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Postby Harvey » Sun Mar 14, 2021 10:12 pm

If we ask an elementary question about the story below from 2015: What would the worst among us do with such a thing? The answer is easy when viewed dispassionately: in the current context of increasingly forced vaccination, a ready made mechanism to select for an entire population characterised by fear, submissiveness, lack of curiosity and docility. Think about it, you know I'm right.


https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science/tthis-chicken-vaccine-makes-virus-dangerous

This chicken vaccine makes its virus more dangerous

Science Jul 27, 2015 3:01 PM EDT

The deadliest strains of viruses often take care of themselves — they flare up and then die out. This is because they are so good at destroying cells and causing illness that they ultimately kill their host before they have time to spread.

But a chicken virus that represents one of the deadliest germs in history breaks from this conventional wisdom, thanks to an inadvertent effect from a vaccine. Chickens vaccinated against Marek’s disease rarely get sick. But the vaccine does not prevent them from spreading Marek’s to unvaccinated birds.
“With the hottest strains, every unvaccinated bird dies within 10 days. There is no human virus that is that hot. Ebola, for example, doesn’t kill everything in 10 days.”

In fact, rather than stop fowl from spreading the virus, the vaccine allows the disease to spread faster and longer than it normally would, a new study finds. The scientists now believe that this vaccine has helped this chicken virus become uniquely virulent. (Note: it only harms fowl). The study was published on Monday in the journal PLOS Biology.

This is the first time that this virus-boosting phenomenon, known as the imperfect vaccine hypothesis, has been observed experimentally.

The reason this is a problem for Marek’s disease is because the vaccine is “leaky.” A leaky vaccine is one that keeps a microbe from doing serious harm to its host, but doesn’t stop the disease from replicating and spreading to another individual. On the other hand, a “perfect” vaccine is one that sets up lifelong immunity that never wanes and blocks both infection and transmission.

It’s important to note childhood vaccines for polio, measles, mumps, rubella and smallpox aren’t leaky; they are considered “perfect” vaccines. As such, they are in no way in danger of falling prey to this phenomenon.

But the results do raise the questions for some human vaccines that are leaky – such as malaria, and other agricultural vaccines, such as the one being used against avian influenza, or bird flu.

Marek’s disease has plagued the chicken industry, it causes $2 billion in losses annually for fowl farmers across the globe. The virus attacks the brain, spawns tumors in the birds and comes in different varieties or “strains”, which are classified as “hot” or “cold” based on their brutality.

Andrew Read, who co-led the study, had heard about the severe effects of the hottest Marek’s strains before his lab started studying the disease about a decade ago, but even he was surprised when he finally saw the virus in action.

“With the hottest strains, every unvaccinated bird dies within 10 days. There is no human virus that is that hot. Ebola, for example, doesn’t kill everything in 10 days,” said Read, who is an evolutionary biologist at Penn State University.

In recent years, experts have wondered if leaky vaccines were to blame for the emergence of these hot strains. The 1970s introduction of the Marek’s disease immunizations for baby chicks kept the poultry industry from collapse, but people soon learned that vaccinated birds were catching “the bug” without subsequently dying. Then, over the last half century, symptoms for Marek’s worsened. Paralysis was more permanent; brains more quickly turned to mush.

“People suspected the vaccine, but the problem was that it was never shown before experimentally,” said virologist Klaus Osterrieder of the Free University of Berlin, who wasn’t involved in the study. “The field has talked about these types of experiments for a very long time, and I’m really glad to see the work finally done.”

Read’s group started their investigation by exposing vaccinated and unvaccinated Rhode Island Red chickens to one of five Marek’s disease strains that ranged from hot to cold. The hottest strains killed every unvaccinated bird within 10 days, and the team noticed that barely any virus was shed from the feathers of the chickens during that time. (The virus spreads via contaminated dust in chicken coops). In contrast, vaccination extended the lifespan of birds exposed to the hottest strains, with 80 percent living longer than two months. But the vaccinated chickens were transmitting the virus, shedding 10,000 times more virus than an unvaccinated bird.

“Previously, a hot strain was so nasty, it wiped itself out. Now, you keep its host alive with a vaccine, then it can transmit and spread in the world,” Read said. “So it’s got an evolutionary future, which it didn’t have before.”

