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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Karmamatterz » Sat Jun 12, 2021 12:33 pm

In my world, small lies beget big lies, and there are too many small lies in this story for me to believe it.


Please point out the specific lies you're accusing the doctor of.

What is the problem with a doctor speaking out? MANY doctors who have spoken out about common sense or have advocated for just being....doctors... and treating patients have been ostracized, shamed, ridiculed, exhorted and had threats of termination or licenses suspended. So you're complaining that a doc actually has the courage to take action and report his findings and stand up to this entire endless charade of bullshit?

It bothers you that you think it wasn't directed to local health authorities? Big deal. Seriously

Holy shit. I'm flabbergasted by this. It's rinse and repeat to try and discredit a doctor who wants to safely treat his patients. Do no harm? Did that get thrown out the window because the brainwashed masses couldn't cope with the trauma and forgot how to think for themselves? Or should the docs just capitulate to the jackass "journalists" who have been publishing lies and doublespeak, or who were too lazy or afraid to ask the questions a good journalist would?
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby streeb » Sat Jun 12, 2021 1:01 pm

Mentalgongfu wrote:

His website post is clearly not intended to local health authorities, but more of a "virtue signaling" to those who are already deep in the camp of opposition to this vaccine.


To be fair, Hoffe published the open letter because he was frustrated in his attempts to communicate with the local health authority. He tells his story to Robert Kennedy Jr's Defender podcast here, if you're inclined.

This whole situation was triggered when Hoffe emailed colleagues and asked if a pause in rollout was maybe prudent. That's it. This was enough for local health to finally pay attention, whereupon Hoffe was reported to the licensing authority, hit with a gag order, and barred from working at the local hospital. This has cost him half his income.

A vaccine safety specialist next asserted, via phonecall, that the cases were coincidental, or the result of poor vaccination technique, which Hoffe disputes due to the distribution of the symptoms. He has 10 patients who all suffered neurological conditions within 72 hours of vaccination. Three and a half months later, the youngest of the group (38) still can't drive a car or work.

As he points out: the matter still remains uninvestigated.

Hoffe has completed vaccine injury reports for his patients, adding that it’s a 9-10 page official document that takes “about 20-30 minutes” to fill. He suggests that lack of renumeration for this work acts as a disincentive to file. In any case, these reports have been met with yet more silence.

This is a local story for me, I first read Hoffe's letter at the website of a community newspaper, and I've observed the smearing he's received in the wake of all this. It's not unfair to say that the authorities have denounced Hoffe with nothing but unsupported assertions of their own. Having been forced to lawyer up, I think it's notable in the podcast interview that Hoffe sounds genuinely surprised when asked, and then refuses to accept, any help with legal costs.

His words: “The public has been coerced through fear to participate in an experiment that they are told is not an experiment… In Canada the government information assures people that all the normal safety protocols have been followed and that this is an approved vaccine. But it’s not approved [by Health Canada]…"

I can attest to that. We've been bombarded with infantile graphics in bright colours from Gov Canada telling us that COVID vaccines have been properly tested and approved.

Have they?

Also, apologies for beating a dead horse, but: should any of these vaccines be given to youths age 12 -17? My federal and provincial governments and the entire Canadian media give that a hard "Yes."
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Belligerent Savant » Sat Jun 12, 2021 2:58 pm

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Very helpful and articulate context, streeb. Thank you for sharing these details.

I'm strongly inclined to call out opposition to Hoffe's efforts here, if they're indeed as indicated, as shameful at best. And those attempting to silence and ostracize Hoffe are participating and complicit in crimes against humanity.

It's despicable, the coercion and near-bully tactics employed in pushing these experimental shots.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby stickdog99 » Sat Jun 12, 2021 3:01 pm

The Bernician » 12 Jun 2021 12:05 wrote:
stickdog99 » Sat Jun 12, 2021 11:35 am wrote:OK, great. Let's concede that you have managed to cast doubt on the messengers. Would you care to address any of their messages?

