Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

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Postby Grizzly » Fri Aug 13, 2021 12:04 am

we've reached the stage of the pandemic where you now need 1 year of pandemic experience to apply for pandemic created jobs.

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The Resistance to the Clot Shots Way More Than You Think: Catherine Austin Fitts
https://coronanews123.wordpress.com/2021/08/11/the-resistance-to-the-clot-shots-way-more-than-you-think-catherine-austin-fitts/
Greatest Violations of Nuremberg Code in History – Catherine Austin Fitts
Investment advisor and former Assistant Secretary of Housing Catherine Austin Fitts contends CV19 and the vaccines to cure it are more about control than depopulation. Fitts explains, “I think the bankers are trying to chip us. Moderna describes their injection, gene therapy as an ‘operating system.’ I agree with them. I think they are trying to download an operating system into our bodies. I don’t think it was an accident . . . the man President Trump appointed as head of ‘Operation Warp Speed’ was an expert at Brain-Machine interface. . . . Just like Bill Gates downloaded an operating system into your computer and made you update it regularly because of the threat of another virus, I think they are trying to play the same game with human bodies. It’s hard for people to fathom if they have not been following the advancements in biotech and to fathom how much money the bankers can make if they can achieve this. We just saw the Chairman of the Federal Reserve talking about the economy was getting better because the vaccination rate was going up. I think that’s code for the bank stocks are going up because we are downloading operating systems in more and more people, and our stock reflects that. We get a pop on our stock for every person we can remotely control with our operating system. . . . If you look at the deaths and adverse events, and the failure to provide true informed consent, we are talking about the greatest violations of the Nuremberg Code in history—now.”

Fitts says don’t believe the hype on the number of CV19 vaccines being given. Fitts explains, “One of the things I have seen and gotten feedback on is that the resistance is much greater than anything they are indicating in any kind of official statistics. There are also indications that the deaths and adverse events (from the vaccines) are much worse, and that has to be spreading virally. If you look at the people most resistant, including healthcare workers and nursing staff, they are seeing the adverse events, and they are seeing the deaths. So, I don’t trust the statistics. . . . The top doctors I trust essentially say this is an experiment, and it’s true. These vaccines are not approved by the FDA. These are authorized under experimental use. So, this is a trial, a human trial. The doctors I trust say we won’t know for 4, 6, 12 or 18 months what the real impact is. These are not vaccines. It is gene therapy and downloading an operating system. I would argue that they are not vaccinations, but whatever they are, if it follows the history of vaccinations, what you are going to see is a tremendous diminution of people’s immune systems and a whole world of autoimmune diseases that can be explained away by other things. I would guess that the leadership’s goal is not necessarily to depopulate, and I could be wrong, but their goal is to install an operating system. To get that done, they don’t care how many people they kill.”

In closing, Fitts says, “Naomi Wolf was giving an interview about the vaccine passports, and she said this is the end of human liberty in the west, and that’s right. If those things are allowed, along with the operating system, it is the end of liberty. We are talking about a slavery system. . . . The greatest navigation tool ever created is prayer.”
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Grizzly » Fri Aug 13, 2021 8:28 am

https://www.bitchute.com/video/c8HpB0rQKHaX/
Nice of the Communist Chinese to unlock the Genetic code.. ? That these clowns bragged about using In 3 Hours, stating they had the Vax sorted.
With the backing of Bill Gates !

Pharma Downloaded Spike Protein Recipe From Chinese Government?! The Virus Has Never Been Isolated!
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby drstrangelove » Sat Aug 14, 2021 9:58 am

Fuck I love the French. I know you Americans love your guns, and it's true that they work in the sense that the State can't infringe upon your rights in the same way they can in other countries, which is why they've circumvented this using the private power of corporations, but the French make do without guns. They have high morale, which is all you need against shock weapons. And French morale us irrationally high. In world World 1 they were still charging machine nests long after everyone had caught onto the defensive meta. Kubrick's 'paths of glory' was about this.

But you can still see it in their protests if you watch the ruptly coverage. State sponsored Russian media is generally speaking, quite a good resource to get the bits of info western media omits (I'm sure it's vice versa for Russians), especially their live streams with zero editorialisation.
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Postby Belligerent Savant » Sat Aug 14, 2021 12:53 pm

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Obligatory disclaimer: I'm not familiar with this site. Happened across it during my typical online perusals across the web. I share it here due to the content of the article; by default/as a broad principle, I ask that readers focus any critiques on the merits of the content.

As with all sources, caveat lector applies. Compare and contrast.

India's Ivermectin Blackout


By Justus R. Hope, MD Aug 9, 2021

News of India's defeat of the Delta variant should be common knowledge. It is just about as obvious as the nose on one's face. It is so clear when one looks at the graphs that no one can deny it.

Yet, for some reason, we are not allowed to talk about it. Thus, for example, Wikipedia cannot mention the peer-reviewed meta-analyses by Dr. Tess Lawrie or Dr. Pierre Kory published in the American Journal of Therapeutics.

https://www.thedesertreview.com/opinion ... 2ff67.html

Wikipedia is not allowed to publish the recent meta-analysis on Ivermectin authored by Dr. Andrew Hill. Furthermore, it is not allowed to say anything concerning http://www.ivmmeta.com showing the 61 studies comprising 23,000 patients which reveal up to a 96% reduction in death [prophylaxis] with Ivermectin.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk%3AIvermectin

One can see the bias in Wikipedia by going on the "talk" pages for each subject and reading about the fierce attempts of editors to add these facts and the stone wall refusals by the "senior" editors who have an agenda. And that agenda is not loyalty to your health.