But does this evolutionary future breed more dangerous viruses?
The close quarters of industrialized chicken farms are breeding grounds for Marek's disease. Vaccines keep the disease in check, but don't stop infections or transmission.

This study argues yes. In a second experiment, unvaccinated and vaccinated chickens were infected with one of the five Marek’s disease strains, and then put into a second arena with a second set of unimmunized birds, known as sentinels. In particular, the team was interested in a middle-of-the-road strain called “595” and whether it would become hotter.

It did. The virus spread to sentinel birds nine days faster if it came from a vaccinated chicken versus an unvaccinated one. In addition, sentinels died faster when exposed to vaccinated chickens versus unvaccinated chickens.

“One way to look at that experiment is that shows vaccinating birds kills unvaccinated birds. The vaccination of one group of birds leads to the transmission of a virus so hot that it kills the other birds, said Read said. “If you vaccinate the mothers, the same thing happens. The offspring are protected by the maternal antibodies of the mother and that allows the virus in the chicks to transmit before they kill the host. So they transmit and kill the other individuals.”

This trend persisted when the team tried the experiment in a setting meant to simulate a commercial chicken farm.

“At the moment, the vaccines are working well enough, and you can vaccinate every bird,” Read said. “There are 20 billion birds on the planet at any time; the vast majority are Marek’s vaccinated.”

However, both Read and Osterrieder worry about what might happen if Marek’s continues to change or if its vaccines were to fail.

“If the virus continues to evolve, then it could be pretty devastating for the chicken industry, which is suffering quite a bit right now in the U.S. with the influenza virus,” Osterrieder said.

Like Marek’s vaccines, vaccines for avian influenza are leaky. For this reason, they’re banned from agricultural use in the U.S. and Europe. When bird flu breaks out in these western chicken populations, farmers must cull their herds. However, Southeast Asia uses these leaky vaccines, raising the possibility for virus evolution akin to what’s happened with Marek’s disease.

“In those situations, they’re creating the conditions where super hot avian influenza could emerge,” Read said. “Then the issues become what does that mean when it spills over into other flocks, into wildlife or into humans. Avian flu is the setting to watch for evolutionary problems down the line.”

Bird flu isn’t alone. The world’s first vaccine for malaria, which was recently approved by European Medicines Agency, is also leaky. Vaccines for HPV and whooping cough can leak too; however it is unknown if this scenario creates more dangerous viruses for each of these diseases.

“Our concern here, primarily and foremost, is whether this is going to happen with any of the vaccines that we give to people,” said molecular biology James Bull of the University of Texas Austin, who specializes in the evolution of viruses and bacteria. “But there is a lot we don’t know about how the scenario with Marek’s could apply to newer human vaccines.”

To test the imperfect vaccine hypothesis in humans, you would need monitor the vaccine response for either a large or isolated population for a long time. Doing this would allow a researcher to gauge how the vaccine interacts with the virus and if that relationship is evolving. Does the vaccine merely reduce symptoms, or does it also keep patients from getting infected and transmitting the virus?

Clinical trials for Ebola might be an arena for keeping an eye on this trend.

“It’s important that we pay close attention to the Ebola vaccine in the ongoing trials. We want to know if a person who has been vaccinated and comes in contact with Ebola, whether there is any virus replication in that person and whether that means there could be onward transmission,” Read said. “If those are leaky in humans, it would be potentially very disadvantageous as it could help establish an endemic.”

However, in the end, Read said, leakiness isn’t a strike against these vaccines, but more motivation to conduct surveillance of their effects after they exit clinical trials and enter the broader population. Take Marek’s disease for example.

“Even if this evolution happens, you don’t want to be an unvaccinated chicken,” Read said. “Food chain security and everything rests on vaccines. They are the most successful and cheapest public health interventions that we’ve ever had. We just need to consider the evolutionary consequences of these ones with leaky transmission.”
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Harvey » Mon Mar 15, 2021 7:35 am

Literal eugenics supporters have been running the UK since 2019. Nasa is warning that half the life on the planet will spoon be dead. The world almost has it's first trillionaire, a figure somewhere between a Robert Heinlein character and Ian Fleming at his most feverish. And in the last year, at least some of you must have been wondering about the trail of dead, disappeared and murdered microbiologists in the last few decades. This did used to be RI, didn't it? :partyhat
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby dada » Mon Mar 15, 2021 11:18 am

"Because they are supposed to be just as frightened of COVID-19 as all the boomers reading this are."

