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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Belligerent Savant » Tue Feb 02, 2021 1:29 pm

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"Refuting" is the wrong word, as there is nothing substantive other than conjecture being presented -- you can argue my points are conjecture as well; that's fine, though I've shared plenty of case studies and findings since the onset of this thread to corroborate my commentary.

One does not catch a virus by breathing someone else's exhalation in passing. there are many studies on this. LOOK IT UP.

There may be a few countering what I say here. What does that mean? That some may disagree. That's fine. You're welcome to disagree. Others, on the other hand, will largely agree with the points I raise here. You nit-picking specific excerpts doesn't change what's going on out there.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Elvis » Tue Feb 02, 2021 2:29 pm

If a cloth mask is only 20% effective, that's not "useless," that's 20% risk reduction.

Has the term risk management come up? It's an entire field of study.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby PufPuf93 » Tue Feb 02, 2021 3:48 pm

Belligerent Savant » Tue Feb 02, 2021 10:29 am wrote:.

"Refuting" is the wrong word, as there is nothing substantive other than conjecture being presented -- you can argue my points are conjecture as well; that's fine, though I've shared plenty of case studies and findings since the onset of this thread to corroborate my commentary.

One does not catch a virus by breathing someone else's exhalation in passing. there are many studies on this. LOOK IT UP.

There may be a few countering what I say here. What does that mean? That some may disagree. That's fine. You're welcome to disagree. Others, on the other hand, will largely agree with the points I raise here. You nit-picking specific excerpts doesn't change what's going on out there.


Wish you had thought harder about the two examples of how to visually ponder the turbulence of air. The pee steam is an example of how vapor disperses in the open air. The smoke in a room is an example of dispersal in an enclosed space.

Recall the masks are more to stop spread to others.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby DrEvil » Tue Feb 02, 2021 5:26 pm

Belligerent Savant » Tue Feb 02, 2021 7:29 pm wrote:.

"Refuting" is the wrong word, as there is nothing substantive other than conjecture being presented -- you can argue my points are conjecture as well; that's fine, though I've shared plenty of case studies and findings since the onset of this thread to corroborate my commentary.

One does not catch a virus by breathing someone else's exhalation in passing. there are many studies on this. LOOK IT UP.

There may be a few countering what I say here. What does that mean? That some may disagree. That's fine. You're welcome to disagree. Others, on the other hand, will largely agree with the points I raise here. You nit-picking specific excerpts doesn't change what's going on out there.


I'm not nitpicking specific experts, I'm pointing out that the last guy you posted is a crackpot who doesn't believe in viruses.

I know you won't catch the bug by passing someone on the street. I never claimed otherwise. What I have claimed is that masks work. What you've been claiming is that they don't work at all and it's all a big exercise in conditioning and paranoia perpetrated by our corporate overlords.

It's possible that both are true at the same time: masks work and our corporate overlords are assholes. The latter doesn't negate the former.

Also, re. conjecture. Random Twitter threads claiming black genocide with no evidence is conjecture. Lumping scientific papers you don't like into the same category is convenient for you, but not very convincing.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby dada » Tue Feb 02, 2021 5:44 pm

"Broadly speaking, one's natural immunity can handle viruses, if one's immunity is properly maintained and not otherwise compromised due to other illness or factors.

If compromised, additional precautions may well be necessary, of course, but the needs of a few should have ZERO bearing on policies impacting the majority and/or those in relative good health."

Who decides what relative good health means? Like all the obsese, frail, everyone with genetic predispositions or conditions, should all isolate, and let the youthful, fit, beautiful people get on with business as usual.

Staring at their phones. But where do we go from there? Maybe we should separate all the beautiful people from the potentially sick, permanently. Why not make maintaining your immunity improperly a crime, being sick the 'prohibitive act' that must be corrected.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Grizzly » Tue Feb 02, 2021 7:47 pm

Essential Facts Your Doctor Probably Forgot To Tell You about the Covid-19 Vaccine


https://brandnewtube.com/v/MHMdig

Being as YouTube is now in full service to Mockingbird media... I highly suspect this is also why, Jc on a Bike, and his 'Gigaohm Biological News has been censored.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Belligerent Savant » Tue Feb 02, 2021 8:14 pm

dada » Tue Feb 02, 2021 4:44 pm wrote:
Who decides what relative good health means? Like all the obsese, frail, everyone with genetic predispositions or conditions, should all isolate, and let the youthful, fit, beautiful people get on with business as usual.

Staring at their phones. But where do we go from there? Maybe we should separate all the beautiful people from the potentially sick, permanently. Why not make maintaining your immunity improperly a crime, being sick the 'prohibitive act' that must be corrected.


