Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

[stickdog99]

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[stickdog99]

Even MSDNC is starting to capitulate!

[Joe Hillshoist]

https://www.juliusruechel.com/2021/09/the-snake-oil-salesmen-and-covid-zero.html

The Snake-Oil Salesmen and the COVID-Zero Con: A Classic Bait-And-Switch for a Lifetime of Booster Shots (Immunity as a Service)

If a plumber with a lifetime of experience were to tell you that water runs uphill, you would know he is lying and that the lie is not accidental. It is a lie with a purpose. If you can also demonstrate that the plumber knows in advance that the product he is promoting with that lie is snake oil, you have evidence for a deliberate con. And once you understand what's really inside that bottle of snake oil, you will begin to understand the purpose of the con.

You can make water move against gravity using surface tension. And snake oil, or goanna oil does work. You need to know how to make them tho and its not easy, nor is it able to be produced in mass amounts. A massive (four feet long) goanna will produce a vial with less than 50ml of proper oil. it comes from an organ or attachment to an organ in their body that mammals don't have. However Its probably impossible to produce the oil in commercial amounts and its really hard to store.

One of the most common reasons given for mass COVID vaccinations is the idea that if we reach herd immunity through vaccination, we can starve the virus out of existence and get our lives back. It's the COVID-Zero strategy or some variant of it.

By now it is abundantly clear from the epidemiological data that the vaccinated are able to both catch and spread the disease. Clearly vaccination isn't going to make this virus disappear. Only a mind that has lost its grasp on reality can fail to see how ridiculous all this has become.

In Australia for as long as I can remember the vaccines were acknowledged to protect against severe disease not transmission.

But a tour through pre-COVID science demonstrates that, from day one, long before you and I had even heard of this virus, it was 100% inevitable and 100% predictable that these vaccines would never be capable of eradicating this coronavirus and would never lead to any kind of lasting herd immunity.

See immediately above....

Even worse, lockdowns and mass vaccination have created a dangerous set of circumstances that interferes with our immune system's ability to protect us against other respiratory viruses. They also risk driving the evolution of this virus towards mutations that are more dangerous to both the vaccinated and the unvaccinated alike. Lockdowns, mass vaccinations, and mass booster shots were never capable of delivering on any of the promises that were made to the public.

Mechanisms please.

Otherwise lockdowns and mass vaccination don't do that. One might do one thing, the other might do something else but together they don't cause that effect. Its no different to Mainstream Fear Mongering to build a market.

And yet, vaccination has been successfully used to control measles and even to eradicate smallpox. So, why not COVID? Immunity is immunity, and a virus is a virus is a virus, right? Wrong! Reality is far more complicated... and more interesting.

This is not to say that there aren't plenty of other opportunists taking advantage of this crisis to pursue other agendas and to tip society into a full-blown police state. One thing quickly morphs into another. But this essay demonstrates that never-ending boosters were the initial motive for this global social-engineering shell game ― the subscription-based business model, adapted for the pharmaceutical industry. "Immunity as a service".

Not arguing with this but there are plenty of people, even the WHO and vaccine makers arguing against ongoing boosters. Only people owned by Pfizer are arguing for them.

[b]SARS: The Exception to the Rule?

This all sounds well and good, but the original SARS virus did disappear, with public health measures like contact tracing and strict quarantine measures taking the credit. However, SARS was the exception to the rule. When it made the species jump to humans, it was so poorly adapted to its new human hosts that it had terrible difficulty spreading. This very poor level of adaptation gave SARS a rather unique combination of properties:

SARS was extremely difficult to catch (it was never very contagious)
SARS made people extremely sick.
SARS did not have pre-symptomatic spread.

These three conditions made the SARS outbreak easy to control through contact tracing and through the quarantine of symptomatic individuals. SARS therefore never reached the point where it circulated widely among asymptomatic community members.

All true but also only true with hindsight.... bfd - using hindsight like this is bullshit and not hoinest.

By contrast, by January/February of 2020 it was clear from experiences in China, Italy, and the outbreak on the Diamond Princess cruise ship (more on that story later) that the unique combination of conditions that made SARS controllable were not going to be the case with COVID. COVID was quite contagious (its rapid spread showed that COVID was already well adapted to spreading easily among its new human hosts), most people would have mild or no symptoms from COVID (making containment impossible), and that it was spreading by aerosols produced by both symptomatic and pre-symptomatic people (making contact tracing a joke).

