Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

[MacCruiskeen]

Piers Corbyn is always there, unlike his brother.

Crowds dissipating now, predictably. People get tired, need to use the toilet, are reluctant to use force or have it used against them by a well-drilled army of armed & armoured robocops.

The people are stuck in a moral, tactical and strategic dilemma. If they respond to the slow attritional violence of the coup with spontaneous violence against the loathsome police mercenaries who alone make that coup possible, then the media get their images of poor heroic cops with bleeding headwounds (and heartrending backstories of how they and their families are suffering), the BoJo-Starmer-Sturgeon regime tightens the screw still further, and the demonstrators immediately become The Bad Guys while the COUPVID-19 juggernaut rolls on over them and their children, unhindered.

[Harvey]

A busker stealing the show as might have been expected... From 'Wuhan flu' to 'stick your new world order/vaccine mandate/dodgy science/Klaus Schwab - up your arse!'

[MacCruiskeen]

BBC still carries not one mention of this huge demonstration, click as far as you like: News Front Page, World News, UK News, England News, London News -- nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing.

Now imagine the screaming headlines if 1 cop had been killed or even seriously injured. Imagine the photos, the videos, the outraged editorials and the solemn government statements.

[Harvey]

The people are stuck in a moral, tactical and strategic dilemma. If they respond to the slow attritional violence of the coup with spontaneous violence against the loathsome police mercenaries who alone make that coup possible, then the media get their images of poor heroic cops with bleeding headwounds (and heartrending backstories of how they and their families are suffering), the BoJo-Starmer-Sturgeon regime tightens the screw still further, and the demonstrators immediately become The Bad Guys while the COUPVID-19 juggernaut rolls on over them and their children, unhindered.

Yes indeed Mac.

The Palestinians would discover that merely resisting the rape of their bodies, culture, history and land would be portrayed as 'an act of aggression'. Now that the rest of us find our bodies being colonised, we are at last beginning to understand their plight, just as our own autonomy and identity and our ability to resist is being stripped away. The Israeli's themselves are being colonised, the same as anywhere else and worse than some. But for a brief moment, right now, the real enemy is fully visible, whether we are American, Canadian, English, German, Israeli, Italian, Australian or from anywhere else.

[MacCruiskeen]

BBC still carries not one mention of this huge demonstration, click as far as you like: News Front Page, World News, UK News, England News, London News -- nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing, nothing.

Now imagine the screaming headlines if 1 cop had been killed or even seriously injured. Imagine the photos, the videos, the outraged editorials and the solemn government statements.

Not one word in The G*ardian either about this angry and peaceful mass protest in the UK's capital city. Not one mention of a furious stand-off at the iron gates of Downing Street. Instead, we get fed this as FRONT PAGE NEWS:

Wurzels drummer John Morgan dies of Covid [sic] aged 80

--- The band, which celebrates rural life in the west of England, rose to fame in the 1970s with hits such as I Am a Cider Drinker and The Combine Harvester. ...
https://www.theguardian.com/music/2021/ ... id-aged-80

[stickdog99]

[Joe Hillshoist]

Only question which should be asked at this particular moment: why is a population who only vaccinated its vulnerable demographics coping with the omicron variant but populations who vaccinated all demographics are not coping with it?

Why is there no need for a booster rollout in South Africa?

Why does South Africa appear to be showing all the signs of herd immunity?

They are saying it without saying it. Because it's impossible to think it. We have acheived doublethink.

We know that less vaccination within the South African population has led to positive outcomes. But other populations will have negative outcomes due to higher vaccination rates. We can admit this, and admit it while reaching the conclusion that the solution is found in higher levels of vaccination within the demographics the least at risk. 5-11 year olds.

There has been a huge number of excess deaths in South Africa over the last 18 - 24 months.

Everything you're talking about in South Africa has come about at the cost of lots of people dying compared to how many people were dying in the years leading up to covid. Its had one of the worst death rates from COVID in Africa.

So by "positive outcomes" you probably mean "positive outcomes now after a world of shit" or would if you knew how bad things have been in South Africa since covid started.

Also, right now in South Africa they have the highest infection rate they've ever had.

Have a look at the first graph on this page, a graph of daily cases:

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus/ ... uth-africa

This outbreak has seen the highest infection rate ever in South Africa. The line is almost vertical in the graph on the page above. So if South Africa is having such "positive outcomes" its while they have their highest rate of infection ever.