The easy way to read the “talk” page on any Wikipedia subject is to click the top left “talk” button. Anyone can then review the editors’ discussions.

There is a blackout on any conversation about how Ivermectin beat COVID-19 in India. When I discussed the dire straits that India found itself in early this year with 414,000 cases per day, and over 4,000 deaths per day, and how that evaporated within five weeks of the addition of Ivermectin, I am often asked, "But why is there no mention of that in the news?"

Yes, exactly. Ask yourself why India’s success against the Delta variant with Ivermectin is such a closely guarded secret by the NIH and CDC. Second, ask yourself why no major media outlets reported this fact, but instead, tried to confuse you with false information by saying the deaths in India are 10 times greater than official reports.

https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandso ... fficial-co

Perhaps NPR is trying so hard because NPR is essentially a government mouthpiece. The US government is “all-in” with vaccines with the enthusiasm of a 17th century Catholic Church “all-in” with a Geocentric Model of the Universe disputing Galileo. Claiming that India’s numbers are inaccurate might distract from the overwhelming success of Ivermectin.

But in the end, the truth matters. It mattered in 1616, and it matters in 2021.

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The graphs and data from the Johns Hopkins University CSSE database do not lie. On the contrary, they provide a compelling trail of truth that no one can dispute, not even the NIH, CDC, FDA, and WHO.

Just as Galileo proved with his telescope that the earth was NOT the center of the Universe in 1616; today, the data from India shows that Ivermectin is effective, much more so than the vaccines. It not only prevents death, but it also prevents COVID infections, and it also is effective against the Delta Variant.

In 1616, you could not make up the telescopic images of Jupiter and its orbiting moons, nor could you falsify the crescent-shaped images of Venus and Mercury. These proved that the earth was NOT the center of the Universe – a truth the Catholic Church could not allow.

Likewise, the massive drop in cases and deaths in India to almost nothing after the addition of Ivermectin proved the drug's effectiveness. This is a truth that the NIH, CDC, and FDA cannot allow because it would endanger the vaccine policy.

Never mind that Ivermectin would save more lives with much less risk, much less cost, and it would end the pandemic quickly.

Let us look at the burgundy-colored graph of Uttar Pradesh. First, allow me to thank Juan Chamie, a highly-respected Cambridge-based data analyst, who created this graph from the JHU CSSE data. Uttar Pradesh is a state in India that contains 241 million people. The United States’ population is 331 million people. Therefore, Uttar Pradesh can be compared to the United States, with 2/3 of our population size.

This data shows how Ivermectin knocked their COVID-19 cases and deaths - which we know were Delta Variant - down to almost zero within weeks. A population comparable to the US went from about 35,000 cases and 350 deaths per day to nearly ZERO within weeks of adding Ivermectin to their protocol.

By comparison, the United States is the lower graph. On August 5, here in the good ol’ USA, blessed with the glorious vaccines, we have 127,108 new cases per day and 574 new deaths.

Let us look at the August 5 numbers from Uttar Pradesh with 2/3 of our population. Uttar Pradesh, using Ivermectin, had a total of 26 new cases and exactly THREE deaths. The US without Ivermectin has precisely 4889 times as many daily cases and 191 times as many deaths as Uttar Pradesh with Ivermectin.

It is not even close. Countries do orders of magnitude better WITH Ivermectin. It might be comparable to the difference in travel between using an automobile versus a horse and buggy.

Uttar Pradesh on Ivermectin: Population 240 Million [4.9% fully vaccinated]

COVID Daily Cases: 26

COVID Daily Deaths: 3

The United States off Ivermectin: Population 331 Million [50.5% fully vaccinated]

COVID Daily Cases: 127,108

COVID Daily Deaths: 574

Let us look at other Ivermectin using areas of India with numbers from August 5, 2021, compiled by the JHU CSSE:

Delhi on Ivermectin: Population 31 Million [15% fully vaccinated]

COVID Daily Cases: 61

COVID Daily Deaths: 2

Uttarakhand on Ivermectin: Population 11.4 Million [15% fully vaccinated]

COVID Daily Cases: 24

COVID Daily Deaths: 0

Now let us look at an area of India that rejected Ivermectin.

https://www.thehindu.com/news/national/ ... 561235.ece

Tamil Nadu announced they would reject Ivermectin and instead follow the dubious USA-style guidance of using Remdesivir. Knowing this, you might expect their numbers to be closer to the US, with more cases and more deaths. You would be correct. Tamil Nadu went on to lead India in COVID-19 cases.

https://www.thedesertreview.com/opinion ... 21f9a.html

Tamil Nadu continues to suffer for its choice to reject Ivermectin. As a result, the Delta variant continues to ravage their citizens while it was virtually wiped out in the Ivermectin-using states. Likewise, in the United States, without Ivermectin, both the vaccinated and unvaccinated continue to spread the Delta variant like wildfire.

https://www.cnn.com/2021/08/05/health/u ... index.html

Tamil Nadu off Ivermectin: Population 78.8 Million [6.9% fully vaccinated]