In other words, it was clear by January/February 2020 that this pandemic would follow the normal rules of a readily transmissible respiratory epidemic, which cannot be reined in the way SARS was. Thus, by January/February of 2020, giving the public the impression that the SARS experience could be replicated for COVID was a deliberate lie - this genie was never going back inside the bottle.

In Australia we've contained multiple outbreaks using lockdowns and quarantine.

[b]Fast Mutations: The Fantasy of Control through Herd Immunity

Once a reasonably contagious respiratory virus begins circulating widely in a community, herd immunity can never be maintained for very long. RNA respiratory viruses (such as influenza viruses, respiratory syncytial virus (RSV), rhinoviruses, and coronaviruses) all mutate extremely fast compared to viruses like smallpox, measles, or polio. Understanding the difference between something like measles and a virus like COVID is key to understanding the con that is being perpetrated by our health institutions. Bear with me here, I promise not to get too technical.

All viruses survive by creating copies of themselves. And there are always a lot of "imperfect copies" — mutations — produced by the copying process itself. Among RNA respiratory viruses these mutations stack up so quickly that there is rapid genetic drift, which continually produces new strains. Variants are normal. Variants are expected. Variants make it virtually impossible to build the impenetrable wall of long-lasting herd immunity required to starve these respiratory viruses out of existence. That's one of several reasons why flu vaccines don't provide long-lasting immunity and have to be repeated annually ― our immune system constantly needs to be updated to keep pace with the inevitable evolution of countless unnamed "variants."

This isn't exactly true. Herd immunity to colds and flus exists to a point. One of the reasons the Spanish Flu hit the young was their lack of previous immunity.

This never-ending conveyor belt of mutations means that everyone's immunity to COVID was always only going to be temporary and only offer partial cross-reactive protection against future re-infections. Thus, from day one, COVID vaccination was always doomed to the same fate as the flu vaccine ― a lifelong regimen of annual booster shots to try to keep pace with "variants" for those unwilling to expose themselves to the risk of a natural infection. And the hope that by the time the vaccines (and their booster shots) roll off the production line, they won't already be out of date when confronted by the current generation of virus mutations.

Again, not exactly true and he'll contradict it when he mentions later in the article that people have lifelong T and B Cell immunity after the Spanish flu.

For example, before a virus can hijack the DNA of a host cell to begin making copies of itself, the virus needs to unlock the cell wall to gain entry. Cellular walls are made of proteins and are coated by sugars; viruses need to find a way to create a doorway through that protein wall. A virus like influenza uses a very simple strategy to get inside ― it locks onto one of the sugars on the outside of the cell wall in order to piggyback a ride as the sugar is absorbed into the cell (cells use sugar as their energy source). It's such a simple strategy that it allows the influenza virus to go through lots of mutations without losing its ability to gain entry to the cell. Influenza's simplicity makes it very adaptable and allows many different types of mutations to thrive as long as they all use the same piggyback entry strategy to get inside host cells.

What is stopping the flu from mutating to no longer be able to bind to sugar and hide from the immune system while piggybacking into a host cell?

This kind of mutation process seems to be what has turned covid from a systemic disease to one that stays predominantly in the upper respiratory tract.

By contrast, something like the measles virus uses a highly specialized and very complicated strategy to gain entry to a host cell. It relies on very specialized surface proteins to break open a doorway into the host cell. It's a very rigid and complex system that doesn't leave a lot of room for errors in the copying process. Even minor mutations to the measles virus will cause changes to its surface proteins, leaving it unable to gain access to a host cell to make more copies of itself. Thus, even if there are lots of mutations, those mutations are almost all evolutionary dead ends, thus preventing genetic drift. That's one of several reasons why both a natural infection and vaccination against measles creates lifetime immunity ― immunity lasts because new variations don't change much over time.

So why do flu's generate long term immunity in some people. He'll get into this later but it undermines his argument.

Once you got immunity to smallpox, measles, or polio, you had full protection for a few decades and were protected against severe illness or death for the rest of your life. But for fast-mutating respiratory viruses, including coronaviruses, within a few months they are sufficiently different that your previously acquired immunity will only ever offer partial protection against your next exposure. The fast rate of mutation ensures that you never catch the exact same cold or flu twice, just their closely related constantly evolving cousins. What keeps you from feeling the full brunt of each new infection is cross-reactive immunity, which is another part of the story of how you are being conned, which I will come back to shortly.

