Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

[mentalgongfu2]

All the peer-reviewed studies of short-term safety and short-term efficacy have been funded, organized, coordinated, and supported by these for-profit corporations; and none of the study data have been made public or available to researchers who don’t work for these companies.

I want to believe. Can you provide evidence to support this assertion? Is there evidence to the contrary?

What does the statement mean that "none of the study data have been made public or available to researchers who don't work for these companies?"

Haven't people here posted tons of articles citing study data and interpreting it to mean Covid has a low fatality rate and the vaccine isn't very effective and may be harmful? What data are they using if not the peer-reviewed study data of safety and efficacy?

[mentalgongfu2]

Do these not count?

Even the one that says "Only vaccines for which clinical data were published in peer-reviewed articles are listed" ?

Is there some linguistic trick being employed that I am overlooking? Without calling me a shill or a sheeple, can you explain to me why I should believe ALL the 183,000 results of this search are compromised and/or show that they are funded by the for-profit corporations who are allegedly hiding the original study data?

[mentalgongfu2]

Supplemental question: How much weight should we give to who funds any of these trials in relation to the conclusions?

Context: Some not small number of studies are funded in part by the Gates Foundation, which has become a public pariah in the "anti" side of things, deserved or not.

Comparatively, Wal-Mart is currently funding major programs to make poor people aware of food and housing assistance available through existing government programs. Should we conclude expanding the number of eligible citizens who receive food stamps is bad simply because evil Wal Mart funds it? (probably because a lot of poor folk shop at Wal-Mart?)

[Belligerent Savant]

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My man, Google searching maven.

Did you happen to read and/or review any of the results of those searches in that screenshot, above?

To keep it brief here, i'll focus on 1 example.

Here's a good one:

https://bmcmedicine.biomedcentral.com/a ... 21-02059-5

Evaluation of the safety profile of COVID-19 vaccines: a rapid review

Qianhui Wu, Matthew Z. Dudley, […]Hongjie Yu
BMC Medicine volume 19, Article number: 173 (2021)

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Results
A total of 87 publications with safety data from clinical trials and post-authorization studies of 19 COVID-19 vaccines on 6 different platforms were included.

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When scrolling down towards the bottom, we see this:

Competing interests

H.Y. has received research funding from Sanofi Pasteur, GlaxoSmithKline, Yichang HEC Changjiang Pharmaceutical Company, and Shanghai Roche Pharmaceutical Company. M.D. has received research support from Walgreen Company and Merck. D.S. has received consulting or grant funding from Merck and Janssen. None of those research funding is related to development of COVID-19 vaccines. All other authors report no competing interests.

Hmmm... potential for a preferred outcome there, wouldn't you say?


Perhaps the authors of the OCLA Open Letter could have couched their language by using 'most' or 'many', rather than 'all'. I haven't performed an exhaustive review yet, but I imagine they have good cause for their words.

Even if it's not "all" peer-reviewed studies that are compromised, it's noteworthy when there are instances of this, regardless of frequency (more so if it's the standard rather than the exception).

[stickdog99]

I submit there is probably at least one study that is pro-experiment "vaccine" safety and/or efficacy that isn't compromised by its funding. So fucking what? What does that change?

"Aha! Those in favor of informed consent slightly overstated their case! Obviously, we don't need informed consent anymore!"

[Belligerent Savant]

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Caveat Lector.

Dr Ah Kahn Syed
@arkmedic

In less than a month #Israel may no longer be able to hide the very obvious about the #covidvaccine despite booster doses, #lockdowns and suppression of V data.

Leaked yesterday - 95% of deaths in the #vaccinated and a huge jump from June.



@arkmedic
Replying to
@arkmedic

Israeli Ministry of Health slides.
Left - hospitalisations June - July
Right - same, with deaths below June - July
Majority over 60 (c.95% vaccinated)

Vacc rates consistent across infection and death rates.

