Uganda.
Spiritual guides

I share those assumptions about all teachers, especially those of the humanities. We are moral and spiritual guides to our charges. When, indeed, we have to educate our young people in matters religious, we must ensure that we make to them as clear as possible the difference between genuine faith and false opportunism and perversity.
Otherwise, evil self-seekers will, and do, hide behind claims of “faith, religion, salvation, ideology” and suchlike to mislead and misuse our youth, for their own evil ends. There is, for example, no Islam, jihad or divine service in the slaughter of innocent unarmed people, as we have witnessed in many instances. I should also make it a point here to caution those people who jump up with such thoughtless phrases as “Islamist terrorism”.
Terrorists are terrorists and their subscription is to terror, and not to Islam, as such phrases wrongly suggest. Islamic leaders, scholars and teachers must make every effort to make those distinctions clear in the minds of their followers, and most of them are doing so. Enlightened followers of other faiths should meet their efforts with equal diligence.

They should endeavour, for instance, to avoid and discourage those islamophobic attitudes and expressions common in these “toxic” times.

https://nation.africa/kenya/life-and-st ... ad-2720330

[stickdog99]

OK, so I see nobody knows any more about it except that it's totally normal and expected.

[Harvey]

OK, so I see nobody knows any more about it except that it's totally normal and expected.

OK, I see that you have some intuition but prefer to allude to it and tell us what we think, rather than spell it out.

[Harvey]

I am not saying this is impossible, but I am saying that I have (fortunately) never heard of such a thing happening up until now and that the whole event has quite a "shock and awe" feel to it.

The murder of Lee Rigby is, at least on the surface, similar.

[Joe Hillshoist]

OK, so I see nobody knows any more about it except that it's totally normal and expected.

It is now.

This website ... We've seen this happen over the last decade plus. It used to be things like this could be tied to organisations with connections to various deep state entities. But now the world is MK Ultra - programming people to do this shit.

That article by that African teacher says that it is expected. Not I so many words but that is the subtext.

Read The Stranger by Camus.

Then think "how can we tweak this to fuck things up." That is what happens now.

[Joe Hillshoist]

I am not saying this is impossible, but I am saying that I have (fortunately) never heard of such a thing happening up until now and that the whole event has quite a "shock and awe" feel to it.

The murder of Lee Rigby is, at least on the surface, similar.

And when Vince Li killed Tim McLean on a greyhound bus it is on the surface not similar but ..... I dunno about that.

[BenDhyan]

Copy cat?

Three dead as woman beheaded in knife attack at French church

October 29, 2020

NICE, France (Reuters) - A knife-wielding attacker shouting “Allahu Akbar” beheaded a woman and killed two other people in a suspected terrorist incident at a church in the French city of Nice on Thursday, police and officials said.

Nice’s mayor, Christian Estrosi, who described the attack as terrorism, said on Twitter it had happened in or near Notre Dame church, the largest in the city.

Estrosi said the attacker had repeatedly shouted the phrase “Allahu Akbar”, or God is greatest, even after he had been detained by police.

One of the people killed inside the church was believed to be the church warden, Estrosi said, adding that a woman had tried to escape from inside the church and had fled into a bar opposite the 19th century neo-Gothic building.

“The suspected knife attacker was shot by police while being detained, he is on his way to hospital, he is alive,” Estrosi told reporters.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-france-security-nice/three-dead-as-woman-beheaded-in-knife-attack-at-french-church-idUSKBN27E17D

[Harvey]

I am not saying this is impossible, but I am saying that I have (fortunately) never heard of such a thing happening up until now and that the whole event has quite a "shock and awe" feel to it.

The murder of Lee Rigby is, at least on the surface, similar.

And when Vince Li killed Tim McLean on a greyhound bus it is on the surface not similar but ..... I dunno about that.

Yes, that came to mind, but it seemed less related, if no less mad... but yes, my intuition pinged me the same.

[PufPuf93]

Not hard to predict that there will be more social media beheadings and similar in the immediate future than in the not so recent past.

Fragile times.