Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

[Joe Hillshoist]

The stats are juked in Australia. Deaths are pretty much all aged care who were last gasp anyhow. Positive cases unaccounted for. Most the stats come out of Victoria, and the health department of that State can't be trusted.

So as usual, data does not equal reality in Australia.

And you base this on what?

[Joe Hillshoist]

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So you're saying it's not a virus? What is it, then?

Anyway, if it hasn't yet been isolated, what do these shots contain? A reported synthetic replication. Among other ingredients.

There's no data that I've seen that says "the virus side-effects are the same as the vaccine".

Does this covid virus cause myocarditis? Because that's one of the primary adverse effects of these shots, particularly on the young.

Yes it does. The virus itself and the immune response can both cause myocarditis in infected patients.

IMO the virus is a synthetic virus. Ie it most likely came from a lab and was either an accidental leak or a deliberate act.

Show me the raw stats for this.

In any event, how does any of your commentary provide incentive/justification for taking these synthetic experimental shots? For a 'virus' with, again, less than a 0.2 IFR and survival rate of over 99% (for those not of advanced age and/or in long term care)?

Raw stats for what?

I don't have time to chase up raw stats for you however the receptor for SARS2 (ACE2) is expressed in heart muscle tissue. if you don't think infection will cause myocraditis you need to explain why. After all it was reported in china from early last year and there is an acknowledged biological mechanism for this.

If you're interested in learning about how this all works you can start here:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7199677/

If not don't worry about it. There are stats linked thruout the footnotes.

BTW What the fuck is this:

In any event, how does any of your commentary provide incentive/justification for taking these synthetic experimental shots?

What does this have to do with what I said? I'm not trying to convince you or anyone else here to do anything. You're free to live your own life and make your own decisions.

You seem to think that myocarditis is a unique effect caused by the vaccine instead of something caused by cellular damage to heart muscles. It isn't.

[Belligerent Savant]

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I asked for raw data that shows myocarditis as a consistent feature of covid infection. I never typed that I believe myocarditis to be a "unique effect caused by the vaccine". But young fucking people overwhelmingly did NOT suffer from myocarditis if they were infected with covid. Indeed, young people overwhelmingly had minimal symptoms at best. Yet after getting these shots, myocarditis is a prominent side-effect afflicting (a small percentage of) the young in particular. THIS is my fucking point. Why are young people taking these fucking shots if they are the LEAST at risk of serious symptoms from covid? And asymptomatic spread is NOT common for viral transmission, despite fearporn to the contrary, so there's no reason for those NOT at risk to take these experimental shots. And importantly, there's no reason for governments and bureaucrats to push (hard coerce) these fucking shots on the younger demographics.



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BSavant: In any event, how does any of your commentary provide incentive/justification for taking these synthetic experimental shots?

What does this have to do with what I said? I'm not trying to convince you or anyone else here to do anything. You're free to live your own life and make your own decisions.

I'm not suggesting you're attempting to "convince" us here of anything, but you seem to be ok with these shots, generally, is that right? Perhaps you can clarify your position, given the current information available to you.

[Joe Hillshoist]

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I asked for raw data that shows myocarditis as a consistent feature of covid infection. I never typed that I believe myocarditis to be a "unique effect caused by the vaccine". But young fucking people overwhelmingly did NOT suffer from myocarditis if they were infected with covid. Indeed, young people overwhelmingly had minimal symptoms at best. Yet after getting these shots, myocarditis is a prominent side-effect afflicting (a small percentage of) the young in particular. THIS is my fucking point. Why are young people taking these fucking shots if they are the LEAST at risk of serious symptoms from covid? And asymptomatic spread is NOT common for viral transmission, despite fearporn to the contrary, so there's no reason for those NOT at risk to take these experimental shots. And importantly, there's no reason for governments and bureaucrats to push (hard coerce) these fucking shots on the younger demographics.

re the bolded bit. You don't know this. Nobody does. Its information that was never looked for or gathered.

Long term effects of mild myocarditis might only show up after years, as you age or if you take up intense exercise or find yourself in a situation where your heart has to work very hard, harder than it normally does. The symptom of fatigue associated with COVID19 suggests some heart damage, altho it could just be a result of lung damage.

I've said this before but a Symptom is a self reported reaction to something. Asymptomatic just means you haven't noticed you have something. It doesn't mean you don't have it. 2 people with exactly the same viral loads of covid may be asymptomatic and symptomatic at the same time because one hasn't noticed symtpoms or hasn't been bothered by them. But I don't think this is true for COVID19:

And asymptomatic spread is NOT common for viral transmission, despite fearporn to the contrary

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BSavant: In any event, how does any of your commentary provide incentive/justification for taking these synthetic experimental shots?

What does this have to do with what I said? I'm not trying to convince you or anyone else here to do anything. You're free to live your own life and make your own decisions.

I'm not suggesting you're attempting to "convince" us here of anything, but you seem to be ok with these shots, generally, is that right? Perhaps you can clarify your current position, given current information available to you.