COVID Daily Cases: 1,997

COVID Daily Deaths: 33

Like the JHU CSSE data, Galileo's telescope did not lie either, and the truth can usually be found in plain sight. Ivermectin works, and it works exceedingly well. Harvard-trained virologist Dr. George Fareed and his associate, Dr. Brian Tyson of California's Imperial Valley, have saved 99.9% of their patients with a COVID Cocktail that includes Ivermectin. They have released versions of their new book published in the Desert Review that everyone should read.

https://www.thedesertreview.com/opinion ... 94c25.html

I could talk about how every one of my patients who used Ivermectin recovered rapidly, about my most recent case who felt 90% better within 48 hours of adding the drug, but I won't. I could write about how Wikipedia censors more than Pravda, about how you should always read the "talk" section of EVERY Wikipedia article to go behind the scenes and understand what the editors DO NOT want you to read, but I will refrain.

I could write about VAERS and how it is so much easier to navigate by following Open VAERS or how Wikipedia has unfairly portrayed Dr. Peter McCullough, one of the world's sharpest and most credible doctors. But I will hold back.

https://www.openvaers.com/

I could also discuss our current cancer treatment system's dangers and how chemotherapy and radiation stimulate cancer stem cells and cancer recurrence. About how this information has been suppressed and how the addition of repurposed drug cocktails can help prevent this, but I digress.

https://www.amazon.com/Surviving-Cancer ... 0998055425

I could recite the history of early outpatient treatment of COVID-19 with repurposed drugs, including Ivermectin, with all the specifics, and EXACTLY WHY this lifesaving information has been censored, but instead, I will leave researching these topics to each of you readers as individuals.

https://www.amazon.com/Ivermectin-World ... 1737415909

Because you already know what will happen if you simply sit back and swallow what the media are feeding you. You MUST question what the government tells you, and always DO YOUR OWN research.

Following the 1616 Inquisition of Galileo, the Pope banned all books and letters that argued the sun was the center of the Universe instead of the Earth. Similarly, today, the FDA and WHO have banned any use of Ivermectin for COVID outside of a clinical trial.

https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer- ... t-covid-19

https://www.who.int/news-room/feature-s ... cal-trials

YouTube and Wikipedia both consider Ivermectin for COVID as heresy.

“YouTube doesn’t allow content that spreads medical misinformation that contradicts local health authorities or the World Health Organization’s (WHO) medical information about COVID-19… Treatment misinformation: claims that Ivermectin is an effective treatment for COVID-19.”


Wikipedia defines heresy as: “any belief or theory that is strongly at variance with established beliefs or customs, in particular the accepted beliefs of a church or religious organization. The term is usually used in reference to violations of important religious teachings, but is also used of views strongly opposed to any generally accepted ideas. A heretic is a proponent of heresy.”

Heresy is disagreeing with the government, or their health authority, even if they are all wrong and even if their policies harm people. Today we no longer call it heresy; it is labeled as misinformation.

Galileo was found guilty of heresy and sentenced on June 22, 1633, to formal imprisonment, although this was commuted to house arrest, under which he remained for the rest of his life.

On August 7, 2021 Medpage Today published a new quiz, “Can COVID Misinformation Cost You Your Medical License?”

https://www.medpagetoday.com/quizzes/news-quiz/93943




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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Belligerent Savant » Sat Aug 14, 2021 1:18 pm

drstrangelove » Sat Aug 14, 2021 8:58 am wrote:.
Fuck I love the French.

...the French make do without guns. They have high morale, which is all you need against shock weapons. And French morale us irrationally high. In world World 1 they were still charging machine nests long after everyone had caught onto the defensive meta. Kubrick's 'paths of glory' was about this.



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París, France. Great to see the whole country fighting back. So many cities in France reveling. The media won't mention anything, but remember, we are not alone. We are taking back what is ours, our freedom. Governments are losing their momentum and losing the battle. They will try to scare people with new "variants" "climate change" etc., but they know people are waking up and less people believe their lies. FREEDOM IS NOT NEGOTIABLE. FIGHTING BACK IS THE NEW NORMAL.

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Postby JackRiddler » Sat Aug 14, 2021 4:27 pm

Fact Checks - Medical

Can Ivermectin Cure Coronavirus?
The canine heartworm-preventative joined a long list of drugs touted as possible cures for COVID-19.


Madison Dapcevich
Published 28 August 2020
Updated 9 September 2020
https://www.snopes.com/collections/coro ... reatments/

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A drug used to treat animal parasites like heartworm and roundworm is a potential cure for coronavirus.

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Unproven
What's Undetermined

The preliminary results of several studies may show potential for the effectiveness of ivermectin as an antiviral in the treatment and prevention of COVID-19. However, it is too early to draw overarching conclusions. Clinical trials and further research are still necessary to determine whether the drug is both safe and effective in human patients infected by SARS-CoV-2.

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And so it will remain, apparently, unless and until such time as a version of it can be re-patented and force-fed to EVERYONE under a state-enforced mandate that clears the manufacturers of any liability but guarantees them full price on all doses administered.

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Postby stickdog99 » Sat Aug 14, 2021 7:27 pm

Karmamatterz » 12 Aug 2021 12:19 wrote:I'm of the mindset that vaccine passports are a form of discrimination, medical discrimination.

This form of discrimination will get worse and the scope of vaccine passports will open up new avenues of tyranny.

