Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

[Harvey]

Meeting with the general public (Rome), International COVID summit


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IQAeguvHFM8

The International Covid Summit is a bogus organization formed by tort lawyers looking to sue the vaccine manufacturers and several governments.

You are a


Large scale Mass Formation
https://www.alleydog.com/glossary/defin ... Psychology

We had a pint at the only table with empty chairs at a pub in Edinburgh last weekend. We got chatting with the couple already seated there as the man in his sixties was railing against the stupidity of people generally. I pointed out the industry dedicated to creating their pleasure and pain, thoughts and opinions, passions and outrage. I pointed out that according to the global PR industry itself (up until 2018/19) it was well on track to be netting $600 billion annually, a Global Industrial Reality.

As I deployed my arguments, his wife (sociology professor) vigorously agreed and eventually tha man did modify his position. At the end he ruefully confessed that he is himself a psychologist and that the majority of his classmates from the sixties ended up working in Marketing and Public Relations. I had to laugh.

[Belligerent Savant]

What exactly is it about these vaccines that make so many so fucking intent on forcing them on everyone? Is there something in the mRNA that turns people into indictive tribalist asshole corporate totalitarians?

Oh, quit playing stupid. If one accepts that the vaccine is safe and effective (which I understand you do not), then it means there are a ton of assholes out there refusing to take a safe and effective medical remedy that could neutralize the virus that has been screwing up life for everyone for one and a half years, while those same assholes are actively discouraging people from taking the remedy based mostly on youtube videos from pro-Trump "the election was stolen" idiots and then blaming the precaution-taking people for the reason life still isn't back to normal.

You may not agree with it, but it is extremely disingenuous for anyone here to pretend they can't understand it.

What else can this be called but an egregiously stupid and lazy take?

First off, i interpreted Stickdog's rhetorical question as one directed largely on govts/bureaucracies, ("forcing them on everyone"), and also NOT specifically directed towards the U.S. (indeed, he was replying to comments from drstrangelove, who was referring to his home country of Australia), so your reference to Trump and/or 'Trumptards' is both obtuse and insular.

It's also comically myopic.

These shots are not 'safe and effective' in all instances. They don't curb spread. They don't prevent anyone from catching it. So the justification for FORCING it is non-existent. No one should be forced to take these shots under any conditions.

Not to mention the most glaring omission in all this stupid mindset you convey here: there are demonstrably effective treatments -- other than these goddamned shots -- that have been actively suppressed (criminal acts on their own, as these suppression tactics have absolutely cost many lives/livelihoods). These faulty/leaky vaccines are far from the lone option available for treatment, and almost all of these alternative treatments are less harmful, both in the short and long term (no one right now even knows the potential long-term harms of these shots).

Amazing, almost 2 years into this, we have to read insipid shit like this here.

If you had any self-awareness you'd cut yourself off, in shame, from typing such nonsense.

Instead, i'll commit the act on myself on your behalf.

Time off for the stupidity of others.


(In the event your response was intended as your interpretation of what a typical 'anti covid vaxxer' thinks rather than what you yourself may think, all of the above applies regardless)

[Grizzly]

Conspiracy theory....
https://mobile.twitter.com/kukicat7/status/1443906221535338502?s=21


"This explains so much."

[Harvey]

^ Nice to see one of the fuckers going down in flames. Which cheers me up immensely because it means the house of cards is falling. Thanks Griz.

[Harvey]

What exactly is it about these vaccines that make so many so fucking intent on forcing them on everyone? Is there something in the mRNA that turns people into indictive tribalist asshole corporate totalitarians?

Oh, quit playing stupid. If one accepts that the vaccine is safe and effective (which I understand you do not), then it means there are a ton of assholes out there refusing to take a safe and effective medical remedy that could neutralize the virus that has been screwing up life for everyone for one and a half years, while those same assholes are actively discouraging people from taking the remedy based mostly on youtube videos from pro-Trump "the election was stolen" idiots and then blaming the precaution-taking people for the reason life still isn't back to normal.

You may not agree with it, but it is extremely disingenuous for anyone here to pretend they can't understand it.

What else can this be called but an egregiously stupid and lazy take?

