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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby stickdog99 » Sun Aug 29, 2021 2:48 am

Elvis » 28 Aug 2021 22:06 wrote:
Has COVID-19 so scarred you that you now actually welcome the full on DARPA dystopia of total biosecurity awareness just to give yourself a potential further shred of talismanic statistical protection against a bad case of the fucking flu?


No. I'm just surprised COVID-19 has so scarred anyone that they'd compare mitigation measures with the Nazi's systematic extermination of Jews.


Yeah, those "common sense" COVID-18 "mitigation measures" that you love so much have nothing whatsoever to do with your wildly outsized fear of COVID-19. No, it is I who must be scarred for not welcoming your desired future in which all admission to all public places requires the correct Big Tech, Big Pharma, Big Brother QR Code approval.

You know, "mitigation measures."
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby DrEvil » Sun Aug 29, 2021 8:24 am

stickdog99 » Sun Aug 29, 2021 8:48 am wrote:
Elvis » 28 Aug 2021 22:06 wrote:
Has COVID-19 so scarred you that you now actually welcome the full on DARPA dystopia of total biosecurity awareness just to give yourself a potential further shred of talismanic statistical protection against a bad case of the fucking flu?


No. I'm just surprised COVID-19 has so scarred anyone that they'd compare mitigation measures with the Nazi's systematic extermination of Jews.


Yeah, those "common sense" COVID-18 "mitigation measures" that you love so much have nothing whatsoever to do with your wildly outsized fear of COVID-19. No, it is I who must be scarred for not welcoming your desired future in which all admission to all public places requires the correct Big Tech, Big Pharma, Big Brother QR Code approval.

You know, "mitigation measures."


And once again you confuse criticism of the Nazi comparison with agreement with all the mitigation measures.

If the way you present your message immediately pisses off a large percentage of people you're doing it wrong, unless your goal is to push people away.

How often do you see campaigners, for any cause except Holocaust remembrance, use the yellow star? The answer is never, because it's stupid and offensive, and everyone realizes that it's counterproductive. Doesn't matter how good your cause is, people will roll their eyes and say Christ, what an asshole.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Belligerent Savant » Sun Aug 29, 2021 9:46 am

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The assholes are the ones that passively accept, or in other instances, react indifferently to crimes against humanity.

The assholes are the ones that think it's humorous to reference '5G connectivity' when announcing inoculation of experimental medical treatment -- anyone is certainly entitled to inject whatever they want into their bodies, but what makes them an asshole is to diminish the legitimate risks (near-term, as well as-of-yet unknown long-term) to lives, livelihoods, and human rights by announcing their participation in said experimentation with stale, cliche humor. Lives and livelihoods are lost as a direct result of inoculation (and related coercions). It's not something that merits lame humor.

The assholes are the ones that wish death or ill health on anyone questioning or expressing earnest hesitance, rightfully, with unprecedented measures that will indeed have wide-scale ramifications for current and future generations.

Among other examples.


Relatedly:

Why haven't we heard from the fucking ACLU on their position Re: vaccine passports/proof of vaccination?
Where are all the 'leftists' with their Black Lives Matter signs and t-shirts, given the majority of the unvaccinated in NYC are black/minorities, and as such, minorities will essentially be shunned/excluded (blatantly discriminated against) from dining, employment, and other services due to vaccine passport/'proof of vaccination' enforcement?

Assholes, frauds and cowards, the lot of them.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby kelley » Sun Aug 29, 2021 10:37 am

what I see in graphic representations of covid infection in the US as autumn approaches is more of less a map of the Confederacy

and I think

'huh'
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby stickdog99 » Sun Aug 29, 2021 3:58 pm

DrEvil » 29 Aug 2021 12:24 wrote:
stickdog99 » Sun Aug 29, 2021 8:48 am wrote:
Elvis » 28 Aug 2021 22:06 wrote:
Has COVID-19 so scarred you that you now actually welcome the full on DARPA dystopia of total biosecurity awareness just to give yourself a potential further shred of talismanic statistical protection against a bad case of the fucking flu?


