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Dance Till We Die
Why Covid security theater failed
Ari Schulman

Even as the war against Covid draws to an uneasy close, its skirmishes continue all around us. One of them is the ongoing irritant of Covid security theater.

Covid security theater is when we claim our actions are aimed at fighting Covid, but actually part of our motivation is just to give the impression that we’re fighting Covid. Genuinely fighting Covid may or may not be one of our goals too, but what makes theater theater is that performance is one of our goals.

So for the last year, we have worn masks in restaurants — unless we are sitting down. We have stayed six feet apart — whether we are running by on the sidewalk or sitting a table away inside for hours. We have stood behind plastic barriers at the DMV and the checkout counter — even though we know Covid floats in the air.

Many of these measures may linger for months, or conceivably years, past the end of the pandemic itself. The stink of absurdity will linger in our memories for longer.

Security theater is a visible everyday reminder that something in our country’s pandemic response went awry. Yet there is a way to see the idea of security theater as a sensible one, a recognition that the response to a pandemic must happen on a social and not just an individual level. We can imagine a theater that might have been, and that we might have been grateful for.

A Collective Response

With the behavioral rules American society settled on during Covid, a mind attuned to contradiction and rationalization could hear a cacophony enough to go mad. But of course, the standards of a prudent response could not have been those of a philosophy seminar. We were not dealing with falls from ladders or radon poisoning, threats that confront us at the individual level and can be answered in kind. Rather, the core task in stopping Covid was to prevent infection, a task inherently social in scope. Masking, distancing, crowd limits, even vaccinations: The benefit these tactics offer to any individual depends to a great degree on whether that individual’s group uses them.

Put another way, unlike, say, a decision about the best treatment to give a patient already infected, and to some extent even unlike preventing a difficult-to-transmit virus like HIV, stopping Covid was unavoidably a communal activity. Like it or not, this is the physical reality of highly contagious infections.

Responding to a threat at a group level is — with apologies for the analyst lingo — a collective action problem. Theater fulfills useful functions in responding to such a problem:

* Theater reduces the burden of making sense of a constantly shifting, conflicting, and uncertain mass of information by coordinating decision-making, conveying a sense of “This is the way our country, our city, our school is handling this.”

* For measures that work well only if most of the group opts in (like masking and distancing), theater ensures a quorum, showing that it’s worthwhile for individuals to participate because enough of the group is participating.

* Theater offers solidarity: “You’re not bearing the burdens of these restrictions, and the pain of the virus, alone. We’re all in this together, we’re all doing our part.”

* Theater simplifies permission structures, offering some sense of what is expected in social settings, what is allowed, and what is optional. This reduces the burdens of recreating social codes from scratch with each interaction.

* In principle, theater can also set limits on the burdens we are not willing to bear. It can create collective permission to relinquish measures (like school closures) that could have some effect but are just too costly, and where the benefits of relinquishment can only be realized if most people agree to opt out.

The knocks against the phoniness of security theater are obvious. But there is such a thing as good theater — particularly once we recognize the performance involved in our response as a whole, in not just the actions we take but the ones we decide not to. Against a threat like Covid, good theater was needed.

Cutting Deals

What matters in a collective response is not achieving some perfectly consistent principle to order all behavior, but just whether the general program helps achieve good enough behavior — good enough to produce a significantly better outcome than if it were not present — while setting limits on itself and balancing against other considerations.

From this perspective, we should, for example, not feel bothered by the mild absurdity of wearing masks when we stand up in a restaurant but not when we sit down. We understand that there is an element of pretend here. We pretend that it’s totally safe to unmask when we sit down, and we pretend that masking for the twenty-foot trip from table to door is really accomplishing something. But this is an example of good theater — it’s part of an overall approach that helps achieve a better-than-the-alternative outcome while also cutting us some breaks.

A program of good Covid security theater would be eager to find these balances and bargains. Understanding that the budget for pain is limited, it would focus on just a few measures that hit the sweet spot of being pretty effective (true mass testing) or pretty easy (indoor cloth masking) or both (vaccinations, indoor N95 masking), while eagerly seeking to relinquish measures that achieve little (outdoor masking, beach shaming, restrictions even after vaccination) or that are simply so painful that beyond a certain point it’s not even worth debating whether they benefit the group (school closures).