Ah so reactive cross immunity is what keeps you safe ... lol wut?

Blind Faith in Central Planning: The Fantasy of Timely Doses

But let's pretend for a moment that a miraculous vaccine could be developed that could give us all 100% sterilizing immunity today. The length of time it takes to manufacture and ship 8 billion doses (and then make vaccination appointments for 8 billion people) ensures that by the time the last person gets their last dose, the never-ending conveyor belt of mutations will have already rendered the vaccine partially ineffective. True sterilizing immunity simply won't ever happen with coronaviruses. The logistics of rolling out vaccines to 8 billion people meant that none of our vaccine makers or public health authorities ever could have genuinely believed that vaccines would create lasting herd immunity against COVID.

We've done 4 billion in a year despite artificial barriers to worldwide production caused by IP rights held by vaccine companies. So maybe he is wrong about this.

So, for a multitude of reasons, it was a deliberate lie to give the public the impression that if enough people take the vaccine, it would create lasting herd immunity. It was 100% certain, from day one, that by the time the last dose is administered, the rapid evolution of the virus would ensure that it would already be time to start thinking about booster shots. Exactly like the flu shot. Exactly the opposite of a measles vaccine. Vaccines against respiratory viruses can never provide anything more than a temporary cross-reactive immunity "update" ― they are merely a synthetic replacement for your annual natural exposure to the smorgasbord of cold and flu viruses. Immunity as a service, imposed on society by trickery. The only question was always, how long between booster shots? Weeks, months, years?

Feeling conned yet?

Only by this article.... long term T and B cell responses are not cross reactive immunity but the will protect against covid.

Ideally you want a vaccine to protect against systemic infection followed by a natural infection that stays long enough to stimulate a response against the other proteins the virus expresses. Whole virus attenuated vaccines may do this anyway.

Spiked: The Fantasy of Preventing Infection

The current crop of COVID vaccines was never designed to provide sterilizing immunity - that's not how they work. They are merely a tool designed to teach the immune system to attack the S-spike protein, thereby priming the immune system to reduce the severity of infection in preparation for your inevitable future encounter with the real virus. They were never capable of preventing infection, nor of preventing spread. They were merely designed to reduce your chance of being hospitalized or dying if you are infected. As former FDA commissioner Scott Gottlieb, who is on Pfizer’s board, said: "the original premise behind these vaccines were [sic] that they would substantially reduce the risk of death and severe disease and hospitalization. And that was the data that came out of the initial clinical trials.” Every first-year medical student knows that you cannot get herd immunity from a vaccine that does not stop infection.

Repeating himself so I will. This was acknowledged in my country from the very outset? Is it different elsewhere? (Admittedlty I don't follow the MSM so maybe they say something else, but nearlky everyone I know already knew this. Even people who won't take the vaccine.) Its why we targeted the most vulnerable people for vaccination first. (Supposedly, this process was subverted in Australia to ensure the wealthy got vaccinated before the most vulnerable btw.)

Antibodies, B-Cells, and T-Cells: Why Immunity to Respiratory Viruses Fades So Quickly

There are multiple interconnected parts to why immunity to COVID, or any other respiratory virus, is always only temporary. Not only is the virus constantly mutating but immunity itself fades over time, not unlike the way our brains start forgetting how to do complicated math problems unless they keep practicing. This is true for both immunity acquired through natural infection and immunity acquired through vaccination.

Our immune systems have a kind of immunological memory ― basically, how long does your immune system remember how to launch an attack against a specific kind of threat. That memory fades over time. For some vaccines, like diphtheria and tetanus, that immunological memory fades very slowly. The measles vaccine protects for life. But for others, like the flu vaccine, that immunological memory fades very quickly.


The solution to this strange phenomenon lies in the different types of immune system responses that are triggered by a vaccine (or by exposure to the real thing through a natural infection). This has big implications for coronavirus vaccines, but I'll get to that in a moment. First a little background information...

