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JackRiddler » Sat Feb 20, 2021 5:41 pm wrote:
Fear + cognitive dissonance, so people reinforce themselves in the faith.
I think it's very important to acknowledge that exactly what you are writing has happened, and that many people thinking rationally, or thinking rationally about everything other than this, are honest, sincere, not simply stupid but under a sway for which they should not be blamed. You know who definitely should not be blamed? Practicing health professionals, where there has been a real high toll, and a trauma.
Belligerent Savant » Fri Feb 19, 2021 2:06 pm wrote:.
https://www.wsj.com/articles/well-have- ... 1613669731
We’ll Have Herd Immunity by April
Covid cases have dropped 77% in six weeks. Experts should level with the public about the good news.
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Some medical experts privately agreed with my prediction that there may be very little Covid-19 by April but suggested that I not to talk publicly about herd immunity because people might become complacent and fail to take precautions or might decline the vaccine. But scientists shouldn’t try to manipulate the public by hiding the truth.
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Dr. Makary is a professor at the Johns Hopkins School of Medicine and Bloomberg School of Public Health, chief medical adviser to Sesame Care, and author of “The Price We Pay.”
...my primary interests are ... in WAKING THOSE STILL THEIR SLUMBER. In order to snap out of this collective nightmare, we need to WAKE UP, COLLECTIVELY, EN MASSE.
Whatever can be done to EXPEDITE this AWAKENING is more important than anything else right now.
Calling people cowards and collaborators who are frightened or fooled or merely over cautious, you sound very much like those who attribute the wish to go out and see people and circulate freely to recklessness and selfishness and contempt and hatred or racism for others.
SUMMARY
Yes, there is a disease, and for people with pre-depleted immune systems, it can be deadly, if not treated properly. I am in New York, and in spring, some friends of friends have passed (of medical mismanagement and chaos, it seems, not to mention the choice to force-send COVID patients to nursing homes). For the majority of people who get it, this thing can be either nearly unnoticeable or extremely unpleasant but survivable. I, for instance, seemingly had the extremely unpleasant version (which I don’t regret because it reminded me of what life is for).
When the pandemic was announced last year, the protocols recommended by the WHO were rather deadly, and Western hospitals that enforced them or encouraged people to not seek treatment until they were about to die, unfortunately killed a lot of patients. Not the doctors’ fault!! However, the harm was done, both to the lives and to the minds of many people, and the “respectable” medical authorities who have been pushing for lethal protocols and blocking effective treatments—even as knowledge kept flowing in—are nothing short of homicidal monsters, in my opinion. They are monsters, not the asymptomatic “antimaskers” (who, despite what the agitprop wants you to believe, are actually following the science, or at least the most convincing science that exists on the subject).
And yes, along the way, there have been pioneers and whistleblowers among the nurses, doctors, and scientists—but the respectable media stayed silent or smeared them as right-wing loons, saying what they had to say to keep their jobs (and some still are). Also, there seems to be distinctive “party line” (being scared is good), touting which is a requirement for being viewed as “normal.” Not a good sign.Anna Brees
@BreesAnna
I have two BBC insiders sharing shock horror stories on the slant they need to publish to keep their jobs.
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At some point in time, when the hospitals returned to their traditional approach to treating patients (based on evidence and experience), patients started recovering much better.
The messiest aspect of the story is that effective COVID treatments and prophylaxes seem to have existed almost from the get-go (see the extensive list of links to stories and studies at the end); more of them kept being discovered as the new data was coming in—and kept being shut down by the same authorities who had recommended lethal treatment protocols in the beginning and who had historically colluded with pharma firms (and then banned by cooperating politicians). Yes, that sounds absolutely crazy! Insane and unbelievable! And I don’t think that this can be explained by incompetence alone; plus, the WHO is the same organization that in the past has pleased Big Tobacco and gone to great lengthts to underplay the harms of the Fukushima nuclear disaster—and more recently, on record, worked with Big Pharma companies to declare a pandemic that never was, so that said Big Pharma companies could legally sell the lucrative medical product they usually like to sell.
In my opinion, the only explanation that can reconcile this horrible reality with rational logic is that “we the people” have re-joined the ranks of world history, so to speak, and have become to the new colonizers what “the indigenous” were to the old ones—and that the so called “pandemic measures” have never been about our health but instead, about clumsily ushering us all toward a new social and economic order, aka “the Great Reset.” etc. I understand that it’s a bitter pill to swallow. I completely do. I hate it, too. It’s awful to be abused, and pleasant to believe that we are the masters of the world. No soulless religious reform in human history has been fun, and I am far from thrilled that I have to live through one. Like, why? Like really, why? Why in my lifetime? So I hear you. But facts are facts.