For the group, does anyone disagree and why? I'm asking because I want to formulate a reasonable offline discussion with people so they understand how these "passports" are a form of discrimination and just as ugly as racism, sexism etc...


When you consider the fact that 62% of African-Americans in the USA are unvaccinated, vaccine passports are racism. But you won't hear a peep about this from anybody in the white fragility camp. The exact same politicians who pay the most lip service to "anti-racism" are intent on making the majority of African-Americans second class citizens unless and until they enroll in their Tuskegee-19 experiment.
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Postby stickdog99 » Sat Aug 14, 2021 7:56 pm

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So 73% of young black New Yorkers are now being turned into second class citizens. For their own good, of course.
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Postby stickdog99 » Sat Aug 14, 2021 8:09 pm

Elvis » 12 Aug 2021 23:48 wrote:
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So please, I am begging all of you, to use your Google Fu to find some hard data to convince me to stop worrying and learn to love masks, lockdowns, and especially experimental vaccines.

I want to believe. Seriously. But I need a bit more than "I could probably find something to convince you if I wanted to."
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Postby drstrangelove » Sat Aug 14, 2021 9:22 pm

stickdog99 » Sat Aug 14, 2021 7:56 pm wrote:Image

So 73% of young black New Yorkers are now being turned into second class citizens. For their own good, of course.

This is probably the most powerful argument against them at the moment. Metropolitan progressives fear identifying with anything even remotely or indirectly racist.

We just need David Duke to give his Lepers endorsement to health passports.

The argument leverages the same toxic identity politics to exclude any white health passport advocates from the conversation. Their internal controls will prevent them from engaging with it. So as long as the debate remains on that topic they can't debate.
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Postby Joe Hillshoist » Sun Aug 15, 2021 5:31 am

Accurate description of effects is not hair-splitting; it is much-needed exactness to avoid adding confusion to an extraordinarily complicated and tense scientific and societal debate around COVID-19 vaccines.

It does not mean that 95% of people are protected from disease with the vaccine—a general misconception of vaccine protection also found in a Lancet Infectious Diseases Editorial.

This appeared in correspondence in a March 8th publication through The Lancet, a leading peer reviewed medical journal. It emphasizes that even within the scientific communities focused on such issues, misunderstandings about the meaning and implications of reported numbers about vaccine efficacy persist. If the scientific community makes a mistake in its own interpretations, that can misinform policy makers, even very educated ones, and that in turn can misinform the public.

In the last few weeks I have seen evidence of articles more widely shared to correct some of the early misconceptions The Lancet correspondence was concerned about. However a more insidious form of misunderstanding and misinformation lingers, and is pervasive.
Twitter avatar for @DrTomFriedenDr. Tom Frieden @DrTomFrieden
It's actually pretty simple math. If you get Covid and you've been vaccinated, you're about 100 times less likely to die.

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Tom is no ordinary doctor. He is the former Director of the Center for Disease Control under President Barack Obama. He is also propagating dangerous misinformation about the COVID-19 vaccines. It will cause people to misunderstand the real world results which can cause more people to die, and exacerbate the pandemic.

Dr. Tom is wrong. About as wrong you can get. The real world data has shown that the death rate among the vaccinated, if infected with COVID, can be 3 to 5.7 times higher1 than the death rate of the unvaccinated.

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Acceptable Catastrophic Error

The former Director of the CDC is making what I call an Acceptable Catastrophic Error. This is the kind of error one is allowed to make when they are perceived to have the correct opinion. Arguments and statistics used towards the goal of getting every single person vaccinated for COVID are given far less scrutiny and are accepted as true more readily, than any arguments or statistics that might be perceived as counterproductive towards that goal.

When the former Director of the CDC, or anyone else for that matter, says someone who is infected with COVID is 100 times less likely to die if they have been vaccinated, it does not matter how far off that number is. It will be readily forgiven no matter how inaccurate. It is the goal of universal vaccination, not truth, that appears to be most important.

There are a lot of acceptable catastrophic errors.
Vaccine Efficacy

In order to understand why people are claiming these marvelous additional benefits exist, we will unfortunately have to do some math. But once we do, confusion will be alleviated, and the dangerous misinformation being spread by those in authority and those on a mission to convince everyone to get vaccinated, will become clear.

To understand vaccine efficacy, a diagram provided in the results of a Pfizer–BioNTech mRNA BNT162b2 clinical trial will be very useful.

The red line with circles shows that for those who received the vaccine, which was 21,669 people, the rate of infection slowed. The average number of days between individual infections increased. The result is that over a period of time, the total number of people who became infected was indeed far lower than the unvaccinated group.

This is where the earlier statement from from The Lancet “who would have become diseased with COVID-19 had they not been vaccinated” comes into play. It is reasonably assumed that the red line would resemble the blue line if the group were unvaccinated. Therefore one could count the number of squares on the blue line that occur in between instances of red circles, and get a ratio of how many unvaccinated people got infected per each vaccinated person over a period of time.

The efficacy rating (VE in the table) is a way of trying to do this. However one additional layer of complexity is added. Researchers treat the people in study without much distinction. Every day that a person is included in the study and observable is considered a person-day. Every person being observed on a given day is counted and added to a tally of person-days. At the end of the study, the observed infections are divided by the total person-days counted for the group.

