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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby liminalOyster » Sat Jan 02, 2021 10:34 pm

Man I literally left RI over this stuff. I won't say much except the following: I've not been subject to any "lockdown" of any form and don't know anyone else anywhere in the U.S. who has. I saw it happen in Asia and Australia and marginally in the UK. But "lockdown" in the U.S.?

FFS.

More like: wash your hands, wear a mask and try not to socialize very much and for a few months maybe some restaurants and bars will be closed or at partial capacity.

I can probably count 10-12 dead within one degree of separation and tons who've been sick.

Everything remains open where I am, pretty much and the schools are open and it's totally gross to watch the rates (and death rates) in the Black community vs the white one.

But I'm fairly certain there's nothing whatsoever I could post here that would lead anywhere useful.

So, anyways.... I actually just dropped by to post this Naomi Klein piece -- just the link since most likely it's already been posted since. left -- much worth a read for a sober return to form about how longitudinal the gross excess of the WEF et al remains.

Peace. I miss you all. Wish it was a more welcome place for us fucking lunatics who have good reason, experience, geography to see this differently.

Cheers.

https://theintercept.com/2020/12/08/gre ... onspiracy/
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Belligerent Savant » Sun Jan 03, 2021 12:13 am

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Ah yes, Naomi Klein. Her recent turn as apologist for Empire is disappointing.

But of course, some won't see it that way... at least not right now.

Leave y'all with Jeff Wells musings. His twitter posts are the perfect litmus test. One or more of you here will view Mr. Wells as having gone off the deep end on this COVID thing.

Others will be in alignment with him.

I think it's quite clear where I stand.

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AND:

Hopefully this won't turn out to be a prelude --

https://www.nysenate.gov//legislation/bills/2021/A416

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I never said this virus doesn't exist, FFS. I never suggested this virus wouldn't take lives. All manner of diseases and viruses take lives every year. Outside of the outliers (those over 70 or otherwise with serious co-morbidities), this virus is like a flu for the overwhelming majority (actually: more children have died from the flu in prior years, than from COVID. Thankfully this strain has mostly spared them to this point). FOCUS should be on those that are at HIGHER RISK, NOT those that are at LOW RISK. We can mitigate lives lost without ruining or losing additional lives unnecessarily.

Look at the raw data. Assess the ACTUAL RISK. TAKE PRECAUTIONS, of course. In addition to washing hands, getting adequate sunlight and fresh air are important to maintain a healthy immune system. Ensure you have more than adequate Vitamin D levels. Avoid stress, or living in Fear (as it only increases your chance of getting ill -- watching the f'ing NEWS/fear porn out there will likely only increase both stress & fear, though it's difficult to avoid stress if you're on the verge of losing your job, or already have lost your job, like MILLIONS of others over the past year, thanks to heavy-handed lockdown measures).

Stress, depression, fear, lack of sun exposure, lack of adequate vitamin D, lack of real-world, in the flesh interaction with family/friends/neighbors/fellow humans: all of this, and more, increases the chances of otherwise healthy individuals catching a virus. Not coincidentally, all of these negative traits have increased dramatically over the past ~year. When your immunity is weakened, a virus can be more damaging, unfortunately.

LIES ARE BEING TOLD. Metrics/figures have been misleading.

This is not what you've been led to believe it is.

Or simply ignore all the above and carry on. However you prefer.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby conniption » Sun Jan 03, 2021 6:53 am

Catherine Austin Fitts | Full Interview | Planet Lockdown


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1-0XKY ... =emb_title

•Dec 22, 2020
Truth Matters


This sit down interview with Catherine covers the spectrum of the current situation we find ourselves in.

It was conducted as apart of the full length documentary. We are releasing the full interview for the betterment of public understanding of the situation.

Catherine's analysis can be found at:
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The full film, when released, will be available at https://www.PlanetLockdownFilm.com

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On Bitchute as well:
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Someone created a French version that can be found here:
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby dada » Sun Jan 03, 2021 8:47 pm

If Jeff Wells ever starts another pr tie-in message board, I think it could be called Righteous Indignation.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby dada » Mon Jan 04, 2021 1:54 am

Naomi Klein has kept perspective. I think her soul has suffered for it.