I don't know enough to have an opinion yet. I haven't had a vaccine yet but am tending toward having one at some point because the number of people I know who have had one is increasing all the time and so far only a couple have shown any side effects and they were standard for what you'd expect for any vaccine. IE similar to an immune response to the virus the vaccine is sposed to protect against. I don't know of anyone who has had the sort of serious side effects that keep getting mentioned here and elsewhere. Mind you most of the vaccine doses people I know have had are of the AZ vaccine.

In Australia the AZ vaccine is only available to people over 50, except by request and provided you sign a waiver saying you understand there is an increased risk of TTS, ie blood clotting and a low platlet count. Of the 3.6 million doses claimed to have been administered of the AZ vaccine 50 people have ended up in hospital and two have died as a result of TTS.

One of them died yesterday and was 52 and as a result the ATAGI (Aust. Technical Advisory Group on Immunisation) recommended the minimum age of the vaccine be upped to 60.

2 deaths out of 3.6 million cases inspired that response. We don't really have much of the other sorts of vaccines in Australia right now.

Despite all that I'm still willing to take my chances on the AZ Vaccine if I decide to have it soon. That hasn't changed my mind.

But i am still undecided because I'd prefer to get a standard/traditional vaccine if I was gonna get one.


There is a traditional vaccine made by Novavax that will be available soon and I'll prefer to wait for that.

[drstrangelove]

The stats are juked in Australia. Deaths are pretty much all aged care who were last gasp anyhow. Positive cases unaccounted for. Most the stats come out of Victoria, and the health department of that State can't be trusted.

So as usual, data does not equal reality in Australia.

And you base this on what?

I live in Vic. The health department is currently pleading for people to come get tested because they can't find any more cases to justify keeping us locked down. I have no doubt that cunt Jerome Wiemar would fiddle about with the PCR thresholds, drop them down to 20 just to get a few weak positives and the vaccination rate up. We haven't had a single covid death in the country for six months and we've had hundreds of cases in quarantine. The death rate and IFR of covid here is obviously skewed because the virus ripped through the federal aged care facilities.

Pretty soon they'll be using the weak positives in the waste water tests to keep us locked down and we'll have to start shitting in buckets to get the positives cases down.

[Pele'sDaughter]

On May 18, Gov Abbott lifted the mask mandate in Texas, including counties, cities, school districts, public health authorities, or government officials. Many stores have dropped the mask requirement as well, however, people are still wearing them! The false narrative has worked, y'all! We're conditioned now.

The new battleground is over being required to get the vaccine, but one lawsuit by health workers has already been tossed.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/covid-vacc ... al-system/

[Grizzly]

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[Belligerent Savant]

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Re: AZ vaccine in Australia.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-06-17/ ... /100222464

AstraZeneca COVID vaccine use recommended for over 60s only following ATAGI meeting

The AstraZeneca vaccine will now only be recommended for use in people aged 60 and over, after the federal government accepted new advice from the country's vaccine experts.

The vaccine was recommended for use in people over 50.

Health Minister Greg Hunt said the federal government accepted the medical advice from the Australian Technical Advisory Group on Immunisation (ATAGI).

People under 60 will now be offered the Pfizer vaccine.

"We will move to open access to Pfizer immediately for 40- to 59-year-olds. This will open to approximately 2.1 million people in that 50 to 59 group who have not yet had vaccinations," Mr Hunt said.

He said the country remained on track to provide a vaccine dose to every Australian who wanted one by the end of 2021.

Chief Medical Officer Paul Kelly said the latest advice was still that anyone who received a first dose of AstraZeneca without any adverse effects should get their second dose.

Some experts had been calling for a review of the age rule, after a 52-year-old woman became the second person in Australia to die from an extremely rare clotting condition linked to the virus.

Health Department Secretary Brendan Murphy said there was a chance the updated advice would impact vaccine hesitancy in Australia.

But he said current data showed there had been an increase in the number of people indicating they wanted to get a vaccine, to 70 per cent of Australians.

As if the Pfizer shot is any better. Not by coincidence that it's an mRNA vaccine. There is a pattern emerging of the Establishment pushing mRNA vaccines over other options (by highlighting potential harms of the other non-mRNA shots in mainstream press while suppressing adverse effects of the Moderna/Pfizer 'vaccines').

And yet, the dutiful followers will continue to line up for the shots. Eyes and ears closed, mouths muzzled with cloth.

To all those RIers considering a Covid shot: have any of you even considered Ivermectin or Hydroxychloroquine as alternatives? If not, why not?

[Karmamatterz]

It boggles the mind that anyone would want an experimental vaccine when there are simple treatments that are extremely inexpensive.

Just because the corrupt FDA hasn't approved the treatments doesn't mean your doctor won't prescribe it. Some might push back, but if it were me I would persist and find a doctor who isn't an a-hole that has succumbed to the fear mongering and peer pressure.

I've never gotten a flu shot "vaccine" and never will. In fact, I would rather wallow in misery for days than take an experimental vaccine that has been shoved onto use for the greed of big pharma and other nefarious reasons.