The only positive is Omicron has evolved in a way that it seems to struggle to bind to Ace2 in the lungs even tho it multiplies far more in the upper respiratory tract. So its not as bad for you. Somewhere in this thread I (probably) said the real problem with covid isn't that its "flu-like" but that its a potentially systemic disease that can fuck you up in any number of vital organs including your brain or your heart - you know, how the spike protein in the vaccine is sposed to be cytotoxic to all these cells and has the potential for causing systemic illness thru side effects but somehow the virus isn't.

It doesn't seem to be a systemic disease any more since Omicron has come along.

Also, you constantly criticise vaccines if they fail to prevent any infection, act as if they prevent no infection when its demonstrated they provide some at least, but claim the infection rate in South Africa, where infection rates are almost a vertical line on a graph, the most intense its been, is some sort of positive outcome and that is the model we should have followed.

They've already had a large excess death rate and now they have an insane rate of infection. (If omnicon covid was a bad for people as MERS over a third of the South African population would be dead by NYE and the rest of the world would be following.)

[drstrangelove]

There has been a huge number of excess deaths in South Africa over the last 18 - 24 months.

Everything you're talking about in South Africa has come about at the cost of lots of people dying compared to how many people were dying in the years leading up to covid. Its had one of the worst death rates from COVID in Africa.

So by "positive outcomes" you probably mean "positive outcomes now after a world of shit" or would if you knew how bad things have been in South Africa since covid started.

Also, right now in South Africa they have the highest infection rate they've ever had.

Have a look at the first graph on this page, a graph of daily cases:

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus/ ... uth-africa

This outbreak has seen the highest infection rate ever in South Africa. The line is almost vertical in the graph on the page above. So if South Africa is having such "positive outcomes" its while they have their highest rate of infection ever.

The only positive is Omicron has evolved in a way that it seems to struggle to bind to Ace2 in the lungs even tho it multiplies far more in the upper respiratory tract. So its not as bad for you. Somewhere in this thread I (probably) said the real problem with covid isn't that its "flu-like" but that its a potentially systemic disease that can fuck you up in any number of vital organs including your brain or your heart - you know, how the spike protein in the vaccine is sposed to be cytotoxic to all these cells and has the potential for causing systemic illness thru side effects but somehow the virus isn't.

It doesn't seem to be a systemic disease any more since Omicron has come along.

Also, you constantly criticise vaccines if they fail to prevent any infection, act as if they prevent no infection when its demonstrated they provide some at least, but claim the infection rate in South Africa, where infection rates are almost a vertical line on a graph, the most intense its been, is some sort of positive outcome and that is the model we should have followed.

They've already had a large excess death rate and now they have an insane rate of infection. (If omnicon covid was a bad for people as MERS over a third of the South African population would be dead by NYE and the rest of the world would be following.)

The excess mortality rates given between jan 5 2020 - dec 5 2021 - https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid

South Africa: jan 5 2020 = 3%, dec 5(? they don't give specific) 2021= 16%, +13%, relative change = 502%
United Kingdom: jan 5 2020 = <1%, nov 28th = 11%, +10%, relative change = 1,938%

Covid-19 deaths per capita - https://www.statista.com/statistics/110 ... habitants/

South Africa: covid deaths per million = 1,539
United Kingdom: covid deaths per million = 2,184

We could get into a debate about demographical variables like age or any number of factors. But I do not wish to do this. So by all means engage with this data, just leave me out of it. I just googled and clicked the first results.

I only shit on the vaccine because the people mandating it have falsely claimed it reduces spread more than natural acquired immunity and use this as a basis to lock unvaccinated people out of society. You make it seem like I'm flinging shit at people minding their own business. Like most people I just want to be left alone. If they won't leave me alone then I will make it my business to ensure they lose every shred of credibility I can strip from them through a relentless counter attack of propaganda.

If people want to have consenual BDSM with the pharmacuticals industry that is none of my business. But once it's mandated it becomes a rape. And I will rape the mind of those advocating to rape my body.

[Joe Hillshoist]

There has been a huge number of excess deaths in South Africa over the last 18 - 24 months.

Everything you're talking about in South Africa has come about at the cost of lots of people dying compared to how many people were dying in the years leading up to covid. Its had one of the worst death rates from COVID in Africa.

