Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Elvis » Sun Sep 05, 2021 4:43 pm

Looking again at Taiwan, where new Covid cases are one per day. That's out of 23 million people.

What did Taiwan do that's different?

The Taiwan government:

- immediately took command of the necessary resources
- immediately banned export of PPE
- guaranteed to manufacturers the purchase of all PPE they could make
- tested people daily
- conducted unintrusive contact tracing
- imposed limited isolation
- provided quarantine facilities for infected persons
- encouraged use of facemasks, provided free.

The US did pretty much the opposite, sitting on its hands, letting the "free market" make book. In Taiwan they're playing baseball in crowded stadiums again. There was a spike after a returning pilot, infected, lied about his contacts. Today the weekly average of new cases is one per day.

It does seem possible to put this behind us.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavir ... ry/taiwan/
https://thediplomat.com/2021/07/why-tai ... -19-again/
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby DrEvil » Sun Sep 05, 2021 5:15 pm

thrulookingglass » Sun Sep 05, 2021 7:08 pm wrote:"So lockdown laws are unjustifiable" merely opinion. Liberties are assumed not granted. I don't know what country you live in but here in America a minor inconvenience by ending public seating at restaurants, bars, less gatherings and sporting events were the incredible infringement on our feigned "liberties". Not warrantless wire taps, not an end to habeas corpus for "terror suspects", not no knock warrants, and not the use of torture as a means of reprisal that suspended our "liberties" but masks, vaccines and a shamefully perfidious president who fiddled while the world burnt. There are responsibilities here and they get more and more significant when we IGNORE them! WE SPREAD THIS FIRE OF EVIL UPON ONE ANOTHER! Slough off obligations to one another has left this world putrefied! And while you look to poke holes in other person's scientific investigations the world smolders just the same. The rise of the (brutal) nation-states as a force to spoil the souls of men with dreams of outlandish trinkets and perverse worship of violent rule is the grave we dig deeper every day. THEY'RE SPORTS TEAMS YOU FOOLS! Don the jersey of your favorite country. The virus of hatred and damnation towards our fellow human beings has NOT been addressed but prospers more and more each day!

There ARE masks that work but capitalist commerce is unwilling to produce them without PROFIT! The obscenity of money worship meanders on. And the masses can't have their imagined "inalienable rights" that slave owners spilled on parchment that exist only in their minds infringed upon. Take to the streets with rifles while the government reads every correspondence you send!

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How long shall we steer this ship into a merciless storm and blame the raging waves we arrogantly plowed into for destroying our riggings?

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You forgot one: the new abortion law in Texas (plus the other six states who think it's awesome and wants to replicate it). Bounties for snitching on pregnant women (and anyone who helps them) if they get an abortion after week six, with no exceptions for rape or incest, approved by the god damn supreme court, and not a peep from anyone here. I guess half the population of Texas losing their bodily autonomy is no big deal compared to the horror of having to wear a piece of cloth.

I wonder what the reaction would have been if there was a $10000 payout for snitching on the unvaccinated.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Belligerent Savant » Sun Sep 05, 2021 5:15 pm

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Re: Taiwan:

What about Sweden?

This chart shows deaths per million, per country, in the last 7 days, among other stats. Sweden is at 0.68; Israel, one of the highest vaccine compliance rates, is at 19.3.
(U.S. is over 20).
Sweden has reported a total of 42 deaths in the last 2 months.

No masks, no vaccine passports, minimal lockdowns for Sweden in contrast to restrictive nations. Vaccination is optional, not mandatory, and many Swedes opted to take the vaccine.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/110 ... habitants/

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Source: WHO

We're not gonna 'mass vaccinate' our way out of this.

https://eugyppius.substack.com/p/vaccin ... he-way-out


Vaccine Failure and the Way Out


The Corona vaccines don’t work very well. Ubiquitous statistics showing that the vaccinated enjoy substantial protection against serious illness and death seem wrong. In some cases they are probably manipulated. They are certainly confounded by the different testing regimes to which the vaccinated and the unvaccinated are subjected. Once you forget the specifics of efficacy and look at the broader picture, it is easy to see where we are. The vaccines have not reduced Corona mortality compared to the same time last year in any jurisdiction that I know of. Countries with high vaccination rates are now seeing the same number of deaths, or more, as they had at the beginning of September 2020. Time is a flat circle.

If you peer deeper, you’ll generally find this: The vaccinated remain substantially protected against serious illness or death, but the unvaccinated are entering the hospital and dying at very high rates indeed, as if to compensate. Thus Israel has maintained the same case fatality rate of around 0.7%, before and after mass vaccination. If this is just Delta being more dangerous, then we would expect countries with lower vaccination rates to be enduring truly staggering mortality right now, but they are not. In heavily vaccinated countries, Delta is raging with a rare fury among the unvaccinated, but in lesser-vaccinated countries it is doing nothing unusual. This means that the efficacy statistics are broadly unreliable. The exact reasons don’t really matter: Either the vaccines have the power to change the whole picture, or they don’t.

None of this should surprise us. Vaccines against coronaviruses have been used in animals for decades, and none of them work very well. Generally they begin to fail after a few months. Despite their technical sophistication, our mRNA and vector vaccines against SARS-2 are no different. They had some success when they were first rolled out, but if anything that probably made things worse. They effectively killed off the older Kent lineage and reduced the overall genetic diversity of SARS-2. Cases plummeted in the United Kingdom and Israel, and Delta emerged victorious from this bottleneck event. When newly vaccinated Icelanders travelled to the Delta-saturated UK for holiday, they did not even enjoy an initial period of protection against infection. They brought Delta back to Iceland, where the new strain circulated among vaccinated and unvaccinated at nearly the same rate.

In a world where the symptomatic mostly stay home, Corona is locked in a balancing act. It can’t make people too sick too soon, or its hosts will remove themselves from circulation and infect nobody. Delta is more aggressive than prior strains, probably to the point of disadvantaging itself in containment-happy countries. The more aggressive, earlier replication allows it to get the jump on immunity in the vaccinated, however, who can also tolerate more virus replication with fewer symptoms. Together with ordinary antigenic drift, this would seem to be the mechanism that has brought Delta to prominence. We are probably justified in calling this phenomenon a weak Marek Effect. Our universal vaccination campaigns worked just well enough to speed up the evolutionary processes that are always and everywhere optimising Corona.

It is impossible to believe that this failure was not foreseen. The scientists who developed the vaccines knew for sure how things would play out. That’s why they concluded the trials after three or four months and vaccinated their controls. It’s why they have been talking about boosters from the very beginning. It’s why, if you listened carefully, you never heard Zero Covid sloganeering coming from Team Vaccine. Only the comparative morons on Team Lockdown ever talked like that.