Our immune system relies on a similar kind of layered system of defense. In addition to various non-specific rapid response layers that take out the brigands, like natural killer cells, macrophages, mast cells, and so on, we also have many adaptive (specialized) layers of antibodies (i.e. IgA, IgG, IgM immunoglobulin) and various types of highly specialized white blood cells, like B-cells and T-cells. Some antibodies are released by regular B-cells. Others are released by blood plasma. Then there are memory B-cells, which are capable of remembering previous threats and creating new antibodies long after the original antibodies fade away. And there are various types of T-cells (again with various degrees of immunological memory), like natural killer T-cells, killer T-cells, and helper T-cells, all of which play various roles in detecting and neutralizing invaders. [b]In short, the greater the threat, the more troops are called into the fight.

This is clearly a gross oversimplification of all the different interconnected parts of our immune system, but the point is that a mild infection doesn't trigger as many layers whereas a severe infection enlists the help of deeper layers, which are slower to respond but are much more specialized in their attack capabilities. And if those deeper adaptive layers get involved, they are capable of retaining a memory of the threat in order to be able to mount a quicker attack if a repeat attack is recognized in the future. That's why someone who was infected by the dangerous Spanish Flu in 1918 might still have measurable T-cell immunity a century later but the mild bout of winter flu you had a couple of years ago might not have triggered T-cell immunity, even though both may have been caused by versions of the same H1N1 influenza virus.

He'll need a source for this because a mild flu usually means you have immunity capable of preventing it becoming serious.

As a rule of thumb, the broader the immune response, the longer immunological memory will last. Antibodies fade in a matter of months, whereas B-cell and T-cell immunity can last a lifetime.

Another rule of thumb is that a higher viral load puts more strain on your immune defenses, thus overwhelming the rapid response layers and forcing the immune system to enlist the deeper adaptive layers. That's why nursing homes and hospitals are more dangerous places for vulnerable people than backyard barbeques. That's why feedlot cattle are more vulnerable to viral diseases than cattle on pasture. Viral load matters a lot to how easily the generalist layers are overwhelmed and how much effort your immune system has to make to neutralize a threat.

This is the bit that inspired me to respond. Your adaptive immune system's effectiveness wanes with age. In fact the graph measuring your adaptive immune system's effectiveness mirrors the graph for age related death from covid almost exactly.

So the reason people in nursing homes and hospitals are more vulnerable is because their adaptive immune system is less able to respond to the infection. High viral loads are a problem for everyone.

Catching a dangerous disease like measles produces lifetime immunity because an infection triggers all the deep layers that will retain a memory of how to fight off future encounters with the virus. So does the measles vaccine. Catching a cold or mild flu generally does not.

From an evolutionary point of view, this actually makes a lot of sense. Why waste valuable resources developing long-lasting immunity (i.e. training archers and building catapults) to defend against a virus that did not put you in mortal danger? A far better evolutionary strategy is to evolve a narrower generalist immune response to mild infections (i.e. most cold and flu viruses), which fades quickly once the threat is conquered, but invest in deep long-term broad-based immunity to dangerous infections, which lasts a very long time in case that threat is ever spotted on the horizon again. Considering the huge number of threats our immune systems face, this strategy avoids the trap of spreading immunological memory too thin. Our immunological memory resources are not limitless - long-term survival requires prioritizing our immunological resources.

Because covid is a novel virus its foolish to make these assumptions that its just like flu. There are only so many proteins and we've already been exposed to some coronaviruses (4 are endemic) so it may have been the case but its a guess. Especially as it binds to a receptor in epithelial cells that are in all major vital organs.

The take-home lesson is that vaccines will, at best, only last as long as immunity acquired through natural infection and will often fade much faster because the vaccine is often only able to trigger a partial immune response compared to the actual infection. So, if the disease itself doesn't produce a broad-based immune response leading to long-lasting immunity, neither will the vaccine. And in most cases, immunity acquired through vaccination will begin to fade much sooner than immunity acquired through a natural infection. Every vaccine maker and public health official knows this despite bizarrely claiming that the COVID vaccines (based on re-creating the S-protein spike instead of using a whole virus) would somehow become the exception to the rule. That was a lie, and they knew it from day one. That should set your alarm bells ringing at full throttle.

I question the accuracy of this statement.

So, with this little bit of background knowledge under our belts, let's look at what our public health officials and vaccine makers would have known in advance about coronaviruses and coronavirus vaccines when they told us back in the early Spring of 2020 that COVID vaccines were the path back to normality.

From a 2003 study [my emphasis]: "Until SARS appeared, human coronaviruses were known as the cause of 15–30% of colds... Colds are generally mild, self-limited infections, and significant increases in neutralizing antibody titer are found in nasal secretions and serum after infection. Nevertheless, some unlucky individuals can be reinfected with the same coronavirus soon after recovery and get symptoms again."