First off, i interpreted Stickdog's rhetorical question as one directed largely on govts/bureaucracies, ("forcing them on everyone"), and also NOT specifically directed towards the U.S. (indeed, he was replying to comments from drstrangelove, who was referring to his home country of Australia), so your reference to Trump and/or 'Trumptards' is both obtuse and insular.

It's also comically myopic.

These shots are not 'safe and effective' in all instances. They don't curb spread. They don't prevent anyone from catching it. So the justification for FORCING it is non-existent. No one should be forced to take these shots under any conditions.

Not to mention the most glaring omission in all this stupid mindset you convey here: there are demonstrably effective treatments -- other than these goddamned shots -- that have been actively suppressed (criminal acts on their own, as these suppression tactics have absolutely cost many lives/livelihoods). These faulty/leaky vaccines are far from the lone option available for treatment, and almost all of these alternative treatments are less harmful, both in the short and long term (no one right now even knows the potential long-term harms of these shots).

Amazing, almost 2 years into this, we have to read insipid shit like this here.

If you had any self-awareness you'd cut yourself off, in shame, from typing such nonsense.

Instead, i'll commit the act on myself on your behalf.

Time off for the stupidity of others.


(In the event your response was intended as your interpretation of what a typical 'anti covid vaxxer' thinks rather than what you yourself may think, all of the above applies regardless)

@mentalgongfu: Either you take one of the vaccines and accept that your beliefs should not require others to take them if they are safe and effective or you accept that the so called vaccines do not in fact confer immunity and are neither safe nor effective and by tacitly approving of forced vaccination you are now a representative of all the horror you claim to be against, an accidental totalitarian if you like. Either way mentalgongfu, you've become completely deranged and completely devoid of reason.

Or you always were.

[drstrangelove]

That Aussie premiere who was forced to resign is the one that said she would do away with vaccine passports by Dec 1st. Not defending her, but compared to all other state leaders in Australia, she has been the only one to somewhat challenge what the chief health officers of her state were telling her to do .

[Harvey]

That Aussie premiere who was forced to resign is the one that said she would do away with vaccine passports by Dec 1st. Not defending her, but compared to all other state leaders in Australia, she has been the only one to somewhat challenge what the chief health officers of her state were telling her to do .

While I accept that she may have been removed for reasons other than her own corruption, did she actually challenge anything or merely say that that she intended to?

[DrEvil]

What exactly is it about these vaccines that make so many so fucking intent on forcing them on everyone? Is there something in the mRNA that turns people into indictive tribalist asshole corporate totalitarians?

Oh, quit playing stupid. If one accepts that the vaccine is safe and effective (which I understand you do not), then it means there are a ton of assholes out there refusing to take a safe and effective medical remedy that could neutralize the virus that has been screwing up life for everyone for one and a half years, while those same assholes are actively discouraging people from taking the remedy based mostly on youtube videos from pro-Trump "the election was stolen" idiots and then blaming the precaution-taking people for the reason life still isn't back to normal.

You may not agree with it, but it is extremely disingenuous for anyone here to pretend they can't understand it.

What else can this be called but an egregiously stupid and lazy take?

First off, i interpreted Stickdog's rhetorical question as one directed largely on govts/bureaucracies, ("forcing them on everyone"), and also NOT specifically directed towards the U.S. (indeed, he was replying to comments from drstrangelove, who was referring to his home country of Australia), so your reference to Trump and/or 'Trumptards' is both obtuse and insular.

It's also comically myopic.

These shots are not 'safe and effective' in all instances. They don't curb spread. They don't prevent anyone from catching it. So the justification for FORCING it is non-existent. No one should be forced to take these shots under any conditions.

Not to mention the most glaring omission in all this stupid mindset you convey here: there are demonstrably effective treatments -- other than these goddamned shots -- that have been actively suppressed (criminal acts on their own, as these suppression tactics have absolutely cost many lives/livelihoods). These faulty/leaky vaccines are far from the lone option available for treatment, and almost all of these alternative treatments are less harmful, both in the short and long term (no one right now even knows the potential long-term harms of these shots).

Amazing, almost 2 years into this, we have to read insipid shit like this here.

If you had any self-awareness you'd cut yourself off, in shame, from typing such nonsense.