That's what soul is all about, isn't it. Lose it, or keep it and suffer.

She doesn't offer any solutions, there is no happy ending for us. Yet the soul shines through.

Reading her latest, I remember reading something she wrote, seems like eons ago, about the poet murdered by the oil company. Assassinated him. I feel terrible that I don't remember the poet's name, or what country he was from. But I remember the oil company. It's horrible.

I bet she remembers that poet, every day. Probably helps to keep things in perspective.
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Re: Manufactured 'Contagion' - Coronavirus Edition

Postby Belligerent Savant » Tue Jan 05, 2021 3:04 pm

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Prescient.

MacCruiskeen » Tue Mar 17, 2020 11:48 am wrote:One thing's already certain: This manufactured hysteria is going to killl many, many, many more people than CORVID-9/11 ever did or ever will, and nearly all of them will be old and/or poor.

Today in Germany it was announced that foodbanks will be closing down, for fear of CORVID-9/11. Many poor people -- and that includes many working people -- are going to have even poorer diets than hitherto, some may actually starve to death, and all will have their immune systems drastically weakened by fear, stress and worry, for themselves and for their children. (Will any of these fucking "experts" actually bother testing any of these un-rich, un-powerful people to see if there's been (for instance) a sharp spike in their adrenaline levels, or a rise in their blood-pressure and heartrate since the lockdown started? Like hell.)

(Will actual soup kitchens be the next to go? The last resort of the actually homeless? And who will give them a dime when cash is abolished ("because of the virus")?

Homeless or not, the poor are going to become pariahs. People (I mean real people, the kind of people who matter) are going to avoid them and their devastated immune systems like plague rats; because after all, they might be carrying The Virus and it's irresponsible of them to be out & about at all.

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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby DrEvil » Tue Jan 05, 2021 5:54 pm

And wrong, specifically this part:

This manufactured hysteria is going to killl many, many, many more people than CORVID-9/11 ever did or ever will, and nearly all of them will be old and/or poor


Last I checked excess deaths in the US up to the middle of November was 20% above normal. That's a lot, and most of it (about 80%) was from Covid-19, not starvation.*


*That is of course assuming you believe official numbers are more or less correct. If you don't you should be consistent and don't base any argument on any numbers coming from an official source.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Belligerent Savant » Tue Jan 05, 2021 9:06 pm

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Excess deaths, if any, are largely due to lockdowns, not this damned virus. "COVID Death" figures are misleading/inflated due to highly dubious criteria for defining a 'covid death', not to mention monetary incentives in place for hospitals to reach a certain covid death threshold.

The lies being told are egregious. But those following official tallies won't see it that way.

There's nothing more for me to contribute here on this. One either subscribes to the media/govt storylines regarding this 'pandemic', or they don't. Lives will continue to be lost in the meantime.

[minor thought exercise: what would we be experiencing in this world today if this virus occurred without the existence of the internet or cable TV? Answer: a slightly-more-serious-than-average flu season, at best.]

https://www.nbcbayarea.com/investigatio ... e/2376796/

Stanford Professor Warns COVID Shelter-in-Place Orders Are ‘Killing People'

Infectious disease experts and epidemiologists from universities like Stanford, Yale, Harvard and Oxford say current shelter-in-place policies are not effectively protecting vulnerable people from COVID-19, while devastating public health in ways that will lead to irreparable harm for years to come.

Published October 7, 2020 • Updated on October 19, 2020 at 1:41 pm


Dr. John Ioannidis is among a growing number of scientists who believe the current shelter-in-place orders in California continue to impose excessive and potentially harmful measures on most of the population, while failing to adopt strong enough restrictions to adequately protect those who are most vulnerable to the coronavirus.

Ioannidis believes the initial lockdown was the right approach in March, when little was known about COVID-19. Now, however, that more data is available, he is calling for more extreme protections for people who are at high risk of infection, including the elderly and those with heart disease, diabetes and pulmonary disorders.
Vulnerable people, he believes, should continue to shelter in place, and anyone living or working in a high risk setting should receive weekly COVID-19 testing and careful contact tracing. He recommends similar measures for meat packing plants, prisons and especially nursing homes, where Centers for Disease Control data shows about one-third of all deaths have occurred.