The jump in August is a potential disaster.

https://datadashboard.health.gov.il/COVID-19/general

https://twitter.com/arkmedic/status/142 ... 95107?s=20

[JackRiddler]

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For a bunch of countries. Hover over country names to see single-country curves. Yeah, Israel's been rising... hard to distinguish Sweden as anything other than slightly better than average in this group. (The last peak and plunge there was complete before vaccination even reached 5%.) The caveat lector is we're only appearing to be comparing apples to apples. Every country and regions within them have different diagnostic methodologies, coverage of data gathering, effectiveness of health system, inclinations and incentives to cheat either way, etc.

https://ourworldindata.org/explorers/co ... RA~BRA~JPN

[Belligerent Savant]

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Right. All the more reason nothing should be mandated, anywhere.

[Belligerent Savant]

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I posted this site a while back. Time to revisit with some more recent comments.


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1481 comments


Keevn Otte
2 hours ago

Why aren't we seeing any comparisons on symptom severity or infection rates in patients with vaccine-immunity vs patients with natural immunity?
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chris duntsch
3 hours ago

I'm looking for a peer reviewed paper showing the isolation of the covid 19 cell
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S S
2 hours ago

@chris duntsch Since Pasteur's day, no one has demonstrated experimentally the transmissibility of disease with pure cultures of bacteria or viruses. Good luck.
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David Lambert
3 hours ago

In my locale, there are more and more cases of COVID-19 being diagnosed in children...which is completely different than the original wave.

It makes me wonder whether this so called Delta variant is in fact a variant or a different strain...
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Carrie Burrows
2 hours ago

David Lambert - I was fully vaccinated with Pfizer in June. I have had numerous neurological side effects since 5 days post-vaccine, similar to others’ complaints. Numerous tests and doctors have given me no good answers.

My 15 year old daughter got Covid last week and I got it a few days later. We both had the same symptoms. In my opinion, my vaccine did not provide any protection from this variant, strain, or whatever it is.
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Keevn Otte
2 hours ago

@David Lambert Muller's Ratchet could explain this - as a pathogen evolves it becomes much more transmissible but less lethal.
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Dr. Sterling Williams
2 hours ago

@David Lambert Any and all ailments are being labeled "covid" to perpetuate this medical nightmare, so more and more people get the injection and more and more people fall sick due to the ingredients now penetrating their bloodstream from the needle, who will then go get treatment for these symptoms from the "vaccination," where they will then be labeled as having "covid" to perpetuate this "pandemic." You see where this is going?
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laura gile
7 hours ago

Has anyone's muscle twitching stopped completely? I find myself watching my legs twitch and getting filled with anxiety. I just don't know how to stop it.
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Dr. sharon chambers
5 hours ago

@laura gile I have been experiencing muscle twitching for nearly seven months now. I have found ways of controlling but not stopping it. Nights are the worst when I feel as if my entire body is vibrating. This has been an assault on my nervous system.

Magnesium supplements, co-enzyme Q 10, and black passion figs which are high in potassium and folate seem to help.

Nightly oral CBD oil and a few sessions of hyperbaric oxygen have also offered some relief.

We must keep hope in our hearts.
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laura gile
3 hours ago

Have you had any neurological testing done at all. I'm so sorry you have been experiencing this for so long. I am only 11 weeks in but I am struggling to see light at the end of the tunnel.
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Caroline Moss
3 hours ago

I’m exactly the same with my twitches & no they haven’t stopped
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laura gile
3 hours ago

I'm so sorry to hear this. How long have you been experiencing them? I am 11 weeks now but no sign at all of stopping. Waiting on a neurologist referral and praying for good news in terms of results
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Dr. cassandra balomiri
2 hours ago

@ laura gile - mine stopped ( like a few days in a row - max a week! ) and then came back ( along with that electric shock feeling after short walks). Did you try Mg tablets and oil? Won't pause Magnesium soon because i have the feeling it keeps them under control. And I can feel you, anxiety ruined my last months of life and it was prior a totally healthy and no-worries one... But this forum was like a group therapy for me! You are not alone in this, so many people are through this at this point! We just have to get through it, have patience and let it twitch until will stop at some point. And that point is different for everyone so instead of working on to " stop it ", better work on your anxiety. I tell this from my experience, I have simply lost months of life ( and still do, still have very bad moments and habits - googling what i shouldn't do), so please try to do anything else, just to keep your mind busy and away from those bad thoughts.