Instead, i'll commit the act on myself on your behalf.

Time off for the stupidity of others.


(In the event your response was intended as your interpretation of what a typical 'anti covid vaxxer' thinks rather than what you yourself may think, all of the above applies regardless)

How is that a stupid or lazy take? Whether you like it or not, the majority of people think you're the crazy one. The mainstream narrative isn't exactly a secret: get vaccinated so we can get a handle on the pandemic. If you start from that viewpoint it's perfectly logical that they would want as many as possible vaccinated. Pretending that it's some big mystery why they're pushing vaccines is the stupid and lazy take.

Also, people are freaking out about the mRNA vaccines and their potential long-term effects, but I never see them freak out about the RNA virus causing this pandemic and its potential long-term effects.

Incidence, co-occurrence, and evolution of long-COVID features: A 6-month retrospective cohort study of 273,618 survivors of COVID-19
https://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/ ... 03773.s003

Symptoms and Health Outcomes Among Survivors of COVID-19 Infection 1 Year After Discharge From Hospitals in Wuhan, China
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamane ... le/2784558

[Laodicean]

like it or not, the majority of people think you're the crazy one.

[stickdog99]

Worth watching for those who will be getting booster shots, or those who have no choice.

It appears that vaccines administered into a blood vessel as opposed to muscle could be behind a large portion of the heart inflammation side effects. And this can be easily mitigated by drawing back on the needle before injection to check if blood dilutes into the vaccine solution before it is administered.

It's called aspiration. If you are getting a jab, and the person administering it refuses to do this, go elsewhere.

Just stop it with this anti-vax propaganda!

[stickdog99]

What exactly is it about these vaccines that make so many so fucking intent on forcing them on everyone? Is there something in the mRNA that turns people into indictive tribalist asshole corporate totalitarians?

Oh, quit playing stupid. If one accepts that the vaccine is safe and effective (which I understand you do not), then it means there are a ton of assholes out there refusing to take a safe and effective medical remedy that could neutralize the virus that has been screwing up life for everyone for one and a half years, while those same assholes are actively discouraging people from taking the remedy based mostly on youtube videos from pro-Trump "the election was stolen" idiots and then blaming the precaution-taking people for the reason life still isn't back to normal.

You may not agree with it, but it is extremely disingenuous for anyone here to pretend they can't understand it.

If a vaccinated person accepts that these vaccines are safe and effective, then why are the healthcare decisions of others the business of this fully protected vaccinated person? Especially to the point that this vaccinated person would actually support depriving heroic nurses who made it this far through the COVID-19 crisis of their right to earn a living on the basis of their vaccination status!

Since only the most vindictive tribalist asshole corporate totalitarian in existence could possibly think that way, I highly recommend that anybody who supports vaccine mandates ask his or her doctor about this potential mRNA vaccine side effect,

[Belligerent Savant]

What exactly is it about these vaccines that make so many so fucking intent on forcing them on everyone? Is there something in the mRNA that turns people into indictive tribalist asshole corporate totalitarians?

Oh, quit playing stupid. If one accepts that the vaccine is safe and effective (which I understand you do not), then it means there are a ton of assholes out there refusing to take a safe and effective medical remedy that could neutralize the virus that has been screwing up life for everyone for one and a half years, while those same assholes are actively discouraging people from taking the remedy based mostly on youtube videos from pro-Trump "the election was stolen" idiots and then blaming the precaution-taking people for the reason life still isn't back to normal.

You may not agree with it, but it is extremely disingenuous for anyone here to pretend they can't understand it.

What else can this be called but an egregiously stupid and lazy take?

First off, i interpreted Stickdog's rhetorical question as one directed largely on govts/bureaucracies, ("forcing them on everyone"), and also NOT specifically directed towards the U.S. (indeed, he was replying to comments from drstrangelove, who was referring to his home country of Australia), so your reference to Trump and/or 'Trumptards' is both obtuse and insular.

It's also comically myopic.

These shots are not 'safe and effective' in all instances. They don't curb spread. They don't prevent anyone from catching it. So the justification for FORCING it is non-existent. No one should be forced to take these shots under any conditions.