For example, if two people are observed across four days, it is a total of eight person-days. Each person has a chance of infection each day, unless they were already infected. It makes a total of eight chances for a person to become infected. However, once infected, someone cannot be infected again, so that person stops being counted in the person-day tally. In this particular case they used a different length of time than day, but the idea is the same.

At the end of the day, the efficacy calculation is the result of counting things and dividing things counted. We can take the numbers they counted and divide them ourselves to arrive at the same efficacy numbers. Let’s use the data from ≥ 7 days after dose 2. We have 21,314 people across 4.015 time units for the vaccinated group, and 21,258 people across 3.982 time units for the unvaccinated. Now we compare the rates of infection, which were 9 and 172 observed infections respectively.

Finally, we take the two rates, and compare them, and compute a number that represents the percent score called efficacy.

There is the efficacy number from the table. Subtracting from 1 simply allows you to report a number where higher is better, instead of using “golf rules” where lower is better. The calculation itself is not misleading if you understand how it is derived. But it is important to hold on to the idea we are currently talking about infection rates over time only. It is perfectly reasonable to compare infection rates among two groups in this way.

This distinction is all the more important as, although we know the risk reduction achieved by these vaccines under trial conditions, we do not know whether and how it could vary if the vaccines were deployed on populations with different exposures, transmission levels, and attack rates.2

Real populations

Israel offered a glimpse into the real world dynamics of the Pfizer–BioNTech mRNA BNT162b2 vaccine. A major study, published May 2021 in The Lancet, reviewed national surveillance data, collected as part of a government vaccination initiative. The data collected was able to identify those vaccinated on which dates; when they were diagnosed with COVID; whether they were symptomatic or not; if and when they went to the hospital; if they had severe or critical hospitalization; and if they died.

The study is quite thorough, although it did contain errors some of which may not have been fully corrected. But we can jump directly to inspecting the efficacy numbers and correcting errors. We will be using the numbers provided in Table 4 on page 1825.

The top white box contains the number of infections observed during the study. We can use All Ages. The Unvaccinated and Vaccinated infections for All Ages were 109,876 and 3,642 respectively. Just as before, we need the person-days (the total time observed) for both. These are provided at the bottom of the table and for the Unvaccinated and Vaccinated they are 120,076,136 and 170,434,659 respectively.

Taking a look at our approximate ratios calculated, you can see that 91.5 in the red square in the table corresponds to our calculated unvaccinated rate, and similarly 2.1 in the blue box corresponds to our calculated vaccinated rate. We would simply need to multiply both by 100,000, as they are incidence rates per 100,000 person-days, to make them about equal to the table.

The next step is identical to the Pfizer phase three trial. “Vaccine effectiveness estimates were calculated as (1 – IRR) × 100” (Incidence Rate Ratios, IRR)

Our calculation appears to be 1.1% higher than that in the table. There are two possible explanations. One explanation may be that when they corrected some hard values they failed to update the efficacy calculation. The second explanation is that the authors ran the raw data, which we do not have, through a particular statistical package3 in order to estimate the bounds (numbers in parentheses, giving some wiggle room to the estimate), which gave them a more nuanced estimate for the central incidence rates than the numbers they provide the reader allow — as our calculated incidence rates are clearly in agreement with the table.

This isn’t too important, as these are simply estimates the authors are making based on observations. These estimates will change over time and with different populations. They are very useful to have, but should not be treated as if they’re exact.

They are also not where the major issues arise. One can simply look at the raw numbers without calculating the efficacy number and conclude that indeed, infection rates were substantially lower. The differences that remain in their calculation for efficacy percentage are negligible.

Next, however, we move to what will ultimately be the source of misinformation. It isn’t the fault of the report itself, but a consequence of too many people who pretend to speak from knowledge and authority interpreting numbers they do not understand.

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Vaccine Efficacy “against death”

Included in the study are rates of symptomatic COVID, hospitalization, severe hospitalization, and their respective efficacy calculations. At the bottom of the table are efficacy calculations related to death. We will use the table to make one final efficacy calculation so we can move to discussing this horrific source of misinformation.

We are given 36 deaths among those aged 16-44 in the unvaccinated group and 0 deaths in the vaccinated group. We have 88,938,310 and 61,397,072 person days for unvaccinated and vaccinated respectively from the bottom of the table. This gives us, indeed 100% efficacy!

100% Efficacy! That’s 100% protection against death! Those between the ages 16-44 cannot die from COVID! You can see how impossible it is for someone to die if vaccinated, as they do not even provide a range of uncertainty. 100% with no uncertainty is as certain as you can get.
The Fatal Flaw (pun intended)

It is obviously possible for vaccinated people 16-44 to die from COVID. The other results from this efficacy from death calculation are just as flawed, and are being dangerously misused. Let us revisit Dr. Tom, the former CDC director.
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It's actually pretty simple math. If you get Covid and you've been vaccinated, you're about 100 times less likely to die.

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Hyper-vigilant mass-vaccination advocates have been using the vaccine efficacy “from death” numbers in this Israeli study to claim that if you get COVID you have additional protection because of the vaccine. Some may quote the percentage (“it’s 96% effective at preventing death!”) so as to not be accused of inventing their own numbers. But if you have made it this far, you have performed the efficacy calculation three separate times now. Counting things and dividing things counted.

