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Postby Belligerent Savant » Sun Oct 10, 2021 1:49 pm

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A Dutch mortician asks an innocent question: Why do the bodies look so strange lately?

October 10, 2021

A single naïve question is sometimes enough to make an entire system come tumbling down.” A Colombian philosopher who went by the name of Gómez Dávila once said. And lately, a lot of people are starting to ask a lot of innocent questions, because they are encountering things that just don’t seem to make sense, as long as you don’t ask the sort of questions we’re supposed to avoid asking. As I mentioned yesterday, too many people are dying in the Netherlands lately and demographers are beginning to notice it. Morticians are beginning to notice strange patterns too.

The advantage of being part of a real community is that when things turn sour, you will hear the sort of things that the institutes of power seek to keep quiet. Atrocities that ended up in the history books were generally treated as rumors when they took place. One Dutch woman encountered such a “rumor” in her extended network and decided to record it for the sake of transparency. A Dutch mortician asked for help from his peers, to figure out how to make the bodies he treats look more presentable.

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I’ll offer you my best attempt at a translation:

Hemorrhages, very small hemorrhages in a deceased. I notice them increasingly often and notice that my duties are shifting and I’m forced to take increased effort to make the deceased look presentable. We call these petechiae. Small pointy hemorrhages that passed out of the blood vessel system and became impossible to press back as a result. During the past half year I now encounter deceased with this unpleasant discoloration in the face, shoulders and upper arms. The deceased looks purpleish or blue (can’t be pressed away) and blue/black in the neck and the shoulders. The oxygen-poor blood I remove from these deceased (to replace with colored chemicals) is syrupy darkblue to black (not exaggerated). Are there colleagues who recognize this and can tell me what causes this? I think I have sufficient experience to recognize that this used to be far rarer in the past (for me it went from four times a year, to twice a week). Questions please in a PM.


So there you have it. A Dutch mortician notices that the bodies he treats have strange capillary hemorrhages, known as petechiae. What could cause such a thing? There’s a long list of conditions that can cause these symptoms, but there’s one that jumps from the list: Thrombocytopenia. When someone suffers abnormally low platelets, bleeding happens easily, because the blood doesn’t properly coagulate. One of the symptoms a woman can notice from this is heavy menstrual bleeding (which many women have been reporting lately). For men it’s rarer to notice any symptoms.

We know there exists a link between vaccination against COVID-19 and the development of autoimmune thrombocytopenia. What’s harder to determine is how many cases go unreported. This is the sort of indicator you would expect to encounter, if we’re missing many cases of people whose deaths are simply interpreted as an “unexpected tragedy”.

I’ll bother documenting some of the responses too.

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My partner died 4,5 days after vaccination with AstraZeneca from acute heart failure. Indeed there was a purple/blue discoloration in the face. The frequency you speak of raises a number of questions for me. This should be thoroughly investigated. There’s a lot being suppressed and a lot of doctors look away or give denying responses, as was the case in my specific situation.


Another mortician shares something interesting as well:

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Thanks for speaking out about this Edwin. I haven’t encountered the discoloration you mention yet. I have encountered multiple deceased with a lot of fluid buildup in the abdomen. What I find particularly worrisome myself is the high number of deceased in recent months. So many more than in preceding years.


This is worth looking at as well. The medical term for a buildup of fluid in the abdomen is Ascitis. Although the most common cause is cirrhosis, another possible explanation for such a buildup of fluid is heart failure. If we’re facing far more cases of spontaneous heart failure (as the statistics from England suggest) in people who were otherwise relatively healthy, what this lady described is the sort of thing you could expect morticians to notice.

We can apply some basic math to see whether these reports pass the smell test. An average mortician embalms about two people a day. Mortality in the Netherlands right now is about ten percent above normal. A mortician who would embalm ten people a week would thus now embalm eleven. If every excess death that currently happens displays these type of symptoms, then it fits that a mortician could report encountering two of these cases a week.

In the long run, there are other questions that need to be answered: Is this transitory? We still don’t really know for sure how the vaccines cause myocarditis and blood clots. Scientists are unsure about the underlying mechanism. The spike protein itself is toxic, but the immune response to the spike protein can cause problems too. We just know that they do, because we see far more cases than would be expected by random chance in a given period after administering the vaccine. If the problem is the antibody response to the spike protein, then we would expect to see these antibodies boosted whenever people start to be exposed to the virus again.