Our politicians and our new public health dictators, on the other hand, remained oblivious to the limited potential of the vaccines. They continue to insist on universal vaccination and green passes, while it is obvious that these will do nothing to influence the course of the pandemic. It is worth asking why, because when you think about it, you can see that the vaccine roll-out came with an inbuilt exit strategy. The vaccines arrived most everywhere in the spring, as Corona was going out of season anyway. Policymakers immediately claimed declining infections as a victory for the vaccines, but they failed to take the next step and declare the war won and either discontinue their case counts, or at the very least exclude the vaccinated from infection and mortality statistics. Instead, they deployed half measures, devising new regulations that exempt the vaccinated from testing most of the time, while failing to shut the door on the pandemic and maintaining numbers that are just reliable enough to reveal the futility of their policies.

This was the second time our brave health dictatorship failed to use the obvious, purpose-built exit ramp of seasonality. The first was in Spring 2020, after the entire West (with the exceptions of Sweden and Belarus) bought into mass containment and Corona infections collapsed everywhere in April. Establishment scientific voices had by this time spent two months denying that there would be significant seasonal effects, on the basis of some superficial modelling studies. As with the vaccine roll-out, denying seasonality allowed them to declare a policy victory. As with the vaccine roll-out, the stage was set for everybody to say that they had defeated Corona, fold up shop and go home. This is, you will note, exactly what China did. They tightened official testing criteria, declared the pandemic over with and never looked back. Western countries, though, kept the ball in the air all summer long, just as they are keeping the ball in the air now.

Governments are both more powerful and more paralysed than they have been at any other point in history. Powers have diffused throughout the realms of bureaucracy. By distributing power in this way, occupational classes ensure loyalty and unanimity across the whole of the civil service, academia and the press. The consequence is that states have become profoundly and permanently demobilised, incapable of acting according to coherent strategies. Over and over in Corona, we see clear hints of strategic thinking in certain quarters – the exit ramps are among the clearest signs – but these are always overridden by the broader momentum of countless thousands of nameless, faceless optimisers and hystericists who sit on hundreds of boring pointless committees performing the same iterative destructive acts of governance over and over.

These are bureaucratic processes of untold complexity, all of them steered in roughly the same direction by a loose system of Schelling points. The mysterious power of globalist organisations like the World Economic Forum is the coordination they provide, by acting as venues for the occupational elites to formulate policy schemes among themselves and to propagate these plans and ideals through loose networks of affiliated tycoons, journalists and NGOs. Until now, Corona policy in every western country has unfolded more or less according to the same script, devised by the World Health Organisation at the end of February 2020. The final act was supposed to be the wide-scale eradication of Corona after mass vaccination. It is now clear that this will never happen. For the first time since March 2020, there is no obvious international consensus on the way forward.

A few countries, or perhaps even a few prominent politicians or public health pundits who do not have their heads up their asses, could change everything. Everyone who is not crazy needs to start insisting on the same simple message:

We have to live with Corona, it will always be with us. Biannual boosters for the entire population will not solve anything. They will only reduce the effectiveness of vaccines by encouraging antigenic drift. The vaccines are, at best, a solution for the elderly and the vulnerable only. Everyone will get Corona, even the vaccinated, and children need to get it while they are still young and while it poses no risk to them. In this way, SARS-2 will become an unimportant virus in the coming years.

UPDATE: My critics complain that Delta has a different seasonality, so calendar-date comparisons are inappropriate. This was only an attempt to simplify. Compare mortality statistics however you want: They have, as a rule, not improved. My critics complain further that Israel’s unchanging case fatality rate is an outlier, and that the CFR is declining elsewhere. This is true! I only cited Israel to illustrate the shifting burden of mortality and hospitalisation to the unvaccinated. Official case fatality rates are obviously determined by local diagnostic policies and in themselves they mean almost nothing.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby stickdog99 » Sun Sep 05, 2021 5:31 pm

liminalOyster » 05 Sep 2021 03:20 wrote:Even as a very staunch defender of bodily autonomy and a very staunch antagonist of all forms of forced vaccination, I'd still feel pretty disingenuous to refuse to consider the terms of their argument. Which is mostly to say, without taking a stance on this statement itself, there's a worthy *discussion* here which stems from revisiting what body autonomy really is. From the standpoint of the virus being overblown, not real, easy treatments being suppressed by corporations at a widespread scale, however, there is not. So tabling all that which seems popular here, in an alternative hypothetical scenario where, for instance, groups of individuals were unaffected carriers of a pathogen which could easily kill another 10% of the population, the same arguments about body autonomy would seem more tantamount to half-baked social Darwinism. ala "sorry bro, you've got a weak immune system and I don't.".


Here's the bottom line to me. If our medical and political establishment is happy to fear monger the current "crisis" of a respiratory illness that 99.9% of healthy people recover from to usher in a Big Tech, Big Pharma, and Big Brother dystopia of forced vaccination with shitty, leaky experimental vaccines, how are we supposed to believe them when they tell us that a real health crisis is upon us and that they actually have developed a prophylactic whose cost and risk vs. benefit makes it truly worthy of a legal mandate?

So, in the end, just as in the abortion debate, the final arbiter of any individual's health interventions has to be that individual. A "scientific consensus" that claims that a specific medical intervention confers some sort of hypothetical, statistical societal advantage cannot override the fundamental medical principle of informed consent. When and if we can trust our corporate purchased medical establishment "consensus," then maybe we can revisit this. Until then, informed consent needs to rule the day and bullshit arguments that the state can constantly force risky medical interventions of people against their will "for the good of society" need to be rejected as the scary dystopic authoritarian justifications that they are. That's been my stance with vaccinations all along for exactly the same reasons. If the state can mandate medical interventions of any sort, then corporate capture of state regulatory agencies is worth countless billions to the corporations that have already captured our regulatory agencies for each further mandate. And that is exactly what we have already seen with our ever increasing childhood vaccination schedule. And the strategy of dismissing any argument that questions the special carve out that we have all granted to vaccines as "anti-vaxx" and thus unworthy of any consideration has worked about as well as the term "conspiracy theorist" worked to shut down obvious, legitimate questioning JFK's murder.