Nowhere, at any time, in any way, did we look at how many people in the vaccinated group got COVID and died. We (and the authors of the study) counted the number of deaths among the vaccinated, and divide by the number of days, not the number of infections.

And if we do actually look at and compare deaths among those actually infected we get a completely different story.
The efficacy numbers are misinformation

Every single additional efficacy number is redundant. All reported results downstream from infection are a consequence of reduced infections4. The efficacy rates would all be in the high 90s even if the vaccinated group were perfectly identical except for infection rate.

When “former Director of the CDC” Dr. Tom and others use the non-infection efficacy numbers to discuss the vaccines, they are, intentionally or not, misleading the public. It is something that should end immediately.

With the exception of infection rates, the efficacy numbers convey no useful information to citizens about their risks once they have been vaccinated. Instead, it may cause the vaccinated to place themselves and others at greater risk if they operate on this misinformation.

The efficacy numbers, other than infection, which are all downstream effects of infection, are being used and accepted as if they are additional, layered benefits at every stage of COVID infection.

This diagram is how they are being communicated and how they are being received by the clear majority of public figures and citizens. If you are vaccinated it is being communicated that the study showed that you are:

>90% less likely to get infected — true

>90% less likely to get symptoms if infected — false

>90% less likely to become hospitalized if you develop symptoms — false

>90% less likely to become severely hospitalized if you become hospitalized — false

>90% less likely to die you if become severely hospitalized — false

If the efficacy numbers were layered measures of additional protection then the observations would have been different in the Israeli study (All Ages)5.

With numbers this small, these differences may seem negligible. But when scaled up not just across populations but also across time, the impact of affecting people’s decision making when choosing what level of infection risk to assume, can dramatically alter the situation.

These are currently Acceptable Catastrophic Errors being made each and every day by nearly everyone. It is hard to fathom how much more wrong someone could be yet still maintain their credibility after this. But because these are acceptable catastrophic errors, if I am successful in clearing up confusion, those spreading the misinformation will simply move on to the next acceptable catastrophic error.
What the numbers really showed

When you actually take a look at who was infected and who died by age group, the idea of additional protection disappears for most.

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When you are finally counting things and dividing things counted which matter, such as how many infected people went on to die in each group, no remnant of the 90% numbers remain. In the graph above6, there is no information available to suggest the death rate per infection is any different in the vaccinated group compared to the unvaccinated group. You can see why by revisiting the number infected and the number who died in each group.

36 of 84611 in the unvaccinated versus 0 in 1066 in the vaccinated group. 36 in 84611 is roughly 1 in 2350, but we only had 1066 infected in the vaccinated group. There is not enough information to claim the death rate per infection is higher or lower, and that uncertainty is indicated in the graph above. That is worlds away from the relative immortality communicated by the efficacy number 100%.

In fact, if there had been 24 deaths in the vaccinated group the efficacy reported would have been 3%! Because it was looking at rates over time, 24 deaths would have been the death rate over time similar to 36 in the unvaccinated group. But clearly, among those infected, 36 in 84611 is a far lower death rate than 24 in 1066!

The death rate for the ages 16-44 among infected would need to have been almost 53 times higher to report the vaccine was 3% effective at preventing death.
More graphs

Let’s look at some other situations.

For ages 45-64, there again isn’t enough evidence to conclude that the infection/case fatality rate is any different, but as the bluish dots indicate, the numbers we have actually lean towards a higher death rate among the vaccinated.

The silver lining though is that among those 65 and over, the observed death rate in the trial gives us decent reason to believe that maybe the vaccine can reduce the death rate for this group. Since they were the most vulnerable all along, this is a promising result.
Post hoc ergo propter hoc

If you were to notice that a number of people died after vaccination, and inferred that the vaccine must have caused the death, you would be committing what is known as the “post hoc ergo propter hoc” fallacy.

This is a simple enough fallacy to explain. Just because B happened after A does not mean B was caused by A. Causation requires more knowledge to deduce.

If you were to commit this fallacy communicating concern over vaccination you would be quickly told by pro-mass-vaccination advocates of this flaw in reasoning. However the same error is committed by the pro-mass-vaccination crowd without any internal pressure checking the reasoning.

We have great reason to assert a causal relationship between decreased infection rates and vaccination. The mRNA vaccines were designed to have a causal mechanism of interaction. Observing the intended effects of the causal mechanism on the macro level (fewer infections) is reasonable to attribute to the engineered mechanism on the micro level.

We have far less reason to assert causation downstream from preventing infection. The pro-vaccinate-everyone crowd has used their incorrect understanding of how the efficacy numbers were derived, and made post hoc ergo propter hoc arguments with them. Even when the data does not show any difference, a misreading and misunderstanding of efficacy numbers is automatically combined with post hoc ergo propter hoc reasoning, compounding errors.

These are all Acceptable Catastrophic Errors, unfortunately.
The dangers of efficacy misinformation

On any given day on social media, you can find someone who has been vaccinated saying they contracted COVID, and they just know that but for the vaccine they would have been in worse shape. These announcement get shared widely. It is wonderful that people have avoided some of the worst symptoms, but the data has not supported the observation that the vaccine offers significant downstream benefits for most people.

The repetition of this false idea, that there are amazing and significant additional benefits outside of mere reduced infection rates, will result in people taking increased risks.