These are the sort of questions that would have been nice to have an answer to before the government decided that every single human being above the age of twelve should be injected with these vaccines.

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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby DrEvil » Sun Oct 10, 2021 2:47 pm

Belligerent Savant » Sat Oct 09, 2021 8:44 pm wrote:
DrEvil » Fri Oct 08, 2021 12:13 pm wrote:


I know his beliefs aren't relevant to this specific video, but the guy you posted doesn't deserve a single click, so here's the same video from a person who isn't an anti-Semite who thinks we should kill all the gay people:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXLPRBqyBww



Wait - you're claiming the doctor in the above clip is an anti-semite? On what grounds? Isn't the above video the same one stickdog posted?
Perhaps I'm missing a pertinent detail.

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Oops, poor wording on my part. I meant the channel the video was posted to, not the doctor. It's a fundamentalist baptist church started by this guy: Steven Anderson
Homophobe, transphobe, misogynist, anti-Semite and Holocaust denier. Swell guy.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Harvey » Sun Oct 10, 2021 3:04 pm

@Joe

Ah, they're just known as 'Raves' here.

Regarding the figures, I was on the fence for a long time, completely open to whatever the evidence might suggest although painfully aware from the beginning that provisions in the UK Emergency Covid bill had little or nothing to do with a health emergency and were more in keeping with recent policing and security bills. Which set off alarm bells. A case in point, Public Health England has just been replaced by UK Health Security Agency. Rather telling isn't it?

If I genuinely feel threatened I'll defend or protect myself however I can. Throughout the last two years I watched myself behave as though there was no health emergency at all. Early on I saw that I did not believe the stories being pumped out day and night. I simply did not feel that my life was threatened. I do feel real sadness for all those who have been tortured by every kind of fear and for many the realisation of those fears, but I myself gave no consideration, not even a single moment of worry to being infected with Sars-Cov2. Still don't. So you see, I only had to watch myself to discover what I actually believed. I understand fully that anything can happen to anybody at any moment, so for me nothing had really changed.

Now though, enough data is in hand and it seems you may simply be wrong, Joe.

Life saving treatment was deliberately withheld until acute as recommended at the global policy level by governments and NGO's and implemented by health authorities and workers, killing many of those who were most vulnerable. That was a series of choices built upon an ideological foundation having nothing whatsoever to do with best practice in medicine. We know that because some doctors did not adopt official policies like DNR orders, denied treatment, intubation etc. Indeed, these doctors tested and innovated, trying various treatments and pooling results continuously (all standard practices.) In doing so, their efforts were loudly denounced by governments and media. Their science papers were denied peer review and for some, doing basic science cost them their jobs. But even though WHO know for a certainty that these treatments are effective as their own work in India and elsewhere has been busy proving, MSM/Globocap/Gov continue to deride and mock what we know to be effective treatments.

Several methods of adjusting the number of Covid deaths upward have definitely been shown, we do have evidence for that. Just as figures for Covid 'Vaccine' deaths have been intentionally downsized. Some of these methods were actually in the Emergency Covid bill itself which deliberately introduced far greater opportunity to mis-record the cause of death. But why on Earth would a government appear to do that? Why would a government willingly paint itself in a bad and seemingly incompetent light? It defies reason doesn't it? Unless, of course, the truth is far darker. It does now appear that many elders, those not killed by denial of treatment were deliberately poisoned to death in the UK.

If you avoid the data rather than reckon with it, is it possible that you yourself are inside a belief system you cannot see?
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Harvey » Sun Oct 10, 2021 3:19 pm

Belligerent Savant » Sat Oct 09, 2021 8:40 pm wrote:Worthwhile listen - quite a bit of this has already been raised here but good presentation/venue:

https://rumble.com/vnbv86-winning-the-w ... -unte.html

Winning the War Against Therapeutic Nihilism & Trusted Treatments vs Untested Novel Therapies

Association of American Physicians and Surgeons

Published October 4, 2021


Rumble — Peter McCullough, MD, MPH speaks at the 78th Annual Meeting of AAPS on October 2, 2021.