Good Covid theater would be eager to cut deals: Instead of warning direly that even after mass vaccination we don’t know whether restrictions can go away, or vacillating behind talk of a “new normal,” it would hone a message of “getting most people vaccinated is the path to normal.” Instead of fretting about risks outdoors, it would eagerly seek out the evidence showing how poorly Covid transmits outside, and encourage going mask-free outdoors as a worthy way to balance the hassle of masking indoors. Instead of warning that we’re not absolutely certain that mass vaccination will completely eliminate all risk, it would recognize that in a world of mass vaccination, risk would by any sober estimate be vastly lower than in a world without, and it would accept whatever threat still remained as the price to pay to boost the incentive for mass vaccination now.

Wrong Priorities

But the Covid security theater we wound up with was mostly of a different kind. Let’s consider a few examples:

We have invested enormous cultural energy into shaming those who do not mask, and put little focus on how well the masks we choose actually work. Our answer to mask skeptics has not been “Let’s make sure everyone understands how much better N95 masks are, invest heavily in programs to mass-manufacture and distribute them, and then let ourselves off the hook about outdoor masking” but “If you don’t mask you’re a murderer.”

Surface cleaning, understood for the better part of a year to be of limited use, has remained key to signaling adherence to safety in restaurants, hotels, schools, and public transportation — often requiring shutting everything down to do so. Effective ventilation and air filtration, understood for just as long to likely be a powerful tool, and possibly easier and cheaper than constant cleaning, has largely been ignored in our discourse and in government guidance.

From January onward, key public health messengers voiced constant doubts about whether vaccination would do much of anything to lift restrictions. In April, Anthony Fauci fretted, “I don’t think I would — even if I’m vaccinated — go into an indoor, crowded place where people are not wearing masks.” Notable media figures, including Jonathan Capehart and Joy-Ann Reid, also said they would keep masking and would not resume normal activities after getting vaccinated. And as late as May, even the CDC recommended that people should continue wearing masks in most situations even after getting vaccinated.

This last example is worth lingering on. Covid vaccines, remarkably effective and created in record time, are as close as one gets in public affairs to a magic bullet, a once-in-a-generation technological solution to a grueling medical, economic, and political crisis. Yet we somehow wound up with public health influencers voicing more doubts about what vaccines would achieve than they ever did about masking and lockdowns. This is odd, to say the least. It is very much as if the Covid theater we got ultimately forgot that actually ending Covid was its aim.

What a Show

Here are a few ways to think about what went wrong with Covid security theater.

It has prioritized the visible over the invisible. It prefers measures we can see — surface cleaning, masking, distancing, lockdowns — where we can easily tell when they are being complied with or not. Our Covid theater is less interested in measures we can’t see, even ones that might be highly effective: HEPA filtration in central air systems, emphasizing N95s as highly preferable to cloth masks.

It has spoken in individual, not group, terms. We have heard: “Vaccination will protect you,” “Vaccination will protect those you care about,” and “You’re a selfish wingnut if you don’t get vaccinated.” The grounds on which individuals can, understandably enough, object to these messages are ample: What if I’m at low risk and all my high-risk loved ones are vaccinated? What if I just want to stick it to people who seem mostly interested in shaming me and telling me how to live?

What we too often didn’t hear when public health messengers explained why individuals should choose to get vaccinated was: “Vaccination is the way to bring the Covid era and all that goes with it to an end. Vaccination is what we must do to end the entire situation, and that means most of us need to do it.”

And yet it has been terrified of individual judgment. Despite stating risks and benefits in individualistic terms, our security theater has tended to offer rules that must be followed instead of rules of thumb to help people reduce risk to the group. Some of these rules have been useful, some probably not, some possibly even counterproductive.

Consider a simple rule of thumb that public health messaging could have offered that might have done a great deal to reduce risk to individuals and the group: Dodge the smoke. Because Covid floats in the air, imagine in which situations you would expect to get a high dose of secondhand smoke if people around you were smoking, and take actions to keep your dosage low.