In other words, the coronaviruses involved in colds (there were four human coronaviruses before SARS, MERS, and COVID) all trigger such a weak immune response that they do not lead to any long-lasting immunity whatsoever. And why would they if, for most of us, the threat is so minimal that the generalists are perfectly capable of neutralizing the attack.

This isn't true. If they enter your lungs they create much broader responses and those four corona viruses are capable of entering the lungs. (They don't bind to epithelial cells with the same virulence and potential for damage tho.) they are also capable or killing people tho its rare.

Bear in mind that, as with all diseases, re-infection does not mean you are necessarily going to get full-blown SARS; fading immunity after a natural infection tends to offer at least some level of partial protection against severe outcomes for a considerable amount of time after you can already be reinfected and spread it to others - more on that later.

Soi vaccines do work?

BTW Cattle are never measured for long term immunity after vaccine cos they're dead and eaten...

The only rational reason why the WHO and public health officials would withhold all that contextual information from the public as they rolled out lockdowns and held forth vaccines as an exit strategy was to whip the public into irrational fear in order to be able to make a dishonest case for mass vaccination when they should have, at most, been focused on providing focused vaccination of the most vulnerable only. That deception was the Trojan Horse to introduce endless mass booster shots as immunity inevitably fades and as new variants replace old ones.

Considering people from the WHO have said boosters are unnecessary and prevent people in poorer nations accessing vaccines how accurate is this guy? The rest of what he says is true in this comment tho, if he'd mentioned the CDC or certain national authorities in thrall to Pfizer instead I'd have had no problem with it.

The rest of this will have to wait for next year. But this article is chock full of subtle disinfo as well.

[stickdog99]

Really?

[MacCruiskeen]

English LIVESTREAM of the 85th weekly Hearing held by Germany's independent Corona Commission (with the lawyers Dr Reiner Füllmich & Dr Viviane Fischer and the medic Dr Wolfgang Wodarg):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VJIBYSJ-3yc
or
https://odysee.com/@Corona-Investigativ ... ee:5/s85:b
or
https://dlive.tv/CoronaInvestigative

Currently interviewing:

- Dr Sam White, an English GP who had been suspended for Coupvid-heresy by the GMC (General Medical Council), but who recently won his case in the High Court against the bastards.

- Dipali Ojha, Advocate at the Indian Bar Association and legal representative for the many "vaccine"-injured in India.

[Iamwhomiam]

YouTube account closed, and odysee & dlive livestreams Mac's referred us to have ended. However, a commentator offered a link where you can view a replay on dlive:

https://dlive.tv/p/coronainvestigative+stQMyOA7g

[PufPuf93]

Really?

Joe has a much better grasp of science than you do. Do not mean to hurt your feelings or question your motive. Obvious you spend lots of time at this.

[Harvey]

Saying it is one thing but proof is what you value. Where is yours?

[PufPuf93]

Saying it is one thing but proof is what you value. Where is yours?

I am just another anonymous voice on the internet, Harvey.

What we share is that we have been at and enjoyed RI for years.

One develops an idea of the various posters over time.

Joe reiterated what I had previously stated about the ubiquity of viruses in soil.

[Harvey]

Joe reiterated what I had previously stated about the ubiquity of viruses in soil.

^ A couple of years ago I would have agreed that this made perfect sense to me. But, given the torrent of bullshit over the last two years, and that you haven't been able to explain how you know that viruses exist, is it possible you are both wrong? If it is possible you are both wrong then we are discussing belief systems and probabilities. If it is not possible that you are both wrong then it should also be possible to explain why you both cannot be wrong.

[MacCruiskeen]

Joe reiterated what I had previously stated about the ubiquity of viruses in soil.

^ A couple of years ago I would have agreed that this made perfect sense to me. But, given the torrent of bullshit over the last two years, and that you haven't been able to explain how you know that viruses exist, is it possible you are both wrong? If it is possible you are both wrong then we are discussing belief systems and probabilities. If it is not possible that you are both wrong then it should also be possible to explain why you both cannot be wrong.

Before Herr Professor Dr Dr von Hllsheust comes blundering in here again, let's clarify the question. The question is not: Do viruses exist? The questions are: Exactly what are we talking about when we talk about "viruses"? Exactly where is the proof that any particular "virus" a) originated outside the body and b) caused a certain illness?