Seriously. I am still looking for the data that show that the benefits of wearing masks, locking down cities, closing schools, and injecting hundreds of millions (including kids) with experimental vaccines during an ongoing pandemic clearly exceed the costs and risks.

Do you have any of these data to share?


I'd like to second that. I've asked for counter-arguments in real life, in a spirit of genuine inquiry from those I thought would be receptive to that, and been met with less-than-positive responses. I'd genuinely love to hear actual, reasoned arguments for any of the above, because it's really important to me not to fall into a wormhole of hearing only reinforcing views. But I haven't encountered much of this stuff out in the world.


Because I live in the "liberal" bastion of San Francisco, and because my political sympathies are basically far left libertarian (not the Koch brothers bastardized version), I found it much more comfortable to socialize (while "appropriately" distanced, of course) before I actually took the time to analyze the actual scientific data for and against masks. I just blithely assumed that masks made intuitive sense in terms of controlling the spread of respiratory illness and further that they were nothing but a minor inconvenience at worst and that wearing one religiously was the least that I could do to help stop the spread of COVID-19.

I even routinely skipped over Belligerent Savant's "anti-mask" posts on this very thread, figuring that they were ripped off of some outlandish Trump-supporter website and therefore not worth my precious time. It was only when I saw Mark Crispin Miller interviewed on a Useful Idiots podcast a few months ago when I finally decided to investigate the actual scientific evidence for myself. And I have to say that when I read the supposed "scientific evidence" in favor of masks, I was stunned by how shoddy and perfused with confirmation bias every single pro-mask study I read was, and how comparatively scientific every single study questioning that efficacy and benefit vs. cost/risk study of masks was. When I casually brought this to the attention of several academic scientists I know, I was shocked by their reactions, which ranged from visceral confused disappointment that I could possibly entertain such questions to visceral hatred that I would dare express them.

And it's now basically the same story in terms of any questioning pf the necessity and wisdom of a wholly unprecedented mass experimental "vaccination" campaign of every individual, young or old, COVID-19 positive or not, during what is at least supposed to be an active pandemic. The reactions are basically straight out of the BushCo 9/11 "You're either with us or against us" playbook.

And this same reaction has played out even here on this thread. Sure, I am now subject to my own confirmation bias on these topics, but I sincerely want to hear the other side of the debate. I mean, these at least should be debatable scientific public policy questions, not political litmus tests the answers to which divide people into opposing political camps willing to commit their political opponents into "interment" camps or "reeducation" centers.

I sincerely invite anyone here who disagrees with me to explain to me how I too can learn to quit worrying and love masks, lockdowns, and a what I currently feel is a completely unnecessary mass experimental vaccine campaign.

I admit that I am not the easiest person to disagree with, but trust me that on these topics, I sincerely would be much happier if I could see things your way.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby stickdog99 » Sat Jun 12, 2021 3:17 pm

Belligerent Savant » 12 Jun 2021 18:58 wrote:.

Very helpful and articulate context, streeb. Thank you for sharing these details.

I'm strongly inclined to call out opposition to Hoffe's efforts here, if they're indeed as indicated, as shameful at best. And those attempting to silence and ostracize Hoffe are participating and complicit in crimes against humanity.

It's despicable, the coercion and near-bully tactics employed in pushing these experimental shots.


In my experience, this is the typical playbook whenever any medical professional or accredited scientist questions anything about any vaccine or vaccine schedule publicly. Since anyone who advocates informed consent for vaccination is "anti-vax" and since we all know anyone who is "anti-vax" is by definition an unclean murderous heathen, then these medical and scientific professional must be summarily punished, demeaned, and ostracized regardless of the scientific merits of their questions merely for their unquestionable crime of giving aid and comfort to the enemy.

This "logic" basically pervades the medical community to the point that even doctors who see their own patients die from vaccination injuries routine dissuade survivors from making VAERS reports about these vaccine injuries so as not to give any aid and comfort to the enemy.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Belligerent Savant » Sun Jun 13, 2021 7:06 pm

stickdog99 » Sat Jun 12, 2021 2:01 pm wrote:
Because I live in the "liberal" bastion of San Francisco, and because my political sympathies are basically far left libertarian (not the Koch brothers bastardized version), I found it much more comfortable to socialize (while "appropriately" distanced, of course) before I actually took the time to analyze the actual scientific data for and against masks. I just blithely assumed that masks made intuitive sense in terms of controlling the spread of respiratory illness and further that they were nothing but a minor inconvenience at worst and that wearing one religiously was the least that I could do to help stop the spread of COVID-19.