Furthermore, if unvaccinated people were actually dying in huge numbers while in contrast vaccinated individuals were being conferred huge measures of protection, 95%+ of people would naturally be lining up to get vaccinated. What makes this precedent so disturbing is that the current leaky vaccines don't even claim to stop the spread of COVID-19 but only to diminish the severity of its symptoms. If those in power feel that they can "justify mandates" for these vaccinations, what is to stop them from mandating whatever the hell medical intervention on whatever the hell "public health" grounds they please?
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby stickdog99 » Sun Sep 05, 2021 5:37 pm

DrEvil » 05 Sep 2021 21:15 wrote:
thrulookingglass » Sun Sep 05, 2021 7:08 pm wrote:"So lockdown laws are unjustifiable" merely opinion. Liberties are assumed not granted. I don't know what country you live in but here in America a minor inconvenience by ending public seating at restaurants, bars, less gatherings and sporting events were the incredible infringement on our feigned "liberties". Not warrantless wire taps, not an end to habeas corpus for "terror suspects", not no knock warrants, and not the use of torture as a means of reprisal that suspended our "liberties" but masks, vaccines and a shamefully perfidious president who fiddled while the world burnt. There are responsibilities here and they get more and more significant when we IGNORE them! WE SPREAD THIS FIRE OF EVIL UPON ONE ANOTHER! Slough off obligations to one another has left this world putrefied! And while you look to poke holes in other person's scientific investigations the world smolders just the same. The rise of the (brutal) nation-states as a force to spoil the souls of men with dreams of outlandish trinkets and perverse worship of violent rule is the grave we dig deeper every day. THEY'RE SPORTS TEAMS YOU FOOLS! Don the jersey of your favorite country. The virus of hatred and damnation towards our fellow human beings has NOT been addressed but prospers more and more each day!

There ARE masks that work but capitalist commerce is unwilling to produce them without PROFIT! The obscenity of money worship meanders on. And the masses can't have their imagined "inalienable rights" that slave owners spilled on parchment that exist only in their minds infringed upon. Take to the streets with rifles while the government reads every correspondence you send!

Only love heals. Compassion. Forbearance. Humility.

How long shall we steer this ship into a merciless storm and blame the raging waves we arrogantly plowed into for destroying our riggings?

"When life gets hard you have to change" - Shannon Hoon


You forgot one: the new abortion law in Texas (plus the other six states who think it's awesome and wants to replicate it). Bounties for snitching on pregnant women (and anyone who helps them) if they get an abortion after week six, with no exceptions for rape or incest, approved by the god damn supreme court, and not a peep from anyone here. I guess half the population of Texas losing their bodily autonomy is no big deal compared to the horror of having to wear a piece of cloth.

I wonder what the reaction would have been if there was a $10000 payout for snitching on the unvaccinated.


OK, but be consistent. If you think a women's right to reproductive autonomy is sacrosanct (as I do), then how can you feel that the state has the right to control individuals' circulatory, respiratory, and immune systems?

And all places of business that serve food or beverages in San Francisco have already been given the right to snoop into the personal medical histories of the unvaccinated and discriminate against them on the basis of what they find. When I was first "carded" for my vaccination status, I was informed by a helpful server that there was a state of California app set up where I could easily access my vaccination status by phone in order to gain entrance. The speed with which my fellow citizens have fully accepted this Orwellian state of affairs as nothing but a totally wonderful way to protect the deserving clean from the deplorable unclean is more than a bit alarming.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Harvey » Sun Sep 05, 2021 6:02 pm

thrulookingglass » Sun Sep 05, 2021 6:08 pm wrote:How long shall we steer this ship into a merciless storm and blame the raging waves we arrogantly plowed into for destroying our riggings?


"We" may be steering. But we, you and I and almost everyone else, we aren't steering a damn thing, we're being steered.

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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby drstrangelove » Mon Sep 06, 2021 1:08 am

thrulookingglass » Sun Sep 05, 2021 1:08 pm wrote:"So lockdown laws are unjustifiable" merely opinion. Liberties are assumed not granted. I don't know what country you live in but here in America a minor inconvenience by ending public seating at restaurants, bars, less gatherings and sporting events were the incredible infringement on our feigned "liberties". Not warrantless wire taps, not an end to habeas corpus for "terror suspects", not no knock warrants, and not the use of torture as a means of reprisal that suspended our "liberties" but masks, vaccines and a shamefully perfidious president who fiddled while the world burnt. There are responsibilities here and they get more and more significant when we IGNORE them! WE SPREAD THIS FIRE OF EVIL UPON ONE ANOTHER! Slough off obligations to one another has left this world putrefied! And while you look to poke holes in other person's scientific investigations the world smolders just the same. The rise of the (brutal) nation-states as a force to spoil the souls of men with dreams of outlandish trinkets and perverse worship of violent rule is the grave we dig deeper every day. THEY'RE SPORTS TEAMS YOU FOOLS! Don the jersey of your favorite country. The virus of hatred and damnation towards our fellow human beings has NOT been addressed but prospers more and more each day!

There ARE masks that work but capitalist commerce is unwilling to produce them without PROFIT! The obscenity of money worship meanders on. And the masses can't have their imagined "inalienable rights" that slave owners spilled on parchment that exist only in their minds infringed upon. Take to the streets with rifles while the government reads every correspondence you send!

Only love heals. Compassion. Forbearance. Humility.

How long shall we steer this ship into a merciless storm and blame the raging waves we arrogantly plowed into for destroying our riggings?

"When life gets hard you have to change" - Shannon Hoon

People don't have responsibilities to the state, that's social contract nonsense from Hobbes leviathan, which is just a modern interpretation of Plato's republic.

People have responsibilities to their community. And they only do so because they must, to meet their social needs, needs for security etc.

But most people in urban cities don't live in communities. They are socially naked individuals that don't understand what a community is, and have confused it for a political ideological grouping.

Frankly, and this is the true for everyone (in densely populated impersonal urban populations), although most wouldn't admit it, I don't give a fuck about the welfare of anonymous strangers that just happen co inhabit my environment. They also don't give a fuck about me. The economic system is designed to be competitive, they act that way towards me and I them. None of us will do anything for someone we don't know without being paid. Often, their success comes at my expense, for example when they are promoted, or their business is successful.

In fact, they are burden on my lifestyle. They cause traffic. They cause pollution. They compete with me for asset and income..

Now I'm not cynical, and I don't go out into the world and operate according to this reality. I don't hate or dislike strangers. I don't resent other people's success. But the idea that I am apart of something 'greater than myself' is laughable. The idea anyone is getting vaccinated for 'the greater good' is also laughable. We don't live in a cooperative society. Rural populations, or communities, what the Greeks called polis, which could never be more than around 2000 people, being the limit for knowing everyone through at least reputation, is the limit of community. Urban populations do not live in communities unless they are ethnic or religious. Upper classes have secret societies for this, like what the freemasons were, exclusive communities for the rich which had religious undertones.

I live in a city of over a million. I am a statistic. The state government cannot deal with me as an individual. This is the reality of the situation. And the greater good will not always be in my best interest. It may not even be for the greater good, but for the good of a small class of privileged persons.

So I have no responsibilities to anyone beyond my family and friendship circle. Though the state tries its best to destroy these as well.

