Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby streeb » Tue Nov 09, 2021 9:41 pm

Harvey said:
How many times our lives has there been an epidemic of healthy people collapsing and dropping dead from a supposed medicine? We were told at the begining that Covid was supposed to do this, that was enough to cause global fear even though that did not materialise. Now that vaccines appear to be doing exactly this on a grand scale* what changed?

How many times in our lives have we more or less agreed with the entire establsihment and what they tell us? What changed?

For context, I do not personally know anyone who knows anyone who has died from Covid, so far. I know of four vaccine injuries, one nearly fatal, one debilitating. I trust my eyes and ears.


All of the above. Canada has seen fewer than 29,000 CV deaths, with an average age of (I think) 78, and that's according to dubiously collected data. There is no monitoring of vaccine injury so I also have to rely on my eyes and ears, always adjusting, I hope, for my own biases, but at this point I'm more or less satisfied that the vaccine regime is a fucking catastrophe and it's only just begun to show itself.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby mentalgongfu2 » Wed Nov 10, 2021 12:50 am

For context, I don't know anyone who has had bad effects from the vaccine.

I have a handful of friends whose parents or grandparents died after being hospitalized for covid.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Belligerent Savant » Wed Nov 10, 2021 1:04 am

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After being hospitalized...

This was mentioned a number of times before in this thread, echoed by a number of doctors and scientists (the FLCCC, among others) fighting to be more widely heard, but:

How many that died with covid would have survived -- fully recuperated -- with proper early treatments, recommended by doctors currently being censored (or their advice actively suppressed/treatments ridiculed, e.g. Ivermectin)? What would it be like if the CDC or Fauci advocated publicly for these early alternatives and treatment options, in addition to the experimental shots?

How many lives -- and livelihoods -- would have persisted rather than extinguished?

One of many egregious crimes being committed: the suppression of early, effective and safe treatments (along with the aggressive tactics to push a single type of experimental product across all age groups in an unscientific 'one size fits all' affront to human rights).
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Harvey » Wed Nov 10, 2021 10:34 am

mentalgongfu2 » Wed Nov 10, 2021 5:50 am wrote:For context, I don't know anyone who has had bad effects from the vaccine.

I have a handful of friends whose parents or grandparents died after being hospitalized for covid.


The obvious difference, nobody is arguing to mandate the deliberate infection of people with the SarsCov2 virus. With the possible exception of Anthony Fauci...

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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby stickdog99 » Wed Nov 10, 2021 3:06 pm

mentalgongfu2 » 10 Nov 2021 04:50 wrote:For context, I don't know anyone who has had bad effects from the vaccine.

I have a handful of friends whose parents or grandparents died after being hospitalized for covid.


Just something to consider. What was the average age of these COVID-19 associated deaths?

I know of one 85 year old who obviously and very tragically died of COVID-19. I also know of one 78 year old who very mysteriously died for completely unknown reasons within 48 hours of her second vaccination.

My guesstimate is that if you multiply this by a few hundred thousand, you would get an a pretty accurate read on the comparative effects of COVID-19 and vaccination.

But this is only a guess. I would be more than be willing to admit the error of my ways if only anyone could produce a decent epidemiological study showing that the overall and not just COVID-19 coded health outcomes of vaccinated populations are better than the overall health outcomes of comparable unvaccinated populations over the same time frame. You know, only the exact sort of study that all unbiased medical decision makers would naturally demand before subjecting themselves and especially their children to a new medical technology that has never been tested for its long term effects. So where are these studies? I have been asking every single "expert" I know who has ever tried to convince me to get vaccinated for over 6 months now. And I have have gotten in response besides visceral disdain is crickets.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby stickdog99 » Wed Nov 10, 2021 3:15 pm

Belligerent Savant » 10 Nov 2021 05:04 wrote:.

After being hospitalized...

This was mentioned a number of times before in this thread, echoed by a number of doctors and scientists (the FLCCC, among others) fighting to be more widely heard, but:

How many that died with covid would have survived -- fully recuperated -- with proper early treatments, recommended by doctors currently being censored (or their advice actively suppressed/treatments ridiculed, e.g. Ivermectin)? What would it be like if the CDC or Fauci advocated publicly for these early alternatives and treatment options, in addition to the experimental shots?

How many lives -- and livelihoods -- would have persisted rather than extinguished?

One of many egregious crimes being committed: the suppression of early, effective and safe treatments (along with the aggressive tactics to push a single type of experimental product across all age groups in an unscientific 'one size fits all' affront to human rights).


Exactly. But most people lauding vaccines actually have no idea that early at home treatment protocols have been and are being actively suppressed to the direct financial benefit of both giant healthcare providers and vaccine manufacturers. Because they have an bizarre unshakeable trust the institution of official medical science as conveyed to them by legacy media, they think the suppression of early treatment is all just a conspiracy theory and that the biggest problem we face today is any "misinformation" that dares to question officially sanctioned medical dictates. Big Doctor Loves You.

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Postby stickdog99 » Wed Nov 10, 2021 6:40 pm

https://www.bostonherald.com/2021/11/08 ... es-unwise/

Just as politicians don’t read the bills before voting on them, they don’t keep up with science but still want to tell the rest of us what to do.

The groundbreaking findings in Lancet show that fully vaccinated people who came down with COVID infected others in their household at the same rate (about 25%) as unvaccinated people did (about 23%). The vaccinated had just as much viral load in their upper respiratory tract, making them just as contagious.

The British researchers also found that vaccinated people were only somewhat less likely to contract the virus (25%) compared with the unvaccinated (38%). That conflicts with Centers for Disease Control and Prevention data showing the vaccinated are far less likely to contract COVID.