So, you don't agree with that characterization.
Both his words and manner of speech seemed at first totally unfamiliar to me, and yet somehow they stirred memories - as an actor might be stirred by the forgotten lines of some role he had played far away and long ago.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby stickdog99 » Mon Mar 15, 2021 3:00 pm

dada » 15 Mar 2021 15:18 wrote:"Because they are supposed to be just as frightened of COVID-19 as all the boomers reading this are."

So, you don't agree with that characterization.


What characterization?

I do find this article pretty funny.
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Postby stickdog99 » Mon Mar 15, 2021 3:21 pm

https://unherd.com/2021/02/inside-the-z ... -campaign/

Inside the Zero Covid campaign

The urge to eliminate the virus is understandable — but at what cost?

BY FREDDIE SAYERS
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How long will this last?

As I discovered last week, the first rule of ZeroCovid Club is: do not talk about ZeroCovid Club.

“ZeroCovid” is, after all, a term that elicits confusion and, sometimes, outright hostility. Perhaps that’s why, when leading members of the global ZeroCovid movement met for a three-day international conference last Wednesday, it had a far more innocuous title: the “Covid Community Action Summit”.

But even though this increasingly popular school of thought — which holds that we must not return to normal until the virus is completely eliminated within a country — wasn’t explicitly on the billing, its presence was made clear from the outset. In her introductory remarks, the moderator confirmed to the more than 600 registrants and speakers from across the world that “we are here to end Covid through ZeroCovid and CovidZero policies”. More often at the event, held over Zoom and organised by American scientist Yaneer Bar-Yam, speakers preferred to refer to ZeroCovid as an “elimination strategy”.

Yet the purpose of the event was clear: to share evidence and political advice to help campaigners lobby Western governments to abandon any notion of living alongside the virus, and instead to follow the lead of Asia-Pacific nations in aiming to eliminate the disease entirely within their borders. This group is crucially distinct from people who support ongoing lockdown measures to suppress the virus to a level where it is safe to reopen — for ZeroCovid believers, we cannot rest until that level is zero.

On paper, this approach may sound rather sensible. After all, surely we’d all rather live in a world without Covid? Yet having attended last week’s conference, I keep returning to a question that didn’t seem to particularly trouble the speakers: at what cost?

In the coming weeks, I suspect this is a question we will all be forced to answer. For make no mistake: this is no fringe movement. Their advocates are among the most regular faces in broadcast media; Professor Devi Sridhar, one of its most outspoken advocates, has appeared on Channel 4 News 21 times during the pandemic — more than any other expert.

There’s a UK ZeroCovid chapter, which last month hosted its own well-attended online conference; the Scottish government is committed to their campaign, alongside Independent SAGE, British trade unions and Labour MPs such as Jeremy Corbyn and Diane Abbott. Meanwhile, influential Tory MPs like Jeremy Hunt advocate a strategy of “zero infections and elimination of the disease” and routinely refer to the Asian model. Google search results in the UK and US for “ZeroCovid” are at an all-time high. The campaign has momentum.

Judging by last week’s conference, it is easy to see why. The campaigners are, for the most part, an impressive, sincere and eloquent group. Many of them are young, telegenic and skilled communicators. But there was a mood — a unanimity of world view — that was unsettling; a fusion of overt progressive-Left politics with an ironclad certainty about their interpretation of the science. They referred to people who disagreed with them as needing to be “educated”: “deniers”, “right-wingers”, “conspiracy theorists”, or, perhaps lowest of all, “herd immunity apologists”.

More striking, however, was the time given over to messaging, organising and communications. Alongside talks on subjects ranging from how to reduce transmission in universities to which technologies could purify the air in gyms, some sessions felt more like the War Room of a political campaign.