The person who incorrectly assumes that “with the vaccine, even if I get infected I am less likely to die than I would be without the vaccine,” will be more likely to engage in behavior that risks infection. They may become the “it’s just a flu bro” of the vaccinated.

If the lack of observed layered protection were made more explicit then people may choose to still wear masks and social distance, to further reduce their exposure in addition to vaccination. They may choose to go to fewer social events. This in turn would reduce the infection rate, and reduce the probability a mutation that evades vaccination finds a host to practice on. (While writing this article, the White House changed its masking recommendation for the vaccinated)

Those who strongly believe everyone should get vaccinated may still choose to promote the efficacy numbers as additional layers of protection, because their goal is to encourage people to get vaccinated. Misleading use of numbers in advertising is a tale as old as time. But they are doing so at the cost of both their honesty and integrity, and sacrificing some of the actual benefits that vaccination provides, by giving people incorrect information to base their choices on.
Individual probabilities vs rates over time

Those who like to say “the numbers speak for themselves” are the least likely to understand what the numbers are saying. The studies that make epidemiological assessments are reporting to a different audience than the numbers reported are being presented to. To the extent that some studies may exist where these values are calculated conditionally, they are incompatible with the ones that have been computed unconditionally. This information is unlikely to be contained in the spreading of these numbers, as they are more often going to be used interchangeably.
The wrong audience

A hospital trying to plan resources and staffing cares about the estimated daily hospitalization and death rate given how many people are vaccinated. A policy maker deciding among options to fight coronavirus, cares what the daily rates are for various metrics after a policy is adopted.

An individual, for the most part, does not care about the daily rate in the population. They care what their own odds, or those of their loved ones, are.

It does not matter to an individual if the daily observed rate of infection is low across all people, if they themselves are at significantly higher risk. However, absent other measures that can guide an individual risk assessment, a report of daily infection rates if vaccinated compared to unvaccinated does give someone a useful measure at the level of making the choice to get vaccinated.

But once an individual becomes vaccinated, the daily rate of hospitalization, or the daily rate of death, is meaningless. Except in the extremes, such as a resources being exhausted, the daily rate of death has zero relationship to an individual’s chances of death once infected. The individual needs to know their probabilities if they ultimately become infected.
We’re being set up for disaster

At the beginning of this article I teased that the data show that death rate among the vaccinated and infected is higher than that of the unvaccinated and infected. This is true for death and also true for hospitalization.

There is no sleight of hand or trickery involved. These results are plain as day in the Israeli data if anyone had cared to look. It’s just the result of counting things and dividing things counted that people actually wanted to know about. Not only that, but these results are logical, and now easily predictable. They are also happening elsewhere and are causing confusion.
Why are the infection death rates higher?

The reason, hidden in plain sight, is that a large number people who were never going to die, are no longer getting infected.

By obsessively spreading the misinformation that people have additional benefits to protect against death if they become infected, in order to encourage everyone to get vaccinated, it becomes a unknown fact those most likely to die (6.6 in 100,000)7 are now most likely to get infected (2.5 in 100,000).

Contrast that with those who were least likely to die (0.04 in 100,000) are now those least likely to get infected (1.7 in 100,000).

And these results are now being reflected across the globe. In the UK, which is tracking variants, reports that among Delta variant cases, those vaccinated with two doses died at a rate of 0.0078 per infection and those unvaccinated died at a rate of 0.0014 per infection. The death per infection was 5.7 times higher among the vaccinated.

Without careful control and understanding, one might erroneously conclude the Delta variant is is more lethal if you’ve been vaccinated, the vaccine is losing its efficacy, the vaccination is making people weaker, or some combination. While any of those are possible outcomes in this environment, by not being aware of the infection death rate issue from the start, because one is busy spreading misinformation about extra levels of protection that the data do not support, one misses how to properly control for these effects and analyze new data as it comes in.

The death rate if infected was always going to be higher in the vaccinated groups if most of the vaccinated were those likely to die in the first place.
Those darn Acceptable Catastrophic Errors

Some people may simply shrug when this issue is pointed out to them. Some who understood at a casual level the that efficacy measures were rates over time, may simply not understand the big deal about using them to promote the vaccines. To some degree the vaccines change the probability someone who takes them will wind up dead from COVID. Is it really a big deal that the numbers are all double, triple, and quadruple counting decreased infections as additional benefits downstream? Is it really a problem if you tell a person they’ll be 100 times less likely to die if they get COVID and are vaccinated if that convinces them to get vaccinated?

Yes.
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Initial mass surveillance study from Israel shows roughly 3 times higher, newest data from the UK shows 5.7 infection death rate among the vaccinated.
2

What does 95% COVID-19 vaccine efficacy really mean? - The Lancet, March 8, 2021
3

The authors mention they use a negative binomial regression in Stata to calculate the confidence intervals, and it is possible their point estimate also is a byproduct of this regression. Without access to files to re-run the regression, at this time it cannot be said if it is error, or the regression, that is the source of the difference.
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This can be proved or demonstrated in many ways. But for those with familiar a bit of probability theory. If E_n is any chosen downstream event and E_1 is infection

Without significant effort to untangle downstream effects, the efficacy numbers other than infection will be repeating the infection efficacy.
5

First assume hospitalization/infection rate is the same as unvaccinated, then apply 98% protection on top. (5556/109876)*0.02 = 3.7
6