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Mark Wilson
2 hours ago

My muscle twitching has died down to a level where I don't really notice it most of the time now and doesn't keep me awake at all unlike when it first started.

It started about 3 weeks after jab 1 of AZ in April and was dying down by the time I had jab 2 in June. There was perhaps a very minor (if any) increase in twitching post jab 2, but it has now continued to decrease.

I guess no one knows for sure, but I feel regular exercise, stretching and massage may have helped
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Denise Bjorkman
13 hours ago

Very concerned as the number of times I'm seeing it in our clinic is too frequent to ignore. The last was a young woman in her 20s who is now deceased within a couple of days of the Pfizer. There is not enough transparency neither do I believe data is being collected let alone shared. A data repository is necessary but this idea of stifling information sharing is unacceptable.
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Nicole B
17 hours ago

I am extremely concerned about the impact of these vaccines. The safety of the vaccines has never been called into question. There are no long term studies indicating efficacy, safety, or long term response. As many have stated to mandate the vaccine in the trial phase is highly unethical. I agree with other posts that point out healthcare worker shortages that will occur as a result of mandating the vaccine and it’s impact on the healthcare system would be astronomical. Besides the unethical nature of the vaccines, the Hippocratic oath to do no harm is blatantly being ignored when we have no idea the long term ramifications of immunizing mass groups of people.
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amy be
18 hours ago

I posted a few weeks ago about continuous lower eyelid twitching for five months. This week I started doing exercises for the muscles around the eye. My eye twitch stopped.

https://www.rehabmypatient.com/face/orbicularis-oculi

It could be a coincidence. I have also been taking B12 , Magnesium, Zinc, Vit D. Stopped alcohol, coffee, and recently had two weeks mostly away from screens. So now I’m not sure what the cause was but thought I’d share as there were a few people who reported constant eye twitching and I know how much anxiety it can cause! Interestingly , once my twitch stopped, the tingling and burning in my feet and legs also stopped. I don’t know if maybe it ran its course or whether my anxiety was causing the other symptoms.
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Keevn Otte
7 hours ago

Optometrist here, myokymia is a benign but irritating spasm of the eyelid. Most common risk factors are excess caffeine, poor sleep, and high stress. Supplemental magnesium or tonic water (due to the quinine) may also be helpful.
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Keevn Otte
19 hours ago

I'm an optometrist practicing in Canada. I've had 4 patients with post-vaccine events. Two cases of Herpes Zoster Ophthalmicus, one Bell's Palsy, and one child with acute CN6 Palsy.

In regards to vaccine effectiveness and the narrative that vaccine-generated immunity is necessary, it doesn't make sense how developing antibodies to a single protein (spike) confers long-lasting immunity even close to developing antibodies to the thousands of surface proteins through natural exposure.

As far as I see it, the best way past this pandemic is through it. We need to emphasize lifestyle and dietary factors to improve metabolic health, and we need to give doctors permission to use proven therapeutics like ivermectin and HCQ. Also, docs, get your patients on nebulized hydrogen peroxide at the first sign of symptoms.
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Kez J
17 hours ago

@ Keevn Otte what strength of hydrogen peroxide do you use in the nebuliser? Diluted in Normal Saline?
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Keevn Otte
7 hours ago

I use 1/4 tsp of 3% Food-grade H2O2 and dilute it in 7 1/4 tsp of saline (1/2tsp salt + 8oz purified water) = 0.1% H2O2 solution.

You can Google the Dr Mercola nebulizer protocol for more details. There are multiple physicians who have this available on their websites.
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Amy B
1 day ago

Impact of mandating Covid vaccines for healthcare workers- There will be provider burnout carrying the load during the shortage. More providers will quit. More mistakes will be made and worst case sentinel events Hospitals will undoubtedly go on divert. This does not only involve hospitals but doctors offices.

