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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby DrEvil » Fri Jun 25, 2021 11:11 am

Belligerent Savant » Fri Jun 25, 2021 1:30 am wrote:.
So you're comparing me to the WHO now, as an apples to apples comparison?
Do i need to tell you how absurd and insipid this comparison is?
Are you truly this obtuse to believe the reason for the change is benign, as you allude?

The agenda is clear: push these experimental shots as thoroughly as possible, and minimize any suggestion otherwise. The WHO didn't 'update their view', for fuck's sake. They softened their stance after pressure was applied by those with influence when their initial stance (advising against vaccinating children, in no uncertain terms) was spread far and wide in short order, adding to the legitimate FUD surrounding these experimental shots.

You're getting as desperate as they are.


Yes, I'm comparing you to the WHO in the sense that you both update your views as time passes. Notice how I said nothing on whether I think those views are correct or honest. You also bolded the wrong part of the change:

WHO's Strategic Advisory Group of Experts (SAGE) has concluded that the Pfizer/BionTech vaccine is suitable for use by people aged 12 years and above. Children aged between 12 and 15 who are at high risk may be offered this vaccine alongside other priority groups for vaccination.


Quick change:

WHO's Strategic Advisory Group of Experts (SAGE) has concluded that the Pfizer/BionTech vaccine is suitable for use by people aged 12 years and above. Children aged between 12 and 15 who are at high risk may be offered this vaccine alongside other priority groups for vaccination.


Whaddayouknow? The messaging has changed, simply by moving a couple of tags around.

Edit: brainfart.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby stickdog99 » Sat Jun 26, 2021 5:42 pm

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/covid-19 ... ff5aba8faa

But half of the adults infected had been fully vaccinated with the Pfizer vaccine, Balicer said.

About 90% of the new infections in Israel were likely caused by the delta variant, the Journal reported.


Hmmm. So how does Israel respond? By mandating the vaccination of little kids and reinstating mask mandates, of course!

Spurred by the new information, the Israeli government has now reimposed an indoor mask mandate and quickly expanded its vaccination program to include children ages 12 to 15.

LOL. Of course, the only "solution" the vaccine not working is of course to vaccinate more aggressively!

“Vaccine alone won’t stop community transmission.”

Yep. So vaccinate more aggressively, of course!

Chief White House medical adviser Dr. Anthony Fauci warned that the delta variant will soon be the dominant form of the coronavirus in the U.S., but he emphasized that the danger is to those not yet vaccinated.

“It’s the unvaccinated people that we’re concerned about,” Fauci said in an interview Wednesday on NBC’s “Today” show. “They’ve got to start paying attention to it now because if they’re unvaccinated, they’re at risk.”


Yep. See, even though the vaccines don't protect against this variant, it's only the unvaccinated who need to worry!

If the delta variant is allowed to spread through unvaccinated people, there’s not only a heightened risk of severe illness but also a chance it could mutate and form yet another deadly new variant that could be less affected or even unaffected by current vaccines, experts warn.

And even though viral evolution would of course select for the Delta variant far more aggressively in the vaccinated than in the unvaccinated population, it's only this variant's potential to mutate among the unvaccinated population that is in any way worrisome!

It's literally as if a different "logic" applies to the vaccinated. They don't need to worry about COVID-19 testing when traveling or temperature scans when entering confined indoor locations because they are vaccinated. They don't need to worry about getting COVID-19 variants that their vaccine does not protect against because they are vaccinated. And we don't need to worry about any of the COVID-19 variants that are mutating inside their bodies because they are vaccinated.

Still, everybody should always wear masks forever, of course.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby conniption » Sat Jun 26, 2021 6:30 pm

Off-Guardian

DISCUSS: Latest anti-lockdown protests hit London

Jun 26, 2021


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Another huge wave of people took to the streets of London today, protesting the Covid restrictions, proposed vaccine passports, injections for children and other dystopian aspects of our authoritarian new normal.

Similar protests have been happening regularly since the imposition of Lockdown in March last year, including last month when well over 100,000 people (some estimates said 1million+) turned up.

The march was practically ignored by the mainstream, with the BBC reporting a turnout of “hundreds” despite video evidence showing at least 1000x that number.

Today’s crowd was no smaller, maybe even larger, and certainly just as passionate…

…and covered not quite as sparingly in the mainstream media.