No. I'm just surprised COVID-19 has so scarred anyone that they'd compare mitigation measures with the Nazi's systematic extermination of Jews.


Yeah, those "common sense" COVID-18 "mitigation measures" that you love so much have nothing whatsoever to do with your wildly outsized fear of COVID-19. No, it is I who must be scarred for not welcoming your desired future in which all admission to all public places requires the correct Big Tech, Big Pharma, Big Brother QR Code approval.

You know, "mitigation measures."


And once again you confuse criticism of the Nazi comparison with agreement with all the mitigation measures.

If the way you present your message immediately pisses off a large percentage of people you're doing it wrong, unless your goal is to push people away.

How often do you see campaigners, for any cause except Holocaust remembrance, use the yellow star? The answer is never, because it's stupid and offensive, and everyone realizes that it's counterproductive. Doesn't matter how good your cause is, people will roll their eyes and say Christ, what an asshole.


If you didn't get the picture yet, I am starting to think that my previous strategy of politely demurring to the wildly outsized fears of COIVD-19 and self-congratulatory "compassion" for all past, current, and potential future COVID-19 victims of all of my (former?) "good liberal" friends has completely backfired.

So I would like to make my stance perfectly clear: Fuck all you smug assholes who continue to welcome and even demand the current vast acceleration of dystopia that we are all now facing because you still refuse to think even one tiny step beyond the conventional wisdom of the professional managerial class you belong to.

If you don't like being compared to the "good Germans" of the Weimar Republic who passively accepted or even defended "mitigation measures" as the gypsies (and all the rest of the "others") became increasingly discriminated against, then wake the fuck up and stop welcoming, defending, and/or passively accepting the Big Tech, Big Pharma, and Big Brother dystopia that is inevitably coming for you.

Since you can't possibly be for all of this shit on principle, why exactly are you for all of this shit?
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Iamwhomiam » Sun Aug 29, 2021 9:54 pm

Fuck all you smug assholes who continue to welcome and even demand the current vast acceleration of dystopia that we are all now facing because you still refuse to think even one tiny step beyond the conventional wisdom of the professional managerial class you belong to.


The irony overwhelms. You have a long history of being anti-vax, any and all, as you've recently reminded us. Of course you do not see your own actions and those of others sharing your viewpoint as cause for the radical restraints being imposed, but blame and point to others as responsible.

Now you're becoming as nasty as bs, and that's pretty fucked up and unnecessary. I can't fault anyone for refusing an unapproved vaccine or one rushed thru development for emergency authorization and introduction. I understood the risks I was taking getting the experimental vaccine and feel I made the right choice. Being immuno-suppressed and barely able to breathe I chose to risk the possible negative effects of the experimental vaccine against getting covid and drowning. I've suffered no ill effects to date.

The fear you few have been in a panic about seems to me to only appear here and nowhere else in my world. And that is usually shared by, bless his heart, bs. Since Karma's come back after his six month absence, tossing the furniture around and bad-mouthing everyone here, well he's a trip! Hey, Karma - little history trip from ages ago: Might help you, bs, Harvey and stickdogcome to a better understanding as to why only assholes use the gold star to make feeble points conversationally:
May 24, 2021
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/marjorie-taylor-greene-mask-mandate-holocaust-b1852639.html

May 25, 2021
https://coloradonewsline.com/2021/05/25/marjorie-taylor-greene-comparison-of-mask-wearing-and-the-holocaust-condemned-by-house-gop-leader/

May 25, 2021
https://www.wsj.com/articles/marjorie-taylor-greenes-holocaust-comments-condemned-by-top-republicans-11621964437

June 14, 2021
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-congresswoman-marjorie-taylor-greene-apologizes-comparing-covid-19-masks-2021-06-14/