Doctors all over the world have reported practical successes with many treatments. The not-really-controversial malaria drug, asthma meds, ivermectin, various combinations of cheap meds and vitamins, the Madagascar treatment, homeopathy (yes, homeopathy, which, again, contrary to what the propaganda wants us to believe, is not “pseudoscience,” and some counties like for example India use it broadly; plus, a curious fact: these countries have done much better than America at treating COVID). Combined, these treatments seem to have saved numerous lives, to the sound of crickets in the respectable Western media. (Actually, worse than crickets! The media pulled a WMD, and HCQ was spun as a right-wing conspiracy, ivermectin was actively discouraged, and the meager coverage of the Madagascar treatment was blatantly colonial. Evidently, African scientists were not good enough to determine if their treatment was effective, and needed the approval of the proverbial “white man.”)
As a result, the countries—and the individual physicians—who treated patients during this challenging time in accordance with evidence-based medical standards, did a lot better than those who followed in the footsteps of the WHO. Meanwhile, the “official science” kept doing insane things like using using lethal dosages of HCQ in highly publicized clinical trials to prove that the medication was dangerous, faking studies, bullying doctors who were successful in treating COVID, looking the other way when facts contradicted their statements, etc. etc. Like seriously WTF.
Also, let’s keep in mind that the institutions that became suddenly so protective of people’s health are the same institutions that have traditionaly sided with giant corporations, which knowingly poisoned people. No? Also, at the end of this article, please check the list of various documented experiments on unsuspecting citizens of western countries. Politicians suck!
yes, homeopathy, which, again, contrary to what the propaganda wants us to believe, is not “pseudoscience,”
DrEvil » 21 Feb 2021 20:48 wrote:Just one thing:yes, homeopathy, which, again, contrary to what the propaganda wants us to believe, is not “pseudoscience,”
It is the very definition of pseudoscience. Homeopathy doesn't work. A properly prepared homeopathic solution is literally just water. At best it has a placebo effect, so you might as well claim that sugar pills or tap water works, at worst it replaces actual treatments.
...as far as the germ theory vs. terrain, I am not qualified to say what’s what. I have an intuitive peasant theory about this but that’s obviously a mere theory. I suspect that just like we shed RNA-carrying bits currently defined as exosomes, we also pick them up from others, or from the air. To get more metaphorical, it’s like emotions, which we either “generate” or “pick up.” Perhaps those RNA-carrying bits are another way to communicate, a language that could express beauty or be a scream for help. And just like the people who have been traumatized and really need help may act aggressive and pass on the trauma, people whose bodies are out of tune in general or not designed to interact harmoniously with a particular RNA-carrying bit, react to it dramatically. Or breed those things and pass them on. And just like something that’s good or innocent for one living being can be deadly for another, same thing here. An equation with lots of variables and a result that gets decided in real time. Conclusion: trying to stay generally healthy, in good spirits, connected to the community, and in touch with common sense is good no matter what. Peasant wisdom!
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Do you believe that no matter what, it helps to invest in one’s health, including a robust immune system?
YES
Do you believe that Big Pharma would rather have you depend on their most expensive products than possess a healthy, free natural immunity?
YES
Do you believe that you live in a country where government officials would never betray own citizens?
Such a country would be great but it does not exist, outside of maybe some smaller indigenous nations.
Do you believe that there are effective COVID treatments?
It sure seems like it. (See the extensive list of references.)
Do you believe that there has been an unusual effort to restrict or ban effective treatments?
Heartbreaking..
Do you believe that the PCR tests currently in use are a functional diagnostic tool?
IF the test is looking for a correctly isolated virus, and IF the cycle threshold is set correctly, and IF the test is evaluated alongside the symptoms, then probably it is useful. However, the ones in use today are bad, bad, bad. Theranos is green with envy!
First, to the best of my understanding of the topic, the current PCR tests are looking for a a synthetically generated sequence, not the isolated virus or even a piece of it.