So by "positive outcomes" you probably mean "positive outcomes now after a world of shit" or would if you knew how bad things have been in South Africa since covid started.

Also, right now in South Africa they have the highest infection rate they've ever had.

Have a look at the first graph on this page, a graph of daily cases:

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavirus/ ... uth-africa

This outbreak has seen the highest infection rate ever in South Africa. The line is almost vertical in the graph on the page above. So if South Africa is having such "positive outcomes" its while they have their highest rate of infection ever.

The only positive is Omicron has evolved in a way that it seems to struggle to bind to Ace2 in the lungs even tho it multiplies far more in the upper respiratory tract. So its not as bad for you. Somewhere in this thread I (probably) said the real problem with covid isn't that its "flu-like" but that its a potentially systemic disease that can fuck you up in any number of vital organs including your brain or your heart - you know, how the spike protein in the vaccine is sposed to be cytotoxic to all these cells and has the potential for causing systemic illness thru side effects but somehow the virus isn't.

It doesn't seem to be a systemic disease any more since Omicron has come along.

Also, you constantly criticise vaccines if they fail to prevent any infection, act as if they prevent no infection when its demonstrated they provide some at least, but claim the infection rate in South Africa, where infection rates are almost a vertical line on a graph, the most intense its been, is some sort of positive outcome and that is the model we should have followed.

They've already had a large excess death rate and now they have an insane rate of infection. (If omnicon covid was a bad for people as MERS over a third of the South African population would be dead by NYE and the rest of the world would be following.)

The excess mortality rates given between jan 5 2020 - dec 5 2021 - https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid

South Africa: jan 5 2020 = 3%, dec 5(? they don't give specific) 2021= 16%, +13%, relative change = 502%
United Kingdom: jan 5 2020 = <1%, nov 28th = 11%, +10%, relative change = 1,938%

Covid-19 deaths per capita - https://www.statista.com/statistics/110 ... habitants/

South Africa: covid deaths per million = 1,539
United Kingdom: covid deaths per million = 2,184

We could get into a debate about demographical variables like age or any number of factors. But I do not wish to do this. So by all means engage with this data, just leave me out of it. I just googled and clicked the first results.

I only shit on the vaccine because the people mandating it have falsely claimed it reduces spread more than natural acquired immunity and use this as a basis to lock unvaccinated people out of society. You make it seem like I'm flinging shit at people minding their own business. Like most people I just want to be left alone. If they won't leave me alone then I will make it my business to ensure they lose every shred of credibility I can strip from them through a relentless counter attack of propaganda.

If people want to have consenual BDSM with the pharmacuticals industry that is none of my business. But once it's mandated it becomes a rape. And I will rape the mind of those advocating to rape my body.

okay so first up when I said this:

Also, you constantly criticise vaccines if they fail to prevent any infection, act as if they prevent no infection when its demonstrated they provide some at least, but claim the infection rate in South Africa, where infection rates are almost a vertical line on a graph, the most intense its been, is some sort of positive outcome and that is the model we should have followed.

I meant this:

Also, you lot constantly criticise vaccines if they fail to prevent any infection, act as if they prevent no infection when its demonstrated they provide some at least, but claim the infection rate in South Africa, where infection rates are almost a vertical line on a graph, the most intense its been, is some sort of positive outcome and that is the model we should have followed.

I didn't just mean you.

Anyway...

I use excess deaths from all causes as my estimate of what's going on with the pandemic. There is no way all covid deaths are recorded as covid deaths for a start, especially in areas like Africa where surveillence of populations isn't on the same level as the west. But even in the west ... its probably only countries with low death rates that have accurate counts. By those metrics there are about 4000 excess deaths per million in South Africa since covid started. Most of them are probably due to covid. Its an estimate but its probably closer than most official estimates.

In the UK the number is probably closer to half that.

I only shit on the vaccine because the people mandating it have falsely claimed it reduces spread more than natural acquired immunity and use this as a basis to lock unvaccinated people out of society.

Then shit on the people mandating it for behaving like fuckwits. That's fair enough. You can make a reasonable argument about that.

Same goes for people who say natural immunity is somehow non existent or even less effective than vaccination. They might make arguments about social responsibility or whatever but the evidence emerging about mRNA vaccines and adverse effects in young men is certainly a good counter argument to that. Then again we expect young men to die in war or at work in unsafe working conditions for our corporate masters so people might not be that sympathetic.