Ha.

Well, one would know, wouldn't they, if they are relatively well or not. No one needs to inform them in most instances.

My broad point is those that are at higher risk may opt to take whatever necessary precautions, above and beyond whatever they would normally do. What did we do, as humans, prior to 2020 during flu seasons? Remember, the young are less impacted by Covid than they are by the flu. The very old and already sick have about a ~94% chance of surviving (otherwise they may unfortunately perish of.... old age, or a more serious illness they already had. What can we do to rid humanity of this blight, old age? Would lockdowns help?).

For everyone else, survival rate is over 99.5%. The vast majority that get this virus have: no symptoms; minimal symptoms; mild/moderate flu. A relatively small subset suffer worse circumstances -- the poorer among this segment are less likely to fare well. Outside of this virus, many, many die every year due to other far more serious ailments, or accidents. Sometimes, they die due to less serious ailments, like the standard flu (at any age), among many other examples.

So, once again, we come to proportionality. Or lack thereof.

Entire swaths of humans taken for a ride because their FEARS were triggered at a primal level.

Rationality out the window.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Belligerent Savant » Tue Feb 02, 2021 10:38 pm

Grizzly » Tue Feb 02, 2021 6:47 pm wrote:
Essential Facts Your Doctor Probably Forgot To Tell You about the Covid-19 Vaccine


https://brandnewtube.com/v/MHMdig

Being as YouTube is now in full service to Mockingbird media... I highly suspect this is also why, Jc on a Bike, and his 'Gigaohm Biological News has been censored.


That video clip is worthy of transcription. Thanks for sharing, Grizz.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Belligerent Savant » Wed Feb 03, 2021 6:33 pm

Elvis » Tue Feb 02, 2021 1:29 pm wrote:If a cloth mask is only 20% effective, that's not "useless," that's 20% risk reduction.

Has the term risk management come up? It's an entire field of study.


I'm referring to outdoors. Outdoors it serves no purpose. But even indoors, it doesn't 'block' virus from entering/escaping. Yes, it may minimize extent of spread when someone with the virus (or symptomatic) coughs, but primarily in closed-environment scenarios, in relative close proximity to others for an extended period of ~5 full minutes or more. But that's not the only scenario in which we're being told to "mask up".

Did you, or the majority of Americans, use masks prior to 2020?

But again -- i've repeated it a number of times -- this is not the issue. My primary objection is with the mandates for masks. Anyone can wear a mask (or 2, or 3) if it makes one feel safer. Take whatever 'risk management' steps you choose to take. I've never raised an issue with what one may choose to do, regardless of whether or not I agree with the choice.

My primary objection in all of this is what they are strongly recommending, soft-pushing, conditioning or otherwise mandating us to do, now or any time in the future.

It would be a gross mischaracterization to suggest i DON'T manage risk. Of course I do. But my form of risk management may not -- and increasingly, does not -- correlate with the guidelines/mandates doled out by compromised "experts".

The science -- the actual science -- does not show that mask wearing should be mandated, nor has it shown that it markedly lessens spread.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Grizzly » Thu Feb 04, 2021 10:28 pm

“The more we do to you, the less you seem to believe we are doing it.”

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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Belligerent Savant » Thu Feb 04, 2021 11:28 pm

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From Grizzly's link:

Regarding the ability of the vaccine to reduce mortality from COVID, the FDA briefing document states:

A larger number of individuals at high risk of COVID-19 and higher attack rates would be needed to confirm efficacy of the vaccine against mortality.”

Mortality was not evaluated because there were no deaths from COVID in their trial, even amongst 21,728 participants who received placebo.
...

...if the vaccine is intended to prevent symptoms (and whether it’s actually 95% effective at doing so is up to you to decide), while also causing significantly more symptoms than placebo (over twice as much), what is the true net benefit? How will we know if there will be a net benefit, in the end?

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It’s important to understand that the reported adverse events from the trial did not capture or reflect all possible adverse events that will occur when it is administered to the public.


And yet rubes continue to line up to get this.


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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby DrEvil » Fri Feb 05, 2021 1:12 am

Your contempt for people who, by your own admission, have a 6% chance of dying from covid is palpable.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby mentalgongfu2 » Fri Feb 05, 2021 4:31 am

The science -- the actual science -- does not show that mask wearing should be mandated, nor has it shown that it markedly lessens spread.


And "actual science" is what, exactly? How does one know "actual science" when one sees it?

I only ask because there has been "science" posted here that argues against your conclusions that you routinely dismiss out of hand.
What differentiates that "science" from "actual science" aside from your agreement or disagreement with the conclusions?