Second, the cycles threshold is set way too high, and it’s been known since Spring. The test detects any kind of debris of whatever it is looking for—while having a piece of debris in your system, simply because it’s out there and you have breathed it in, doesn’t make you sick or infectious. You can’t even grow a culture out of it in many cases (but you can definitely grow a bacterial feast out of what’s on the inside of the mask that you wear as a healthy person… hello bacterial pneumonia on the rise).
Just recently, the flaws of the PCR were finally admitted by the WHO—to the by now familiar sound of crickets in the media— and earlier, this has been stated by Fauci himself. The crickets loved it.
On a side note, all of us have cancer cells in our systems at all times (and when we are healthy, our immune systems gets rid of them very quickly). It doesn’t mean we need to be in perpetual chemotherapy.
Do you believe that asymptomatic spread is an important vector?
In the entire history of modern science, asymptomatic people have never been considered a significant vector of spreading respiratory viruses. Never ever. Fauci said it himself. Furthermore, massive studies done specifically on this coronavirus confirmed it, to the—you guessed it—familiar sound of crickets in the media. Evidently, people need to carry a sufficient viral load to shed the virus (which usually invokes an immune response, which is expressed as symptoms).
Sometimes there is a distinction between asymptomatic (healthy person, possibly with a meaningless positive PCR test) and presymptomatic (no symptoms now but will develop soon). Two things to note. One, “people with no symptoms” have still never been proven a significant vector when it comes to respiratory viruses. Two—and this is more nuanced—based on the opinion of the doctors I talked to, “presymptomatic” is more like “subtle symptoms,” i.e. the person feels tired, cranky, or the body hurts a little bit, and so on. Unfortunately, due to pollution and unhealthy lifestyles, there are so few truly and fully healthy people today that being cranky or achy could be many people “normal” state. So, let’s dream big. What do we do to improve the bottom line? Stop polluting? Significantly cut the use of electronic devices (and NOT build more towers built on a technology that has never been tested for long-term health impact)? Unfortunately, natural health and cutting the use of electronic devices are the opposite of what our corporate masters want, so they would rather muddy the waters, weaken our natural immunity with stress and the disruption of social fabric—and meanwhile, really ramp up the building of said cell towers, which they have been doing enthusiastically since the beginning of the pandemic, lockdown or not (more screentime and digital surveillance, poorer health, and digital dependency, yay!)
Do you believe that masks in healthy people prevent the spread of respiratory viruses?
Umm no, it is not what I believe, and this is not a principle. I was open-minded about it (and still am if the science presents itself at last) and wore a mask nearly religiously in spring, despite my doctor friends’ advice and the fact that my nose could distinctly smell the liquor that one homeless guy had consumed before passing by me, while I was obediently standing in line in a mask. Today, wear it where I have to but I rather resent the S&M.
Evidence-based science does not support the usefulness of mask-wearing by general population (please see the mile-long list of articles and studies at the end), and the propaganda that we have been bombarded with can happily compete with Nazi Germany. And the moral angle? Dear God. Framing the act of trusting science, one’s brain, and instincts as “being selfish and antisocial”—and framing naive obedience to propaganda as “compassion” is just like wow (see this “study”: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/a ... 6920305377) .
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Do you believe that prolonged closure of small businesses or lockdowns are justified?
Again, unfortunately, we are in the midst of an attempt at a massive social, economic, and cultural reform. What’s being attempted, unfortunately, is a controlled demolition of the world’s economy and culture as we know it, I am sorry. I wish it weren’t the case! But their goal is to create the kind of corporate control of everything where only the richest ones make the products that most people use: patented lab-grown food, robotic agriculture, online education, patented AI medicine, everybody living in rented spaces (that are, however, owned by somebody), robotic relationships, and so on. So of course small businesses and farms are being butchered, that’s the point! Amazon’s Whole Foods is open, Target is open, Walmart is open… it’s the small businesses that are being taken out of the market.
stickdog99 » Mon Feb 22, 2021 1:40 am wrote:DrEvil » 21 Feb 2021 20:48 wrote:Just one thing:yes, homeopathy, which, again, contrary to what the propaganda wants us to believe, is not “pseudoscience,”
It is the very definition of pseudoscience. Homeopathy doesn't work. A properly prepared homeopathic solution is literally just water. At best it has a placebo effect, so you might as well claim that sugar pills or tap water works, at worst it replaces actual treatments.
Do you base this proclamation on your rigorous review of all of the available scientific evidence or on your notion of what makes common sense?
Because your "science-based" certainty about this sounds exactly like an early 20th century Darwinist deriding epigenetics to me.
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