When I say lockdowns are unjustified, it is not opinion. I live in Melbourne, the most lockdowns city in the world. The population ignores the rules. They ignore the rules because the government can no longer justify them. The police have literally stopped enforcing them because they can't, and when they try they fail, and it undermines their authority.

Liberties are real. You can literally do whatever you want. You have no responsibilities to anyone else other than the ones you exchange to fulfill human needs.

If the population you live amongst does not fulfill your human needs, you have no responsibilities to them. This is what modern urban governance doesn't understand. And why I'm not overly concerned about the lockdown laws, because I know they will fail.

When I visit family who believe lockdown rules keep them safe, I follow all the rules because I care about their sense of security. When I have to interact with strangers, tough shit, don't give a fuck what they think unless they can justify themselves.

Very simple. Three things to justify lockdown laws:

1. Define the precise risk of covid.
2. Demonstrate this risk is unacceptable relative to a precedent of risk we accept.
3. Demonstrate I pose this risk.

This of course doesn't apply to friends and family. I care about them, so am willingly to do things I don't believe in because I have a Cooperative relationship with them.

None of what I've just laid out is opinion. It is the reality of the situation. If the state wants to change this reality, then it must become nakedly authoritarian. And if it chooses to do this, more and more people will turn against it. Either way my side wins eventually. And I'm happy suffer for that.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

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There is a lot of powerful argument concerning present events being presented here, so everyone please stop with the Nazi holocaust comparisons, which are not about the present subject and do not belong in this thread or on this board, and also do not serve a productive purpose from the perspective of stopping measures like Covid passports, etc. This goes for everyone.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby drstrangelove » Tue Sep 07, 2021 4:02 am

So umm, in light of Nazi comparisons, I can't help but post the following article that literally just showed up in the Melbourne paper of record.

Now, don't take this out of context, because there is much more context. Also apologies to the mods, as I know this isn't helpful. But, without the context this is pretty hilarious, so I won't give it:

Police have blocked laneways around a Ripponlea synagogue, where more than 100 worshippers are marking Jewish New Year in what appears to be a breach of COVID-19 restrictions.

The Age has been told that members of the Orthodox Jewish congregation entered the synagogue about 5am Tuesday and are refusing to leave the Glen Eira Avenue building until nightfall.

Police officers have been in the area since early on Tuesday. Just before midday, they were joined by staff from the Department of Health.

A police source not authorised to speak publicly said a forced entry was unlikely, with officers expected to wait until worshippers leave the synagogue later on Tuesday before taking any potential action.

Police cars have blocked two lanes behind the Ripponlea synagogue, where the holy day known as Rosh Hashanah is being celebrated.

Observant Jews typically spend much of the day praying in synagogue on Rosh Hashanah, which is part of the religious calendar’s high holiday period.

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The gathering appears to be a breach of the state’s strict lockdown rules, although it remains unclear what enforcement action, if any, will be taken by police.

Josh Burns, the Labor member for Macnamara - a seat that takes in the suburb of Ripponlea - voiced his frustration about the gathering on Tuesday. Mr Burns said: “The public health rules apply to everyone and it is beyond frustrating to hear that a small group of people are continuing to act with disregard for the law.


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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby The Bernician » Wed Sep 08, 2021 1:16 am

Harvey » Wed Sep 01, 2021 2:27 pm wrote:The same Bernician who recently joined RI? If so, good luck with the case. It's the only argument I've heard which does not ignore the UK data from last year and which actually has an evidenced explanation for it: https://www.thebernician.net/notice-of- ... nt-policy/

The following Notice of Intended Private Criminal Prosecution for mass murder by UK Government policy is an amended version of the notice served upon the Secretary of State for the Department of Health and Social Care last week, which will also be served by email and registered post.




Not me, I'm afraid. One of those coincidences we're always hearing about, and funnily enough I stumbled upon him a few days after signing up here (though had used the name once before, many years ago). I guess he and I have a similar sentimentality about our homeland.

I binge-read the last 6 or 7 pages here last night, and, aside from the Nazi/not-Nazi sticking point, I really appreciate the quality of discussion here. For me, believing that this is all - perhaps ever has been - about virus control requires an act of immense faith in established power structures and institutions that clearly I and most (all?) here do not have. Unfortunately, the crucial liberal, Hampstead intellectual segment of society has an apparently-detached but ultimately deep faith of exactly that kind at the core of their being. Many on the actual left (and I recognise this tendency in myself) don't want to look over the abyss, but can't really say to themselves or others that 'it couldn't happen here', so the narrative of altruism is needed for them even more than for the Hampstead intellectuals, who are used to and comfortable with superficiality of belief. This is a long-winded way of saying that I value this discussion because it doesn't seem necessary to do that preamble every time, even if some posters find themselves (understandably) screaming 'just look at the fucking evidence!' from time to time.

Anyhow, there are a couple of specific things I'd like to reply to that hopefully flow from this general observation.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby The Bernician » Wed Sep 08, 2021 1:23 am

liminalOyster » Fri Sep 03, 2021 5:14 pm wrote:It seems to me that there's a huge gap between the very challenging task this board was created to undertake as I understand it - basically to go where no smart (wo)man has gone before and try to understand "how it all works" as Wombat once described it in a blog post - and many of the driving arguments behind much of what this thread proposes. IMO, and with real fondness for the folks here I disagree with most, it feels a bit like COVID is being taken as a premature final answer that aforementioned question once and for all. IMO, we ain't seen nothing yet.

COVID has left us all with an incomprehensibly massive surplus of suspicious lies, propaganda, corruption and harm to reorganize according to our own biases. I suspect anyone committed to their political view could use it similar to a lego set, at this point, to make the case-to-end-all-cases for why their view is right. Ruechel is no exception. His politics are spelled out and its very clear how they inform his own hot take. And to complicate matters, since the question of our own and others' mortality is involved, the discursive tenor is like a rocket gathering energy to launch.

There's probably a way to incorporate various wisdoms from many different and conflicting positions but noone seems to be doing that anymore (not just at RI but in the wild too). Nor do I claim I'm able to.

I do still like Jeff's tweets alot because they seem more focused on how this moment is the longitudinal *outcome* of decades of movement which is now becoming apparent. I fully agree we're fucked beyond repair and I agree with most but not quite all of his reasoning as it relates to COVID.

But I always come back to the felt sense that there's a curious lack of reverence for the natural world in theories which see a greater degree of human manipulation here than I do. And the fact that pandemics were direly predicted by public health specialists and peripheral disciplinary experts many years ago as a result of the same globalization, corporate consolidation/expansion, privatization and extractivism driving climate catastrophe. Arguably that's my own bias come into view.

So, you know - fuck it. Like I don't care enough to argue here with people I like. That liking is more important than this maelstrom.

