Coronavirus Crisis: Main Thread

[stickdog99]

A New Years' Message from RFK, Jr.

[stickdog99]

Really?

Joe has a much better grasp of science than you do. Do not mean to hurt your feelings or question your motive. Obvious you spend lots of time at this.

LOL. I teach doctors. What do you do?

[PufPuf93]

Really?

Joe has a much better grasp of science than you do. Do not mean to hurt your feelings or question your motive. Obvious you spend lots of time at this.

LOL. I teach doctors. What do you do?

Absolutely nothing. Retreated to the mountains I call home in 2003 and have seldom left since. Did not see a chain store nor a stop light between late 2013 and November 2017.

December 2017 found out had non-Hodgkin's lymphoma, been traveling to Humboldt Bay since for chemo, surgery, and other treatment; had another surgery near Sacramento in early 2020.

Have a hard time thinking you teach doctors given what you post at RI.

I am well educated and did work within or with the science community.

[Joe Hillshoist]

Joe reiterated what I had previously stated about the ubiquity of viruses in soil.

^ A couple of years ago I would have agreed that this made perfect sense to me. But, given the torrent of bullshit over the last two years, and that you haven't been able to explain how you know that viruses exist, is it possible you are both wrong? If it is possible you are both wrong then we are discussing belief systems and probabilities. If it is not possible that you are both wrong then it should also be possible to explain why you both cannot be wrong.

Of course its possible we're both wrong but the odds of it are incredibly low.

What torrent of bullshit specifically?

Like what are your sources? Do you read published scienbtific papers of media that reports on them. There is a difference and media is always at odds in some way with the data in papers. Often negligible ways but often not.

Before we go any further can you do me a favour?

Explain what you think my position is on covid? The whole thing fro day one.

[Joe Hillshoist]

Really?

Joe has a much better grasp of science than you do. Do not mean to hurt your feelings or question your motive. Obvious you spend lots of time at this.

LOL. I teach doctors. What do you do?

What do you teach them?






What are you saying "Really" to?

You want to post that much data and expect it to be assessed in a twitter post?

How can you post that much info and not expect it to be taken apart bit by bit?

How else can we do it?

Its unreasonable to present so much info and have it all interconnected like that. Its a form of brainwashing. There is too much complexity to follow the article without a flow chart. So unless you have one and Fisk the fuck out of it its impossible to keep an accurate track of the claims and counter claims. They blend into a mishmash of things that seem to hold each other up by the bootstraps but don't necessarily.

That article should be four separate posts, each building an argument that complements the others and a fifth article drawing them together ... and it would be if its purpose was education not obfuscation. But if its that clear and concise the flaws in the reasoning will stand out.

The longer it takes for someone to make their point the more likely it is that they are talking shit.

Anyway it looks like he is wrong. Data from South Africa is showing that protection (against serious illness) from previous infection or vaccination is still strong and dependent on t and b cell responses (that in some cases were a response to the original "wild type" (lol) infections) not humeral immunity and immediate antibody responses.

Despite the 30+ mutations on the spike protein between the original strain and Omni-con.

[Joe Hillshoist]

Finally....


Has anyone spotted the subtle programming in the references to "wild type" covid as the original strain of virus.

[Belligerent Savant]

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A brief drive-by here to offer the following reiteration, given recent commentary:


All federal/govt-imposed policies/mandates and forced medical interventions have failed spectacularly at 'ending' covid*. Yes, that includes lockdowns, clearly. In Australia, lockdowns may have worked temporarily, but it was hubris/foolish to expect wide-scale lockdown to be successful over time, or sustainable. In any event, the key point with all these govt interventions is proportionality, or lack thereof. As in: were ANY of these measures/mandates proportional, or reasonable relative to actual risk to the majority? Of course not.

*coronaviruses don't 'end', of course, which is why 'Zero Covid' -- if ever earnest -- was destined for failure.

Focused mitigation on more at-risk populations -- essentially most of the recommendations of the Great Barrington Declaration -- would have no doubt led to far less death, suffering, and overall harms to physical/mental/economical well-being.

More pointedly, if the fucking governments did absolutely nothing at all -- and importantly, if the fucking media simply didn't report on covid at all, or at least kept reporting in-line with prior flu/influenza outbreaks -- millions of lives and livelihoods would have been spared. Doctors would have more broadly applied treatments as deemed fit, EARLY TREATMENT PROTOCOLS AND/OR OFF-LABEL REGIMENS would have been doled out without suppression, and the world would have carried on with our livelihoods/mental health/human rights intact, and with far less loss of life.