Also, consider sunshine, exercise, fresh air and a better diet. The biosecurity state and their devoted followers rarely, if ever discuss exercise and diet. They like sick people. They love sick and healthy people who do their marketing for them. Don't we have enough schills like Scott Gottlieb? For those that don't know, he was the FDA commissioner and now sits on the board of directors of Pfizer. Gee, what a coincidence. Gottlieb actively discredits or comments negatively about J&J, AZ etc... and soft pedals Pfizer as being safe.

[Joe Hillshoist]

The stats are juked in Australia. Deaths are pretty much all aged care who were last gasp anyhow. Positive cases unaccounted for. Most the stats come out of Victoria, and the health department of that State can't be trusted.

So as usual, data does not equal reality in Australia.

And you base this on what?

I live in Vic. The health department is currently pleading for people to come get tested because they can't find any more cases to justify keeping us locked down. I have no doubt that cunt Jerome Wiemar would fiddle about with the PCR thresholds, drop them down to 20 just to get a few weak positives and the vaccination rate up. We haven't had a single covid death in the country for six months and we've had hundreds of cases in quarantine. The death rate and IFR of covid here is obviously skewed because the virus ripped through the federal aged care facilities.

Pretty soon they'll be using the weak positives in the waste water tests to keep us locked down and we'll have to start shitting in buckets to get the positives cases down.

Do you? Nice and warm down there right now.

What footy team do you support? shits me there is no vfl or kids (Nab) footy on at the moment.

I agree with the bolded but given what happened last year I can see why. They would be gun shy and paranoid. But it should have been lifted by now. Its farcical. Then again given the media in Victoria I can also understand why any government that wasn't LNP would behave the way they have. But how is anyone gonna get a choof?

I don't know anything about Wiemar tho.

The death rate and IFR of covid here is obviously skewed because the virus ripped through the federal aged care facilities.

But that is what will happen. If it gets out of control it will rip thru those places, and the rest of the community and the death rate will be skewed cos it will kill heaps of old cunts.

My old girl lives down there, in Sunbury. There were 35 deaths in an old folks home down there and people I know who were in that home got covid but didn't die. (She is still at her home not in some institution.)

She is right in that vulnerable group, nearly 80. I (and my kids) haven't seen her for 18 months. I don't want to see her get this and get sick or die.

[drstrangelove]

Well the original plan was to vaccinate the vulnerable and open back up. But they are keeping everyone in perpetual on and off lockdown until all demographics have been vaccinated and given a digital identity card to validate them for the opening back up into a new normal.

How long is she(your old girl) meant to remain vulnerable for? She would've been given the opportunity to take the vaccine, which i think for her demographic is a good idea, but after that there isn't much to be done and she should be allowed to get on with her life, like seeing you and your kids.

[dada]

When did living life become a purely social thing? It's been the big topic in nine-tenths of the NYTimes for the last six months, "everyone is chomping at the bit, can't wait to get back to living life." I guess that I missed the memo. Because I've been living it the whole time. Really living it, too.

Makes me wonder what actual living looks like to society. My life must look like death, or at least doesn't qualify as living. Which is funny, because it is pretty much how society looks to me.

Of course I don't say that out loud to society. I'm a nice person. But society has no problem saying it out loud, having no idea what it sounds like to actual, living people like me. I mean what kind of life is that, where if your routine is thrown off, you feel like you're not alive? How is that living?

Anyway, I know this is off topic, since I'm saying it, it must be. Just ranting, spinning letters into the digital void.

[Joe Hillshoist]

Well the original plan was to vaccinate the vulnerable and open back up. But they are keeping everyone in perpetual on and off lockdown until all demographics have been vaccinated and given a digital identity card to validate them for the opening back up into a new normal.

How long is she(your old girl) meant to remain vulnerable for? She would've been given the opportunity to take the vaccine, which i think for her demographic is a good idea, but after that there isn't much to be done and she should be allowed to get on with her life, like seeing you and your kids.

She had the first shot of the AZ vaccine. Second one due soon. As soon as they let Victorians across the Murray I want her to come up here.

We already have digital id cards. Unless you don't have a smart phone with you all the time.

[drstrangelove]

I'm definitely being tracked and all my digital activity is recorded, but they can't use it because it hasn't been normalized. I use a vpn for sensitive traffic and don't take my phone everywhere because i don't have to yet. I'm aware the current state of privacy is mostly psychological, like wearing clothes. But the greatest protection from the State using this against society is that people aren't ready to walk around naked.

I'm against digital Id cards because they normalise State regulation of free movement. Sure, they can monitor me, but I want them to do to it secretly, like a little dirty voyeur who fears the shame of being outed as a pervert should their filthy fetish ever be revealed. Basically, i have a 'look but not touch' policy like most strippers. And i currently feel that filthy hand running up my thigh, so i'm going to slap that shit away so they know their boundaries.

[Belligerent Savant]

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Great analogy. I'm perplexed why this still needs to be spelled out/articulated here. Why are there continued attempts to justify clear and egregious overreach?