Beta posterior distribution with a Jeffreys prior. 95% Credible Interval
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The evidence that exists in this data that among those 65 and older vaccinated of a decreased death rate around 50% cuts their rate to around 3.3 in 100,000. This is good, but still far higher than the other groups and enough to create the end result.
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https://drrollergator.substack.com/p/da ... statistics

There are graphs and tables on the page if anyone wants to read (or even copy and paste) them.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby alwyn » Sun Aug 15, 2021 3:55 pm

anyone have a link to the japanese research where pfizer or moderna animals died? or skipped part of the clinical trials? can't find the internet sources right now....thx
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Belligerent Savant » Sun Aug 15, 2021 9:07 pm

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Alwyn - haven't found a direct link to the source of the research, but will follow-up here if anything of substance is found (outside the sites that reference the FOIA requests associated with the findings). This may be of interest in the meantime:

http://www.uphs.upenn.edu/cep/COVID/mRN ... 0final.pdf

ADVERSE EFFECTS OF MESSENGER RNA VACCINES
An Evidence Review from the Penn Medicine Center for Evidence-based Practice
December 2020
Project director: .......................... Nikhil K. Mull, MD (CEP)
Lead analyst: ............................. Matthew D. Mitchell, PhD (CEP)
Clinical review: ........................... Patrick J. Brennan, MD. (CM


There's also this:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41593-020-00771-8
The S1 protein of SARS-CoV-2 crosses the blood–brain barrier in mice


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While I'm here, a couple additional breadcrumbs:

Anecdotes from India, found in a twitter thread:

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Also, I believe I shared this a while back, but worth re-sharing:

https://apps.who.int/gpmb/assets/themat ... s/tr-6.pdf

A few key excerpts:
Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security

Preparedness for a High-Impact Respiratory Pathogen Pandemic


September 2019

Frameworks and plans articulating the evidence and role for nonpharmaceutical interventions need to be established.

• Nonpharmaceutical interventions (NPIs) have a greater likelihood of being implemented effectively if well analyzed ahead of time than if considered ad hoc during a crisis. Countries and international organizations need to better analyze the potential value and impact of NPIs; determine in which contexts, if any, a particular NPI would be effective; and conclude in which contexts they are likely do more harm than good.

WHO and other public health authorities should have the capacity to provide risk/benefit analysis to national governments, driven by scientific evidence where it exists, before NPIs are initiated in a crisis.

During an emergency, it should be expected that implementation of some NPIs, such as travel restrictions and quarantine, might be pursued for social or political purposes by political leaders, rather than pursued because of public health evidence. WHO should rapidly and clearly articulate its opposition to inappropriate NPIs, especially when they threaten public health response activities or pose increased risks to the health of the public.

• WHO and national authorities will need to provide strong evidenced-backed reasoning for the necessity of NPIs in order to effectively implement them and to communicate their role and necessity to the public, especially for NPIs such as social distancing that inherently limit civil liberties. Therefore, they should undertake directly or support research on NPIs and disseminate their findings on these analyses.

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While travel restrictions would be unlikely to prevent or substantially slow regional or interna-tional transmission of infectious diseases, these measures are commonly used by countries in response to international outbreaks. In recent events such as the 2009 influenza A H1N1 and Ebola in West Africa, many countries implemented travel restrictions, despite evidence that such measures would likely not help. In some instances, these measures have hindered international efforts to contain disease spread.

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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby drstrangelove » Mon Aug 16, 2021 8:57 am

So these are the new restrictions being put in place tonight in my city, Melbourne: https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-08-16/ ... /100380686

Headed into the city tonight to see if there was a protest, cops everywhere. I mean five or six on every street corner. They must've brought them in from the entire state. I got ID'd twice walking into the usual protest district, and probably only made it that far because I look like a standard Metropolitan progressive type. The core group of protesters couldn't make it through, assuming they tried. I was probably one of five people passing though a phalanx of police in the area the assembly generally happens.

This was in response to people going out and enjoying the weather over the weekend. The park I play basketball at was packed, and we had pickup games going all day. People had figured out loopholes and were doing pub crawls out on the streets, getting 'take away' drinks, then walking on to the next bar or pub.

Community morale was high! There was enough civil disobedience that the rules couldn't be enforced. And oh how it made the state angry. So they've given us a curfew. They've taken the rims from the basketball courts and put chains on the play equipment.

At night they fly these loud as fuck helicopters, and I mean they are fucking loud, sound like jets, because they don't have the man power to enforce things during the day, so they've had to add the night shift police to the day shift. So to cover for there being no police at night, they've put a curfew in and use helicopters to pretend there is a police presence.

Oh, did I mention we have about 20 daily confirmed covid cases. Which isn't actually true, because people don't get tested anymore, but they also check our poo, so tell us they know we are hiding cases from them. But the point is, they are lacking the deaths and hospitalisation statistics. They can only start making those up when they have enough case numbers to conflate people in a serious condition with covid, for people in a serious condition because of covid.

Anyway looks like we'll be under martial law until we get a vaccination rate up to 80%

It will be interesting to see if the general disinterest in lockdown continues. Because if people have turned their internal controls off, there isn't much the state can do from here. If they can't enforce their own rules they must get rid of them or they become an illegitimate authority.

So society is either brought into compliance with the state, or the state with society. Ultimately the choice is up us.
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