But govt policies Re: Covid aren't about human well-being. Surely we all see that now?

Going back to my initial paragraph:

All federal/govt-imposed policies/mandates and forced medical interventions have failed spectacularly at 'ending' covid.

Perhaps more precisely, given what we now know: All federal/govt-imposed policies/mandates have succeeded, spectacularly, at initiating a 'paradigm shift' towards the next industrial revolution.

Explored further here:

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=42182&p=692195&hilit=blockchain#p692195


Last point, regarding this question:

I spend alot of time questioning what I think on the basis of "am I being a useful idiot for someone else's agenda?"

Indeed. We are all susceptible to it.

The below piece raises some interesting considerations. It also references an individual I -- and others -- have quoted many times in this (and other) threads.

EDIT: placed the below portion in brackets as it's a pedantic ramble already well-understood by the readership here --

[Liimited hangouts/controlled opposition, among other tricks of the trade, remain very much in play, perhaps now more than ever.

This is not to say there isn't value in the information shared in limited hangouts. Once again, it comes down to our own filtering mechanisms. What do we accept as valuable, and what do we discard as potential poisoned wells?

All of this remains TBD, or rather, will likely not result in near-term resolution. Still, we remain vigilant.]


*qualifier: I am not indicating, definitively, that Dr. Malone is limited hangout. Simply indicating it can't be ruled out.

https://pieceofmindful.com/2021/12/31/2 ... of-spions/

Excerpt:

On December 21, 2021, it was reported by Defense One that a new universal COVID injectable treatment was developed — based on a Spike Ferritin Nanoparticle platform. The Walter Reed Army Institute of Research claims their vaccine platform will “work against not just the existing strain but all of its potential variants as well.” This process of vaccine delivery has been referred to as magnetofection. On that very same day, it was also reported that DARPA-funded carbon nanotechnologist extraordinaire (with alleged ties to Wuhan), Charles Lieber, was found guilty (convicted by a jury) of lying about having Chinese government ties. Did that signify an end to a particular element of the COVID operation? Was this indicative of the induction of a new element — perhaps iron? Was there a switcheroo from C to Fe?

I also wonder why both the aforementioned news events were announced on the winter solstice. Does this infer some occult significance? After all, Lieber was initially arrested on January 28, 2020, and the concept of ferritin nanoparticle vaccines had been circulating for some time — even going back to 2018 (pre-COVID era). Furthermore, there was a related patent issued on September 29, 2020 to Jeffrey Friedman (of Rockefeller University) and his colleague, Sarah Stanley. Their invention entails a method for modulating cell activity remotely using ferritin nanoparticles. Accordingly, radio frequency waves excite nanoparticles using a technique called Nanoparticle Induced Circuit Excitation (NICE). If this sounds familiar to readers, it is because it may harken back to Lieber’s external electromagnetic control of syringe-injectable nanowire mesh systems — which I highlighted in the references at the end of my “Confessions of an Engineered Nanoparticle” in April 2021.

The most intriguing cherry on top of this external electromagnetic control narrative, however, is a particular character who is deeply embedded at the intersection of mRNA vaccine development, respiratory transfection, repurposed drugs (see #11 and #15 here), and genetic manipulation via external pulsed electrical fields — AKA in vivo electroporation (see Endnote 1). This person of interest is Robert W. Malone. Apparently, he was suspended from Twitter on December 29, 2021, and had more than 520,000 followers. At the time of this writing, it has been reported that Malone was interviewed by Joe Rogan (on December 30, 2021). Although this is all the buzz in both the mainstream and alternative media, the interview has not yet been released to the public, but Malone did offer a brief prepared statement.

So, how did Malone ascend from his BARDA-backed, militarized initiatives (authorized with DoD secret clearance) to being propped up as a central voice of COVID-vaccine skepticism? These are, indeed, strange (and manipulated?) times we live in.

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One other noteworthy item:

https://www.health.gov.au/initiatives-a ... ims-scheme

COVID-19 vaccine claims scheme
The Australian Government is developing a claims scheme to reimburse people who suffer a moderate to significant impact following an adverse reaction to an approved COVID-19 vaccine.

[stickdog99]

[stickdog99]

Really?

Joe has a much better grasp of science than you do. Do not mean to hurt your feelings or question your motive. Obvious you spend lots of time at this.

LOL. I teach doctors. What do you do?

What do you teach them?






What are you saying "Really" to?

You want to post that much data and expect it to be assessed in a twitter post?

How can you post that much info and not expect it to be taken apart bit by bit?

How else can we do it?