Not to mention the most glaring omission in all this stupid mindset you convey here: there are demonstrably effective treatments -- other than these goddamned shots -- that have been actively suppressed (criminal acts on their own, as these suppression tactics have absolutely cost many lives/livelihoods). These faulty/leaky vaccines are far from the lone option available for treatment, and almost all of these alternative treatments are less harmful, both in the short and long term (no one right now even knows the potential long-term harms of these shots).

Amazing, almost 2 years into this, we have to read insipid shit like this here.

If you had any self-awareness you'd cut yourself off, in shame, from typing such nonsense.

Instead, i'll commit the act on myself on your behalf.

Time off for the stupidity of others.


(In the event your response was intended as your interpretation of what a typical 'anti covid vaxxer' thinks rather than what you yourself may think, all of the above applies regardless)

How is that a stupid or lazy take? Whether you like it or not, the majority of people think you're the crazy one. The mainstream narrative isn't exactly a secret: get vaccinated so we can get a handle on the pandemic. If you start from that viewpoint it's perfectly logical that they would want as many as possible vaccinated. Pretending that it's some big mystery why they're pushing vaccines is the stupid and lazy take.

Also, people are freaking out about the mRNA vaccines and their potential long-term effects, but I never see them freak out about the RNA virus causing this pandemic and its potential long-term effects.

Incidence, co-occurrence, and evolution of long-COVID features: A 6-month retrospective cohort study of 273,618 survivors of COVID-19
https://journals.plos.org/plosmedicine/ ... 03773.s003

Symptoms and Health Outcomes Among Survivors of COVID-19 Infection 1 Year After Discharge From Hospitals in Wuhan, China
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamane ... le/2784558

You're still missing the fucking point.

The point is, simply, that there is no justification for coercing or forcing anyone to take these shots. Period.

Each person has the human right -- especially for a virus with an IFR of 0.2% at most, for chrissakes -- to CHOOSE, without duress, if a shot is for them. They should have every right to refuse, as these fucking shots do not protect anyone else (nor the participant) from getting covid.
(Among myriad other health and ethical issues with a One Size Fits All/Everyone Must Get Inoculated unprecedented approach to a highly survivable virus).

How much more plainly does this need to be fucking spelled out?

Next you'll share all the storylines about 'overwhelmed hospitals'. If you're still buying the storylines at face value at this point there's nothing more to say here.

(And i love the comment about majority opinion. There've been many times in history when majority fucking opinion was -- at times devastatingly -- wrong*)

*majority opinion in the current era should come with a heavy disclaimer, in any event, as so much of it is shaped by PR/marketing/conditioning/controlled media narratives. For fuck's sake.

[stickdog99]

What exactly is it about these vaccines that make so many so fucking intent on forcing them on everyone? Is there something in the mRNA that turns people into indictive tribalist asshole corporate totalitarians?

Oh, quit playing stupid. If one accepts that the vaccine is safe and effective (which I understand you do not), then it means there are a ton of assholes out there refusing to take a safe and effective medical remedy that could neutralize the virus that has been screwing up life for everyone for one and a half years, while those same assholes are actively discouraging people from taking the remedy based mostly on youtube videos from pro-Trump "the election was stolen" idiots and then blaming the precaution-taking people for the reason life still isn't back to normal.

You may not agree with it, but it is extremely disingenuous for anyone here to pretend they can't understand it.

What else can this be called but an egregiously stupid and lazy take?

First off, i interpreted Stickdog's rhetorical question as one directed largely on govts/bureaucracies, ("forcing them on everyone"), and also NOT specifically directed towards the U.S. (indeed, he was replying to comments from drstrangelove, who was referring to his home country of Australia), so your reference to Trump and/or 'Trumptards' is both obtuse and insular.

It's also comically myopic.

These shots are not 'safe and effective' in all instances. They don't curb spread. They don't prevent anyone from catching it. So the justification for FORCING it is non-existent. No one should be forced to take these shots under any conditions.

Not to mention the most glaring omission in all this stupid mindset you convey here: there are demonstrably effective treatments -- other than these goddamned shots -- that have been actively suppressed (criminal acts on their own, as these suppression tactics have absolutely cost many lives/livelihoods). These faulty/leaky vaccines are far from the lone option available for treatment, and almost all of these alternative treatments are less harmful, both in the short and long term (no one right now even knows the potential long-term harms of these shots).