Slides: https://www.scribd.com/document/5303284 ... 21-Lecture


Patient Guide: https://aapsonline.org/covidpatientguide/


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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Sun Oct 10, 2021 6:12 pm

Belligerent Savant » 11 Oct 2021 02:35 wrote:.
Can't read the article as I won't be subscribing to The Economist, but here's the intro I was able to see, from your link:

How many people have died because of the covid-19 pandemic? The answer depends both on the data available, and on how you define “because”. Many people who die while infected with SARS-CoV-2 are never tested for it, and do not enter the official totals. Conversely, some people whose deaths have been attributed to covid-19 had other ailments that might have ended their lives on a similar timeframe anyway. And what about people who died of preventable causes during the pandemic, because hospitals full of covid-19 patients could not treat them? If such cases count, they must be offset by deaths that did not occur but would have in normal times, such as those caused by flu or air pollution.


To what extent does it factor in how many lives were lost because effective/low-cost early treatment wasn't offered or provided? Or how many died needlessly because of wrong treatments (ventilators with high pressure settings along with anesthetic drugs such as Midazolam administered, etc.)? Among other contributing factors.

In other words: A variety of compounding factors contributed to excess deaths, which include draconian policies, improper medical treatments (inadvertent or otherwise), lockdown measures, etc. (particularly when lockdowns alone directly impacted lives and livelihoods), suppression of alternative, effective, low-cost treatment options that may be offered along with the availability of vaccines. And of course, deaths due to vaccine adverse reactions -- we won't ever get accurate numbers on this last metric.

To ascribe excess deaths to the covid virus alone -- if that's what this Economist piece is offering -- is highly short-sighted at best.
Perhaps someone with access to the entire article can offer added context.


They didn't describe the excess deaths as due to the virus itself but correlated them with it. So all those things you mentioned could be valid ways to interpret their data.

Now supposedly Australia has the most draconian policies in history right. Yet our excess mortality rate actually dropped during the last 18 months. (I think that is because the economy eats people and so shutting it down while the virus was happening means less people died at or on their way to work or from the stresses and hassles associated with it.)

Many of the places where the death rates were worse than expected or officially cited haven't yet had vaccine rollouts to more than a small percentage of the population. And personally I know hundreds of people who are now vaccinated and haven't heard of any one dying from an adverse reaction to any vaccines, tho about five or six people have in the country due to blood clotting issues with the AZ vaccine.

One point I've tried to make repeatedly but gets lost in the noise here is that this situation is more out of control than anyone in any government or corporate organisation is prepared to accept. Alot of the narrative around the "new normal' is that things will get back to normal, but they won't.

Throughout history pandemics have seen the fall of empires the death of economies and the rise of new things and new ways for society to interact. Middle Ages plagues contributed to the death of feudalism and the rise of workers rights and industrial movements/unions for example. Which is why the ruling class is scrambling so hard to hang onto and consolidate power. But it isn't working.

Right now in Melbourne, Victoria the infection rates are the worst they have been. Simply because people are jack of following rules that seem arbitrary and foolish. So people no longer buy into the lockdown mandates, do what they want and to a large degree (ie when people aren't rioting and looking to fight them) the cops let it slide now. Because its impossible to enforce properly. There simply aren't enough of them, something the good (well the strange luvin') Dr (was referring to earlier in the thread, I think.

Most of this stuff:

A variety of compounding factors contributed to excess deaths, which include draconian policies, improper medical treatments (inadvertent or otherwise), lockdown measures, etc. (particularly when lockdowns alone directly impacted lives and livelihoods), suppression of alternative, effective, low-cost treatment options that may be offered [i]along with the availability of vaccines. And of course, deaths due to vaccine adverse reactions -- we won't ever get accurate numbers on this last metric.[/i]

... is first world problems. Most of the really bad situations have happened in what was called the third world, the developing world where economic power is strongly benefits capital. Lots of places where the death toll is worst have resorted to the treatments that are supressed in the west because those places don't count as far as the west is concerned. So India and Brazil seem to have good success with Ivermectin, rap[id testing and home care but they still have massive excess deaths compared to other places. And lockdowns (in India anyway,) didn't really work. Except in some parts of some cities. People still did what they had to to survive in the other places.

T here are states in India with nearly as many people as the entire US, and 10X the population of Australia. The control measures we experienced are effectively non existent in those places. People choose to comply or not.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Sun Oct 10, 2021 6:16 pm

Harvey » 11 Oct 2021 05:04 wrote:@Joe

Ah, they're just known as 'Raves' here

Now though, enough data is in hand and it seems you may simply be wrong, Joe.


About what?

If you avoid the data rather than reckon with it, is it possible that you yourself are inside a belief system you cannot see?