One thing is for sure: The science is uncertain on this. So, government should not be using a heavy hand to impose mandates claiming to make workplaces safer.

Meanwhile, the White House is pressing large companies to mandate vaccinations and calling on OSHA to enforce that policy with hefty penalties. The Build Back Better bill increases the penalties tenfold to as much as $700,000 per incident for hazardous conditions, threatening bankruptcy for all but the largest enterprises. The Biden administration expects to publish the rules in the Federal Register in the coming days, affecting about two-thirds of the private sector workforce.

Yet the new science undercuts OSHA’s claim that unvaccinated people are a workplace hazard.

Lancet Infectious Diseases stressed the urgency of improving current vaccines or developing new ones to actually “protect against asymptomatic infections and onward transmission.”
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby stickdog99 » Wed Nov 10, 2021 6:52 pm

https://igorchudov.substack.com/p/hospi ... d-patients

Hospitals full of vaccinated patients
And it is not just Covid -- it is "everything else"

Igor Chudov

This article is a continuation of my thinking about vaccinated people having unusual amount, and unusual nature, of health problems. It is not a sound bite about “Joe Brandon” and is kind of long and thorough and some may find it boring. I wrote it mostly to provide fodder for other people who want to write about such things.

Everything in my article points to Covid vaccines somehow ruining general, innate immunity.

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Much more at the above link.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Belligerent Savant » Thu Nov 11, 2021 8:49 am

@OlleBernhard
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Official CDC data shows a shockingly large increase of deaths due to abnormal mystery causes since Covid-19 vaccinations began.
Deaths due to ‘abnormal clinical findings not elsewhere classified’ have increased exponentially compared to pre-Covid-19 vaccination levels.

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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Belligerent Savant » Thu Nov 11, 2021 2:32 pm

DrEvil » Sat Oct 02, 2021 3:07 pm wrote:
...it's what we did where I live and it (so far at least) worked. The majority of people are vaccinated, restrictions are lifted and life is back to normal.


Well, that gameplan is no longer working in Denmark, despite their high vaccination rates.


Denmark To Re-Impose Restrictions After Ditching All Rules 2 Months Ago: Prime Minister


About 86 percent of people aged 12 or older are fully vaccinated in Denmark. Despite that, authorities said last week hospitals are at risk of being overwhelmed due to COVID-19 and other infectious diseases. Critics of vaccine mandates have said that because COVID-19 vaccines cannot entirely prevent the transmission of the virus to others, such requirements are not necessary and will create unnecessary economic and social hardship.

In a Sunday Facebook post, Frederiksen claimed that COVID-19 is spreading from unvaccinated people to elderly people and at-risk people who have been vaccinated, although she did not provide evidence for her assertion. Health authorities will “soon” advise the Danish government on new measures, she added.

“The health authorities were expecting more people to be infected (by COVID) and hospitalized, but the things have gone faster than expected,” Frederiksen also told reporters Monday.

Among those restrictions, the government may mandate that certain businesses require customers to show proof of COVID-19 vaccination before entering, she said.

“You can live with the corona-pass,” Frederiksen said, referring to the vaccine passport. It will be re-imposed on bars, nightclubs, restaurants, and similar venues.



Those draconian 'passes' do nothing to curb spread since we now know these shots do not curb spread. And yet, they're still insisting on them. Why?

As recently demonstrated in an earlier post (charting upticks per region), other countries with high vaccination rates are seeing spikes in cases/hospitilizations/deaths as well.

In short: high 'vaccination' rates have NOT = "back to normal" in the majority of countries. High vaxx rates also didn't lower or flatline overall mortality/covid cases/hospitalizations.

Complying did not work.

The people will 'go back to normal' (or perhaps more accurately, back to a semblance of autonomy) when they choose to do so. This will likely involve non-compliance and/or opting out.
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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby Belligerent Savant » Thu Nov 11, 2021 8:36 pm

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Anyone interested in mRNA/Adenovirus vector vaccines should listen to this.

No transcript yet. Not available on Youtube, of course.

https://3speak.tv/watch?v=pandemichealt ... ayer_brand

Dr Robert Malone - MRNA Vaccines Explained For Real

Published on Nov 07, 2021


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CDC response to FOIA action: NO RECORDS FOUND.

Think of it. What CDC publicly claimed repeatedly vs. real data - no record of SARS-CoV-w transmission from previously infected. Meanwhile V breakthrough & transmission growing fast. MANDATES & OSHA Act, no legal or scientific base.
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In response to attorney’s FOIA request, US CDC admits that it has no record of an unvaccinated person spreading COVID after recovering from COVID.

Lawyers smelling blood in the water.

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Re: Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

Postby §ê¢rꆧ » Fri Nov 12, 2021 5:32 am

stickdog99 » Wed Nov 10, 2021 3:52 pm wrote:https://igorchudov.substack.com/p/hospitals-full-of-vaccinated-patients
Hospitals full of vaccinated patients
And it is not just Covid -- it is "everything else"


His math is a lot bit misleading. He makes a big deal about the CDC data stating there's slightly more non-Covid pneumonia cases among the vaccinated, failing to mention the HUGE difference in hospitalized non-vaccinated cases for Covid - like 5x as many! Then he uses an npr article that explains people have been putting off going to the hospital leading to chronic conditions going untreated and causing surges, and tries to represent it as the hospitals filled with swarms more vaccinated people than unvaccinated.. There's only about 700 more vaccinated total cases, a factor that could be attributed to non-vaccinated folx being extra-distrustful of going to the hospital even if they are very sick, imo.

It's like he thinks his readers aren't even going to pay attention to the details he writes about or click through to the articles he links.

Total fail. :rofl2
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