I don't have a grand point or conclusion other than an anecdote. I got an email from my bank yesterday. The subject line was "We value your insights." And I had a flash of the dystopian insanity I'm used to - we've invented machines to tell us lies. When you really think about it, how weird is that? It's like we've automated and externalized even psychological denial at this point. Can you imagine where we'll be in like 10 years? Or maybe we already are. If I had an insight at all, I just fed it into the machine right here, didn't I? Oh well.

Peace out.


I feel this strongly, too. It feels like the proverbial end of the beginning right now, and here in the UK we are very much in the eye of the storm. Life feels normal, more or less, and one can currently make a decision to ignore all the various fragments of covidism that linger. But that - to me - also feels ominous, because I know (I intuit, so to say) that this is not a permanent delivery from the clutches of... whatever we want to call this. And of course this intuition is supported by the very statements of our political leaders, who continue in the 'float, deny, implement' cycle of new policies. Vaccine passports were 'reconfirmed' for the end of the month a couple of days ago, and the front pages were full of the death of some B-list celebrity. This is how our democracy dies.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby The Bernician » Wed Sep 08, 2021 1:39 am

drstrangelove » Mon Sep 06, 2021 6:08 am wrote:
thrulookingglass » Sun Sep 05, 2021 1:08 pm wrote:"So lockdown laws are unjustifiable" merely opinion. Liberties are assumed not granted. I don't know what country you live in but here in America a minor inconvenience by ending public seating at restaurants, bars, less gatherings and sporting events were the incredible infringement on our feigned "liberties". Not warrantless wire taps, not an end to habeas corpus for "terror suspects", not no knock warrants, and not the use of torture as a means of reprisal that suspended our "liberties" but masks, vaccines and a shamefully perfidious president who fiddled while the world burnt. There are responsibilities here and they get more and more significant when we IGNORE them! WE SPREAD THIS FIRE OF EVIL UPON ONE ANOTHER! Slough off obligations to one another has left this world putrefied! And while you look to poke holes in other person's scientific investigations the world smolders just the same. The rise of the (brutal) nation-states as a force to spoil the souls of men with dreams of outlandish trinkets and perverse worship of violent rule is the grave we dig deeper every day. THEY'RE SPORTS TEAMS YOU FOOLS! Don the jersey of your favorite country. The virus of hatred and damnation towards our fellow human beings has NOT been addressed but prospers more and more each day!

There ARE masks that work but capitalist commerce is unwilling to produce them without PROFIT! The obscenity of money worship meanders on. And the masses can't have their imagined "inalienable rights" that slave owners spilled on parchment that exist only in their minds infringed upon. Take to the streets with rifles while the government reads every correspondence you send!

Only love heals. Compassion. Forbearance. Humility.

How long shall we steer this ship into a merciless storm and blame the raging waves we arrogantly plowed into for destroying our riggings?

"When life gets hard you have to change" - Shannon Hoon

People don't have responsibilities to the state, that's social contract nonsense from Hobbes leviathan, which is just a modern interpretation of Plato's republic.

People have responsibilities to their community. And they only do so because they must, to meet their social needs, needs for security etc.

But most people in urban cities don't live in communities. They are socially naked individuals that don't understand what a community is, and have confused it for a political ideological grouping.

Frankly, and this is the true for everyone (in densely populated impersonal urban populations), although most wouldn't admit it, I don't give a fuck about the welfare of anonymous strangers that just happen co inhabit my environment. They also don't give a fuck about me. The economic system is designed to be competitive, they act that way towards me and I them. None of us will do anything for someone we don't know without being paid. Often, their success comes at my expense, for example when they are promoted, or their business is successful.

In fact, they are burden on my lifestyle. They cause traffic. They cause pollution. They compete with me for asset and income..

Now I'm not cynical, and I don't go out into the world and operate according to this reality. I don't hate or dislike strangers. I don't resent other people's success. But the idea that I am apart of something 'greater than myself' is laughable. The idea anyone is getting vaccinated for 'the greater good' is also laughable. We don't live in a cooperative society. Rural populations, or communities, what the Greeks called polis, which could never be more than around 2000 people, being the limit for knowing everyone through at least reputation, is the limit of community. Urban populations do not live in communities unless they are ethnic or religious. Upper classes have secret societies for this, like what the freemasons were, exclusive communities for the rich which had religious undertones.

I live in a city of over a million. I am a statistic. The state government cannot deal with me as an individual. This is the reality of the situation. And the greater good will not always be in my best interest. It may not even be for the greater good, but for the good of a small class of privileged persons.

So I have no responsibilities to anyone beyond my family and friendship circle. Though the state tries its best to destroy these as well.

When I say lockdowns are unjustified, it is not opinion. I live in Melbourne, the most lockdowns city in the world. The population ignores the rules. They ignore the rules because the government can no longer justify them. The police have literally stopped enforcing them because they can't, and when they try they fail, and it undermines their authority.

Liberties are real. You can literally do whatever you want. You have no responsibilities to anyone else other than the ones you exchange to fulfill human needs.

If the population you live amongst does not fulfill your human needs, you have no responsibilities to them. This is what modern urban governance doesn't understand. And why I'm not overly concerned about the lockdown laws, because I know they will fail.

When I visit family who believe lockdown rules keep them safe, I follow all the rules because I care about their sense of security. When I have to interact with strangers, tough shit, don't give a fuck what they think unless they can justify themselves.

Very simple. Three things to justify lockdown laws:

1. Define the precise risk of covid.
2. Demonstrate this risk is unacceptable relative to a precedent of risk we accept.
3. Demonstrate I pose this risk.

This of course doesn't apply to friends and family. I care about them, so am willingly to do things I don't believe in because I have a Cooperative relationship with them.

None of what I've just laid out is opinion. It is the reality of the situation. If the state wants to change this reality, then it must become nakedly authoritarian. And if it chooses to do this, more and more people will turn against it. Either way my side wins eventually. And I'm happy suffer for that.


I guess I have a bit of that hero-searching tendency in me, but notwithstanding that, I feel like you're really nailing a lot of things at the moment. The above in particular (hence the quoting), but I've also found your reportage on things in Australia really valuable. We are essentially in a media blackout, and there are very few sources one can trust. Among my other tendencies is towards the single-explanation-theory, and so I'd like to think I'm being suitably cautious when I conclude that a global conspiracy of some kind seems the likeliest explanation at this point - the one, ironically, that requires fewest leaps of faith and the least filling in of gaps.