Amazing, almost 2 years into this, we have to read insipid shit like this here.

If you had any self-awareness you'd cut yourself off, in shame, from typing such nonsense.

Instead, i'll commit the act on myself on your behalf.

Time off for the stupidity of others.


(In the event your response was intended as your interpretation of what a typical 'anti covid vaxxer' thinks rather than what you yourself may think, all of the above applies regardless)

How is that a stupid or lazy take? Whether you like it or not, the majority of people think you're the crazy one. The mainstream narrative isn't exactly a secret: get vaccinated so we can get a handle on the pandemic. If you start from that viewpoint it's perfectly logical that they would want as many as possible vaccinated. Pretending that it's some big mystery why they're pushing vaccines is the stupid and lazy take.

What makes this a stupid and lazy take is that anybody paying attention knows that these mRNA vaccines do nothing to stop the spread of the Delta variant, that any benefit these vaccines confer against death and hospitalization from COVID-19 starts to wane after a few months, that there is no demonstrable correlation between vaccination rates and a reduction in COVID-19 case rates, that COVID-19 case rates are actually higher right now than they were at this time last year despite several billion vaccinations, and that therefore preventative and early treatment options are necessary even if only as a critical supplement to vaccination. In short, there is no fucking way to vaccinate your way out of an ongoing pandemic using leaky vaccines that do absolutely nothing to stop the transmission of the now dominant Delta variant.

Also, people are freaking out about the mRNA vaccines and their potential long-term effects, but I never see them freak out about the RNA virus causing this pandemic and its potential long-term effects.

This is nothing but classic projection. Individuals who resist vaccination are not "freaking out:" about the mRNA vaccines and their potential long-term effects. We are merely pointing out the obvious fact adverse effects exist and long terms effects cannot currently be known and thus this information needs to be weighed in any individual's medical decision making. In contrast, individuals who want to mandate vaccination with totalitarian edicts are almost universally freaking out about about the effects of COVID-19! In fact, over 50% of US Democrats think that the chances of an individual who gets COVID-19 having to be hospitalized is over 50%! Talk about the availability heuristic! Furthermore, the same individuals who want to mandate vaccination with totalitarian edicts are in complete denial about the FACT that the long term effects of mRNA vaccinations are not yet known and cannot yet be known.

As for supposed "long COVID-19" effects, how can we differentiate between these and basic nocebo effects? Why is it wholly legitimate to vaccine pushers to attribute any subsequent ill-effects anyone has after a bout of COVID to having had COVID, but verboten to attribute any subsequent ill-effects after mRNA vaccination to mRNA vaccination?

[Karmamatterz]

Belligerent Savant » Fri Oct 01, 2021 2:23 pm wrote:
mentalgongfu2 » Fri Oct 01, 2021 6:48 am wrote:
What exactly is it about these vaccines that make so many so fucking intent on forcing them on everyone? Is there something in the mRNA that turns people into indictive tribalist asshole corporate totalitarians?


Oh, quit playing stupid. If one accepts that the vaccine is safe and effective (which I understand you do not), then it means there are a ton of assholes out there refusing to take a safe and effective medical remedy that could neutralize the virus that has been screwing up life for everyone for one and a half years, while those same assholes are actively discouraging people from taking the remedy based mostly on youtube videos from pro-Trump "the election was stolen" idiots and then blaming the precaution-taking people for the reason life still isn't back to normal.

You may not agree with it, but it is extremely disingenuous for anyone here to pretend they can't understand it.


What else can this be called but an egregiously stupid and lazy take?

First off, i interpreted Stickdog's rhetorical question as one directed largely on govts/bureaucracies, ("forcing them on everyone"), and also NOT specifically directed towards the U.S. (indeed, he was replying to comments from drstrangelove, who was referring to his home country of Australia), so your reference to Trump and/or 'Trumptards' is both obtuse and insular.

It's also comically myopic.

These shots are not 'safe and effective' in all instances. They don't curb spread. They don't prevent anyone from catching it. So the justification for FORCING it is non-existent. No one should be forced to take these shots under any conditions.