Instead, we have gotten the six-foot rule, which takes no account whatsoever of crowd density, outdoor vs. indoor setting, wind and ventilation, or masking. It is probably pointless outside, and perhaps worse than pointless inside when it rationalizes people feeling safe sitting six feet apart for hours on end. But of course, rules of thumb depend on judgment rather than compliance, and offer no straightforward way to determine whether other people are following them.

It has justified itself with dubiously scientific rationalizations. Examples here are endless, but consider the shifting messaging on masks. There was always a compelling rationale for masking on the grounds of prudence, which went something like: “It probably helps at least a little, in some conditions it may help quite a lot, it’s far less of a burden than the other options on the table, so it’s worth making it part of our arsenal. But also, let’s fast-track research that will help us better understand how well it works, and emphasize that cloth-masking is a stopgap on the path to mass use of N95s, which we do know work very well.”

Instead, we got an interminable culture war over masking in general, over whether science already showed that it was magically effective or a complete hoax. The absolutism of masking advice was bad theater, fueling more opposition than it needed to.

t has created lock-in. Leaders could well have offered sensible shifts in prudential guidance as the pandemic progressed, based in part on changing conditions on the ground, in part on the public’s level of exhaustion, in part on evolving research. Instead, at each stage they had to create a narrative about “new science emerging.” Hence the absurd displays of the CDC being reliably months behind more sober-minded observers in shifting its advice on an array of issues — from adopting masking, to dropping the need for surface cleaning, to dropping the need for outdoor masking, to acknowledging that Covid transmits through air.

It has been all shaming and no bargaining, all stick and no carrot.

Must the Show Go On?

Perhaps this was all an inevitable consequence of the multi-layered disaster of January through April 2020. As the threat loomed larger, our leadership dithered and deflected for weeks and months, failing to ever find the focus to implement the truly targeted measures that would suppress the outbreak and prevent the demand for lockdowns.

Instead, we were left with half-measures, many of them grueling. A regime of high-filtration N95 masks, truly mass surveillance testing, and centralized filtration in building air-systems could have tolerated a high degree of individual noncompliance and still worked quite well. Cloth masking, distancing, and indoor capacity limits, being less effective, needed greater compliance to work.

Perversely, the weaker the measures under debate, and the lower the participation, the greater the apparent need for theater to enforce them. Not just sensible behavior in aggregate but Vigilance with a capital V became a social mandate. Once it seemed that the situation was out of control, that no one was in charge and by some accounts half of the country was so malevolent it could not be bothered, the one thing each of us could control was to show that we were not a member of the bad half. The mechanism that in a different time served as a force of civil cohesion — like victory gardens in World War II — instead became yet another force of civil derangement.

Listen to Anthony Fauci warn of all the ways vaccines won’t work and all the restrictions they won’t remove, to “I believe science” influencers solemnly intone that even after their shots they’ll be too scared to resume normal life — hear, in short, a public plea for vaccine fence-sitters to stay put. It is as if the Vigilant simply became entranced by the theater itself, forgot that the point was to end the show as soon as possible and made the goal to never let the curtain down.

One thinks of the arc of Lieutenant Colonel Nicholson, Alec Guinness’s character in The Bridge on the River Kwai. The commander of a British squadron imprisoned in Burma by the Japanese, Nicholson is tasked by his captors to build a bridge crucial to their supply line. Initially resistant, under brutal pressure to abandon the military order he holds most dear, Nicholson finally decides not only to reluctantly comply but to take eager charge of the construction. His aim is to maintain discipline, to remind the British that even in prison they are still soldiers. Understandably intent on keeping control of the one thing he can control — morale — Nicholson winds up collaborating with the enemy.
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Postby stickdog99 » Wed Jun 30, 2021 7:03 pm

WARNING: WHO announces that your child’s attendance at school counts as ‘informed consent’ for vaccination

https://www.who.int/immunization/progra ... ote_en.pdf

WHO: Considerations regarding consent in vaccinating children and adolescents between 6 and 17 years old

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3. An implied consent process by which parents are informed of imminent vaccination through social mobilization and communication, sometimes including letters directly addressed to the parents. Subsequently, the physical presence of the child or adolescent, with or without an accompanying parent at the vaccination session, is considered to imply consent. This practice is based on the opt-out principle and parents who do not consent to vaccination are expected implicitly to take steps to ensure that their child or adolescent does not participate in the vaccination session. This may include not letting the child or adolescent attend school on a vaccination day, if vaccine delivery occurs through schools.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Karmamatterz » Thu Jul 01, 2021 12:41 pm

I don't think we English-speaking hominids have solid enough data yet to be hurling pejoratives and epithets at each other about this mess.