July 30, 2021
https://www.oklahoman.com/story/news/2021/07/30/oklahoma-republicans-blast-gop-covid-vaccine-holocaust-comparison/5438423001/
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby DrEvil » Sun Aug 29, 2021 10:44 pm

stickdog99 » Sun Aug 29, 2021 9:58 pm wrote:
DrEvil » 29 Aug 2021 12:24 wrote:
stickdog99 » Sun Aug 29, 2021 8:48 am wrote:
Elvis » 28 Aug 2021 22:06 wrote:
Has COVID-19 so scarred you that you now actually welcome the full on DARPA dystopia of total biosecurity awareness just to give yourself a potential further shred of talismanic statistical protection against a bad case of the fucking flu?


No. I'm just surprised COVID-19 has so scarred anyone that they'd compare mitigation measures with the Nazi's systematic extermination of Jews.


Yeah, those "common sense" COVID-18 "mitigation measures" that you love so much have nothing whatsoever to do with your wildly outsized fear of COVID-19. No, it is I who must be scarred for not welcoming your desired future in which all admission to all public places requires the correct Big Tech, Big Pharma, Big Brother QR Code approval.

You know, "mitigation measures."


And once again you confuse criticism of the Nazi comparison with agreement with all the mitigation measures.

If the way you present your message immediately pisses off a large percentage of people you're doing it wrong, unless your goal is to push people away.

How often do you see campaigners, for any cause except Holocaust remembrance, use the yellow star? The answer is never, because it's stupid and offensive, and everyone realizes that it's counterproductive. Doesn't matter how good your cause is, people will roll their eyes and say Christ, what an asshole.


If you didn't get the picture yet, I am starting to think that my previous strategy of politely demurring to the wildly outsized fears of COIVD-19 and self-congratulatory "compassion" for all past, current, and potential future COVID-19 victims of all of my (former?) "good liberal" friends has completely backfired.

So I would like to make my stance perfectly clear: Fuck all you smug assholes who continue to welcome and even demand the current vast acceleration of dystopia that we are all now facing because you still refuse to think even one tiny step beyond the conventional wisdom of the professional managerial class you belong to.


Can you not read, or are you just really fucking dense? How many times do I have to tell you that I agree with you about the dangers of all the shit currently being implemented? Should I turn my hysteria knob to eleven? Maybe call some people good Germans or foot soldiers of big pharma? Would that help?

If you don't like being compared to the "good Germans" of the Weimar Republic who passively accepted or even defended "mitigation measures" as the gypsies (and all the rest of the "others") became increasingly discriminated against, then wake the fuck up and stop welcoming, defending, and/or passively accepting the Big Tech, Big Pharma, and Big Brother dystopia that is inevitably coming for you.


And again: are you illiterate, really dense or just trolling?

Since you can't possibly be for all of this shit on principle, why exactly are you for all of this shit?


Fucking hell, how hard can it be to understand this really simple concept: agree with message, disagree with delivery.

One more time: THE ONLY THING I DISAGREE WITH YOU ON HERE IS YOUR CHOICE OF ICONOGRAPHY!

That's it! Nothing more and nothing less. I think using the yellow star is counterproductive and helps push people away rather than convince them you're right. If I disagreed with you and thought your actions were doing more harm than good I would just keep my mouth shut and let you get on with sabotaging yourself. But I don't disagree, so I spoke up, and it worked out really well.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby drstrangelove » Mon Aug 30, 2021 12:33 am

The extreme messaging mobilizes a certain demographic while isolating another. The more moderate messaging has the same inverse effect. Neither will agree on where we sit on a spectrum escalating toward its logical end point, an established totalitarian state. It's a sense of urgency issue really. Certain demographics feel the effects of these escalating policies before others, so will take a more extreme opposition to them earlier than others.