I even routinely skipped over Belligerent Savant's "anti-mask" posts on this very thread, figuring that they were ripped off of some outlandish Trump-supporter website and therefore not worth my precious time. It was only when I saw Mark Crispin Miller interviewed on a Useful Idiots podcast a few months ago when I finally decided to investigate the actual scientific evidence for myself. And I have to say that when I read the supposed "scientific evidence" in favor of masks, I was stunned by how shoddy and perfused with confirmation bias every single pro-mask study I read was, and how comparatively scientific every single study questioning that efficacy and benefit vs. cost/risk study of masks was. When I casually brought this to the attention of several academic scientists I know, I was shocked by their reactions, which ranged from visceral confused disappointment that I could possibly entertain such questions to visceral hatred that I would dare express them.


Credit due for allowing yourself to break through the contrived divisions created over the past year, which no doubt contributed to prolonging this absolute tragedy. Millions likely deciding based on political considerations -- or their hate for the opposing party and/or their followers -- rather than sober assessment of the data.

To me, it's unforgivable -- for those that consider themselves to be autonomous thinkers -- to succumb to this, and they continue to buckle down on the lies despite growing evidence demonstrating the contrary. Problem is, many don't realize just how conditioned and prone to suggestion they are to media narratives (and this includes "alternative" media), across all political spectrums.

No one is immune to it, myself included. But self-awareness is an important first step.

Meanwhile, the G7 figureheads/puppets/charlatans laugh it up -- no "social distancing"; no masks (though figurative masks abound); no post-travel "self-quarantine".

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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Grizzly » Sun Jun 13, 2021 9:15 pm

Anyone posted this yet?



Dr. Robert Malone is the inventor of mRNA Vaccine technology.
Mr. Steve Kirsch is a serial entrepreneur who has been researching adverse reactions to COVID vaccines.

Dr. Bret Weinstein is an evolutionary biologist.
Bret talks to Robert and Steve about the pandemic, treatment and the COVID vaccines.
Bret's Twitter: HTTPS://twitter.com/bretweinstein

Steve's paper on COVID vaccine reactions: https://trialsitenews.com/should-you-...
Steve's Twitter: HTTPS://twitter.com/stkirsch
COVID-19 Early Treatment Fund: https://www.treatearly.org/team/steve...

Dr. Malone's website: https://www.rwmalonemd.com/mrna-vacci...
Robert's LinkedIn profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rwmalonemd
Robert's Twitter: HTTPS://twitter.com/RWMaloneMD
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby stickdog99 » Sun Jun 13, 2021 9:55 pm

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/ ... 100759002/

246 vaccinated residents diagnosed with COVID; 3 dead, Michigan reports

As many as 246 Michigan residents considered fully vaccinated against COVID-19 were later diagnosed with the virus, and three have died, state officials confirmed Monday.

The cases were reported between Jan. 1 and March 31, and the 246 had a positive test 14 or more days after the last dose in the vaccine series, said Lynn Sutfin, a spokeswoman for the Michigan Department of Health and Human Services, in an email.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Belligerent Savant » Mon Jun 14, 2021 1:01 pm

Belligerent Savant » Mon Jun 14, 2021 12:00 pm wrote:.
Fortunate serendipity, KM, indeed. All of these anecdotes underscore, among other things, that there is wide variety to the ecosystem of each body, and to mandate, coerce or push wide-scale vaccination across populations/demographics is sheer lunacy -- and criminal, especially for those least at risk of severe symptoms from Covid.
(especially when it's becoming increasingly clear there are other sound and efficient treatment options available out there with far less side-effects)

Tragic case in point:

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1404 ... 91939.html

19-year-old Simone Scott was excited to get her second dose of @moderna_tx’s #Covid vaccine on May 1.