Clinics will have issues with appointments moving slower, return call times and prescription refills will take longer. The ambulance services will be delayed as well with shortages.

Two things I want to point out- Healthcare workers have ALWAYS received the suggested vaccines- or signed an declination or exemption. For the most part- we all have our vaccines. We know we are not anti-vax. So why this vaccine? EVERYONE should be asking that question.

Secondly, if the hospitals are overwhelmed with patients (all 3 of mine are not) why would you terminate employment for the same staff who has been on the front lines without extra pay, showing up every shift, using the same PPE, wearing the same N95 for 5-12 hour shifts in a row- to be forced to receive this vaccine?

I will tell you where I personally lost confidence- when intelligent, trusted, reputable Healthcare providers who are at the bedside of these patients were silenced. Not allowed to question anything, ask for data, or question the science that was guiding the care we provide. Nor was our input asked for- no open forums- NOTHING. That is where I said NO to the vaccine. I have several colleagues and know many providers using alternate treatments that are working.

I have been in Healthcare for over 30 years and I am disgusted and at the same time disappointed at the comments I hear from coworkers on the unvaccinated. Recently a co-worker stated- a patient on Covid rule out should get last priority because they are unvaccinated.

I have heard about providers turning away unvaccinated patients. What has happened to Healthcare? Is this whom we have become? I don't know about all of you but I got into Healthcare to help people- the sick, elderly, vulnerable and poor. Now providers are turning their backs on patients because they are not vaccinated? My God!

For over a year and a half we have heard wear a mask, save lives- then why can't people continue to do so until additional data, transparency, and confidence is built back into Healthcare? I am seeing posts that people don't trust Healthcare anymore. This just breaks my heart.

Concerned Provider

Tracy Kidd
21 hours ago

Amy B The reason most health care workers took other vaccines is they had appropriate research and FDA approval. They are mandating that we participate in this clinical trial, with little research and no long term studies. Biden announced today that health care professionals working with Medicare/Medicaid patient must be vaccinated. My employer is terminating any unvaccinated employees 10/1/2021.I am leaving health care after 25 years of nursing and working the front lines during the entire pandemic. I have been taking Hydroxychloroquine for over a year and also worked ER during SARS I pandemic and studies show 17 years later we still have immunity. I don’t know where this will lead but praying that it is not the total collapse of our entire medical system.

Julia Harbeck
10 hours ago

@Tracy Kidd My friend is a skilled surgical tech, today was her last day. She won't be forced into take a clinical trial drug against her wishes, my old hospital is already critically staffed, she is one of many.

Dr. Teresa E.
20 hours ago

Amy B

I agree with you completely, nobody should be forced to take a vaccine you don't consent for. Unfortunately, you might be referring to Medicare/Medicaid, which if I remember well are private contractors. Private companies have the power to somewhat governate themselves and can legally ignore your freedom of speech. Going against this is going against the fundamentals of Capitalism.

Nicole B
18 hours ago

The fact that private companies are given the opportunity to put hard working Americans out of a job over a highly unethical vaccine is preposterous. This “vaccine” does not prevent illness for anyone, it does not convey immunity, and it does not protect the vulnerable as was touted. There should be no loopholes to ignore the freedom of speech of Americans and their right to choose what goes into their bodies.

Jennifer Gomoll
3 hours ago

@Amy B I have been an RN for 25 years and I will work as a truck driver before I will take this shot. They want people all over the country to pick between career/income and their health. This is medical apartheid . Kettering in Ohio, the entire STATE of Maine-mandating for all healthcare staff get it of be fired for insubordination? Catholic hospitals in Chicago, Texas even.. I have heard from friends around the country who plan to leave healthcare due to the expectation they take the jab... and the masking itself makes no sense. Virology tells you that it does not stop a virus-- if its airborne then wear a TB mask.. otherwise its just a virtue signal. That said.. government insistence of their control of our professions is wrong. Refusal to see patients who can not or will not take the shot is a violation of our oaths. I agree, this is wrong on so many levels.