I say that because, to follow on from my brief comment on the unreality of normality here at the moment, it's a bit strange noting from the various fragments I've been able to pick up (from personal contacts and other sources that I find myself inclined to trust, for example you) how vast is the variation of extremity of approach. Why are we in the UK currently being spared, but the French and Italians are being goaded into protest? I'm pretty confident in asserting that vax passports will be accepted here without a whimper when they come in, and our democratic structures and constitution are so utterly porous as to boil down to 'traditions' that can be (and increasingly have been) disregarded at will. So wouldn't it be easier to start somewhere like here? (It seems they're doing the same in Germany.) I'm left therefore assuming that protest is what is wanted: if they can break the French, they can break the rest of Europe. In the UK right now, we're essentially allowed to sign up (or not) to most of 'the measures', most visibly masks. Usage of the latter roughly halved overnight, and has been on a steady downward curve since. It's easy enough, then, to split the population into groups: the fearful - masks outside (never mandated here); the ideologically compliant (masks indoors, especially where businesses specifically ask for them); the legally compliant - those whose mask use has withered away with the legal mandate; the sceptical - those who weren't wearing masks anyway (all you need to do is say 'I'm exempt' when challenged). This categorisation seems to me to be the most obvious purpose of this experiment, alongside the question of how far authoritarianism can be outsourced to the private sector and its individual employees, to which my answer is 'less than I'd have expected - so far'. (I glance back over this paragraph and notice the conspiracy theorist's loose use of 'they'. So be it.)

It sounds like Australia has been chosen for the most extreme (or, more likely, most accelerated) version of all of this. Do you have any thoughts on why that might be?
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby The Bernician » Wed Sep 08, 2021 1:57 am

Belligerent Savant » Thu Sep 02, 2021 3:15 am wrote:
Harvey » Wed Sep 01, 2021 8:27 am wrote:The same Bernician who recently joined RI? If so, good luck with the case. It's the only argument I've heard which does not ignore the UK data from last year and which actually has an evidenced explanation for it: https://www.thebernician.net/notice-of- ... nt-policy/

The following Notice of Intended Private Criminal Prosecution for mass murder by UK Government policy is an amended version of the notice served upon the Secretary of State for the Department of Health and Social Care last week, which will also be served by email and registered post.





Yes, if indeed this is the same RI Bernician, would be great to see him chime on on this, here.

Some damning content, to be sure. A fair amount of this was shared here before, but this consolidates and summarizes key data points in ways I haven't yet seen elsewhere. I was not previously aware of the administration/usage of Midazolam.

Pasted a portion below but this forum sucks at retaining bulleted numbers/formatting.

Reading this content -- and other related content over the last few months, as well as observing the aggressive, practically fanatical and brazen authoritarian measures being pushed across populations -- it strikes me on occasion to wonder if they know something we don't, such as a near-term catastrophe on the horizon. At least it'd provide some measure of logic behind activities over the past ~year. WTF is going on, and why? We know there are greedy, power-hungry fucks at the top, but this is clearly uncharted territory. I can think of no other time in modern history where events like this unfolded within a relatively short timeframe, globally.

Perhaps it's an elite level temporary psychosis event: they realized how successful the fear tactics worked and they've become addicted to the swift accumulation of authoritarian rule.

I don't think it's that simple, however. This is not mere 'ineptitude'/submission to elite-level id at work here.

Time will tell, though perhaps not as soon as we'd hope.


NOTICE OF INTENDED PRIVATE CRIMINAL PROSECUTION
MASS MURDER BY GOVERNMENT POLICY

According to the World Health Organisation (WHO), “Coronavirus disease (COVID-19) is an infectious disease caused by a newly discovered coronavirus”. However, the genome sequence for SARS-COV-2, released in January 2020, proved that the test to identify its presence was created in the absence of virus samples1. We therefore contend that no virus isolate of SARS COV 2 exists, and that a disease called Covid 19 has not caused excess deaths in the UK.

Our assertion is supported by public documents confirming that no pure isolate of the virus exists2. Furthermore, publicly available death data proves that the so called “first wave of COVID”, and excess deaths in England, only occurred ONCE the pandemic was announced and lockdowns commenced on 23/03/2020, and that a “virus” which was not a HCID, may have been in circulation as early as October 2019.3

On 3rd March 2020, the UK Government scientific advisor echoed the Prime Minister, when he said: “Let me be absolutely clear that for the overwhelming majority of people who contract the “virus”, this will be a mild disease from which they will speedily and fully recover as we’ve already seen”. In line with this, on 13/03/2020, the threat from the virus was officially downgraded from a HCID to a NOID by the Advisory Committee on Dangerous Pathogens [ACDP].4.

However, this decision to downgrade from HCID to NOID was highly controversial because of the WHO’s declaration of a worldwide High Consequence Infectious Disease [HCID] two days previously on 11/03/2020, upon the advice of Neil Ferguson of Imperial College. In other words, the downgrading is an implicit contradiction of Ferguson’s triggering of a worldwide health emergency.

Remarkably, following the private announcement of the downgrading on 13th March 2020, and the subsequent public announcement of the downgrading on 19/03/2020, there appears to have been a premeditated decision to use this unproven ‘pandemic’ as justification to impose measures and medication which went on to kill people. This was in turn used to justify the lockdown measures, which themselves were one of the driving forces of the deaths they claimed to be trying to avoid. This premeditation to cause deaths of course amounts to mass murder by government policy.

There is support for this argument when we look at government policy decisions, which simply put, make no sense. On 17/03/2020, 4 days after the private downgrading mentioned above, the NHS wrote to all hospitals asking them to free-up the maximum possible number of beds by urgently discharging any patients they could.1

Many of these patients were discharged to care homes, some of which were given ultimatums forcing them to take more patients than they were equipped to provide care for. In addition, the NHS cancelled all ‘non-urgent’ treatments.

Why was this policy invented at all given scientific advice on 03/03/2020, and why was it not reversed, given the downgrading on 13/03/2020 by the Advisory Committee on Dangerous Pathogens?

It is our contention that the excess deaths in the first wave occurred AS A RESULT of the relentless implementation of this policy, which was coupled with the inappropriate use of respiratory depressing medications such as Midazolam during the same period. This is how the excess deaths occurred. They were NOT because of a novel virus, isolation of which, according to long held standards, has never occurred.

Our extrapolated data on community Midazolam prescribing supports the above allegation, along with the data on how and where deaths during this time period occurred.

Following the letter of 17/03/2020 from the NHS, bed occupancy in England reduced from the usual 90% to an average of 63% in the spring quarter of 2020. In addition, there was no influx of ‘large numbers of inpatients requiring respiratory support’. Accident and emergency (A&E) departments saw a huge decrease in attendances and overall admitted patient care decreased significantly during the same period.

Of those patients who were admitted to hospital and residents who were discharged to care homes, the outcomes can only be described as devastating. We assert that those outcomes were engineered. When we look at mortality, figures show that hospital and care home death ratios increased during the “first wave” lockdown period2.