Its unreasonable to present so much info and have it all interconnected like that. Its a form of brainwashing. There is too much complexity to follow the article without a flow chart. So unless you have one and Fisk the fuck out of it its impossible to keep an accurate track of the claims and counter claims. They blend into a mishmash of things that seem to hold each other up by the bootstraps but don't necessarily.

That article should be four separate posts, each building an argument that complements the others and a fifth article drawing them together ... and it would be if its purpose was education not obfuscation. But if its that clear and concise the flaws in the reasoning will stand out.

The longer it takes for someone to make their point the more likely it is that they are talking shit.

Anyway it looks like he is wrong. Data from South Africa is showing that protection (against serious illness) from previous infection or vaccination is still strong and dependent on t and b cell responses (that in some cases were a response to the original "wild type" (lol) infections) not humeral immunity and immediate antibody responses.

Despite the 30+ mutations on the spike protein between the original strain and Omni-con.

I teach medical school students critical reading, critical thinking, scientific reasoning, psychology, sociology, and occasionally public health. That's what I do for a living. What do you do, Joe?

Here's what I meant by "really".

Is it really your actual first response to the entire Ruechel thesis to try to dilute its impact by nitpicking at every single claim in it before you even finished reading it? Really? Is the cognitive dissonance so great that you felt the need nitpick it line by line before even finishing the article? Really?

[stickdog99]

Really?

Joe has a much better grasp of science than you do. Do not mean to hurt your feelings or question your motive. Obvious you spend lots of time at this.

LOL. I teach doctors. What do you do?

Absolutely nothing. Retreated to the mountains I call home in 2003 and have seldom left since. Did not see a chain store nor a stop light between late 2013 and November 2017.

December 2017 found out had non-Hodgkin's lymphoma, been traveling to Humboldt Bay since for chemo, surgery, and other treatment; had another surgery near Sacramento in early 2020.

Have a hard time thinking you teach doctors given what you post at RI.

I am well educated and did work within or with the science community.

Well, I assure you that I do. Exactly why do you have a hard time believing that?

[stickdog99]

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[drstrangelove]

I am not indicating, definitively, that Dr. Malone is limited hangout. Simply indicating it can't be ruled out.

he has some kind of institutional backing, my guess would be, as he quite openly states, the US department of defence. it's not as if all the various power structures are on board with the world economic forum plans. in fact I'd imagine that legacy intelligence agencies like the CIA, which Malone openly admits he has contacts with, are somewhat opposed to having their power usurped by data surviellance agencies like the NSA who will benefit greatly from a social credit score society. though it's not worth trying to unpack any of this, all conjecture.

regardless, Malone is a valuable public figure in the current climate.

[Belligerent Savant]

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Yes, a valuable public figure with worthwhile information to share.
None of which precludes the possibility he's limited hangout, but as you indicate, we can only speculate with the relatively limited intel we have.

If there's a place for a measure of speculation, it's here.

[alloneword]

The full interview is available here, if anyone's interested. All 3 hours of it.

[drstrangelove]

it makes sense that the power structures opposed to a new internationalist world order would be those military industrial complex ones that feed off the nationalist fervour that comes from the cultural division of nations. if you go around the world, the primary political opposition to the new normal in each country is some kind of nationalist political movement.

in Australia it's the United Australia Party funded by one of our mining billionaires, Clive Palmer. Who just so happens to be gung-ho for war with China. UAP is gaining a lot of support as no other party is challenging it as an alternative populist movement. Problem is, they will eventually churn all this support into a very dangerous hawkish foreign policy platform.

in theory the Klaus Shwab's, Henry Kissinger's, Zbigniew Brzezinski's are right. there does need to be some sort of robust internationalist order to mediate arms control in a post nuclear world. But this has been known for a while, and the solution they appear to have settled upon in 1970s, is just so pernicious and corrupt that it's worth rolling the dice to pass on, for something better.

they are playing dialectics and wish to settle in the interim for a new normal somewhere between what we had in 2019 and what they have outlined in the extreme plans they publicise through the World Economic Forum. My guess would be they will relax the covid restrictions but keep the infrastructure so it can become institutionalised. An example of this gradualist strategy is playing out in my state of Victoria.

Victoria's leader Dan Andrews is signed up to the Rockefeller resilient cities program. We have a new Center for Resilience (quarantine camp). Our restrictions have been relaxed for now, but the vaccine passports and pandemic legislation which has been passed remains, only dormant. We still have a public servant with the title "Covid Commander", a young British technocrat from the London School of Economics, which of course ties into that other RI thread on the Fabians and Labor Party.