“You have to be playing with the theory of mind of your audience,” said Tomás Ryan, a neuroscientist at Trinity College Dublin and co-founder of Ireland’s “ISAG” group that hopes to persuade the Irish government to adopt a ZeroCovid policy, in a session on strategy. “We’ve made a lot of tactical errors. We didn’t give enough time to selling the reward, which is so we can be like New Zealand.” His ISAG colleague Aoife McLysaght, a professor in molecular evolution, agreed: “We were the merchants of doom for a while… we’ve had to change our messaging. So we are now saying: you can have hugs again. You can go to music festivals. That kind of thing.”

The speakers all agreed on one central tactic: to be successful, ZeroCoviders must present themselves, counter-intuitively, as being anti-lockdown; it is only in order to quit today’s cycle of restrictions, they say, that we need to eliminate the virus completely.

But how to convince Western governments? One place to start could be two articles written by Tomas Pueyo, a tech and marketing executive who explained during a session on “Communications Strategy & Policy” that his blogposts had garnered over 60 million views. They had even, he claimed, contributed to a global policy change on Covid. For him, it didn’t matter that he wasn’t an epidemiologist. His skill was in a different kind of viral transmission: online content. “I have experience in virals, in communication, in products that people like and share,” he said. “So I designed them for that purpose. I put a narrative structure, and some tips to make them spread virally, and it succeeded.” The outcome of the pandemic, he explained, hinges on winning the comms game: “The epidemics of the 21st century are going to be fought more in communication than they are in the lab.”

Such a pithy remark is, of course, typical of communications professionals. But why are they now such a central part of the ZeroCovid campaign? Part of the reason might be the sustained vilification aimed at their opposing fringe group — the so-called “Covid deniers”. The ZeroCoviders are determined to avoid the same fate. As Tomás Ryan says: “unfortunately we have been presented as the extreme end of the Overton window — the other end being herd immunity and denialist people.”

More importantly, I suspect it also stems from the realisation that the implications of a country committing to ZeroCovid are highly political. At the moment, the fundamental offer in Western democracies is: accept these awful restrictions now, and the vaccines will soon offer a way out. This means that once deaths and the pressure on the health service are reduced to acceptable levels, people will expect to be able to resume their previous way of life.

But for the ZeroCovider, at that point we would need to do the opposite of relax. Instead, we would need to use ongoing “interventions” and test and trace protocols to drive virus levels even lower — even at a time when there is hardly any Covid about. It would need very talented comms professionals to successfully sell this to the British public.

At that point, even if — and that’s a very big if — Britain was able to reach ZeroCovid within our borders, what then? Most people accept the need for sensible border controls to defend against new variants while the vaccine is still being rolled out. But if our goal is an entirely Covid-free land, why would we ever relax border restrictions? You’d have to wait until the disease were eradicated on a global scale, which even the most committed activists don’t think is possible for years. As Irish minister and former Taoiseach Leo Varadkar said last week, ZeroCovid is “a promise you could never fulfil”; if you cut off the country, “when do you ever unseal, because then inevitably, you let the virus back in again”?

Still, perhaps the thorniest question is what life would be like inside our theoretical ZeroCovid fortress. At last week’s conference, speakers explained that they prefer to use Australia and New Zealand as good examples because they garner a more positive response than when they mention Asian countries.

But the country that invented the approach, one which may be a better guide of a large nation pursing the strategy after a severe outbreak, is China. Despite the footage of people celebrating in Wuhan on New Year’s Eve — provided by the CCP and obediently carried on global networks such as CBS and the BBC — the reality of life in ZeroCovid China is anything but normal. Constantly fearful at the prospect of another outbreak, the country’s already expansive surveillance state has ramped up a gear, ready to withdraw liberty at the slightest sign of Covid. Last month, all 11 million inhabitants of Shijiazhuang were thrown into lockdown after a local outbreak; one week later, a further 5 million people outside Beijing were put into lockdown on the basis of a single case. Only this week, Hong Kong launched a policy of “ambush lockdowns” where residential blocks are sealed off at a moment’s notice.