There is no positive outcome from south africa that has anything to do with them not vaccinating everyone they could that doesn't also have the negative outcome of an extra 4000 deaths per million people. S. Africa has a population of 60 million people, so nearly a quarter of a million people died since covid started that wouldn't have died in the years leading up to it.

If you use that idea of a "positive outcome" in those circumstances to question the idea of mandates or vaccine safety you are going to lose everyone who might otherwise listen.

[drstrangelove]

We don't need to argue this. We can just observe what is about to happen to both lowly and highly vaccinated populations.

This is science. Observation over time. We are about to observe whether or not the vaccines work, or if they don't work, or if they make things worse.

Or are you saying that no matter what happens, this cannot be discerned as it has already been determined?

[drstrangelove]

‘It’s a first’: Gauteng’s hospital data on Omicron now too good to ignore
Whichever way you look at the hospitalisation data coming from Gauteng, there are positive signs running through the charts and graphs. Case rates and mortality figures are also giving us all some much-needed hope:

The rapid increase in cases HAS NOT transferred proportionally into hospitalisations and deaths.
Although hospital admissions are starting to rise slighty, they’re much smaller than what has been seen in previous waves.
The same goes for mortality rates. They are flat when compared to the past three surges of COVID.
Gauteng is starting to see a decrease in cases now, too – meaning hospitalisations will soon peak here, too.
The average stay in hospital for patients is now down to ‘three or four days’ – HALF of what was seen during the Delta wave.
The NICD conclude that deaths amongst hospital patients are now 65% to 70% LOWER than before.

- https://www.thesouthafrican.com/news/br ... -december/

Omicron could redefine ‘fully vaccinated’ to include a booster dose
Anthony S. Fauci, the nation’s top infectious-disease expert, said that the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention was open to changing the definition of fully vaccinated to include booster shots. The matter was “on the table,” he said Friday on CNBC’s “Squawk Box,” though he said he was not sure “exactly when that will happen.”

. . .

New York Gov. Kathy Hochul (D) said last week on MSNBC that she was “working on” expanding the definition of being fully vaccinated to include booster shots in the state. “I believe that should happen, and we’ll make it happen in New York,” she said, while noting that her administration was seeking a way to accommodate people who were recently vaccinated and not yet eligible for a booster shot.

Several countries have made the shift. Israel has begun requiring a booster shot to maintain a valid “Green Pass," the country’s proof of vaccination, which is required for entry to restaurants and event venues. South Korea on Monday will begin a similar measure, requiring a booster shot within six months of the original regimen, and officials in other countries have indicated they could follow suit.
Singapore’s health minister, Ong Ye Kung, said at a news conference Tuesday that a booster shot will be necessary to be considered fully vaccinated, a status required for test-free entry to spaces like restaurants, with officials there working to determine the period after which that status would lapse. In Austria, a negative coronavirus test will be required for international arrivals who have not received booster shots, Bloomberg reported.

- https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2 ... efinition/

[Grizzly]

Nigerian Pfizer victims' compensation fears

Who was it that said, "these motherfucker's have names and address's" ...

[MayDay]

It's been quite a trip watching the evolution of the plandemic narrative here. Thank you everyone who challenges the lies and distortions of the dominant narrative, and woe to those who oppose you. Why are they even here? And where did they go? Their narrative no longer holds water here, so they mostly abandoned ship.

[norton ash]

Ontario today.

https://covid19tracker.ca/?fbclid=IwAR2 ... Gnzkj-_mLI

Cases 649943 (+4177 today)
Tests 20537791 (+51151 today)
Vax Doses Administered 25315780 (+140827 today)

Hospitalizations 283 (-99 today)
Critical Cases 159 (+5 today)
Deaths 10113 (+2 today)
Recoveries 618983 (+1210 today)
Deaths so far 68.2 per 100k .0682% of Ontario population

Lopsided. 'Cases', tests and 3rd jabs are booming, sickness and death... not so much. Omicron hysteria has seized our media and public health authorities.

Edit to add: Ontario has a population of 18 million.

[Harvey]

Who was it that said, "these motherfucker's have names and address's" ...

I have heard stories from former soldiers about one or two who use their skills to even the score now and then.