But my form of risk management may not -- and increasingly, does not -- correlate with the guidelines/mandates doled out by compromised "experts".


Aside from your agreement or disagreement with them, how do you determine a "compromised 'expert' " from an uncompromised one? Who/what is compromising them, and how, why? If experts can't be trusted, compromised or uncomprimised, what makes amateurs (i.e. people who don't necessarily know what they're talking about) a better source?
What exactly are you standards of evaluating information on this subject?
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Belligerent Savant » Fri Feb 05, 2021 10:09 am

DrEvil » Fri Feb 05, 2021 12:12 am wrote:Your contempt for people who, by your own admission, have a 6% chance of dying from covid is palpable.


I sensed my flippant remark would trigger a reaction.

Yours is hyperbolic mischaracterization.
(To go along with my hyperbolic remark, granted)

My contempt is primarily placed on the conditioning and control mechanisms in place that instill an exaggerated sense of fear, which in turn minimizes discernment and critical thinking, resulting in our current circumstances:

- excessive and unwarranted govt overreach;
- further restrictions to livelihoods;
- misleading premises accepted as a given.

People are lining up to take a vaccine that was fast-tracked in unprecedented fashion, and by the manufactures own admission, has numerous potential side-effects, some of which won't be known for at least another year. In other instances, some unfortunately won't be able to wait very long: people have died shortly after taking this vaccine, or otherwise have experienced acute side-effects.

Damage-control commentary in the press will suggest these serious reactions may not be tied directly to the vaccine. Caveat Emptor.

Not to mention that it doesn't prevent one from catching the virus again in the future. Meanwhile, pharma companies and major stockholders reap in $$$$.

I've presented numerous alternative, and demonstrably effective, methods for proactive/reactive treatment for this virus (as suggested by case studies, physicians, doctors) -- so how can you, in good faith, use the word 'contempt', other than as a means to defame?
(I mean, I personally don't take offense to it -- i forgive you, for you know not what you say)

I've cited case studies that show how low-cost treatments (ivermectin, hydroxychloroquine, zinc and others) have been very successful as treatment options.

Why aren't these treatments being referenced more broadly?

More than a fair share of those lining up for these vaccines, and the reason why at least a portion of the public wear masks increasingly outdoors, is in part because they want this to END. They are being largely compliant because they just want to GET BACK to what was before, not so much because they subscribe fully to notions proclaiming restrictive methods are as effective as stated. Apart from that, there will be many that comply based primarily on FEAR. Generally, there hasn't been too much due diligence research undertaken by those playing along.

Scrutiny is increasing, however. A growing number are questioning at least certain aspects.

I type this based in part on my anecdotal observations:

I've had many conversations over the past year with friends, family, neighbors, co-workers, individuals I encounter as part of my 'job', and even those I happen to converse with out there in the real world. Yes, I still interact with people out there in the streets (apart from online interaction), though it's admittedly a far more challenging task, given how fearful, generally, humans have now become of interaction with fellow humans... tragic, that.

How many of you have done the same in the past ~year, I wonder? Especially those of you holding more tightly to the standard storylines?

I will wager that there is indeed contempt that some harbor. And my wager would be that -- along with fear-based and/or conditioning reasons -- those clamoring for or agreeable with lockdown measures are more likely to be individuals that weren't 'fans' of much social interaction to begin with. Germaphobes, in particular, are surely perfectly fine with current arrangements. Anecdotally, it appears those that are fervently pro-lockdown/pro-mask/pro-vaccine have shown themselves, increasingly, and perhaps not fully consciously, to have more contempt for their fellow human, Especially those humans holding a contrary view to all of this.

In other words, an unprecedented and large-scale psychological experiment has been undertaken over the past ~year, for a number of reasons that, ultimately, has little to do with repairing public health. To the contrary, the measures taken have dramatically impacted overall health for the worse, not for better. This much is clear.

Lockdowns and other mandates were maintained for this duration to increase the acceptance of 'vaccine' as the primary/sole solution.

(Side-note: if Ct thresholds are lowered across the board for PCR tests, there will indeed be far less 'positive' cases -- which can be spun as preferred by the press/govt talking heads).

It's wasteful to continue with this commentary, at this point: most who continue to subscribe to current narratives are unlikely to see it any other way, at least in the near-term.

We'll see how these talking points age in another ~3yrs or so.

In the meantime, wrongful and -- in my view -- agenda-driven policies detrimental to the majority will likely continue.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby DrEvil » Fri Feb 05, 2021 7:11 pm

So you want it to end, you just don't want to do any of the things that could help end it? What is your solution here?
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