Shockingly, 91% of “with COVID” deaths during the first lockdown were of people with any sort of disability3. It is impossible for a ‘virus’ to discriminate in such a manner, and therefore we contend these deaths must have been as a result of very nefarious policies. These policies were blanket DNRs and mandatory prescribed medications, two factors which have contributed to most other “non disability” deaths during the first lockdown period.

Data proves that up to 13/05/2020, deaths in care homes from all causes were 159% higher than at the start of “the COVID-19 outbreak”4. In April 2020, the ratio of excess deaths in English care homes was almost three times that of the prior five years’ average. It is not a mere coincidence that during the same month, prescribing of Midazolam increased by more than 100%5. There is a clear correlation between policy, prescribing of Midazolam and deaths, which simply cannot be overlooked.

Further,more during the period 2 March to 12 June 2020, 18,562 residents of care homes in England died, supposedly “with COVID-19”, including 18,168 people aged 65 and over. This represented almost 40% of all deaths involving “COVID-19” in England during this period 6

In addition to the above, during the first lockdown there was an unbelievable policy change in care homes7. The change restricted access for residents’ families. This removed crucial oversight of treatment along with safeguards. Also, support services such as SALT, chiropody, physiotherapy and in house GP visits, were removed.

Simply put, care homes were turned into death camps and their inmates were targeted for elimination. Staffing levels dropped due to a policy of self-isolation for anything akin to a sniffle, and this further pressured care homes who then had a ratio of staff to patients that was unworkable.

We contend this was not an accident, and instead was done by design. Only a fool, or perhaps a madman, would implement such policies and not realise the inevitable consequences. Only a fool or a madman would say they were necessary after the down grading of Covid 19 from an HCID to a NOID on 13/03/2020.

As we have already stated, we assert that the above were premeditated policies, to cause excess deaths in care homes (as well as in the community generally). It is without doubt that family surveillance in care homes, at a time when staff limits were stretched, could have stopped avoidable deaths. Furthermore, had support services been available, we very much doubt that the over prescribing of respiratory depressing medication would have been either necessary, or allowed to transpire.

Bizarrely, in addition to the above, all official inspections were suspended during the first lockdown, leading to less and less oversight. Very worryingly, the use of blanket DNRs,8 (now acknowledged as a fact by Matt Hancock), as well as do not admit to hospital orders, were imposed, and undoubtedly led to countless avoidable deaths.

Lockdown restrictions eased at the start of June 2020 and up to the start of the second national lockdown, there was NEGATIVE excess deaths in care homes (a ratio of 0.96 versus expected levels). This fall in deaths occurred in the absence of any ‘vaccines’ or alternative treatment for so called Covid 19.

We therefore contend that the initial wave of deaths during the first lockdown were driven by policy decisions by this government and Midazolam prescribing. These deaths were in fact accelerated deaths, rather than excess deaths, and these accelerated deaths were created for political and policy gain, to feed a narrative of a deadly pandemic which simply did not, and still does not, exist.

Jay Bhattacharya, a Stanford professor, has labelled lockdowns “the single biggest public health mistake in history”9. 95% of hospital COVID-labelled deaths occurred DURING lockdown. How is this possible if lockdowns save lives?
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We contend that lockdowns kill, but moreover that they are designed to do so. However, lockdowns alone do not provide the significant number of deaths needed to create the illusion of a pandemic. This is the primary reason we have looked at Midazolam prescribing during this period.

It is a well-known fact that Midazolam is a respiratory depressing drug1. It creates the very respiratory symptoms of so called “COVID-19”. Used in copious amounts in conjunction with lockdowns, Midazolam led to premature deaths. The data we have extrapolated on community Midazolam prescribing supports this, along with the pertinent observations above, about where and how accelerated deaths occurred.

Given our assertions that government policy and Midazolam prescribing have caused accelerated deaths, and our assertion that this was designed and premeditated by certain individuals within and advising this government, we have some questions that we wish to put to you.

Our allegations described above are of the most serious kind. In the absence of satisfactory answers from you to our questions and given the supporting evidence we are presenting with this notice, we wish to make clear that we will assume you cannot prove beyond reasonable doubt, that what we have asserted about a government premeditated policy of mass murder is false.

Let us be clear, this is your chance to answer the questions posed and give proof that our allegations and assertions are wrong. If you can do that by bringing evidence to the contrary of ours, we will accept that we have perhaps misinterpreted our evidence, albeit in good faith.

However, you will need to produce sufficient material evidence to rebut our allegations, and in the absence of the same, we will pursue a Private Criminal Prosecution based on the statements made herein.

Of the 50,335 deaths which occurred in March to June 2020 involving COVID-19 in England and Wales, 45,859 (91.1%) had at least one pre-existing condition, while 4,476 (8.9%) had none. It is for those people and their families that we so urgently seek a just outcome in this the most serious type of criminal proceedings imaginable.

Questions About Allegedly Murderous UK Government Policy

How much 1mg 5ml Midazolam Hydrochloride ampules were used in England between March and May 2020?

Of 1mg in 5ml Midazolam Hydrochloride ampules used between March and May 2020, where were they prescribed, and in what proportion, i.e. what went into the community, and what went into hospitals?

What was the UK stock of 1mg 5ml Midazolam Hydrochloride ampules held for the months October 2019, November 2019, December 2019, January 2020 and February 2020?

How much 1mg 5ml Midazolam Hydrochloride ampules were left in the UK in October 2020?

What was the UK stock of 10mg 2ml Midazolam in the months October 2019, November 2019, December 2019, January 2020 and February 2020?

How much 10mg 2ml Midazolam Hydrochloride ampules were left in the UK in October 2020?

Who ordered the 22,000 extra packs in May 2020? Was it the DHSC, and if so, which minister signed off the order? If it was not the DHSC please specify who it was?

What was the cost of the order of the 22,000 packs?

Moving on to the Health and Social Care Committee. Oral evidence: Preparations for Coronavirus, HC 36, Friday 17/04/2020, ordered by the House of Commons to be published on 17/04/2020, what does Dr Luke Evans mean when he says, “a good death”?

Does he mean euthanasia, which this term commonly refers to?

Assuming he does mean this, why did Dr Luke Evans openly discuss government policy of causing “a good death” by administering fatal dose of drugs like Midazolam and Morphine, via hypodermic syringes, when to do so is tantamount to an implicit confession of mass murder by policy?

Euthanasia and assisted suicide are both illegal under English Law. Assisted suicide is illegal under the terms of the Suicide Act (1961) and punishable by up to 14 years’ imprisonment. Depending on the circumstances, euthanasia is regarded as either manslaughter or murder.