Not to mention the most glaring omission in all this stupid mindset you convey here: there are demonstrably effective treatments -- other than these goddamned shots -- that have been actively suppressed (criminal acts on their own, as these suppression tactics have absolutely cost many lives/livelihoods). These faulty/leaky vaccines are far from the lone option available for treatment, and almost all of these alternative treatments are less harmful, both in the short and long term (no one right now even knows the potential long-term harms of these shots).

Amazing, almost 2 years into this, we have to read insipid shit like this here.

If you had any self-awareness you'd cut yourself off, in shame, from typing such nonsense.

Instead, i'll commit the act on myself on your behalf.

Time off for the stupidity of others.


(In the event your response was intended as your interpretation of what a typical 'anti covid vaxxer' thinks rather than what you yourself may think, all of the above applies regardless)


@mentalgongfu: Either you take one of the vaccines and accept that your beliefs should not require others to take them if they are safe and effective or you accept that the so called vaccines do not in fact confer immunity and are neither safe nor effective and by tacitly approving of forced vaccination you are now a representative of all the horror you claim to be against, an accidental totalitarian if you like. Either way mentalgongfu, you've become completely deranged and completely devoid of reason.

Or you always were.

while those same assholes are actively discouraging people from taking the remedy based mostly on youtube videos from pro-Trump "the election was stolen" idiots and then blaming the precaution-taking people for the reason life still isn't back to normal.

Did you get those talking points straight from Don Lemon on CNN? Or Maddow on MSNBC?

What happened, did the physicians assistant whistleblower video trigger you?

I'll second what Harvey wrote. Pick one, you don't get argue both sides of the issues and expect anyone to accept yours, and the mainstream twisted and perverse logic.

We keep hearing that in "In extremely rare cases" some who have gotten vaxxed have serious problems. This is just one of many that are called extremely rare. But since so many doctors and hospitals suck ass at reporting to VAERS, extremely rare is up for debate.

https://www.acc.org/latest-in-cardiolog ... 9-vaccines

Category: COVID Vaccination
Patient Type: COVID-19 Vaccinated
Prevalence: Extremely rare
Principal Guidance: In extremely rare cases, the Johnson & Johnson/Jansen and Astra Zeneca COVID-19 vaccinations may cause vaccine-induced thrombotic thrombocytopenia (VITT), a condition characterized by simultaneous acute thrombosis and thrombocytopenia. The condition is similar to heparin-induced thrombocytopenia. Specific risk factors for VITT have yet to be determined given the extremely low case count, though presentation seems to appear between 5-28 days post vaccination. Patients should be reassured that the benefits of vaccination against COVID-19 far outweigh any potential risk. Diagnostic, therapeutic, and patient communication recommendations are included below.

My take on this is personal, and doesn't have a damn thing to do with Trump. Can intelligent people quit making references to Trump on this, at least here? Or maybe just keep it all inside the precious MAGA thread since you and others are so fond of making asinine references to others.
When I read medical articles ( not fucking YouTube, CBS, Bloomberg, Counterpunch, Democratic Underground, NPR, NYT, FOX etc....) like the one linked it makes me highly concerned. Blood clots are common in the general population. Getting blood clots after the vax is even more dangerous because there is no consensus on treatment and normal emergency treatment like an IV drip of Heparin are considered risky. My hematologist, after taking over 20 viles of blood, along with other tests still could not determine why I had multiple pulmonary emboli. I nearly died in the ER. I suppose it's fitting to mention since it was two years ago today that happened. You think other people who have had similar experiences with clotting want to risk any of this? I may die from clots, or being eaten by a great white shark. Either way it will still go on my death certificate as Covid.

Quick question, do you think the NBA baller Jonathan Issac from the Orlando Magic is your typical MAGA guy who got all his information from YouTube? Even if he did, so what? Maybe listen to what he said, then apply your MAGA bullshit to him. Let's see how you use the perverse logic of the mainstream narratives to wrangle that pretzel.

[stickdog99]

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Can we all please agree that in a sane world, in which actual public health concerns were driving vaccination efforts, that this public inquisition of Isaac's private medical history would have ended the second that Isaac mentioned that he had already recovered from COVID-19?