[mentalgongfu2]

My man, Google searching maven

My man, are you going to bother responding to anything I actually said and asked?

[Belligerent Savant]

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The short version of my response: data must be considered from numerous sources; funding of said 'data' (reports, findings, articles) should be factored in and taken into consideration when assessing information. The core principles of conducting an investigation, in essence.

Moving along, a few other noteworthy points of consideration from the prior link I shared above:

Dr. zachary K
3 days ago

@Dr. Sterling Williams

1. What is the R0 of COVID-19?

2. What is the actual case fatality a rate of COVID-19?

3. Apart from vaccination, what are dilated treatment regimens for the management of COVID-19?

4. What is antibody dependent enhancement and how doesthat potentially relate to COVID-19? Has it ever happened before?

5. What is the actual mechanism for mRNA vaccine?

6. What is the clinical history behind mRNA vaccines and their development?

7. What is the spike protein and its role with regard to the pathogenesis of COVID-19?

8. With regard to the vaccine, what is the biodistribution of the spike protein?

9. What is a half-life of the spike protein?

10. Other than the intent of the spike protein innoculation, what are its other proven biological activities?

11. Finally, who is a vaccine intended to protect & does vaccine prevent one from becoming infected and shedding pathogen?


Until you can answer these questions, it is your duty as a physician to be skeptical.
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Amy B
2 days ago

God Bless you! We need more @Dr.Sterling Williams I have had fellow coworkers state those not getting the vaccine should be given last priority and have seen advertisements from attorneys helping physicians refuse care to the unvaccinated. Never in my 30 years of Healthcare did I think I would hear that! I love taking care of my patients. Taking care of the sick, elderly, vulnerable, and the poor- without judgement! It is great to hear other providers still believe in ethics!
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Julia Harbeck
2 days ago

@Amy B Yes, I have heard that also, we won't be allowed to got to a dentist or doctor unless we are vaccinated and we have to have the passport in some cities. Like 1984. I never thought I would live long enough to see something so sinister happening in my country and in fact the entire world. But the people pushing it are making 2 billion a day off the vaccine, they have a lot of incentive to keep it going, using us them medical field to administer their poison which we all know by know doesn't work.
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S S
2 days ago

@Dr. Sterling Williams I wish you were my doctor.
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V G
1 day ago

Dr. Sterling Williams Really appreciate your integrity. Wish more physicians felt the same way.
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Dr P B
2 days ago

@Dr. zachary kilpatrick @Dr. Sterling Williams Thank goodness that there are still doctors asking these questions. Please continue!


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Sandra Lockhart
2 days ago

@Dr. zachary kilpatrick @Dr. Sterling Williams Well defined questions which require research and critical thinking!

No Practitioner can recommend this “Injection” or provide for TRUE informed consent without the answers to these basic questions.

One question I would consider adding is “What are the conditions of the Emergency Use Authorization and does this Injection truly meet these conditions”?

Thanks for posting!

And one more:

C R
10 days ago

I am a Registered Cardiology Technologist with over a decade clinical experience. I work mainly in acute settings, usually in the ER at our city's hospital.

What I have observed can not be brushed off as coincidental. I see upwards of 50 patients a shift (so I get a good feel of incoming ED traffic) and I have noticed a large increase in patients 20-40 y/o, who happen to be one day to approx two weeks post vax. Generally speaking my patients are more advanced in age pre vax. Main complaints are chest pain/tightness, SOB, emesis, syncope/presyncope and tachycardia.

I have also noticed an increase in hot strokes coming in. Our ED's patient load has seen a 30% increase from baseline most days as well.

ECG findings in these pts have shown (not necessarily in every incidence or every abnormality in every case): sinus tach ~120 bpm, new RBBB, increased voltage in R wave V1-V3 indicative of RVH, RAE / p-pulmunale, SVE/PVC's, ST sagging globularly and in some cases ST elivation globularly with PR depression indicative of pericarditis.

Labs often have elevated trops.

I generally don't see patients from admission to discharge so I cannot comment on outcomes.