Have to disagree here Rex.

There has been more than enough evidence that this has been a massive fraud.

This isn't necessarily directed at Rex, but anyone who still believes the propaganda they read and listen to regularly.

I believed none of it from day 1. If you separate the MASSIVE messaging with the various narratives it is blatantly obvious the entire thing has been forced onto us. They've tied it into the "Great Reset, Build Back Better and Climate Change." How does anyone who studies these thing not notice it?

Simply listen to what Kill Gates and Satan Klaus Schwab are saying. Herr Schwab has also been predicting a global electric and Internet grid takedown. Did we learn nothing from 911 and exercises? How about the pandemic planning "exercise" at Johns Hopkins in October, 2019?

Listen to the big pharma and how they insinuated themselves into the marketing of narratives.
The lockdowns and closures were NOT about our health. In Ohio the pious governor gave bars extra allowance to make sure booze was available, all the while saying not a word about sunshine, fresh air, exercise and a proper diet.
The demonizing of treatments and all actors in the scam constantly telling us there were no treatments and the only way back to normal was through a......fucking vaccine?
Then the twerp rolled out his vax lottery. Seriously? The virus is so dangerous that the state governments have to give out $1 million lotto prizes to convince people? My God, how could a rational mind accept such utter nonsense?
The incredibly pervasive effort at censoring on social media was another massive flag.

I could write dozens of more points, it's not necessary.

From day 1 this was a fraud with that jackass at the Imperial College in England predicting millions of deaths. Anybody recall how his previous dire predictions came true for other "pandemics?"

We are beyond the point of nice, quaint conversations with this. This is an outright fight for our freedom as human beings. This is a fight for my children and grandchildren. Are we going to let the biosecurity state rule us for perpetuity, or stand up to them and lock them up for crimes against humanity?

If you think I'm being a bit extreme, you're not getting out enough and are clueless about what these lockdowns have done to all of us.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Wombaticus Rex » Thu Jul 01, 2021 12:47 pm

I think you lost that fight in the 90's along with everyone else.

I also think that fight, viewed strategically and realistically, doesn't involve getting angry at anyone here. You can still have nice, quaint conversations here because those conversations have absolutely no effect on any of the issues you're (rightly) upset about.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby JackRiddler » Thu Jul 01, 2021 2:41 pm

Wombaticus Rex » Thu Jul 01, 2021 11:47 am wrote:I also think that fight, viewed strategically and realistically, doesn't involve getting angry at anyone here. You can still have nice, quaint conversations here because those conversations have absolutely no effect on any of the issues you're (rightly) upset about.


As a frequent sinner in the past, let me say AMEN to that! (Conversations here, anyway.)
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Karmamatterz » Thu Jul 01, 2021 3:19 pm

I think you lost that fight in the 90's along with everyone else.


Shit, Jack shows up and now we're all going to confession! LMAO.

I've been a frequent sinner here and other places. Can we limit confessional closet visits though, please?

We may have lost the bigger fight, but locally I'm involved with groups that meet privately and did the entire time during the fascist lockdown.
I'm not talking militia type actions, but planning small group actions that are public and non-violent. As well as general sharing a ton of info. I can tell from a few frequent posters here that some folks are very heavily active in research and getting information analyzed and processed.

My sinful self still wants to shout and say brainwashed be damned. I fell for that shit back on 9-11 and sat traumatized watching that shit over and over when my kids were just littles. As grown ups now, myself and my friends have gone to great lengths to share information with them and have private but open discussions on the madness that surrounds us. At the very least my son finally read the copy of 1984 I bought for him after I got "woke" about 9-11. We now have regular "disinformation" or doublespeak convos about the crap we hear and read in the MSM.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Belligerent Savant » Thu Jul 01, 2021 5:23 pm

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Re: the last few posts above: I agree with the spirit of the sentiments, and in most instances, I aim to avoid turning online commentary into personal squabbles, as it's a wasteful exercise; it does nothing to alter whatever may be going on out there, as WRex indicates.