Are Dr Luke Evans’ remarks a result of the Confidential Pandemic Influenza (CPI) briefing paper dated 08/09/2017, which states, and we quote: “There is significant discussion in the paper about ceasing or changing care to patients in the HRG categories; however a decision may more appropriately be taken to treat patients in the listed HRG groups rather than influenza patients, dependent upon likelihood of survival……… Total excess death rate would be in excess of 7,806 per week of the peak of the pandemic if all these services were stopped. So, in the peak six weeks of a pandemic (recognising the typical profile of increasing and decreasing case numbers either side of the peak weeks), 46,836 excess deaths could be expected. On the one hand, this is likely to be an underestimate as it only considers the top 14 HRG codes and it does not consider additional deaths occurring particularly in the elderly and frail across primary care where HRGs are not coded.”

Give the CPI and Dr Luke Evans’ remarks, is there a culture within government, Public Health England and indeed the NHS to enact the supposedly defunct Liverpool Care Pathway, to end lives at the behest of the treating doctor, which of course is illegal as described above?

If the answer is “no”, can you please explain why the NHS drew up the CPI and included within it plans to withdraw hospital care from people in nursing homes in the event of a pandemic, which also included refusal to treat those in their 70s and instead offer “support” to use so-called “end of life pathways”.

The CPI states that the Health Secretary (at the time) could authorize medics to prioritize some patients over others and even stop providing critical care altogether. Was such a decision taken by the Health Secretary at the time, (Matt Hancock), in relation to care home, hospital and community residents over a certain age?

Government ministers have repeatedly insisted that care homes were not abandoned by the NHS during the coronavirus crisis, despite more than 42,000 residents in England and Wales dying during the “pandemic”. Given this, what is your proof that this was not because of decisions made by the DHSC, and/or PHE and NHS chiefs, which then resulted in thousands of needless deaths?

Care homes were asked by NHS managers and GPs to place DNR’s on all residents at the height of the “pandemic” to keep hospital beds free – in breach of guideline 3. Blanket DNR’s were also imposed on people with learning disabilities “who were not near the end of their lives”, showing a concerning disregard for disabled people. Who made the decision to ask care homes to do this, and were these decisions taken because of the CPI?

In making his remarks at the Health and Social Care Committee, Oral evidence: Preparations for Coronavirus, HC 36, Friday 17 April 2020, why did Dr Evans and indeed all those present, completely ignore the declassification of COVID-19 from an HCID to a NOID on 13/03/2020, meaning that such nefarious measures as those mentioned in the CPI were never necessary?

Moving on, we attach a selection of graphs regarding the prescribing of 10mg 2ml Midazolam hydrochloride ampules for various years and months. Can you please explain why the enormous increase in Midazolam prescriptions for 10mg 2ml Midazolam hydrochloride ampules coincide with implementation of the UK Government’s COVID-19 Battle-plan in March 2020?

How much 10mg 2ml Midazolam hydrochloride ampules, were held in the UK in January 2020, and what wholesalers held them? How does the DHSC, PHE and the NHS keep track of what stock it has of 10mg 2ml Midazolam hydrochloride ampules, and indeed all other Midazolam products?
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The bolded has been exercising me for a while, too. The easy answer is that everything has to happen sometimes, and the unsustainable cannot be sustained, but it doesn't necessarily feel that way until it - whatever it may be - actually happens. There are plenty of good reasons for trying to make parallels between the 1920s and 1930s and roughly 2007 onwards, but what I for one have to keep reminding myself is that what looks now like one sweep of history will not have felt that way at the time.

I read this yesterday, and am really interested in hearing others' takes. It has a plausible answer to the 'why now?' question - essentially, impending economic collapse - that chimes with my leading theory on roughly what is happening, namely that the incompatibility of democracy with capitalism is coming to a head. I recently read Wolfgang Streeck's 'Buying Time', and, though published in 2013, it gives a pretty convincing account of how that moment of reckoning has been delayed since the late-1960s (when capital started to unwind the accommodation it had been forced to make in the post-war years), and how it didn't seem like there were any new ways of delaying it further. What he was seeing then was a gradual move into a technocratic replacement for democracy (with global capital pulling the strings behind the curtain, with less risk of democracy accidentally seeping in), but if that wasn't happening fast enough...

http://thephilosophicalsalon.com/a-self-fulfilling-prophecy-systemic-collapse-and-pandemic-simulation/
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Postby drstrangelove » Wed Sep 08, 2021 3:03 am

It's quite easy to normalise 'global conspiracy' because political groupings have been continental blocs since WW2. The idea of the nation state died with that war, and we entered a period of coalition crafting - which is the EU, the Anglo-american alliance etc.

These continental blocs operate through foreign policy institutes, like the council on foreign relations, bilderberg group etc.

So it's easy to convince anyone this is a global conspiracy' so long as you don't use the word conspiracy, which shouldn't really be used because these people are literally above the law, and at the highest tier are concerned with civilizational cycles, specifically, trying to avoid as best one can elongated periods of decay or decline. This is why the British gave control of western civilization over to the Americans, because the Americans are now having to deal with all the problems faced by the Romans at the end of their expansion.

In regards to Australia, it must be noted that what has happened to this point, is mostly theoretical. By that I mean, the laws being passed have not been accepted, so far as the public can ignore them. This isn't to say the videos you see of police interactions here aren't real, or concerning, but they usually concern people who activity challenge police authority, or flaunt the rules in front of cops in the hope of filming a confrontation. Which they should be doing, because it puts pressure on the police and turns people against them. So even though I support this behaviour, it's not reflective of the reality. Which is, at this point, you can just ignore the rules and the cops won't bother you so long as you don't actively attempt to undermine their authority. The police unions have even made statement s against lockdown laws, which is hilarious, because the state obviously doesn't want to pay the police for a police state.

Geographically Australia is unique, in that we are culturally western civ but isolated and fall into what is becoming China's sphere of influence. So it may have something to do with Australia needing to become more congruent with a more authoritarian eastern outlook. Or maybe they want the population more rigidly organised should conflict break out. On the most recent census they asked a question of every citizen whether they had any military service experience. Which was a pretty big red flag.

We also have no real cultural heritage in Australia, and very young institutions that are easily controlled remotely through the same aforementioned foreign policy institutes and our intelligence alliance called five eyes with the US and Commonwealth. In 1974 our prime minister was outed by the British and Americans through the CIA because he tried to nationalise our mining sector. They called it a constitutional crises to keep the idea of democracy alive and well.

We are also probably more pliant. As in, the French have that cultural history of mass protest, well, Australia has never really experienced political adversity. Most don't even understand that a protest isn't something the government approves. It's funny, people complaining about unapproved protests, or going to protests that have been approved by the government thinking they are protesting something.

Isn't strange that somehow all g20 nations can roll out vaccine passports no one voted for, there are mass protests against, yet go ahead anyhow. Clearly there is global coordination. It's information authorities. I write about these info authorities on my site below if you are interested.
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