At the same time, Ioannidis is convinced that shelter in place orders are doing great harm to the rest of society.

“We know that 95% of the population has practically minimal risk,” he said, adding “It's unlikely that in the current situation we are really saving lives. I think that probably we're killing people by following some of these measures for forever.”

According to the American College of Emergency Physicians, 29% of Americans are avoiding or delaying medical care due to fear of catching the coronavirus.

Dominic Battel, a 38-year-old father of two, put off going to the hospital after feeling chest pains. It was a Sunday in April and he spent the day working on his house and playing with his kids. His wife, Cortney, said Dominic was afraid if he went to the hospital he would catch the coronavirus.

“We felt the messaging was that if you really are, you know, in severe having severe symptoms related to COVID and if you're unable to breathe, then that's really when you should go and kind of otherwise manage the symptoms on your own at home. And I do think that messaging played into that fear and the reluctancy,” said Cortney.

By nightfall, Cortney could see her husband was in serious pain and called 911. As the paramedics arrived and prepared to take Dominic to the hospital, he collapsed.

“We kissed, and to say goodbye - and he said, I love you. And then he went down,” said Cortney.

Dominic died of a heart attack at his home.

“This shouldn’t have happened. He was 38 years old and our story wasn’t over,” said Cortney.

“Shortly after the shelter in place order came in, we saw a fairly significant decline in people seeking medical attention,” said Dr.Chris Colwell, Chief of Emergency Medicine at San Francisco General Hospital.

We've had patients die in the emergency department, and shortly thereafter, having experienced the complications of not seeing medical care earlier, said Colwell, adding that in some cases, people who avoided care, particularly stroke victims, will face longer or less complete recovery because they delayed seeking medical attention.

At least every week we are seeing somebody who is going to suffer and is suffering severe consequences from having delayed care for fear of coming to the hospital,” said Colwell, who stresses that he’s convinced hospitals today are safe environments.

“If you're having severe symptoms like chest pain, like numbness or weakness in extremities, things where you're worried about heart attacks, strokes, diabetes, come to the emergency department. You can absolutely do that safely,” he said.

Aside from delayed medical care, Dr. David Katz, a Yale-trained specialist in preventive medicine and public health, testified before Congress that prolonged shelter-in-place orders can also lead to unemployment, financial hardship, poverty, food insecurity, depression, anxiety, addiction, and suicide.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Belligerent Savant » Tue Jan 05, 2021 9:53 pm

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ok, one more before I hop off:

https://sebastianrushworth.com/2021/01/ ... -to-covid/


Why did the world react so hysterically to covid?

Sebastian Rushworth, M.D.

Over the last few months, I’ve sought to demonstrate that covid is nowhere near as bad as it is portrayed by the mainstream media. I’ve written about how the mortality rate is below 0,2%, meaning that for most people the risk of dying if you get infected is less than one in 500 (and less than one in 3,000 if you’re below 70 years of age). I’ve also written about how the disease preferentially strikes people who are anyway very close to the end of life, so the amount of lifetime lost when someone dies of the disease is usually small. And I’ve noted that 2020 will likely turn out to have been a very average year in terms of overall mortality, in spite of the supposedly deadly pandemic that is currently raging.

Some have countered that covid might not be that deadly, but lots of people have “long covid”. I’ve pointed out that 98% of people who get covid are fully recovered within three months, and that there is no good evidence that covid results in long term health consequences (there is bad evidence, based on low quality science, that has intentionally been used to scare people).

I’ve also pointed out that the measures taken to fight covid, such as the huge fear campaigns, canceled childhood vaccination programs, and school closures, will result in far more years of life lost than will be lost to the virus directly. And the data I’ve used to point out all these things is publicly available, and published in some of the most prestigious and respected scientific journals in the world.

Given that this is the case, what the hell is going on? Lockdowns have in many cases been more severe the second time round than the first time, even though we now know so much more about the virus. It made sense to be extremely careful in March, when little was known about covid-19. It doesn’t make sense any more.