However, shit gets heated at times when there are those that either refuse to act in good faith or simply don't care to do so, due to cognitive dissonance, trolling, or any variation of a broad spectrum of underlying drivers inspiring anyone here to respond counter to the earnest pursuit of a semblance of truth to a given issue.*

Perhaps I'm too much of an idealist.

*Edit to add: I'm not immune to this; prior to 2020 I've participated in occasional acts of trollery, or tongue-in-cheek disaffected and/or bemused offhand commentary. Or just weak takes. No doubt there are many examples of unflattering commentary that can be unearthed originating from my handle; another flawed human opining on the internet, adding to the perpetual index.
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Belligerent Savant » Thu Jul 01, 2021 4:12 pm wrote:.

[side-note: Robert Malone's LinkedIn account has been suspended, for posting content along the lines quoted above -- which is no longer available]






Similar to KMatterz i've been particularly active locally, though with school districts, as i have elementary school aged children and am refusing to have them wear masks in school this Fall (my district is particularly hard-headed about this).
It's easy to get cynical when observing how little time many parents dedicate to due diligence research into this topic, allowing network news headlines to drive their sentiment.
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Most recent CDC report on U.S. deaths in 2020

Postby JackRiddler » Thu Jul 01, 2021 7:54 pm

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Last updated 31 March 2021
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/70/wr/mm7014e1.htm

Key stats listed:

Total U.S. deaths in 2020: 3,358,814 (828.7/100,000)

Using the 2017-2019 average of 2.85 million annually (within a stable range of no more than 50,000 difference) as a baseline, this indicates an excess mortality of 500,000 in 2020.

Deaths attributed to Covid: 377,883 (91.5/100,000)

Above two stats from the main table. This is the total CDC estimate for Covid as underlying or contributing cause (a.k.a. 'Covid-associated'). A graphic on the same page lists it as 345,000, and the text explains this is their estimate for Covid as underlying cause only.

Either way, that does not account for all of the excess deaths. This would mean that about 125,000 to 150,000 more people died than the baseline would suggest of causes other than Covid. Is this the effect of the lockdown-related policies? I would certainly think so to start, however to get confirmation one would have to break the data down both by causes and by states (i.e., given the different policies pursued) compared to the prior year or a longer baseline. I did a quick search for cancer (the rate of death from which has declined 27% since 1999) and found that it rose by a bit more than 1%, from about 599,600 in 2019 to 606,500 in 2020. Easy to hypothesize that missed and delayed screenings due to lockdown measures figured in that.

In any case, about 1/4 of the additional deaths in 2020 compared to 2019 were not due to Covid as underlying or associated cause.

This report presents an overview of provisional U.S. mortality data for 2020, including the first ranking of leading causes of death. In 2020, approximately 3,358,814 deaths† occurred in the United States. From 2019 to 2020, the estimated age-adjusted death rate increased by 15.9%, from 715.2 to 828.7 deaths per 100,000 population. COVID-19 was reported as the underlying cause of death or a contributing cause of death for an estimated 377,883 (11.3%) of those deaths (91.5 deaths per 100,000). The highest age-adjusted death rates by age, race/ethnicity, and sex occurred among adults aged ≥85 years, non-Hispanic Black or African American (Black) and non-Hispanic American Indian or Alaska Native (AI/AN) persons, and males. COVID-19 death rates were highest among adults aged ≥85 years, AI/AN and Hispanic persons, and males. COVID-19 was the third leading cause of death in 2020, after heart disease and cancer. Provisional death estimates provide an early indication of shifts in mortality trends and can guide public health policies and interventions aimed at reducing numbers of deaths that are directly or indirectly associated with the COVID-19 pandemic.