David Rennie, Beijing bureau chief of The Economist, recently gave an astonishingly candid account of current ZeroCovid life in the Chinese capital:

“China’s strategy, from the start, was to have no infections at all… Still in Beijing, where we have hardly any cases, every time you step outside your door you have to use a smartphone to scan a QR code — every shop, every taxi, every bus, every metro station. You have no privacy at all — it’s all built around this electronic system of contact tracing. To leave Beijing you have to have a Covid test, to come back in you have to have a Covid test…. We basically don’t have the virus here, but the flip side is that they are keeping this place locked down as tight as a drum… It’s very hard to know where Covid containment starts and a Communist police state with an obsession with control kicks in.”

Surely that is the most powerful objection to the approach: that in reality it would require a long-term illiberal regime to achieve and maintain it. ZeroCovid is a totalitarian aim, best delivered by a totalitarian state. Even in Australia, last weekend there was panic buying in Perth as the city re-entered lockdown in response to a single positive test result. So far at least, British voters have not chosen to reject liberal democracy, no matter what the epidemiological allure of a ZeroCovid regime.

For now, the British Government has resisted the campaign’s logic, and the Prime Minister continues to make encouraging signals about easing restrictions and even summer holidays. But as the impact of the vaccine is felt and the number of cases continues to fall, the politically difficult question of what constitutes an acceptable level of infection will have to be addressed.

Whatever that level is, expect well-spoken ZeroCovid campaigners to say it is too high. At each hesitant step towards opening up society, expect it to be called irresponsible and short-termist. No doubt ZeroCoviders sincerely believe their campaign for a Covid-free world is a noble one. But how successful they are at influencing policy will affect the shape of our society for years to come.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby dada » Mon Mar 15, 2021 4:32 pm

"What characterization?"

The characterization of these older celebrity rebels as frightened.
Both his words and manner of speech seemed at first totally unfamiliar to me, and yet somehow they stirred memories - as an actor might be stirred by the forgotten lines of some role he had played far away and long ago.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby thankyouberrymuch » Tue Mar 16, 2021 2:35 am

- “celebrity rebels” in their 70’s have not only lived their whole lives already, they’ve also had more fun than any of us could ever dream of. A stiff breeze could take such types out, so I get why they’d think Covid is nbd. I still love Astral Weeks though.

- the concept of “zero covid” in just about every modern Western country is an absurd pipe dream. Not only has the virus continued to have millions of basically willing hosts in the US for instance, but there is nowhere close to the political will available to pull it off. The Biden admin/Fauci have both neglected recommending the closure of international travel as variants spread worldwide, much less implementing such a policy. For all the apparent good their seriousness about the virus has thus far achieved, there are glaring holes still.

Zero Covid in America would require:

- banning international travel for at least 3 months, if not indefinitely
- a near-China style lockdown in every city and state in the country
- paying every adult citizen who is not an Essential Worker (as the original, last March definition entailed) to stay home for a period of 3-4 weeks, ahead of time
- banning all businesses from laying off any workers during the lockdown
- distributing serious PPE to every essential worker
- compliance with the temporary measures, which would likely require actual enforcement for violations
- a Federal statute noting the exact start and end date of such a lockdown that cannot be subsequently revised

Etc etc. It ain’t gonna happen where such a policy hasn’t already been done.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Grizzly » Tue Mar 16, 2021 10:20 am

Dr. Fauci Backed Controversial Wuhan Lab with U.S. Dollars for Risky Coronavirus Research
https://www.newsweek.com/dr-fauci-backed-controversial-wuhan-lab-millions-us-dollars-risky-coronavirus-research-1500741

Nothing to see here... I'm sure, SURE these guys are above board and have no hints of doing ANYTHING unethical or detrimental to society. Cause I know most here trust our experts. But you know, give these guys the benefit of the doubt. Where's the evidence!!??
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Belligerent Savant » Tue Mar 16, 2021 10:37 pm

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For those that have echoed the below sentiment, a thread for consideration:

https://twitter.com/MarkChangizi/status ... 05569?s=20


@MarkChangizi

<thread>

“Surgeons wear masks, so you should too.”

...

1/ Surgeons wear masks so that bodily fluids — which always have bacteria even if a surgeon is asymptomatic — won’t go into a patient’s open wound.

NOT to stop the viral aerosols that smoke though and around the masks, and are the primary mode of viral transmission.