The BBC learned their lesson and quoted “thousands”, instead of hundreds – still an underestimate, but progress.

Though it was still notably absent from the front pages of the Guardian and others. RT had some coverage, as they are always happy to embarrass the UK.

Perhaps most telling, and hopeful, was the lack of traction any mockery got on social media. Though these protests are usually accompanied by a (largely created) chorus of “covidiots!” and “selfish lunatics!” on Twitter and Facebook et al, there was definitely less of it present today, and when it did appear the echo chamber was decidedly…less echoey.

Further protests are planned through the rest of the weekend.

Were you at the march? Do you have any videos or photographs to share? Is public support for the Covid sceptic position growing as times passes?

Discuss all this and more in the comments below.

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https://off-guardian.org/2021/06/26/dis ... it-london/
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby drstrangelove » Sat Jun 26, 2021 6:32 pm

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.u ... ing_17.pdf

page 13. Delta variant cases and deaths for < 50s & > 50s, vaccinated & unvaccinated.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby stickdog99 » Sat Jun 26, 2021 6:57 pm

drstrangelove » 26 Jun 2021 22:32 wrote:https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/996740/Variants_of_Concern_VOC_Technical_Briefing_17.pdf

page 13. Delta variant cases and deaths for < 50s & > 50s, vaccinated & unvaccinated.


So that's more Delta case hospitalizations among the >50 full vaccinated population than among the >50 unvaccinated population as well as more overall Delta variant deaths among the fully vaccinated than among the unvaccinated.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby stickdog99 » Sat Jun 26, 2021 7:31 pm

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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Grizzly » Sat Jun 26, 2021 9:35 pm

As far as the lock-downs, (aside from the three people I know who have committed suicide) Many who have lost their business's and many recovering alcoholics that have relapsed. I highly suspect we are still in a holding pattern and the real affects wont be felt until next year.

I have this lingering suspicion like a splinter in my mind, all this came about because of Epstein, BUT I have no proof. So, I guess it doesn't matter. I hope John McAfee will drop a tectonic dead man's switch and bring the whole house of cards down on the sumbitches.... But I know not to get my hopes up after the Julian Assange thing.

"I don't know what frightens me more, the power that crushes us or our ability to endure it" ... Having said that I believe when the 'levy does break', it will send a ripple all across this nation. I hope it's soon.

Addendum:

Speaking of Assange ...

Lead witness in US case against Julian Assange admits to fabricating evidence against him in exchange for a deal with the FBI. What isn’t the FBI fabricating these days? This just popped up...
https://icelandmonitor.mbl.is/news/news/2015/09/25/siggi_the_hacker_gets_three_years_in_prison/
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby stickdog99 » Sun Jun 27, 2021 3:29 am

conniption » 26 Jun 2021 22:30 wrote:
Off-Guardian

DISCUSS: Latest anti-lockdown protests hit London

Jun 26, 2021


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Another huge wave of people took to the streets of London today, protesting the Covid restrictions, proposed vaccine passports, injections for children and other dystopian aspects of our authoritarian new normal.

Similar protests have been happening regularly since the imposition of Lockdown in March last year, including last month when well over 100,000 people (some estimates said 1million+) turned up.

The march was practically ignored by the mainstream, with the BBC reporting a turnout of “hundreds” despite video evidence showing at least 1000x that number.

Today’s crowd was no smaller, maybe even larger, and certainly just as passionate…

…and covered not quite as sparingly in the mainstream media.

The BBC learned their lesson and quoted “thousands”, instead of hundreds – still an underestimate, but progress.

Though it was still notably absent from the front pages of the Guardian and others. RT had some coverage, as they are always happy to embarrass the UK.

Perhaps most telling, and hopeful, was the lack of traction any mockery got on social media. Though these protests are usually accompanied by a (largely created) chorus of “covidiots!” and “selfish lunatics!” on Twitter and Facebook et al, there was definitely less of it present today, and when it did appear the echo chamber was decidedly…less echoey.

Further protests are planned through the rest of the weekend.

Were you at the march? Do you have any videos or photographs to share? Is public support for the Covid sceptic position growing as times passes?

Discuss all this and more in the comments below.