Now her mother Valerie Kraimer is arranging her funeral.


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Simone, a first-year Northwestern University student, suffered a case of apparent myocarditis-induced heart failure on Sunday, May 16.

Despite extraordinary measures to save her, including a heart transplant, she died Friday morning at Northwestern Memorial Hospital in Chicago.
Now her parents are struggling to understand what happened to Simone – and why they had no idea the Covid vaccines might cause myocarditis.
“I lost my only daughter,” Kraimer said Sunday night. “I never thought I’d have to give up my daughter for the greater good of society.”
Doctors appear to have repeatedly missed signals as Simone’s condition worsened in the two weeks following her second shot – before she abruptly crashed.

In mid-May, Israel was reporting high rates of cases of mRNA vaccine-related myocarditis in young people.
But in the United States, vaccinations had just been opened for 12-15 year-olds - and @CDCgov played down the myocarditis risk in young people.

In a statement May 17, the day after Simone died, the CDC reported that it had found “relatively few reports of myocarditis to date...”
Simone’s physicians still have not confirmed that her vaccine caused her heart failure.

But despite nearly a month of intense investigation, including an pathological examination of her heart after its removal in the transplant, they have offered no other explanation.
“My fear is that we’ll never know what happened to Simone,” her father, Kevin Scott, said Sunday night. “[The vaccine] is a coincidence that is too big to ignore.”

“I do suspect it was the vaccine,” Kraimer said. “If it wasn’t direct, it played a role.”
Simone had been a healthy young woman, her only notable illnesses a bout of pneumonia when she was an infant and a second in high school.

She told her mother in sixth grade she wanted to go to Northwestern. Six years later she applied early to the university and was accepted.
“She was very, very disciplined," Kraimer said.

That discipline extended to her attitude toward Covid. She always wore masks and followed Northwestern’s sometimes onerous rules about testing when the school allowed its first-year students on campus in January.
Despite its Covid restrictions, the school was everything she hoped, her mother said.

She produced stories for the school’s in-house television network and quickly made friends.

“She was a Wildcat [the Northwestern mascot] through and through,” Kraimer said. “She bled purple.”
And when Illinois opened vaccinations to younger people, she quickly made an appointment.

“She took it upon herself to get vaccinated,” Kevin Scott said.

But she suffered serious short-term side effects after her first dose April 3 and never fully recovered, her parents said.
Throughout April she had a cough and and felt fatigued. Simone checked in with her mother, who lived near Cincinnati, frequently. Kraimer asked her to go to a doctor.

But neither Simone nor her mother considered whether the vaccine might be behind her symptoms, Kraimer said.
“We thought it was either allegories or a sinus infection.”

So on May 1, as scheduled, Simone received her second Moderna vaccination. This time she had fewer immediate side effects.
But when she flew back to Ohio to surprise her mother for Mother’s Day, Sunday May 9, Kraimer noticed she seemed tired. And Simone told her mother she’d had repeated nosebleeds.

Kraimer told her she needed to make an appointment with a doctor.
Back in Illinois on Wednesday, May 12, she did.

But the visit was virtual and Simone forgot to mention that she’d noticed swelling the day before in her lymph nodes.

The physician told her she probably had allergies.
The next day, she had a low fever and went to the student health clinic. Tests for Sars-Cov-2, flu, and other viruses were negative.

A doctor noted Simone’s heartbeat was irregular but discharged her, telling her to go to the emergency room if the problem worsened, Kraimer said.
The following day she’d developed a sore throat. She went back to the clinic. By now Kraimer was worried enough to insist her daugher FaceTime the visit.

Simone was told she might have a viral infection, given an anti-viral prescription, and again sent back to her dorm room.
By Friday night she was suffering severe fatigue.

Still, her parents assumed she was simply rundown and sick, especially since doctors had now seen her three times in three days.

“People do get sick, and you get some rest, and you sleep, and you get through it,” Kraimer said.
But everything changed Sunday, May 16. Simone texted her father she was too dizzy to get out of bed or eat.