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As I’ve written about earlier, the evidence shows that lockdown is ineffective. And by the time Wuhan went in to lockdown, in February, the virus had already been circulating in China for months, and must have been widely spread throughout the country. Locking down one city in a situation where the virus was already widespread in the country was really a meaningless action, purely done for the purposes of propaganda.

And what was the result? Global media went in to overdrive, spreading the Chinese images across the world. When cases started to appear in other countries, everyone was already primed to see this as a deadly pandemic. Demands were made in both established media and social media that governments take similar action to China, since China’s actions had “clearly” been shown to be so effective. Democratic governments, afraid of losing voters, complied. Voters, seeing increasingly draconian measures being taken by governments, felt that this justified their fear, and became ever more afraid, and ever more demanding. A positive feedback loop was created. And the rest is history.

A hundred years from now, historians will not be talking about covid-19 as an example of a deadly pandemic on par with the Spanish flu. They will be talking about it as an example of how easy it is to induce a state of collective mass hysteria. Given that this is the case, how long will the present hysteria continue?

I think most governments have dug themselves in to a hole in relation to covid. They’ve portrayed it as for more deadly and dangerous than it is. They know this. But to admit the error now is impossible. Partly, that is because lockdown has resulted in so much suffering that it would be suicidal to say that it was all for nothing. Partly it is because the mass media and general public are so convinced of the seriousness of the disease, that any government that argued the contrary would be labeled as irresponsible and deranged.

So, the only way out of the hole is with a magic bullet. And that magic bullet is the vaccine. It doesn’t matter whether the vaccine has any effect whatsoever on overall mortality, or whether it protects the old and infirm, who are at most risk of severe disease, or prevents spread of infection. The only thing that matters is getting out of the hole as quickly as possible, without admitting ever having done anything wrong.

Once enough people have been vaccinated, governments can state that the crisis has been ended. Heads of state can be lauded as heroes. And we can all go on about our lives.

A lot of people have been asking me about my views on the vaccines lately. I’m digging in to the data right now, and should have an in-depth article ready in about a week.

I am rolling out a ton of new science-backed content over the coming months, including:

- Analyses of the benefits and risks of all common supplements and medications;
- The keys to a longer, healthier life (possibly quite different from what you may have heard);
- A long-term follow-up of the health consequences of the covid pandemic and global lockdown.

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If only he'd be right, that this MADNESS will end after the vaccine is mass distributed. He's markedly more idealistic than I am right now.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby dada » Wed Jan 06, 2021 12:38 am

Hysteria



Madness

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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby mentalgongfu2 » Wed Jan 06, 2021 2:35 am

There's nothing more for me to contribute here on this.


Seconded.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby conniption » Wed Jan 06, 2021 3:11 am

mentalgongfu2 » Tue Jan 05, 2021 11:35 pm wrote:
There's nothing more for me to contribute here on this.


Seconded.



You know, remarks like this ^^ are uncalled for.

I will miss Belligerent Savant ... yet again.
That is to say, I wish he would stay.
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Oh you drama kings

Postby JackRiddler » Wed Jan 06, 2021 3:22 pm

Lack even the time to describe how professionally busy and otherwise occupied I've been, or I'd have plenty to say about the merits, deficits, and nuances (or lack thereof) of various arguments advanced here, as well as the associated tonalities, individually and in detail. But it's true, and I suspect Elvis has his busy times too. Since there's such a festival of departure and counter-departure announcements going on, with invitations by others to leave or stay, all as if the debate makes continuation unbearable, allow me to clarify what should be obvious but may not be to everyone. That's all of you talking. Unless I missed something egregious (and hey, that's always possible -- see how I started this paragraph) no one involved in this here is currently being sanctioned, encouraged to leave, or under threat of moderation action for rules breaches. It's all you having it out, or maybe working it out.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby dada » Wed Jan 06, 2021 5:52 pm

Sure, whatever. Happy new year to you too, Jack.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Belligerent Savant » Wed Jan 06, 2021 7:22 pm

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outside of a [frankly petty, but minor] attempt at a jab at my expense upthread, I've no animosity or ill will here. I simply have nothing more to add to this topic that hasn't already been conveyed.

No drama. Not in this forum, at least.

Carry on.
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