...

2/ Surgeons who are showing respiratory symptoms likely postpone surgery if the patient is infirm, because a face mask won’t slow viral transmission.

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3/ Surgeons self-select. Folks finding face masks uncomfortable steer themselves toward other careers.

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4/ Surgeons wearing masks voluntarily does not justify mandating an entire population wear masks involuntarily.

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5/ Surgeons don’t move around much. They’re in one spot. They’re consequently at little or no raised risk from falls.

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6/ Also because surgeons aren’t moving, they’re not breathing heavily. Masks become unsafe when exercising.

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7/ Surgeons wear masks temporarily, not all day.

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8/ Surgeons also wear professional anti-fog goggles so that their breath doesn’t bother their eyes or fog up their prescription glasses. Should everyone have to as well?

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9/ A surgeon’s emotional expressions on the face are of minimal importance compared to in most other jobs, especially in the service industry.

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Other threads on the harms of facemasks:

https://twitter.com/MarkChangizi/status ... 19557?s=20

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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Belligerent Savant » Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:24 am

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The heading should read "case spike", not "infection spike", as a 'case' does not necessarily equate to an infection, given the false-positive rates of PCR tests.

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https://www.andrewbostom.org/2021/03/de ... ion-spike/


And, for those that may still be on the fence, or willing to reconsider their newfound religious zeal:
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In September 2019, Johns Hopkins in partnership with WHO published a detailed report on "high-impact respiratory pathogens" that is prophetic. For example, they warned NPI (Nonpharmaceutical Interventions) policies could be abused by overreaching governments for political/social purposes, not because of evidence.

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They say widespread quarantine is likely the least effective NPI to do anything, especially if the pathogen is a) airborne, b) highly transmissible. Sound familiar? They mention how the Ebola experience highlights how difficult quarantine policies can be to maintain.

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They urge that every NPI that is considered must also consider any potential harms that could come from the intervention - seeing that it's well-documented that lockdowns essentially do nothing, we are left with assessing the harms of them, which will be seen for decades to come.

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They also say there is very little information on the effectiveness of masks in the public setting - yet public health leaders in 2020 were so confident in mannequin head droplet studies that they push them as one of the most important and effective interventions we have.

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There are several other reports just like this one. Don't let political leaders say they "followed the science" when they locked down. They panicked. They've spent the past year doubling down on these policies to cover up their failure. No science supported these policies.

Entire PDF can be found here. https://apps.who.int/gpmb/assets/themat ... s/tr-6.pdf



https://twitter.com/IAmTheActualET/stat ... 22156?s=20

When I read, "They've spent the past year doubling down on these policies to cover up their failure", the cynic in me says to himself, "this was no failure, this was purposeful, at least among those whose names are rarely, if ever, made public".
(With the exception of Bill Gates and Klaus Schwab, of course. They're the outward faces of the next planned phase).
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby stickdog99 » Wed Mar 17, 2021 3:22 pm

What's most annoying to me about all of this is that all it took was a tiny coalition of "expert consensus" to turn masks, social distancing measures, lockdowns, school closures, forced experimental vaccination, and even total quarantines of perfectly healthy individuals into self-evidently beneficial public policy mandates so rigidly and religiously orthodox that any questioning any of these mandates one iota put individuals at risk of losing their positions or even their tenure.

Note that the costs of adhering to every single one these universally worshipped "government safety interventions" fall completely on each individual citizen. In the USA at least, no interventions whatsoever -- such as isolated rural COVID-19 recovery facilities; MASH units deployed to needy localities; free delivery services, nutrition centers, and housing assistance for all at risk individuals; free preventative medications; free reusable non-toxic masks and reusable mask sanitizing facilities; voluntary contact tracing programs; recurring payments for people forced out of their jobs; widescale distribution of portable and less physically harmful ventilators; and especially free healthcare, sick pay, and on demand testing for all at risk populations and essential workers -- were implemented that would cost our oligarchs one penny.

It's as if people demanded their leaders to do something and their leaders replied, "No, you do something!"