Her mother packed a bag and began the drive from Ohio to Illinois. Her dad called campus police and asked them to check on her. After initially refusing, the police did.
They found Simone unable to walk and called an ambulance to take her to nearby North Shore Hospital.

Kraimer arrived there that night. When she explained who she was there to see, she was escorted into a waiting room. “That’s when I knew things were not right,” she said.
A doctor appeared, telling her that her daughter had gone into heart failure as she was being transported to the hospital and needed immediate surgery.

“They said her heart was not functioning and they needed to insert a balloon pump to get it working.”
Doctors almost immediately diagnosed Simone with myocarditis - heart inflammation, often caused by viral infection. "They did at that point suspect that it was myocarditis," Kraimer said. "They were thinking it was a virus that had attacked her heart."
But Simone's implant failed to restore her heart function. The next day, she was placed on ECMO, a heart-lung bypass. Nearly a month of increasingly desperate medical procedures followed.
On May 20, with a transplant looming, Simone was moved to Northwestern Memorial, the university’s primary teaching hospital.

She was sedated most of the time, but doctors sometimes lightened the sedation enough for her to text her parents. “Am I going home with you?” she asked.
On Sunday, May 23, Simone’s physicians told her parents that her heart did not seem to be recovering on its own and a transplant was her best option.

“We didn’t have much choice,” Kraimer said.

She had the transplant that night. Ultimately, her new heart did begin to pump.
But her lungs had been severely damaged, and the immunosuppressive drugs necessary for her to avoid rejecting the transplant led to severe lung infections.

After a few hopeful days, her prognosis dimmed.
Her parents never completely lost hope.

But on the morning of Friday, June 11, her doctors told them that they could no longer control her blood pressure and that they should come to say goodbye.

At 11:19 a.m., Simone Scott died. She was 19.
Kraimer and Simone's father repeatedly asked whether the hospital intended to report the case to VAERS, the federal system to report vaccine side effects.

Doctors did not seem particularly interested in doing so for most of the time Simone was there, Kraimer said.
“We kept asking if they did and nobody could tell us if they did,” Kraimer said. “It was just a runaround.”

Finally, the day before Simone died, a physician’s assistant promised to report the case.
With their daughter gone, Simone's parents are now hoping that her story will – at the least – raise awareness of the potential for post-Covid vaccine myocarditis.

“I never knew that there was a risk for something as serious as this,” Kraimer said. “I would have wanted to.”
In the meantime, they are left to mourn the loss of their only child.

On May 12, four days before Simone collapsed, Northwestern required all its students – with very limited exceptions – to be vaccinated for the fall 2021 term.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby mentalgongfu2 » Tue Jun 15, 2021 3:03 am

246 vaccinated residents diagnosed with COVID; 3 dead, Michigan reports

As many as 246 Michigan residents considered fully vaccinated against COVID-19 were later diagnosed with the virus, and three have died, state officials confirmed Monday.

The cases were reported between Jan. 1 and March 31, and the 246 had a positive test 14 or more days after the last dose in the vaccine series, said Lynn Sutfin, a spokeswoman for the Michigan Department of Health and Human Services, in an email.


Well, the three must have had underlying conditions, right, cause COVID-19 is just a mild flu, and the only casualties have underlying conditions. Isn't that the narrative we're going with? So even if the vaccine gave them Covid, they should have survived since it's just a mild flu.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Tue Jun 15, 2021 6:32 am

stickdog99 » 12 Jun 2021 11:22 wrote:https://www.researchsquare.com/article/rs-558954/v1

“Vaccine-Induced Covid-19 Mimicry” Syndrome:

Splice reactions within the SARS-CoV-2 Spike open reading frame result in Spike protein variants that may cause thromboembolic events in patients immunized with vector-based vaccines

Eric Kowarz, Lea Krutzke, Jenny Reis, Silvia Bracharz, Stefan Kochanek, Rolf Marschalek

Abstract

During the last months many countries have started the immunization of millions of people by using vector-based vaccines. Unfortunately, severe side effects became overt during these vaccination campaigns: cerebral venous sinus thromboses (CVST), absolutely rare under normal life conditions, were found as a severe side effect that occured 4-14 days after first vaccinations. Besides CVST, Splanchnic Vein Thrombosis (SVT) was also observed. This type of adverse event has not been observed in the clinical studies of AstraZeneca, and therefore led immediately to a halt in vaccinations in several European countries. These events were mostly associated with thrombocytopenia, and thus, similar to the well-known Heparin-induced thrombo­cytopenia (HIT).