CDC analyzed provisional NVSS death certificate data for deaths occurring among U.S. residents in the United States during January–December 2020. The numbers and rates of overall deaths and COVID-19 deaths were assessed by age, sex, and race/ethnicity (categorized as Hispanic, non-Hispanic White [White], Black, non-Hispanic Asian, non-Hispanic AI/AN, non-Hispanic Native Hawaiian or other Pacific Islander [NH/PI], non-Hispanic multiracial, and unknown). Causes of death were coded according to the International Classification of Diseases, Tenth Revision (ICD-10), which describes disease classification and the designation of underlying cause of death (1,2). Numbers and rates of COVID-19 deaths include deaths for which COVID-19 was listed on the death certificate as a confirmed or presumed underlying cause of death or contributing cause of death (ICD-10 code U07.1). COVID-19 was the underlying cause of approximately 91% (345,323) of COVID-19–associated deaths during 2020 (3). Leading underlying causes of death were calculated and ranked (4). Deaths that occurred in the United States among residents of U.S. territories and foreign countries were excluded.§ Age was unknown for 86 (<0.01%) decedents, and race/ethnicity was unknown for 9,135 (0.27%). There were no records with unknown sex. To describe the trend in deaths during 2020, the number of deaths from all causes and from COVID-19 were calculated for each week. Midyear U.S. Census Bureau population estimates (July 1, 2020) were used to calculate estimated death rates per 100,000 standard population (5). Age-adjusted death rates were calculated for deaths by sex and race/ethnicity, and crude death rates were calculated by age. Age-adjusted death rates for 2020 were also compared with those from 2019 (6).

In 2020, approximately 3,358,814 deaths occurred in the United States (Table). The age-adjusted rate was 828.7 deaths per 100,000 population, an increase of 15.9% from 715.2 in 2019. The highest overall numbers of deaths occurred during the weeks ending April 11, 2020, (78,917) and December 26, 2020 (80,656) (Figure 1). Death rates were lowest among persons aged 5–14 years (13.6) and highest among persons aged ≥85 years (15,007.4); age-adjusted death rates were higher among males (990.5) than among females (689.2).

During 2020, COVID-19 was listed as the underlying or contributing cause of 377,883 deaths (91.5 per 100,000 population). COVID-19 death rates were lowest among children aged 1–4 years (0.2) and 5–14 years (0.2) and highest among those aged ≥85 years (1,797.8). Similar to the rate of overall deaths, the age-adjusted COVID-19–associated death rate among males (115.0) was higher than that among females (72.5).

Age-adjusted death rates differed by race/ethnicity. Overall age-adjusted death rates were lowest among Asian (457.9 per 100,000 population) and Hispanic persons (724.1) and highest among Black (1,105.3) and AI/AN persons (1,024.0). COVID-19–associated death rates were lowest among multiracial (31.8) and Asian persons (66.7) and highest among AI/AN (187.8) and Hispanic persons (164.3). COVID-19 was listed as the underlying cause of 345,323 deaths during 2020 and was the third leading underlying cause of death, after heart disease (690,882 deaths) and cancer (598,932) (Figure 2).


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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Belligerent Savant » Thu Jul 01, 2021 11:03 pm

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https://www.pnas.org/content/118/16/e2024850118

Excess mortality in the United States in the 21st century

Abstract

We use three indexes to identify how age-specific mortality rates in the United States compare to those in a composite of five large European countries since 2000. First, we examine the ratio of age-specific death rates in the United States to those in Europe. These show a sharp deterioration in the US position since 2000. Applying European age-specific death rates in 2017 to the US population, we then show that adverse mortality conditions in the United States resulted in 400,700 excess deaths that year. Finally, we show that these excess deaths entailed a loss of 13.0 My of life. In 2017, excess deaths and years of life lost in the United States represent a larger annual loss of life than that associated with the COVID-19 epidemic in 2020.

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Discussion

Because it has captured a great deal of national attention, the number of deaths from the COVID-19 epidemic in 2020 forms a timely basis of comparison. On 20 February 2021, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention reported that 376,504 deaths ascribed to COVID-19 had occurred in the United States in calendar year 2020 (10). That figure is similar to but below the estimated total number of excess deaths of 401,000 in the United States in 2017 (Table 1).