And that was the end of it.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Belligerent Savant » Wed Mar 17, 2021 4:21 pm

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Painfully accurate. This era will be viewed ~25yrs from now as the modern-day dark ages. Or is this optimistic of me to assume we'll be far removed from this madness by then?


Cross-posting the below from the B.Gates thread given how tragically prophetic it turned out to be. From April 2020:

Belligerent Savant » Fri Apr 24, 2020 11:44 pm wrote:.

This could be cross-posted with the main Corona thread, but placing here as GATES is prominent in key parts.

[embedded links at source]


The Seven-Step Path from Pandemic to Totalitarianism

There are just seven steps from pandemic declaration to permanent totalitarianism – and many jurisdictions are about to start Step 5


As if it was planned in advance, billions of people around the globe are being forced step by rapid step into a radically different way of life, one that involves far less personal, physical and financial freedom and agency

Here is the template for rolling this out.

Step 1

A new virus starts to spread around the world. The World Health Organization (WHO) declares a pandemic.

International agencies, public-health officials, politicians, media and other influential voices fan fear by focusing almost exclusively on the contagiousness of the virus and the rising numbers of cases, and by characterizing the virus as extremely dangerous.

Within a few days governments at national and local levels also declare states of emergency. At lightning speed they impose lock-down measures that confine most people to their homes – starting with closing schools – and shut down much of the global economy. World markets implode.

The stunned, fearful and credulous public – convinced over the previous few years that their bodies do not have the natural ability to react to pathogens by producing antibodies that confer long-lasting immunity – largely complies willingly.

The first weekly virtual class on local emergency and crisis responses to COVID19 is held for mayors and other city officials around the world. Coordinated by a handful of American organizations in the academic, medical, financial, political and transportation spheres, the classes feature guests ranging from Barack Obama to Bill Gates.


Step 2

National, state/provincial and municipal leaders, as well as public-health officials, start daily press briefings. They use them to pump out frightening statistics and modelling asserting the virus has the potential to kill many millions.

Most of this information is hard to decipher and sheds little real light on the natural course of the virus’s spread through each geographic area.

Officials and media downplay or distort inconveniently low death tolls from the virus and instead focus on alarming statistics produced by compliant academics, social-media influencers and high-profile organizations.

The main message is that this is a war and many lives are at stake unless virtually everybody stays at home. Mainstream media amplify the trope that the world is at the mercy of the virus.

Simultaneously, central banks and governments hand out massive amounts of cash largely to benefit the big banks. And they bring in giant private-sector financial firms to manage the process despite these global companies’ very poor track record in the 2008-2009 crash. Governments also rapidly start to create trillions of pounds’ worth of programs that include compensating businesses and workers for their shutdown-related losses.

Step 3

There is a concerted effort by all levels of government and public health to very rapidly ramp up testing for viral RNA, along with production of personal protective equipment.

They push aside the need for regulation, including quality standards and independent verification of tests’ rates of accuracy, by insisting that fast approval and roll-out are imperative for saving lives.

Models are released that predict snowballing of numbers of cases, hospitalizations and deaths even under best-case scenarios.

At about the same time, public-health officials significantly loosen the criteria for viral infections, outbreaks and deaths, particularly in the oldest members of society. That increases the numbers of cases and deaths ascribed to the new pathogen.

The media continue to clamour for more testing and for severe punishment of people who aren’t completely compliant with the lock-down measures.

As a result, there’s little backlash as police and military with sweeping new powers enforce these measures and give stiff penalties or even jail terms to those who disobey orders. States also monitor with impunity massive numbers of people’s movements via their cellphones.

Vast human resources are focused on tracking down people who have had contact with a virus-positive individual and confining them to their homes. Thus the portion of the public exposed to the virus remains relatively small.

It also contributes to social isolation. Among many effects, this enables those in control to even further erase individual and collective choices, voices and power.

Step 4

When the numbers of cases and deaths start to plateau, local officials claim it’s too early to tell whether the virus has finished passing through their population and therefore, restrictive measures must continue.

An alternative narrative is that if such measures aren’t kept in place there will be a resurgence of cases and deaths. Yet another is that the continuing climb in elderly persons’ deaths means all bets are off for the time being.