Meanwhile, scientists have proposed a mechanism to explain this vaccine-induced thrombocytopenia. However, they do not provide a satisfactory explanation for the late thromboembolic events. Here, we present data that may explain these severe side effects which have been attributed to adenoviral vaccines. According to our results, transcription of wildtype and codon-optimized Spike open reading frames enables alternative splice events that lead to C-terminal truncated, soluble Spike protein variants. These soluble Spike variants may initiate severe side effects when binding to ACE2-expressing endothelial cells in blood vessels. In analogy to the thromboembolic events caused by Spike protein encoded by the SARS-CoV-2 virus, we termed the underlying disease mechanism the “Vaccine-Induced Covid-19 Mimicry” syndrome (VIC19M syndrome).


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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Belligerent Savant » Tue Jun 15, 2021 8:16 am

mentalgongfu2 » Tue Jun 15, 2021 2:03 am wrote:
246 vaccinated residents diagnosed with COVID; 3 dead, Michigan reports

As many as 246 Michigan residents considered fully vaccinated against COVID-19 were later diagnosed with the virus, and three have died, state officials confirmed Monday.

The cases were reported between Jan. 1 and March 31, and the 246 had a positive test 14 or more days after the last dose in the vaccine series, said Lynn Sutfin, a spokeswoman for the Michigan Department of Health and Human Services, in an email.


Well, the three must have had underlying conditions, right, cause COVID-19 is just a mild flu, and the only casualties have underlying conditions. Isn't that the narrative we're going with? So even if the vaccine gave them Covid, they should have survived since it's just a mild flu.


You're assuming the cause of death is simply 'covid', when near-term adverse effects for these shots exhibit a number of contributing factors/ill effects.

These experimental shots are -- in certain instances -- causing all sorts of internal issues: clotting, inflammation, sending mixed signals to the body's immune system, etc. Multiple contributing factors leading to dis-ease. And are we now simply ignoring that vaccinated individuals are reportedly getting infected with covid? What, exactly, is the purpose of these experimental shots (more pointedly, 'the purpose' as sold to the passive consumer) if not to prevent catching this covid virus? Could it be that it doesn't work as advertised? Could it be that it may actually cause harm?

Instead, your response is: "See? Says here cause of death was covid -- so clearly covid is actually lethal... how do you resolve that one, conspiratards?!"

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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby elfismiles » Tue Jun 15, 2021 9:18 am

Was just about to ... here is an excerpt:

Spike protein is very dangerous, it's cytotoxic (Robert Malone, Steve Kirsch, Bret Weinstein)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Du2wm5nhTXY

Grizzly » 14 Jun 2021 01:15 wrote:Anyone posted this yet?



Dr. Robert Malone is the inventor of mRNA Vaccine technology.
Mr. Steve Kirsch is a serial entrepreneur who has been researching adverse reactions to COVID vaccines.

Dr. Bret Weinstein is an evolutionary biologist.
Bret talks to Robert and Steve about the pandemic, treatment and the COVID vaccines.
Bret's Twitter: HTTPS://twitter.com/bretweinstein

Steve's paper on COVID vaccine reactions: https://trialsitenews.com/should-you-...
Steve's Twitter: HTTPS://twitter.com/stkirsch
COVID-19 Early Treatment Fund: https://www.treatearly.org/team/steve...

Dr. Malone's website: https://www.rwmalonemd.com/mrna-vacci...
Robert's LinkedIn profile: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rwmalonemd
Robert's Twitter: HTTPS://twitter.com/RWMaloneMD
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