I am not c19 vaccinated and will likely exit my career if mandated. I am likely in the minority at my site but I am skeptical by nature and made it the first 18 months unvaxed so decided to wait and watch. Glad I did. Sorry to those who have and are having a rough time of it. Scary times.

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https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7827936/

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6. Discussion
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Our laboratory only tested the effects of the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein in lung vascular cells and those implicated in the development of PAH. However, this protein may also affect the cells of systemic and coronary vasculatures, eliciting other cardiovascular diseases such as coronary artery disease, systemic hypertension, and stroke. In addition to cardiovascular cells, other cells that express ACE2 have the potential to be affected by the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein, which may cause adverse pathological events. Thus, it is important to consider the possibility that the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein produced by the new COVID-19 vaccines triggers cell signaling events that promote PAH, other cardiovascular complications, and/or complications in other tissues/organs in certain individuals (Figure 3). We will need to monitor carefully the long-term consequences of COVID-19 vaccines that introduce the spike protein into the human body. Furthermore, while human data on the possible long-term consequences of spike protein-based COVID-19 vaccines will not be available soon, it is imperative that appropriate experimental animal models are employed as soon as possible to ensure that the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein does not elicit any signs of the pathogenesis of PAH or any other chronic pathological conditions.

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https://www.upi.com/Health_News/2021/08 ... 629311712/

Survey: 1 in 5 medical researchers reports pressure from funders to change study results

Aug. 18 (UPI) -- Nearly one in five public health researchers feels pressured by study funders to delay publication of, or change, findings, a survey published Wednesday by PLOS One found.

In the small survey of 104 researchers in fields such as nutrition, sexual health, physical activity and substance use, 18% of respondents said that they had, on at least one occasion, felt pressured by funders, the data showed.

The affected studies were published between 2007 and 2017, the researchers said.

Because of what the researchers describe as a history of interference from industry funders, such as drug companies in public health research, they expected those leading industry-funded studies to report the most attempted influence, they said.

^^^^^^
I wonder what that percentage may be now if assessed since 2020.

[Grizzly]

Meanwhile, down under....
https://rumble.com/vj3pqp-secret-video-of-australian-senate-meeting-with-head-of-tga-brendan-murphy.html
Aus Senator who doesn't come from a political background, actually representing her constituents

[drstrangelove]

Melbourne protests a success today. State Government concentrated police presence in city to prevent protest. Thousands got to the assembly area and showed there is no such thing as an illegal protest, only what can and cannot be broken up using force. Meanwhile the inner and outer suburbs were left unpoliced, so people could enjoy the weather, which these days amounts to civil disobedience.

You may read about what is happening in Australia and get the wrong impression. And don't get me wrong, what state governments are trying to do is extreme. But people by and large are beginning to ignore the rules. Which is to say, the state authority can't enforce its own rules and is becoming illegitimate the longer it keeps to them.

Morale was high today! And all you need to beat police is numbers and high morale!

[thrulookingglass]

Of all the draconian measures ruler's have used to oppress the "unwashed" masses; war, taxes, savagery, lies, economics, private property, slavery, violence, sexism, cronyism, nepotism, racism...it was a five inch piece of cloth over their mouths that sent the people to the streets in outrage.

[Harvey]

Of all the draconian measures ruler's have used to oppress the "unwashed" masses; war, taxes, savagery, lies, economics, private property, slavery, violence, sexism, cronyism, nepotism, racism...it was a five inch piece of cloth over their mouths that sent the people to the streets in outrage.

Just call them anti-maskers and it's job done. I call bullshit.

At the very most, masks are a straw which broke the camel. Besides, since corporate/billionaire/MSM is so anxious to conflate almost everything pertaining to their actual activities into the most apparently ridiculous context possible, one should naturally resist every such conflation or reductionist narrative as a matter of course. There is a burden upon us all to resist, not to co-operate, to dissent (and to question our own implicit assumptions) but especially to maintain the utmost scepticism toward all of those well known cunts who are well documented liars, employed exclusively to promote false consciousness. When the context itself is the lie, it's really up to you to do better than recapitulate their propaganda.