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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby conniption » Sun Jun 27, 2021 9:45 am

Video: The Fraudulent Corona Pandemic. Crimes against Humanity. Dr. Reiner Fuellmich
By Reiner Fuellmich
Global Research, June 26, 2021


https://www.globalresearch.ca/video-the ... ch/5748678

^^^ Watch this video till the end, a statement by the lead lawyer in the alliance of global lawyers going after the criminals involved in the international virus network that started the previous “Swine Flu” Pandemic and now, the current Covid-19 pandemic.

The criminal scientists involved started the “Swine Flu” pandemic (H1N1) and got away with it some years back. They had a precedent to follow. All this criminal action is to reap multi-billion $ profits.

Remember, I disclosed that PFIZER pleaded guilty to the largest medical fraud case in USA in history relating to a drug pushed by Pfizer. So, it is not that such criminals do not exist in the pharmaceutical industry. Watch and Learn and share. (Matthias Chang)
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby stickdog99 » Sun Jun 27, 2021 4:01 pm

Please read this. It is co-authored by Tom Jefferson, who is one of the best medical scientists working today, in my humble opinion.

https://www.cebm.net/covid-19/masking-l ... -politics/

The Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine

Masking lack of evidence with politics


The increasing polarised and politicised views 1 on whether to wear masks in public during the current COVID-19 crisis hides a bitter truth on the state of contemporary research and the value we pose on clinical evidence to guide our decisions.

In 2010, at the end of the last influenza pandemic, there were six published randomised controlled trials with 4,147 participants focusing on the benefits of different types of masks. Two were done in healthcare workers and four in family or student clusters. The face mask trials for influenza-like illness (ILI) reported poor compliance, rarely reported harms and revealed the pressing need for future trials.

Despite the clear requirement to carry out further large, pragmatic trials a decade later, only six had been published: five in healthcare workers and one in pilgrims. This recent crop of trials added 9,112 participants to the total randomised denominator of 13,259 and showed that masks alone have no significant effect in interrupting the spread of ILI or influenza in the general population, nor in healthcare workers.

The design of these twelve trials differed: viral circulation was usually variable; none had been conducted during a pandemic. Outcomes were defined and reported in seven different ways, making comparison difficult. It is debatable whether any of these results could be applied to the transmission of SARs-CoV-2. Only one randomised trial (n=569) included cloth masks. This trial found ILI rates were 13 times higher in Vietnamese hospital workers allocated to cloth masks compared to medical/surgical masks, RR 13.25, (95%CI 1.74 to 100.97) and over three times higher when compared to no masks, RR 3.49 (95%CI 1.00 to 12.17).

In the study, the control group was asked to continue with their normal practices, which may or may not have included mask-wearing. Mask wearing was measured and documented for all participants, including the control arm. 170/458 (37%) used medical masks in the control arm, 38/458 (8%) used cloth masks, and 245/458 (53%) used a combination of both medical and cloth masks during the study period.

After adjusting for other factors, ILI (RR=6.64, 95% CI 1.45 to 28.65) and laboratory-confirmed virus (RR=1.72, 95% CI 1.01 to 2.94) remained significantly higher in the cloth masks group compared with the medical masks group.

It would appear that despite two decades of pandemic preparedness, there is considerable uncertainty as to the value of wearing masks. For instance, high rates of infection with cloth masks could be due to harms caused by cloth masks, or benefits of medical masks. The numerous systematic reviews that have been recently published all include the same evidence base so unsurprisingly broadly reach the same conclusions. However, recent reviews **using lower quality evidence** found masks to be effective. Whilst also recommending robust randomised trials to inform the evidence for these interventions.

Many countries have gone onto mandate masks for the public in various settings. Several others – Denmark, and Norway – generally do not. Norway’s Institute for Public Health reported that if masks did work then any difference in infection rates would be small when infection rates are low: assuming 20% asymptomatics and a risk reduction of 40% for wearing masks, 200 000 people would need to wear one to prevent one new infection per week.

What do scientists do in the face of uncertainty on the value of global interventions? Usually, they seek an answer with adequately designed and swiftly implemented clinical studies as has been partly achieved with pharmaceuticals. We consider it is unwise to infer causation based on regional geographical observations as several proponents of masks have done. Spikes in cases can easily refute correlations, compliance with masks and other measures is often variable, and confounders cannot be accounted for in such observational research.