What data have I avoided?
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Harvey » Sun Oct 10, 2021 7:17 pm

Joe Hillshoist » Sun Oct 10, 2021 11:16 pm wrote:
Harvey » 11 Oct 2021 05:04 wrote:@Joe

Ah, they're just known as 'Raves' here

Now though, enough data is in hand and it seems you may simply be wrong, Joe.


About what?

If you avoid the data rather than reckon with it, is it possible that you yourself are inside a belief system you cannot see?



What data have I avoided?


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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Belligerent Savant » Sun Oct 10, 2021 7:39 pm

Joe Hillshoist » Sun Oct 10, 2021 5:12 pm wrote: ....So India and Brazil seem to have good success with Ivermectin, rap[id testing and home care but they still have massive excess deaths compared to other places. And lockdowns (in India anyway,) didn't really work. Except in some parts of some cities. People still did what they had to to survive in the other places.

T here are states in India with nearly as many people as the entire US, and 10X the population of Australia. The control measures we experienced are effectively non existent in those places. People choose to comply or not.


Yes, the regions in India that adopted Ivermectin fared very well despite very low vaxx rates; regions that excluded Ivermectin did not fare nearly as well:

Belligerent Savant » Sat Oct 02, 2021 6:37 pm wrote:Now let's also look at regions in India that focused on Ivermectin as primary treatment:

Uttar Pradesh on Ivermectin: Population 240 Million [4.9% fully vaccinated]

COVID Daily Cases: 26

COVID Daily Deaths: 3

Delhi on Ivermectin: Population 31 Million [15% fully vaccinated]

COVID Daily Cases: 61

COVID Daily Deaths: 2

Uttarakhand on Ivermectin: Population 11.4 Million [15% fully vaccinated]

COVID Daily Cases: 24

COVID Daily Deaths: 0

https://www.thedesertreview.com/opinion ... 19364.html

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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby BenDhyan » Sun Oct 10, 2021 11:02 pm

This person provides a concise analysis of the benefits of vaccination based on the CDC data.

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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby BenDhyan » Sun Oct 10, 2021 11:27 pm

How prescient these folk were in 2019 while addressing the future of flu vaccinations, a virus from China might speed things up..

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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Sun Oct 10, 2021 11:54 pm

Belligerent Savant » 11 Oct 2021 09:39 wrote:
Joe Hillshoist » Sun Oct 10, 2021 5:12 pm wrote: ....So India and Brazil seem to have good success with Ivermectin, rap[id testing and home care but they still have massive excess deaths compared to other places. And lockdowns (in India anyway,) didn't really work. Except in some parts of some cities. People still did what they had to to survive in the other places.

T here are states in India with nearly as many people as the entire US, and 10X the population of Australia. The control measures we experienced are effectively non existent in those places. People choose to comply or not.


Yes, the regions in India that adopted Ivermectin fared very well despite very low vaxx rates; regions that excluded Ivermectin did not fare nearly as well:

Belligerent Savant » Sat Oct 02, 2021 6:37 pm wrote:Now let's also look at regions in India that focused on Ivermectin as primary treatment:

Uttar Pradesh on Ivermectin: Population 240 Million [4.9% fully vaccinated]

COVID Daily Cases: 26

COVID Daily Deaths: 3

Delhi on Ivermectin: Population 31 Million [15% fully vaccinated]

COVID Daily Cases: 61

COVID Daily Deaths: 2

Uttarakhand on Ivermectin: Population 11.4 Million [15% fully vaccinated]

COVID Daily Cases: 24

COVID Daily Deaths: 0

https://www.thedesertreview.com/opinion ... 19364.html


While I generally agree on the face of it, these are official figures and part of the reason I posted the link to that economist article was that it indicates official figures are fairly unreliable everywhere.

It certainly seems that way but we just don't know the true extent of things.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Joe Hillshoist » Sun Oct 10, 2021 11:58 pm

Harvey » 11 Oct 2021 09:17 wrote:You actually have to ask.


For some of the things I have issue with posted here I've explained clearly why I am sus about it and what my questions are and as of yet no one has been able to give me a straight answer using their own words. What i am sposed to do about that?
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby stickdog99 » Mon Oct 11, 2021 5:02 am

BenDhyan » 11 Oct 2021 03:02 wrote:This person provides a concise analysis of the benefits of vaccination based on the CDC data.



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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby BenDhyan » Mon Oct 11, 2021 5:26 am

^ Yes I see that...
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