The comparison is more striking when years of life lost is the measure used.
Goldstein and Lee (11) estimate that the mean loss of life years for a person dying from COVID-19 in the United States is 11.7 y. Multiplying 377,000 decedents by 11.7 y lost per decedent gives a total of 4.41 My of life lost to COVID-19 in 2020, only a third of the 13.02 million life years lost to excess mortality in the United States in 2017 (Table 1). The reason that the comparison is so much sharper for YLL than for excess deaths is that COVID-19 deaths in 2020 occurred at much older ages, on average, than the excess deaths of 2017.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby drstrangelove » Fri Jul 02, 2021 1:34 am

Society always wins out over institutions in the end. This great reset thing is just a last ditch attempt by the vested interests of monopoly capitalism to save themselves. But it can only buy them time, maybe another 200 years. They think "from chaos, order", but really it's "from order, chaos". Always has been. Eventually they'll all start to go completely insane like they did in Carthage the last time a commercial oligarchy hoarded too much surplus and started feeding their children into the stoves of moloch.

The interesting thing about data collection is that it only creates more data from the meta analyses done to it. They keep collecting and collecting yet they become more and more confused. Think it's called maxwell's demon, Pynchon addressed in the crying of lot 49. Anyway, the human spirit will prevail, though will probably get stomped to shit during our lifetimes.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby JackRiddler » Fri Jul 02, 2021 8:56 am

drstrangelove » Fri Jul 02, 2021 12:34 am wrote:Society always wins out over institutions in the end. This great reset thing is just a last ditch attempt by the vested interests of monopoly capitalism to save themselves. But it can only buy them time, maybe another 200 years.


You had me inspired, until you got to the 200 part.

Eventually they'll all start to go completely insane like they did in Carthage the last time a commercial oligarchy hoarded too much surplus and started feeding their children into the stoves of moloch.


I should research this, and will eventually, but it sure sounds like Roman propaganda.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby stickdog99 » Fri Jul 02, 2021 4:00 pm

Well, that's a looooooong letter.

But it's very hard for me personally to dispute anything written in that loooooooong letter.

I sincerely wish that I could take material issue with more of the contents of the letter and present facts and data that contradict or at least cast severe doubt on its contents. But at the moment. I cannot do so personally.

I wish someone else would take up the cause of rebutting this letter using reason and scientific data so that I too could learn to stop worrying and love masks, lockdowns, and experimental vaccines.

Believe it or not, I mean all of this very sincerely. Can anybody here help me with this?
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby stickdog99 » Fri Jul 02, 2021 4:16 pm

https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamape ... le/2781743

From the RCT article, published in JAMA Pediatrics:

Many governments have made nose and mouth covering or face masks compulsory for schoolchildren. The evidence base for this is weak.1,2 The question whether nose and mouth covering increases carbon dioxide in inhaled air is crucial. A large-scale survey3 in Germany of adverse effects in parents and children using data of 25 930 children has shown that 68% of the participating children had problems when wearing nose and mouth coverings.

The normal content of carbon dioxide in the open is about 0.04% by volume (ie, 400 ppm). A level of 0.2% by volume or 2000 ppm is the limit for closed rooms according to the German Federal Environmental Office, and everything beyond this level is unacceptable.4 ...

We measured means (SDs) between 13 120 (384) and 13 910 (374) ppm of carbon dioxide in inhaled air under surgical and filtering facepiece 2 (FFP2) masks, which is higher than what is already deemed unacceptable by the German Federal Environmental Office by a factor of 6. This was a value reached after 3 minutes of measurement. Children under normal conditions in schools wear such masks for a mean of 270 (interquartile range, 120-390) minutes.3 ...

The limitations of the study were its short-term nature in a laboratory-like setting and the fact that children were not occupied during measurements and might have been apprehensive. Most of the complaints reported by children3 can be understood as consequences of elevated carbon dioxide levels in inhaled air. This is because of the dead-space volume of the masks, which collects exhaled carbon dioxide quickly after a short time. This carbon dioxide mixes with fresh air and elevates the carbon dioxide content of inhaled air under the mask, and this was more pronounced in this study for younger children.

This leads in turn to impairments attributable to hypercapnia. A recent review6 concluded that there was ample evidence for adverse effects of wearing such masks. We suggest that decision-makers weigh the hard evidence produced by these experimental measurements accordingly, which suggest that children should not be forced to wear face masks.
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