They admit that initial models incorrectly predicted there would be a tsunami of cases, ICU admissions and deaths. However, they assert more time is needed before it can be determined whether it’s safe to loosen some of the restrictions and let children return to school or adults go back to work.

Officials do not try to calculate the overall skyrocketing cost to their populations and economies of the shut-downs and other measures against, nor do they discuss what cost level may be too high.


They and powerful media organizations also push for the massive virus-testing over-capacity to be used to surveil the general population for viral DNA in their bodies. At the same time, the roll-out begins of widespread blood testing for antibodies to the virus.

Meanwhile, new data are published showing the virus has a high capacity to mutate. Scientists and officials interpret this as meaning a larger medical arsenal will be needed to combat it.

Step 5

About two or three weeks later, the dramatic increase in testing for viral DNA produces the desired goal of a significant upsurge in the number of people found positive for the virus.

Public-health officials add jet fuel to the surge by adding to their case and death tallies the large number of people who are only suspected – and not lab-test-confirmed – to have had an infection. Politicians and public-health officials tell the populace this means they cannot return to their jobs or other activities outside the home for the time being.

Governments work with public-health agencies, academics, industry, the WHO and other organizations to start to design and implement immunity-passport systems for using the results of the widespread antibody testing to determine who can be released from the lock-downs. This is one of many goals of the seven steps.

Meanwhile, government leaders continue to highlight the importance of vaccines for besting the virus.

Step 6

Large-scale human testing of many different types of antivirals and vaccines begins, thanks to a concerted push from the WHO, Bill Gates and his collaborators, pharmaceutical and biotech companies, governments and universities.

Large swaths of the population don’t have the antibodies to the virus because they’ve been kept from being exposed to it; they eagerly accept these medications even though they’ve been rushed to market with inadequate safety testing. They believe these medical products offer the only hope for escaping the virus’s clutches.

Step 7

Soon the new virus starts another cycle around the globe – just as influenza and other viruses have every year for millennia. Officials again fan the flames of fear by positing the potential for millions of deaths among people not yet protected from the virus.

They rapidly roll out virus and antibody testing again, while companies sell billions more doses of antivirals and booster vaccines.

Governments simultaneously cede control of all remaining public assets to global companies. This is because local and national governments’ tax bases were decimated during Step 1 and they’re virtually bankrupt from their unprecedented spending in the war against the virus in the other steps.

The overall result is complete medicalization of the response to the virus, which on a population level is no more harmful than influenza.

This is coupled with the creation of permanent totalitarianism controlled by global companies and a 24/7 invasive-surveillance police state supported by widespread blossoming of ‘smart’ technology.

The key players repeat the cycle of hysteria and massive administration of antivirals and booster shots every few months.

And they implement a variation of steps 1 to 7 when another new pathogen appears on the planet.

Sounds far-fetched? Unfortunately, it’s not.

With the arrival of COVID19 many countries quickly completed Steps 1, 2 and 3.

Step 4 is well under way in a large number of jurisdictions.

Step 5 is on track to start in early May.


Rosemary Frei has an MSc in molecular biology from a faculty of medicine and was a freelance medical writer and journalist for 22 years. She is now an independent investigative journalist in Toronto, Ontario.


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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby DrEvil » Wed Mar 17, 2021 5:26 pm

Large swaths of the population don’t have the antibodies to the virus because they’ve been kept from being exposed to it


Well, yeah.. Because that would be insane. Current estimates for IFR is somewhere around 0.2-1.0%. You do the math.

Honestly the whole idea smacks of eugenics. Let the virus kill off the old and the sick so the young and the healthy can get on with life.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby stickdog99 » Wed Mar 17, 2021 7:00 pm

DrEvil » 17 Mar 2021 21:26 wrote:
Large swaths of the population don’t have the antibodies to the virus because they’ve been kept from being exposed to it


Well, yeah.. Because that would be insane. Current estimates for IFR is somewhere around 0.2-1.0%. You do the math.

Honestly the whole idea smacks of eugenics. Let the virus kill off the old and the sick so the young and the healthy can get on with life.


But the entire socioeconomic gradient of health, viral gain of function research, and mass experimental vaccination campaigns in response to viral gain of function research have nothing whatsoever to do with eugenics. Right?
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