They key is in uniting thE demographical divide, and this cannot be done through unified messaging. Trying to do so is a quagmire not worth the effort.

It is my belief that the more moderate block should realise that there are pros and cons to the more radical block, being those calling the current state of things Nazism.

Firstly, people who believe they are fighting Nazis are highly motivated, turn up to protests, and have high morale. This extreme group should be treated as an isolated core, which the moderate group works around and in a de facto relationship with.

The protests in my city of Melbourne would never have happened without a radical core group that Believed depopulation is going on,. They were prepared to kick start things when there were only a hundred of them or so. But as time went on, moderates like myself, who are more shy towards political action, built up around them, so that the movement grew to a mostly moderate group around a core radical group. Kind of like a protecting layer the cops can't penetrate without public outcry, because the moderates are peaceful. And I may only speak for myself, but I value the leverage the threat of radicals provides. Because if the movement was purely meek moderates, the protests would be easily broken up, as the police would exploit this.

Now, I think it is unfair, as a moderate who joined a protest movement stated by radicals, to call for their exclusion from the platform. But beyond that, I think they are a necessity to ensuring the state understands people are so against these things, that moderates will support radical groups against them. This is what they really fear. The states authority rests on the support on moderates. Same situation in the middle east. Alot of the population support the radical groups so the western occupying forces will fuck off. And when the western forces do, the radicals realise they don't actually have that much real support either.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby stickdog99 » Mon Aug 30, 2021 3:32 am

Oh, yeah! I forgot that In the past (just as today) I had always simply just hoped that vaccines were just as great as everybody seems to think they are, but actually wished to see some proof that each and every one of them actually were.

I totally realize that this terrible heresy made me "anti-vax" in the eyes of every vaccine true believer on this forum. And, of course, ever daring to question the cost/risk vs. benefit analysis of any specific vaccine (such as the flu vaccine or Gardasil) thus negates any view I ever have about current utterly terrible and totally bio-fascist vaccine mandates.

Carry on being "moderate." When you and everyone you know are forced to take each and every medicine Big Tech, Big Pharma, and Big Brother demand (including every flu vaccine and every COVID-19 booster, as well as Gardasil for both females and males), will you even remember this transient moment in time and the hysterical label of "anti-vax" you used to pummel anyone who did not welcome the dystopia you relish?

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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby stickdog99 » Mon Aug 30, 2021 4:23 am

Of course, if our government wanted to do JUST ONE THING to actually stop the spread of COVID-19, it would be to pay people who tested positive for COVID-19 to stay home (or to stay in quarantined COVID-19 care facilities). That clearly should have been the very first mitigating measure.

The bottom line of COVID-19 to me is this.

Any government actually wanting to reduce rates of mortality would have:

* provided free healthcare, especially to suffering from COVID-19 OR any ill health effects from COVID-19 vaccines or treatments
* encouraged healthy lifestyles and provided free nutritious food and nutrition supplements
* protected the vulnerable elderly rather than housing them with infectious patients and euthanizing them with drugs
* set up comfortable places outside of populated areas for infected individuals to voluntarily quarantine
* offered free delivery of life's necessities and a living wage stipend to those who were infected during their quarantine period
* set up a blue ribbon panel of independent medical researchers and clinicians to explore the efficacy of off label drugs for prophylactic and/or remedial treatment for COVID-19 and then deeply examine those showing the most early promise.

Instead, we in the USA have seen a nothing but a singular drumbeat for lockdowns, masks, and experimental vaccines, none of which have yet been scientifically proven to help us more than than they hurt us, but all of which cost the top 0.1% nothing and all of which actually serve to funnel countless billions from the bottom 99.9% to the top 0.1%.

And now, the same top 0.1% is using your irrational fear of COVID and well-fomented hatred of idiot Trumpers to get you to welcome (and even demand) a Big Tech, Big Pharma, and Big Brother dystopia of total bio-security awareness. Wake the fuck up!
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