A search of the COVID trials tracker reveals nine registered trials of which five are currently recruiting participants and one enrolling participants by invitation. In Denmark, where masks are advised for those who break self-isolation to go out to take a test, a randomised trial including 6,000 participants is assessing reductions in COVID-19 Infection Using Surgical Facial Masks Outside the Healthcare System. In Guinea-Bissau in West Africa, the Bandim Health Project is leading a 66,000 person trial – although not yet recruiting – on cloth face masks.

The small number of trials and lateness in the pandemic cycle is unlikely to give us reasonably clear answers and guide decision-makers. This abandonment of the scientific modus operandi and lack of foresight has left the field wide open for the play of opinions, radical views and political influence.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Elvis » Sun Jun 27, 2021 8:12 pm

Grizzly wrote:Speaking of Assange ...

Lead witness in US case against Julian Assange admits to fabricating evidence against him in exchange for a deal with the FBI. What isn’t the FBI fabricating these days? This just popped up...
https://icelandmonitor.mbl.is/news/news ... in_prison/


From 2015, fwiw. Is that the correct link? I don't see where it says anything about "admitting to fabricating evidence against Assange in exchange for a deal with the FBI."

There's this (2014), but ditto:

https://icelandmonitor.mbl.is/news/news ... wikileaks/

It'd be great if the US case against Assange was shown to be based on a lying snitch's plea-deal lies, but I'm not seeing that?

Feel free to reply then :backtotopic:
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby conniption » Sun Jun 27, 2021 11:14 pm

Re: Assange...
RT

Snowden declares 'end of case against Julian Assange' after newspaper reveals LIES by key witness in US extradition case

27 Jun, 2021

Key accusations in the case against WikiLeaks co-founder Julian Assange, who faces up to 175 years in prison if extradited to the US, are reportedly based on testimony from a convicted fraudster who admitted to media he was lying.

Sigurdur Ingi Thordarson, an Icelandic citizen and former WikiLeaks volunteer who became an FBI informant for $5,000, has admitted to Icelandic newspaper Stundin that he fabricated important parts of the accusations in the indictment.

In an article published on Saturday, Stundin details several parts of his testimony that he now denies, claiming that Assange never instructed him to carry out any hacking.

The newspaper points out that even though a court in London has refused to extradite Assange to the US on humanitarian grounds, it still sided with the US when it came to claims based on Thordarson's now-denied testimony. For instance, the ruling says that “Mr. Assange and Teenager failed a joint attempt to decrypt a file stolen from a 'NATO country 1' bank,” where "NATO country 1" is believed to refer to Iceland, while "Teenager" referred to Thordarson himself.

However, he now reportedly claims that the file in question can't exactly be considered "stolen" since it was assumed to have been distributed and leaked by whistleblowers inside the bank and many people online were attempting to decrypt it at the time. That's because it allegedly contained information about defaulted loans provided by Icelandic Landsbanki, the fall of which in 2008 led to a major economic crisis in the country...
continues: https://www.rt.com/news/527699-assange- ... ness-lies/



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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Grizzly » Mon Jun 28, 2021 2:29 am

https://stundin.is/grein/13627/key-witness-in-assange-case-admits-to-lies-in-indictment/


A maj­or wit­n­ess in the United States’ Depart­ment of Justice ca­se against Ju­li­an Assange has admitted to fabricat­ing key accusati­ons in the indict­ment against the Wiki­leaks found­er.

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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Elvis » Mon Jun 28, 2021 4:40 am

Grizzly » Sun Jun 27, 2021 11:29 pm wrote:https://stundin.is/grein/13627/key-witness-in-assange-case-admits-to-lies-in-indictment/


A maj­or wit­n­ess in the United States’ Depart­ment of Justice ca­se against Ju­li­an Assange has admitted to fabricat­ing key accusati­ons in the indict­ment against the Wiki­leaks found­er.

Can you see it, now?


Okay, thanks Grizzly and conniption! Will anything change? In a just world the trial would be front page news and a leading topic on the nightly news gabfests.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Grizzly » Mon Jun 28, 2021 8:07 am

BREAKING: Claims Against Assange FABRICATED

by a child molester, by a child molester, by a child molester unbelievable...
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