Since PufPuf93 resorted immediately to that bastion of eternally trustworthy Science, Wikipedia, here's what Wiki has to tell us about the remarkable human virome:

Viruses evolve rapidly and hence the human virome changes constantly.[7] Every human being has a unique virome with a unique balance of species.[4][8] Lifestyle, age, geographic location, and even the season of the year can affect an individual's exposure to viruses, and one's susceptibility to any disease that might be caused by those viruses is also affected by pre-existing immunity and both viral and human genetics.[9]

The human virome is far from being completely explored and new viruses are discovered frequently. Unlike the roughly 40 trillion bacteria in a typical human microbiome,[10] an estimate of the number of viral particles in a healthy adult human is not yet available, although virions generally outnumber individual bacteria 10:1 in nature.[11]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_virome

Humans would not and could not exist without viruses.

[Iamwhomiam]

Joe reiterated what I had previously stated about the ubiquity of viruses in soil.

^ A couple of years ago I would have agreed that this made perfect sense to me. But, given the torrent of bullshit over the last two years, and that you haven't been able to explain how you know that viruses exist, is it possible you are both wrong? If it is possible you are both wrong then we are discussing belief systems and probabilities. If it is not possible that you are both wrong then it should also be possible to explain why you both cannot be wrong.

Harvey, the simplest way to end this argument would be for you to prove that viruses do not exist, rather than continue with the needless browbeating. Considering most have ignored the photographic evidence I provided that proves viruses do exist, and that "the science" is unbelievable, and that Dr Malone, a virologist, also believes viruses exist, and now Mac, too, seems to agree they exist, why be persistent when no one here has the expertise to either prove or disprove this. I believe viruses exist; do you? If not, why not?

[PufPuf93]

Joe reiterated what I had previously stated about the ubiquity of viruses in soil.

^ A couple of years ago I would have agreed that this made perfect sense to me. But, given the torrent of bullshit over the last two years, and that you haven't been able to explain how you know that viruses exist, is it possible you are both wrong? If it is possible you are both wrong then we are discussing belief systems and probabilities. If it is not possible that you are both wrong then it should also be possible to explain why you both cannot be wrong.

Before Herr Professor Dr Dr von Hllsheust comes blundering in here again, let's clarify the question. The question is not: Do viruses exist? The questions are: Exactly what are we talking about when we talk about "viruses"? Exactly where is the proof that they a) originate outside the body and b) cause illness?

Since PufPuf93 resorted immediately to that bastion of eternally trustworthy Science, Wikipedia, here's what Wiki has to tell us about the remarkable human virome:

Viruses evolve rapidly and hence the human virome changes constantly.[7] Every human being has a unique virome with a unique balance of species.[4][8] Lifestyle, age, geographic location, and even the season of the year can affect an individual's exposure to viruses, and one's susceptibility to any disease that might be caused by those viruses is also affected by pre-existing immunity and both viral and human genetics.[9]

The human virome is far from being completely explored and new viruses are discovered frequently. Unlike the roughly 40 trillion bacteria in a typical human microbiome,[10] an estimate of the number of viral particles in a healthy adult human is not yet available, although virions generally outnumber individual bacteria 10:1 in nature.[11]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_virome

Humans would not and could not exist without viruses.

Wiki is easy to use.

What I did say in that post was,

"You are welcome, Mac.

"Viruses exist. There is a huge research and applied science history of viruses. Many lives have been saved, improved, or prolonged with this research. There have also been dead ends and mistakes (and humanity could be in such a position now).

What I see is that cv19 has been politicized and weaponized to foment chaos and that there are those that await such opportunities so to benefit as the expense of the many. Hard to envision how and when this will end. Could be cv19 gets put on backburner because of major war or nations that collapse.

Think it wrong to demonize Fauci. Have had the three Moderna shots (high risk as chemo for NHL twice since 2018 plus several cancer surgeries and diabetes II. Live in the boondocks so easy to isolate and was actually a rest from the medical merry-go-round).

Here is wiki on viruses. Imagining that viruses don't exist is akin to taking a flat earth seriously."

Viruses are ubiquitous where there is life on Earth. I cited the example of in excess of 10 million viruses in 1 teaspoon of soil.

[MacCruiskeen]

ffs

[PufPuf93]

ffs

Please define ffs Mac.